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right direction. we know people want to get back to as normal a life as possible, so we also know that this is something we've had to watch for some time. we want to continue to watch the situation. >> i do hope you're right. it is a big risk. but, anyway, on today's subject, hannah young, thank you for being with us. i hope when we win the world cup, you'll come back and we'll have this conversation again under better circumstances. >> thanks for having me on the show. >> thank you for coming on. thank you all at home for watching. we'll be right back here next sunday, 8:00 p.m. eastern. you can catch me monday through thursday live at 7:00 p.m. on "the choice" streaming at peacock. and now joshua johnson. >> thank you, mehdi.
thousands protested on food and medicine shortages during the pandemic. we'll have the latest there. maybe you watched it here. we had it on msnbc. richard branson made it into space, putting us one step closer into the space travel era. we will be talked through what we witnessed. where does president biden's agenda stand on capitol hill and what are the next steps? congresswoman debbie dingell shares her take, ahead. and we want to share with david rhode. i'm joshua johnson. welcome to the -- "the week." let us begin tonight with a breaking story out of cuba. thousands of people have taken to the streets, denouncing the
government in an unusual act of civil disobedience. they are demanding food and covid-19 vaccines and protesting the islands of dire economic situation. we know of demonstrations in at least five neighborhoods in havana and in the number of towns across the island. police in havana detained a number of protesters in an attempt to control the crowd. pro-government counter-protesters supported the officers, shouting things like, this street belongs fidel. anti-demonstration protesters chanted slogans like "freedom," "down with the tyranny" and "home is life." joining us is laura rodriguez, a reporter with wtrf in miami. we're also joined by the former
congressman in the miami area. laura, let me start with you in southwest florida. i'm guessing you're in little haiti, right near the heart of the cuba community. what is it like there and what has the response been like? >> reporter: that is exactly where i am. this is completely packed, a massive crowd out here. cuban americans and a mix of people, i've seen nicaraguans supporting cubans here. i'm going to pan over so you can look at the scene right now. it has grown over the last few hours. this is not letting up. you can see dozens of cuban flags, many people holding signs saying s.o.s. cuba. also many people holding signs that say -- meaning "human is
life." i would say this started around 2:00, but the crowd has just continued to grow out here. many of the people i've interviewed tell me, really, that they just want to support the cuban people who are protesting on the island and express their solidarity with the cuban people. they say again that they stand with them, and this is a historic moment for the people on the islands, because there has not been a protest of this magnitude in decades. as many of you may know, the cuban government strongly opposes dissent. so there have been specific small groups but never of this magnitude and in so many cities on the island. >> we should note, congressman cordibello, that this has been
since the death of jovenel moise, even though he stepped down a few months ago. they warned that protesters would face a strong response. talk about what's going on in cuba right now and what it means to the folks we see on the ground on gyocho, the situation on the island right now? >> joshua, the last time that there were mass protests like this in cuba was in 1994. fidel castro was still in power. what fidel castro invited angry cubans to do was to leave and come to the united states. this time around, a long time has passed, and fidel castro, of course, is deceased, and no longer is it an option for cubans just to come to the united states the way they used to. the laws that changed here, too. so this creates a far more difficult and complex situation for the cuban regime. people are angry, people are
hungry, people are displeased with the government's response to the pandemic, and they're desperate. they also want to be free. they want the basic human rights that cubans on the island have been denied for over 62 years. this is dramatic and it's really unlike anything we've ever seen in cuba, at least since 1994, but it does seem that these protests are far more extensive than the ones we saw in 1994. everyone will remember that in '94 approximately 40,000 cubans came on rafts to the united states. again, that doesn't seem to be an option this time for the cuban government, so they are going to have to figure out how to handle this situation, and a lot of people in miami think this could be the end of the cuban regime. >> i remember those protests back in '94, and laura, i remember protests exactly where you are that i covered when i was still a reporter there back when they thought fidel castro was dead. people rushing into the streets
almost preemptively where you are, and came back after it was confirmed he actually had died some years later. the city of miami, laura, is almost a character in the story. we heard from francis suarez, who is the city's mayor today and a number of city leaders speaking from miami. talk about the role the city plays in cuba's future, both with an exile community, an immigrant community and a political fear of influence that's still kind of felt on the island. >> reporter: so to your point about fidel castro's death, i covered fidel castro's death, and i have to tell you, it feels very similar, and i would say there are even more people here now. the difference i'm seeing and the reason i think there are more people here is because people actually feel that change might come. there has never, again, been a protest of this magnitude on the island, so people here in miami are pushing out a message,
telling the people in cuba to keep going, keep on fighting the good fight, we stand with you. miami, as you mentioned, is very important. it is the hub of the cuban-american community here in the united states, and mayor francis suarez, as you mentioned, when i was going live for our nbc6 newscast arrived with a chief of police who is also a cuban. he was born in cuba. i asked him -- i wasn't sure if he was cuban-american or born there, and he specified he was born in cuba and they both came there, a very symbolic moment. there was a truck that became a makeshift stage, basically, where politicians, community leaders, just anyone in the crowd was kind of getting up, grabbing the microphone and leading the crowd in chants. and mayor francis suarez was saying, you know, we want freedom for the cuban people, and speaking from there, telling everybody that he stood with them and also was encouraging the people in cuba to continue their fight for freedom. miami definitely a very
important place for the cuban community, and i think that's why there is such a show of support here, to let the cuban people know they are not alone, because they could definitely face a lot of backlash for these protests on the island. >> before we go, carlos, what do you expect in the days and weeks to come both in south florida and perhaps in cuba. i'm sure the cuban government will not let this go unaddressed, but i'm not sure what shape cuba is in now, if there is support for the cuban people if things have come this far. if the protests are that widespread on the island, that kind of courageous against the government, what do you expect to happen next? >> well, joshua, miguel dias canell, the leader that the castro family appointed when fidel castro stepped down, they
asked the revolutionaries to quash these protests. he is currently turning down a civil war in this country so he can remain in power. when i say "he," it's the castro family because that's who he represents. in washington, d.c., this is an opportunity for the biden administration. a foreign policy opportunity, obviously, but also a political opportunity. president biden did not get the support in south florida that hillary clinton got four years before. and this is an opportunity for president biden, his administration, to show solidarity with the cuban people and to show south florida's cuban-american communities and other communities that laura mentioned, in this case waug --
nicaraguans and others who want the same freedoms of many americans. >> i should note we do have protests in tampa, there is a large cuban population. we appreciate gyocho in miami and former congresswoman carlos corbello, appreciate it. today in dallas, former president trump delivered the keynote address at the conservative political action conference, or cpac. he also placed first in possible presidential candidates. meanwhile, crews removed the fencing around the national capitol. a house committee to investigate that attack is still coming together. also the texas state
legislature had a working weekend. the members took up two voting bills. they could get a floor vote by tuesday. the bills were inspired at least partly by the claims of voter fraud that led to the riot on january 6. this week will also be pivotal for the future of president biden's agenda. the senate returns from a two-week recess to continue work on a massive infrastructure overhaul. the president is scheduled to speak on tuesday, pushing for voting rights legislation. but can he make progress on two of capitol hill's most complex and divisive issues? let's discuss all this with democratic congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan. she's a member of the house committee and it includes dearborn. congresswoman, great to be with you. >> thanks for having me approximate. >> can we start with voting rights? i wonder what your thoughts are
for the future of the voting rights bill that's pending. do you think you should push for those pieces of legislation, or might there be an appetite for a narrower bill that sort of coalesces the agreement we have now across the two parties and moves guard with what's feasible at the moment? >> my stance, and i've been home for ten days, and the house will be out for another week. the senate went out a week earlier than we did, is that our leadership and the president of the united states are committed to continue forward on both hr-1 and the john lewis act, which is to really push back against what is happening in the state. i mean, we've seen what's happening in texas, we've seen it in another state. we've already seen what happened in georgia. there are signs of pushback on voting rights, and one of the things that is very disturbing is we've been able to vote by absentee ballot but people are
now being told they have to have a voter i.d. in some way. you know that speaker pelosi has made it very clear that she's going to push forward. people are going to fight to protect the vote in all manners and not let us be divided by fear and hatred and lies, and every person's vote counts in this country. plus people's confidence in their vote. cpac talked about it a minute ago. these lies are just undermining people's confidence, and we've got to push back, period. >> what about on infrastructure? there's been flooding in michigan not too long ago, the last few days and weeks, including an ipsolante you've been vocal about and kind of refer to that as part of the rationale for why we need to
move guard on some kind of infrastructure. i know after the flooding, the condo collapse in surfside, florida, the way we talk about infrastructure takes on a different tone as opposed to, well, there's human infrastructure and physical infrastructure. but how do you think this factors into the debate over what congress should be working on right now? >> so when we return, we've got to deal with infrastructure. we have a bipartisan infrastructure agreement, but there are other issues that have to be discussed, and i think that we have no choice but to do that. you were just showing pictures of what it looked like in michigan, just my hometown of dearborn have already said $12,000 and they believe it will be $18,000 bl you can put that
in the country. unfortunately, people don't often talk about all the wins when you get to washington and we have to fight for it. people across the communities are going to be fighting for these dollars. we have to do something. >> before i let you go, 2500 homes destroyed by flooding. that focuses the mind. >> you should see these 90-year-old women with their lives destroyed, people with no hope. this is a problem we've got to deal with. >> i guess my last question before i have to let you go is for the 90-year-old woman in the
home that's been destroyed by flooding. for her all the pieces of this infrastructure debate are kind of useless, right? the debate on capitol hill is kind of physical infrastructure versus social infrastructure. i hear the argument for the need for both. how do we reconcile that, though? do we go for one bill and in do we go for both of them politically? >> i'm in agreement of both. we -- we need to put all proposals in there. child care. there are too many people in
this country. the waiting list for a long-term fare right now is more than a million people. we have to do something about it. this is a once in a generation opportunity, and we have to do it, both of these. >> congresswoman debbie dinh gel in washington and i appreciate you making time tonight. thanks very much. up next, what can virt engine galactic month tell us about the future of space travel. dr. jason rowe. hey, joshua, thanking you. today we learned that 90 poechl, including three young children that have been confirmed dead in the condo collapses. more than 30 people remain
3, 2, 1, release, release, release. clean release. >> with that the spacecraft rocketed forward. richard branson touched space and went down cleanly. they experienced about four minutes of weightlessness at an altitude of 50 miles before their descent. sir richard branson spoke about his experience after returning to earth. >> like most kids, i have dreamt of this moment since i was a kid, and honestly, nothing could prepare you for the view of earth from space. the whole thing was just magical. >> let's discuss it with michael
mossimino. he's a retired astronaut here in new york. welcome to the program. >> thank you for having me, joshua. >> i did not expect this flight to be quite so moving for me. i was very, very emotional with the whole thing. i was just kind of gobsmacked and i was a little kid growing up in florida looking at the contrails of space in florida all over again when this happened. what was your opinion of the brief flight and the safe landing? >> joshua, it was similar for me as well. for me i had the dream of flying in space as a little boy, and the path that i sought out was to become a nasa astronaut and go through that whole selection and schooling required and all that. i think this gives people with that same dream who don't have the opportunity or qualifications or whatever it might be, they can still go to space and experience it or
research it and somehow make a difference in their lives and other people's lives, and hopefully more dreams will be able to come true after what we saw today. >> this is not used to what we're seeing in the movies where you're kind of blown back and everything. this was designed, at least as the crew at virgin galactic discussed it, to be more smooth, where you feel a ramping up of the pressure, where you're kind of able to move about the cabin, as it were, in the middle of the flight and make it a little more accessible for everyday people who have never been spun around in a centrifuge. >> absolutely. it seems like a very comfortable ride. it takes off from a runway and lands on a runway which makes it, in some ways, more difficult and technologically challenging to do that, but it gives us more options. i think we might see travel like this from one airport another and traveling different in other
parts of the world, so i think it opens up many possibilities that hopefully richard branson has thought about it and we'll see it happen in the next few years. >> what about the whole boys' club aspect of this? i saw some snarky conversations online in response to mike lee over this, saying that we should use this money to feed the homeless, this is just a spitting match between two billionaires, why is this a big deal, this is the wrong thing to get excited about. on one hand i understand it. on the other hand, i worked in a building built by a billionaire who never had and this in mind for a broadband network to be here, and yet here i am. so i sort of understand the developments on this mission, but how do you see it?
>> i don't disagree with anyone saying these things, like we've got big problems in the world we should be spending more money on. but i do think there is somewhat of a balance between our current problems and also looking to things that are inspirational and about the future. and that's the way i've always felt about the space program. is it more important than feeding people or providing housing? no. but it is certainly worth, i think, a little bit of money to put it away as far as what you would put away in your own budget at home and what we do as a country for the future. and that's how i see this. i see this as an investment in the future that can open up opportunities we can't even imagine right now. opening up the opportunities for people to go to space, to do experiments or research, making it more accessible beyond what the government can do. that's where i see this privatization. yes, rich guys are doing it right now, but i think the price will go down. they'll run out of billionaires eventually that will want to do
this, so the price will have to come down so more and more people can participate. >> briefly, before i have to let you go, what should we be looking to with jeff bezos' flight later this month? it will be a little different in terms of the spacecraft. >> this one is a little more traditional. it's not going to land on a runway. it's going to go up there like alex shepard did, experience some weightlessness and come down in a parachute. a different experience but just as meaningful, and i'm really looking forward to that one. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. what will become of the afghan interpreters who risk their lives alongside america's troops? that's next.
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is. i'm proud of the american people to stick by this mission for 20 years. we still have troops in kosovo, but it worked. the taliban have outlasted the will of the united states. >> that is adam kinzinger, an air force veteran that served in afghanistan. more than 90%, 9-0 percent, of u.s. personnel have already departed. but as american troops without the taliban are moving in on the of the afghan government. they have seized about 120 militants. david rohde is author of "in
deep." david rohde, welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to hear your reaction to the way this troop pullout is going. you were kidnapped by the taliban in 2008, forced to hike from afghanistan to pakistan and then held for more than seven months. i can only imagine what all of this means to you. >> well, it's understandable the exhaustion of americans, and i understand why president biden wants to pull out u.s. forces, but one of the reasons that the u.s. has struggled so much is the fact that pakistan has allowed the taliban to have a safe haven, and that's where i was held captive for seven months. when you have these big surges of american troops, the taliban would simply withdraw over the border into the mountains of afghanistan where i was held captive. there have been mistakes by the afghan government, there's been corruption that's a problem, but the second biggest factor is
pakistan and the taliban. it's an unending war, but that's what i think of personally as i watch this unfold. >> i wonder on a more human visceral level, i'm guessing -- maybe not, but i'm guessing that there's some part of you that after what you went through is looking at the troop pullout and the taliban's resurgence and thinking, this is it? like, these guys kidnapped me, held me for seven months and we're walking away and they're about to get what they've been looking for all along? what the hell? there has to be a part of you that doesn't want this to happen. >> you're asking the question in the right way. tens of thousands of afghans have died fighting the taliban. thousands of americans have died fighting the taliban. i was kidnapped for seven months. so there is a real sense of,
yes, personal frustration, and there is a human element to that. an afghan journalist who was kidnapped with me, he helped me escape from captivity. you know, he's now in the united states. he's a u.s. citizen. he is panicked about his family. he's got children, his wife are still in afghanistan. his name is tyhir, and he cannot get them to the united states. with the visa process, there are so many afghans trying to get out now, the visa process is so backlogged that an african-american u.s. citizen who saved my life is unable to get his family out of afghanistan now. and that's what frustrated me more, yes, maybe we should withdraw, but it shouldn't be this quick and this hasty. >> what do we have to do to turn that around. in terms of you, in terms of the ones who helped afghan forces, is it just a political will, is
it having the sources, spending the money on it? what aren't we doing? >> i think the u.s. government has to do a mass airlift, a mass evacuation. this is probably what happened at the end of vietnam, large numbers were moved to guam. there is a plan underway to try to get the military translators out, that there would be an airlifted military translators. there is a whole other group of afghans who worked for aid organizations, who worked with journalists like the friend i'm talking about, and they aren't in line to be evacuated, they aren't in line to be considered for visas. so the biden administration, you know, has to make a much larger effort to airlift out the afghan translators who work with the u.s. military, and i think also the tens of thousands of afghans who also worked with the eight aid organizations and american journalists. they are also considered eneies
of the taliban. i get it, 20 years is a long time, but this should be a much more carefully executed plan to get our allies out. >> again, let's watch president biden about the future of afghanistan. >> the afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped, as well equipped as any army in the world, and an air force, against something like 75,000 taliban. it is not inevitable. >> david, before we go, what do you make of that? is a taliban takeover of afghanistan inevitable now? >> i think it's very likely. in the rapid pace of this withdrawal, suddenly pulling american troops out of bagram, the biggest air force base we've had in 20 years, it's bringing down intelligence services. it's how we conduct this that
matters, not as simple as getting out as quickly as possible. >> david rohde, we appreciate you sharing your story and your perspective. thank you very much. euro beat england in the 2020 soccer tournament. a euro with a special soft spot for the usa joins us when we come back. a joins us when we come back. one that's been paved and one that's forever wild. but freedom means you don't have to choose just one adventure. you get both. introducing the wildly civilized all-new 3-row jeep grand cherokee l liberty mutual customizes car insurance introducing the wildly civilized so you only pay for what you need. how much money can liberty mutual save you? one! two! three! four! five!
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without immigration. roger bennett writes in his book, the only thing i regret is i was an english man trapped in an american body. he's author of "reborn in the usa." thank you for being here. >> nice to be with you. >> so this idea of being an englishman inside an american's body, they're like, ew, you should be an american, i'm not
sure you want to be an english englishman. >> he survived with ballet dancing. i didn't have the skills but i somewhat survived in the streets of liverpool where unemployment rates were soaring, there was a massive heroin epidemic in the city that had really lost its mission. i survived by really living through american culture. "fantasy island," "hart to hart," "the love boat," the chicago bears, tracy chapman. it really encouraged me and gave me a sense of hope when there wasn't much hope. when you have that from afar, it gives you life you wouldn't ordinarily have. >> i'm sure gavin mcleod would be glad to know he gave you hope. >> again, when you see someone like "miami vice," you see don
johnson, you see a gentleman singular in style, he's wearing espadrilles and no socks to take on the world, it challenges you. >> england starting 11 players in the match prior to today's, have parents or grandparents been overseas. what is this englishness with the euro? >> unfortunately the team remains the cycle of agony, big dream, shattered dreams. i felt sorry for the england fans. loing on a penalty is such a cruel wave for those who have been in in lockdown and brexit before that. this team, joshua, is a young team. it's a face of young individuals who really represent all that's good about the world, the team
that reinvented what football should be in the world. ten years ago footballers were seen as party-loving, champagne swilling. these guys have reinvented it. they use their platform as a source of good. they talk about lbgtq rights, childhood hunger, mental illness. they almost have become a happy face of the nation, a happy face that i hope comes to be. >> i think you've described sysiphous in cleats. that's a possibility. >> 55 years is going to turn to 56 and they are like charlie brown, perpetually running at a football that lucy is holding.
>> even with that, i think there is a natural trauma of not being able to run the euro and the identity that's wrapped up in soccer around the world, which is sometimes spilled over into acts of hooliganism that have drawn fans, including fans for some england fans during the euro tournament this year, that feels like it's wrapped up in it, too. do you feel like the english want to have this conversation about identity, or it's kind of being forced because of the euro tournament? >> i watch football, particularly national football. what it does is hold up a mirror to the society that surrounds it for good or for bad. this england team have been brave, they've been deeply courageous. their manager is like the last sane human being left in england. if he was prime minister with his emotional intelligence, england would probably beat scandinavia. from the very beginning, they really showed england as a deeply divided nation that they
are after fans booed them when they took them to support anti-racist statements. ultimately football teams are truly just a refraction of the nation that surrounds them, the joy, and it has been an incredible joy watching them. rip your shirts off, throw your beers in the air. it created a unity, a fleeting unity, the illusion of unity, and now tomorrow there will be hangovers and england will still have to deal with the challenges that really faced modern britain before, unfortunately. >> the book is called "reborn in the usa." roger bennett, thank you very much. europe may be hung up on their soccer, but we are also talking about our spelling bees. we need to clarify something
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well, new mexico, in 1968. the spelling bee was held in one of the pts meetings. the white crowd booed me for beating their children. when our teachers were telling us mexican and apache kids that we were not as smart as the anglo kids, i would remember the spelling bee that i won. it would bolster my confidence. suzanne writes, i was an
11-year-old girl in 1960 in rochester, new york. and our schools chose to have a spelling bee and sent the winner to a competition. i won the spelling bee and the boy in our class came in second place. the nut in charge, said because he was a boy he would be able to go to the big competition. i accepted that, and never said a word to anyone, including my parents to this day. about hearing thbt a about this on msnbc yesterday, i told a couple of close girlfriends. but this has always haunted. carol writes, i have one correction to your historical interpretation of zaila's winning of the scripps national spelling bee. however, you missed the actual second black spelling bee champion and the first black scripps winner, that was
12-year-old jody anne maxwell zaila would not be the only second black winner unless you are referring to the scripps contest. she is the first african-american of the skips spelling bee, but a jamaican won in the 1970s. it was accurate to call her black but not african-american. and lillian writes, from 1929 to 1931, i won the county spelling contest held in our four-room schoolhouse. i'm 103 years old now. but i remember it all. here's how it worked. you stood to spell your first word. and as long as you spelled words
directly, you kept standing. if you miss, you had to sit down. the prize was a medal with a blue ribbon attached to it. at 103, thank you for sharing the stories. all of you, we always love to hear from you. stay in touch. we're on twitter and instagram. come on back friday night at 7:00 p.m. eastern, live on peacock. you can sign up for the app free. and on msnbc saturdays, 8:00 to 10:00. sundays, 9:00 to 10:00. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. thanks for making time for us and make it a wonderful week. good night. yes, please! neuriva. think bigger.
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