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that is all the time i have for today. i'll see you back here next weekend at 6:00 p.m. for american "american voices." for now, i hand it over to mehdi hasan, who i been told not to mention football to. mehdi? >> but you just did, didn't you? we'll be talking about it. i'm going to be a big boy. we're going to be talking about it tonight on the show, england's defeat. >> you're very strong. >> very strong. have a great rest of your sunday. see you later. tonight on "the mehdi hasan show," the gop continues to attack the right to vote. biden is set to give a big speech on tuesday. what he is prepared to do? i'll ask the white house press secretary jen psaki. and the gop's other obsession, the fake moral panic over critical race theory.
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as pfizer makes moves to approve a covid booster vaccine, u.s. health officials are pushing back. an epidemiologist will weigh in. and england doesn't come out on top. painfully. but tonight's soccer match is one for the books. i'll share my thoughts on why england making it to the 2020 final of the euros may help redefine what it means to be english, what patriotism means. good evening. there are two words to every american concerned about the future of our democracy should be aware of, election subversion. that is the biggest threat we face. yes, the assault on vote rights is a huge problem. as we documented on this show, week in and week out. and, yes, the myriad and grotesque ways in which local republicans are perfecting the art of voter suppression. it is a massive threat to our democracy and to racial equality. but the biggest threat of all,
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one perhaps shamefully underdiscussed in our politics and media so far is the threat of election subversion. to quote an election expert, it's trying to manipulate the rules for who counts the votes in a way that could allow for a partisan official to declare the loser as a winner. in a new essay for the atlantic which i urge you to read, political scientists authors of the acclaimed and rather relevant book how democracies die, issued this stark, blunt, hair raising warning --
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they'll subvert the election in 2024. in fact, many of the laws the gop are passing at a state level right now will help them do that in three years' time. "the new york times" reported, in georgia, republicans are removing democrats of color from local boards. in arkansas, they stripped election control from county authorities. the republican secretary of state in georgia who stood up to trump has had his powers taken away by the gop controlled state legislature. the republican secretary of state in nevada, who defended the result in that state for biden has since been censured by her own party. one recent study found that 216 bills across the country are being introduced that allow legislators to politicize, criminalize, or interfere with elections. 24 of them have already been passed into law. it's not about relitigating the 2020 election for president trump.
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it's about getting ready to successfully subvert the 2024 election. and by the way, every day it looks more and more likely that it will be trump running in 2024. he just took 70% in cpac straw poll tonight. this is, of course, the same candidate that tried to subvert the last election. as they point out in the atlantic, the 2020 election was in effect a dress rehearsal for what might lie ahead. adding that in 2018 when they wrote their landmark study, we did not consider the gop to be an anti-democratic party. four years later, however, the bulk of the republican party is acting in an anti-democratic manner. the bulk. so what are the republican party opponents, the democrats in it control of the white house and both chambers of congress. what are they doing about it? i mean, yes, there is the for the people act and the john lewis voting rights act. neither of them set standards to protect election officials and election results from parties and manipulation.
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plus, the for the people act died in the senate last month because of the filibuster. some democrats in congress have introduced the preventing election subversion act. but we don't hear much about it. and the republicans can just use the filibuster to kill it. what is the leader of the democratic party, the most powerful man due on earth, what is joe biden doing about all this? he has talked the talk on democracy. >> this is jim crow on steroids what they're doing in georgia and 40 other states. it's an atrocity. the idea -- if you want any indication that has nothing to do with fairness, nothing to do with decency, they pass a law saying you can't provide water for people standing in line? while they're waiting to vote? you don't need anything else to know this is nothing but punitive design to keep people from voting. you can't provide water for people about to vote.
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give me a break. before god and all of you, i give you my word, i will always level with you. i will defend the constitution. i'll defend our democracy. i'll defend america. >> but can he walk the walk? this coming tuesday the president will give a speech, yes, a speech, in philadelphia on actions to protect the sacred constitutional right to vote. but will it include a proposal for election subversion? and aren't we running out of time on all this? given our democracy is at stake. who better to ask than the president's white house press secretary jen psaki and she joins me now. thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> thanks. >> you know very well i wasn't
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always a huge fan of your boss. yet praised a lot of what he has done in office on covid-19, on the american rescue plan. this past week on monopolies, all good stuff. but i feel like on the big voting rights picture, the end but not the means. where the hell is the president on voting rights? he's being totally mia. and he hasn't used his bully pulpit. jen, make the case for why i'm wrong and why others are wrong? >> well, first, thank you for doing everything do you in raising this issue. and hold us accountable, everyone accountability who is not doing enough. this is going to be a fight and a cause of his presidency. he said that and we have to deliver on. he's giving a speech in pennsylvania on tuesday. because he thinks we need to keep talking about the fact that these legislation, these laws
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putting into place in states across the country are based on the big lie. you talk about that, i talk about that. everyone doesn't know that across the country. he's also going to talk about steps he has taken. he signed a historic executive order on the anniversary of selma. the 56th anniversary. it was more expansive in terms of executive actions than any president in history. he also nominated and fought for the confirmation of two huge advocates. also merrick garland who has taken steps to fight these laws around the country. he's going to keep fighting for the for the people act. he's going to keep talking about this as president and empower the american people. he's goes to keep talking about this. he's also going to empower the american people. he believes in the american people and in our democracy and what we can do to fight against these laws. >> so what kind of actions, jen, can we see the president call for on tuesday in philly? is he addressing the issue of election subversion? interfering in vote counting and
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election certification? >> he thinks that's one of the big issues. if you can overturn or change the outcome of an election, that is something that people across the country should be aware of. he's also going to talk about his effort to getting the for the people act passed. now, remember, 2020 election, that was a tough one, right? there was a lot of sketchy fights against that. none of them worked. more people voted than ever in history. he also wants people to know and gauge and empower them to fight against this not just 2024. i know you were talking about. but 2022 as well. we need to have our eyes open there as well. >> yes. good point. the mid terms as well. jen, it's been four months, four
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months since joe biden said said this about reforming the filibuster. have a listen. >> so you're for that reform? bringing back the talking filibuster? >> i am. that's what it was supposed to be. >> but four months later, there's been no movement at all on filibuster reform from this white house. none. why not,the biggest block to the president's agenda? the biggest block to voting reform. the for the people act which you twice tonight said he wants to get passed into law. died in the senate last month because of the filibuster. >> well, i'm -- i'm not going to accept that it died. we're still fighting for it. the vice president is going to help lead this effort. and the president is going to be engaged in this effort. we're going to continue to do hard things from the white house. look, i will say he still supports the talking filibuster. still thinks it shouldn't be easy to filibuster legislation. we also recognize and he knows as somebody that served in the senate for 36 years this is a senate procedural process. not one he gets a vote on.
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an important one. one that warrants debate. it may change the minds of the people in the senate. we'll see. but it requires the majority of the senate to change the filibuster rules. it's not something that the president actually gets a vote on. >> but as you well know, jen, better than me, i'm sure, previous presidents exerted pressure on ledge lar fors, and democrats want the president to take a lead. jim clyburn, the most senior african-american democrat in congress, who helped put joe biden in the white house, he told politico yesterday that biden should endorse the idea of a legislative carveout to the filibuster for all constitutional and voting related bills. jen, will the president just do it? >> i don't think it's that easy. i will tell you. first of all, it requires the
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majority of senators, yes, we focus a lot on senator manchin and a couple others out there. it is more than the members that oppose changes to the filibuster. we'll see what happens. it's up to them to determine if they're going to make changes. but the president's going to continue to fight, of course, for a legislative path. but he also believes there are other tools. many that he already employed and will will continue to build on. executive actions. obviously the department of justice and the steps they've taken. but he also just won an election and gauged and empowered, educated people across the country. we want to build on that as well. that is also something he is going to continue to talk about and engage grassroots groups and organizations across the country to fight this fight. >> you mention other tools. would you include budget reconciliation about senator amy klobuchar mentioned it. jim clyburn said the same thing. would you rule out using budget
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reconciliation for democracy related action? >> i'm not here to rule anything out. as it relates to budget reconciliation. there is going to be a lot of work done over the next week or two as you know. writing that piece of legislation, having discussions between democrats on what they want to see included in there, what their priorities are. we'll see how that all plays out. >> when joe manchin and kirsten sinema oppose changing the filibuster because they believe everything should be done in a bipartisan way, even though republicans are getting rid of voting rights in a very partisan way, they're wrong about that, right? i just want to confirm the president does not share their view that reforming the filibuster or protecting voting rights needs a republican buy in. >> well, first i would say the president has never advocated for changing the filibuster. he said he's -- he supports changing to a talking filibuster. he believes though that voting rights is a fundamental right,
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something he wants to sign into law and pass into law. so, yes, of course, he's going to have discussions with democrats. some you mentioned. many others about their priorities, how can they work with them to move the agenda forward. but it is also a legislative procedural process. one that democrats in the senate and the senate, members of the senate have to decide if they want to approach moving forward. >> okay. i understand that. democratic members of the senate. he doesn't think republicans should have a veto, the same party that is gutting voting rights shouldn't have a veto on how it is protected the federal level. i want to check the white house position. >> on the voting rights legislation? which piece are you asking me about here? he believes that there needs to be a majority that they want to change. if they want to change the filibuster in the senate, there is a process for that. they will sl to -- they will have to decide. you mention some of the senators and the position. there are members of senate have also said that obstruction
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becomes more difficult, we'll see how the conversation changes in the senate. >> okay. just -- i want to change gears. lots more to discuss before i let you go. on friday, the president put out an ambitious executive order on combatting monopolies, reforming capitalism, which impressed many people on the left. but progressives are waiting to see how the white house and the size of the budget reconciliation bill. will it be closer to bernie sanders' $5 to $6 trillion or joe manchin's $2 trillion. which figure is the president leading towards, bernie's or manchin's? >> that's quite a choice you laid out there. i'm not here to provide a number. i can tell you that what the president will fight for, components of the bill that were not in the infrastructure bipartisan agreement. so climate tax credits that were not included in there. a climate core that can help fight across the country the climate crisis. addition aal issues that will
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make housing more affordable across the country, making access to community college free, paid leave, huge priorities that lots of democrats and even republicans support. so those will be the pieces he really fights for. this is going to be a big week ahead. two weeks ago everybody was saying his agenda was dead. now the leader of the senate is saying he's going to vote on both pieces of legislation. hopefully this july. so we're moving forward and it's going to be a big couple of weeks ahead. will we'll see where the final package lands out. >> and a big couple of weeks on the foreign policy stage, as well. he's wrapping up the war in afghanistan. good thing. today we've seen for cuba and there are protesters on the streets. they're calling for freedom, lack of food and medicines and the state of the economy. what is the u.s. government's advice, if any, to the cuban government on how to hand this
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will? >> first, i would say our beef has never been with the cuban people. we have long supported humanitarian assistance. i don't know that the government is waiting for our advice from the united states. but certainly we would say that protecting for, standing up for people making sure they have health assistance, food, water. that is something that any government should be providing to anybody today. it's a humanitarian and fundamental right. >> yes. i think people will be happy to hear u.s. government talk about human rights. happy to see the u.s. government pulling out of an endless war in afghanistan. also this week, you just had a saudi prince welcomed to d.c. by the state department, who the cia says was the guy who told jamal shashogi that was
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murdered. >> we want to bring peace and stability to the middle east. we never hold back our voice on injustices, on media freedoms around the world. and we don't hold back with saudi arabia. >> general psaki, there's so much more i want to talk to you about. thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> thank you very much. and sorry for your team. i know it was a rough afternoon. >> it's painful. everyone keeps bringing it up. >> i really hit a hard spot. thanks so much. >> thank you. so what exactly are conservatives hoping to accomplish with their bizarre fix asian on american teachers? i'll ask a democratic congresswoman that very reason. she was named the national
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teacher to have year in 2016. and also later, leaving afghanistan. what did america's longest war actually achieve? that's coming up. first, we'll have breaking news. hello, corey. >> we have breaking news out of cuba tonight. thousands of people have gathered to call for an end to decades old dictatorship and demand food and vaccines. people from san antonio took to the streets to demonstrate, as chants of "freedom," "down can communism" could be heard from the crowd. activists called on cubans to gather in old havana to protest the island's authoritarian regime. he went on a hunger strike earlier this year to gain international attention for civil liberties before being removed from his home and hospitalized. we will keep an eye on this developing story.
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back in the day, it was creeping sharia law. then there were the death panels. the latest targets of the dishonest conservative culture wars are our schools and our teachers, because they're spreading anti-white racism to our kids in the form of critical race theory. they're not. it's all a lie. but it hasn't stopped it from becoming a hot butt oon issue on a right or tucker carlson from saying stuff like this. >> it's civilization ending poison. but it's everywhere. how widespread is it? we can't be sure, until we finally get cameras in the classroom as we put them on the chests of police officers. >> treating our kids in elementary schools like victims of police brutality. and sadly, this goes far beyond tucker and fox.
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in virginia, we've seen arrests after protests from conservative parents erupted at the school board meeting over the nonexistent teaching of critical race theory. in tennessee, a high school teacher was just fired after teaching an essay about white privilege. also in tennessee, parents claiming the book and civil rights classic ruby bridges goes to school, they protested that being included because it was anti-american. and this isn't just about isolated extreme incidents. look at all the states that have introduced legislation to combat the teaching of critical race theory. joining me now is a member of the house committee on education and labor and was also the 2016 national teacher to have year. congresswoman, thanks for coming on the show tonight. you were a social studies teacher at john f. kennedy high school in waterbury for 11 years. you taught world history, u.s. history, civics,
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african-american history. today, you might be accused of brainwashing your pupils. you might be accused of anti-white racism. you might have your job threatened. >> you're absolutely right. thanks for having me. as i was listening to your intro, this is bizarre is the only way to describe it. these are the same people who, for the last year, said our children need to get back in school in front of their teachers. and now they're questioning what is taught many those schools. we are a country -- you're right, i was a history teacher. our history is a timeline. some parts of that are incredibly painful. you cannot teach about the civil war without teaching about slavery in the south. you can't teach about the civil rights movement without teaching about some of the, you know, jim crow laws and that era. you use primary sourced documents. you don't inject your biles or your opinions, and you present kids with all of the information. that's not critical race theory. that is our history.
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i can't imagine how we would teach any part of our history and leave large gaps out. when i taught world history, i had to teach about the reformation. i had to teach about different groups of people who were discriminated against. that's just part of the story of history. so i'm not really sure -- i don't understand how you would teach and take out these large gaps. the idea of critical race theory, that's academic scholarship at the college level, at the point where people can make the decision to deeper dive into these things. >> so congresswoman, you're right 100%, especially about the college level stuff and history becoming propaganda. this is a ratings winner on the right, in right wing media. we can see the number of mentionings on fox news. the gop think this is the ticket to winning back states like virginia. do you think it might work?
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because democrats are off focused on policy and republicans are busy winning culture wars. >> this is the new border wall. this is why we need people at the state and local level. congress has nothing to do -- we have no input in how curriculum is taught and what materials are used. this is why we need to make sure that we have all voices at the table to evaluate and decide what is taught. i heard you talk about the teacher who had an essay included in his curriculum. no teacher should be able to choose what resources they use. but there should be some weigh-in from community members to say i would like to use this document or this piece of information, and have it included in our curriculum, so we have a wide variety of perspectives. that's what any good history teacher does. you know, a good teacher has an
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open door policy. observations have been a part of teacher evaluations for years, where principals can walk in. there's nothing to hide in our classrooms. so i don't know what else to call it, except bizarre that republicans are using this as a tactic after everything teachers have gone through to make sure our kids had a solid education in the last year and a half. >> and after telling the rest of us not to be snowflakes, they're so thin skinned now. the conservative political action conference is taking place this weekend in a three-day schedule. there are two separate panels on the war against critical race theory. president trump has joined in the fight. have a listen. >> we will completely defund and bar critical race theory. 1776, not 1619. and if government-run schools
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are going to teach children to hate their country, we will demand school choice, and we already have that. >> trump won the straw poll at cpac. how concerned are you with this candidate, who still won't admit he lost the last one and is now backed by a gop that is as unhinged as he is? >> the american people overwhelmingly elected joe biden for president in november, and since the day he got sworn in, he has been working to deliver relief for the american people. the fact that the republicans -- this is the mess an they want to put out to the rest of the country, and this is, i guess their standard bearer. that's their message. i think that the democratic message is very different. we're not campaigning. we are legislating and working to deliver relief to people. we just have to make sure that we are messaging that, and people have a true appreciation for what we have done. we want to make sure our schools
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are supported, that they have the resources that they need, and that our children get the highest quality education. this gaslighting is -- and it has been effective. that's the dangerous part of it. his gaslighting has been effective, as we have seen, you know, across the board in local elections and state elections and congressional elections. he has been effective. so we have to remind people of what we have done and be as transparent as we can. >> i apologize for interrupting, congresswoman. we're out of time. but i want to give you an opportunity, because i know you're sponsoring a bill to improve kid's meals and life chances in school. we only have 30 seconds left, but i want you to mention that bill tonight. >> well, the care for kids act allows guardians, foster parents, grand parents, to make sure kids in their care can receive school meals without having to recertify every year.
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i have lots of legislation to support educators and the work that they are doing in the classroom, and i think that's what we've been focused on. that's what democrats have been doing while our congressional republicans are at cpac promoting their theorys. >> well said. congresswoman, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you for having me. america's longest war is coming to an end, which leads me to one simple question -- should america have been involved in the first place? i'll share my perspective in the 60 second rant, coming up next. don't go away. ng up next don't go away. e you using liberty mutual's coverage customizer tool? so you only pay for what you need. sorry? limu, you're an animal! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean is now helping the places you go every day too. seek a commitment to clean. look for the ecolab science certified seal. the delta variant is now the dominant strain of the coronavirus in the united states. the cdc says it may account for 80% of new covid cases in part of the midwest and upper mountain states. people under 50 now account for most new infections. you can take a look at these two maps. covid cases are surging in counties where less than 40% of people are vaccinated. let's discuss this with an infectious disease epidemiologist in new york. thank you for coming back on the show. how concerned are you about the delta variant, given the huge
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pockets of unvaccinated people in this country? >> very concerned. what we have here in the united states is two sprait types of pandemics. one, where the vaccinated population, which are largely protected with getting a full does of the covid-19 vaccine. and then you have a separate unvaccinated population that is at risk for infection. so they're essentially playing russian roulette. so either they will get infected with covid-19 naturally and suffer hospitalization and death and long covid. and so it's one of those thing where is we make sure as many people get vaccinated as possible with the delta variability making up over 50% of the cases throughout the united states. >> yep. so what is the significance of the fact that people under 50 are now making upmost new infections, has the variant changed the nature or the threat from this virus making it more lethal to people? >> what we know about the delta variant is it's up to three
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times more transmissible than the original strain that came out of china, if you will. so we are still collecting data on whether it's causing more sever illness or hospitalization. so what we do know is that the variant that's spreading right now in the united states, the delta variant, many of the individuals that are hospitalized, over 99% that have died are because of being unvaccinaterd. so that just goes to show you while the variability is spreading throughout the united states, those that are vaitd still remain protected. >> that is good to hear. yet on thursday pfizer announced they're developing a version that targets delta. a booster for delta. that news was not well received by some scientists, including dr. fauci, who said wait for the cdc and fda to say whether we need it. what is your position on the booster, do we need one or pfizer trying to make more money? >> well, i think there's a
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multiple of conversations when it comes to the need for boosters. first, it's the need for those that are immuno compromised. so that's a separate conversation. for the general public, there is no need for a booster shot, given all three vaccines are holding up very well to all the circulating variants. certainly maybe down the road as we see things waning over time, we may need a booster. so it's good to have it as an option. right now, it's too early to say that we need a booster for the general population. >> last quick question, in l.a. county, they talked about bringing back masks, even for vaccinated people in mississippi. they talked about elderly people avoiding indoor gatherings. at what point do we have to
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rethink this because of delta? >> it depends on your local context. here in the state of new york, we still have a variant, we have a population that is highly vaccinated, but we're seeing communities and pockets that are unvaccinated that you're seeing an uptick of cases. so when there are high rates of infections, when you're indoors or large gatherings, it's good to have a mask, especially if you have underlying health conditions. i think the last thing, we have over a thousand counties in the united states that have less than 30% vaccination rates. so you definitely want to find out what's happening there and prepare accordingly if you're going there. >> absolutely crazy, those rates. thank you for your insights. >> thanks for having me on. next, why england falling just short in the euro 2020 championship, could still be seen as a good thing for the
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they lost in the european championships today in london in the final to italy, in a penalty shootout. again. but, look, this was a team that may not have triumphed on the pitch, but off the pitch, they are winners. they are unifiers. they are role models, inspirations. right now, post brexit england as a country needs a football team like this one, and not just for its soccer skills, as british journalist wrote in the atlantic last week. at a time when england continues to grapple with its national identity and what it represents, the england team has raid out its open vision of englishness that is inclusive and progressive. you had the england taking the knee in solidarity with black lives matter. you had the team captain wearing a rainbow arm band in honor of pride month. you had a squad filled with players of colors and kits of immigrants. and seven of the starting 11
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against denmark in the euro 2020 in the semifinal have parents born overseas. this is what it means to be english. regardless of brexit and the rise of the far right back in my home country. look, i grew up there at a time when englishness was seen as an almost alien concept from the people of color, children of immigrants. we were british, yes, but english? hmm, too nationalistic, too belligerent, xeeno phobic. too white. but they're helping to reclaim the flag from the bigots who used to wrap themselves in it. those doing the abusing are a sick minority, let's be clear about that. today, this team has made englishness and patriotism
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itself an idea not that some of us are ashamed of, but that all of us can be proud of. and you know, we'll win the next one. i still believe. next, the uk consul general in new york, as we both watched the game, we also talk covid, immigration, and more. stay tuned. ion, and more. stay tuned with downy infusions, let the scent set the mood. feel the difference with downy. so, you have diabetes, here are some easy rules. no sugar. no pizza. no foods you love. stressed? no stress. exercise. but no days off! easy, no? no. no. no. no. but with freestyle libre 14 day, you can take the mystery out of your diabetes. now you know.
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nothing brings people together like sports, especially big tournaments. it's something we have all felt very keenly during this pandemic. on the international level, national teams like those from england and italy exist as one particular expression of our national identity. we take pride in their victories and suffer when they fall short as england did today. but this team has been remarkable. let's discuss now with hanna young, the acting consul general for the british consulate in new york. thanks, hanna, for coming on the show tonight. it didn't come home. it was a defeat on penalties, again. it feels like my entire life has been watching england lose on penalties. how painful was today for you watching from afar? [ inaudible ]
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>> hanna, i think we're having some audio issues hanna. can't exactly hear you. this isn't a good day for england. any way, we're going try to get your audio fixed and get you back. and see if we can hear you now. >> can you hear me now? >> i can hear you now. it's very clear now. do you want to start again on what today was like? >> i just said i wanted to congratulate italy on their victory. they played a great tournament and it was a fantastic match. england played brilliantly. they have a tremendous manager, and they're a relatively young people, as you know.
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so they have a very bright future ahead of them. >> yeah, i made the mistake of not congratulating italy tonight, but that's the difference between us, you're a diplomat, i'm not. you said they're a young people. but many members of this team are the children and grandchildren of immigrants. so they're being held up as a progressive immigration policy. you serve a government criticized for being anti-immigration. do you think this tournament, this england team, do you think that can change the dynamic and make people more welcoming of immigration and immigrants? >> the uk has a proud history of welcoming immigrants from all corners of the world. we celebrate the diversity that has brought our country and the diverse backgrounds that make up
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our society today. as you say, mehdi, it's a fantastic example of this and something that has truly captured the nation. i don't think there is attention between our immigration policy and what it means to be english or british. our policy is based on skills and talent, the brightest and best what you can bring to the uk. i think that's what we have seen today. we have also witnessed a team that knows what they can do on the master pitch. footballers are role models, and this team has demonstrated how important that impact can be, whether that's standing up for racial equality, standing up for lbgtq rights, supporting children through covid. it's an impressive feat on and off the pitch. >> it is indeed. we're almost out of time, but 60,000 people, over 60,000
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packed into wembley today. that's about 75% capacity, even though all attending had to have proof of vaccination or a negative test. on july 19, the whole world is watching what the uk is going to do, drop all of its covid restrictions. quite a risky experiment there in the middle of the horrific delta wave. we're seeing with a rapid vaccine rollout, is about 68% have had double jabs. but there is relief between the infections and we believe that we're heading in the right direction, no people want to get back to his normal life as possible. but we also know that this is something that we're going to

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