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there is an en fuego edition coming up soon. ♪♪ good morning, everybody. we begin today with breaking news out of charlottesville, virginia. moments ago the robert e. lee statue that sparked that deadly march back in 2017 removered. four years ago dozens were injured and a woman was killed in that violence. crews are working to remove another statue dedicated to general stonewall jackson. the other big story this morning, the latest round in the fight to protect voting rights in texas. state lawmakers are holding public hearings on restrictive
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voting bills introduced by the republican and the special session called by the republican governor. protesters are encouraged to show up. there's a plan of a counter proposal named after hero barbara jordan. but the truth is texas is just one of many states where republicans are trying to restrict ballot specifically targeting voters of color. civil rights leaders have had it. they met with president biden at the white house this week to press for federal action on voting rights and he is expected to deliver a much anticipated speech on the issue tuesday in philadelphia. joining me now to talk about this and more, texas state representative and vice chair jessica gonzalez and my friend latasha brown co-founder of black voters matter. the special session is happening right now.
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i'm your curious your thoughts on the best path. are democrats prepared to walk out and deny quorum or will democrats stay and fight on the principality of this? >> democrats are ready to defeat the bill and breaking quorum again. we'll use every tool in the tool box. the two big provigs added at the 11th hour that caused us to break quorum are -- [ inaudible ] but still the bill criminalizes behavior that doesn't happen in texas and still suppress people of color. >> absolutely. the thing is that texas is not unique. take a listen to the president of the national urban league to his comments after that meeting with president biden. >> when we look at what's
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happening in this nation, we see an effort to impose a system of american apartheid. you suppress the vote. you elevate the filibuster. you use the electoral college. you use the nullification of the supreme court which just recently undercut the voting rights act. to try to thwart the power of this grand and glorious multicultural nation. >> if there was a batman call, a superman call, a break in the case of emergency box, now's the time. like we have crossed every red line. voter restricting laws are being enacted. i'm just curious, what is your plan as the leader of black
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voters matter and how is your work impacted by these laws? >> thank you for asking. we have to be relentless on this voting rights fight. we have to demand for the people for federal legislation that's going to protect voting rights. we can't organize our way out of this. we cannot literally look at the court system based on the ruling last week. we have to have federal legislation to protect the rights of the voters. we know it's targeted to black and brown voters. we know what we see in 47 states in the nation. fundamentally it weakens democracy. we have to see this as an assault on democracy. everything in our power to push for the for the people act. if they have to end the filibuster then they have to end the filibuster. this is the most critical thing facing this democratic nation.
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>> yeah. that's a good point. really this voting rights is a tip of the iceberg. greg abbott is not just going after voting rights but an entry point and also introducing new bills to combat perceived censorship in social media. limit abortion rights in texas. put in border security policies. restrict transgender athletes. this is a dark shadow over everything. are the democrats in texas focused on these issues as well? how will you beat back those efforts? >> when you look at all the -- [ inaudible ] when instead we should be focused on fixing the electric grid and clear that the governor wants to pander to a certain
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electorate in texas and can't change that. we change the policy behind it. we'll do whatever it takes. we need congress to act because as the vice president said yesterday this is a fight of our lives. >> it is indeed the fight of our lives. vice president kamala harris spoke at howard university. >> these laws create obstacle upon obstacle. these laws make it harder for you to vote. because they don't want you to vote. we will not let anyone take away our power and that's why we are all here together today. we're not going to let that happen. this is the fight of our lifetime. this is the fight of our lifetime. >> this is the fight of our lifetime. you made the great point that
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this is not something that we can organize ourselves out of. the dnc announced $25 million investment around organizing but is that enough? what is your expectation of the federal government? you have been on the ground in this battle for decades and have done work in every state in the south. swing states. across the country. i'm curious your thoughts and expectations and how involved are in the the talks with the white house? >> i have not had any talks with the white house. vice president harris' office reached out for the listen session but i do think that it takes many, many avenues and all the tools. whether that's organizing, the pieces. let me say we organize. we did our part. we delivered the white house and the senate. what we need is to we need the democrats to deliver to the people that delivered to them. what we need is the democrats to
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deliver a comprehensive voting protection legislative strategy and a bill that will protect us. there's the work that we are doing we actually had historic turnout and seeing the voter laws targeted to punish us for participating. the people did vote. will we do everything it takes to protect that vote? we need the different programs, the investments. that's a great thing but we have to take this seriously. the republicans are literally doing everything in their power. throwing the tools to undermine democracy. we have to fight. we have to be as resilient, as innovative and committed to not allow the republicans to undermine the voting rights of the people that actually delivered the white house. >> can we keep it is my question to you. specifically to you because again i remember talking to you on this show when i was guest
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hosting and talking to you down in georgia and florida. standing in line with people. oorg nizing across the country. can we survive midterms? >> i think that's a great question. that's a question to be determined what comes out of this administration. that essentially what's going to happen, i don't think that this is -- talking about voting and power about political parties, black voters did their part with a threat with trump administration and what was happening but takes an all of us literally using every tool available to us. organizers on the ground and also all of the political capital that's being used to stop this so if the democrats are to keep control in the mid the terms they have to operate with urgency.
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they give something to the people to recognize and not just we need to vote but that the vote will count and then two literally pushing back and using every political tool to hold the republicans accountable. stand with the democrats that are standing up and then recognize that we have to build, when we talk about infrastructure, have a political infrastructure that's strengthened in a way that the people in the nation, right, living in idaho or elsewhere that we have fair and equal access to the ballot. >> do you have the efforts so far from accomplishing this? like the $25 million investment? is that enough or like what specifically more can they do? >> it's a good start but not enough. until we have federal legislation, until we have federal legislation to protect voting rights it is not enough.
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like if in the election good of turnout but unless you win you don't win. unless we win, something, if we win and putt something on the table to protect the voting rights of citizens in this country then i think nothing -- we have not done enough. >> i'll say i know you were invited to a listening session but i hope you invite the federal government to a listening session. thank you for joining us and jessica gonzalez. keep us posted on what the plans are. but now, in the immortal words of juvenile back that thing up. that's next. there's an america we build and one we explore. one that's been paved and one that's forever wild. but freedom
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why don't you fax that thing up ♪ it's the new anthem of a hot vac summer. a riff on the 1999 classic. i remember it well. hopefully it works. but on a serious note the vaccination rate nearly stalled among many groups and people of color continue to bear the brunt with black, latino and indigenous people three more likely than whites to be hospitalized from covid and twice as likely to die. here to break down the myths is public health physician dr. chris cornell. i'm so happy to have you here and i have 8,000 questions. the booster shot. pfizer came out and said it is time to get that booster. the cdc said, what? slow your roll. where are you on this? >> we're not ready for that because we just don't have the
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data that it is necessary. what is encouraging is that the science is ready if and when we need to be able to do that. i think where we need to be focused in the market and among public health agencies is how we can expedite full approval of the vaccines so let's just follow the science and the data and be ready if and when we need to do the boosters. >> okay. so sticking with boosters for a second why if i got the pfizer vaccine do you know if i can intermix a booster? so like could i get the moderna booster? >> this is interesting. so how we make recommendations in public health is rooted in clinical trials and because they were conducted where we didn't mix the products we made
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recommendations that in the two dose series you stick with the brand of vaccine that you received in the initial vaccination. however when we start to have a conversation about boosters, since boosters will be designed to be very effective against variants circulating in the punl there is a possibility to have flexibility. you could receive a booster that's for pfizer if you have been vaccinated with moderna or vice versa. >> all right. so you talked about variants. i have done some travels. i have been out and about like a lot of the people and i'm nervous being places without my mask. this delta variant has beconcerned. with clusters of people not vaccinated, can the delta variant or another variant penetrate the protection we thought we had from the vaccine? >> as long as the virus is alive
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and proliferating there is a possibility for mutations, that could potential evade the immunity of the vaccines that we have. look. what we do know is that the vaccines that have been authorized have very effective at preventing severe disease. hospitalization. very effective at preventing a critical care state or being ventilated and effective at preventing death. what we don't know with the same degree of certainty the s to prevent all asymptomatic illness. if where you saw in israel the pfizer vaccine perhaps 64% effective it still held the ground to be 93% effective to prevent serious damage. i still wear my mask whenever
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indoors in a public setting and coming from a public health physician because this variant is doing anything and everything that it can to outsmart what we now know to be true. >> the virus is a living thing trying to survive and it makes sense. there is still so many conspiracy theorists out there. increasingly i'm disconcerted by these. there's a video of an older black woman saying don't get the vaccine. the second gentleman at a barbershop in chicago and someone said ain't nothing going to make me take that unless your life is on the line and you want to scream your life is on the line. how can we penetrate the communities? you have the anti-vaxxers and then some pockets of african-americans because of mistrust, what do we have to do at this point? >> we have to understand the various factors that implicate
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or influence human behavior. i will make this very plain. i don't have any tolerance for the anti-vaxxer movement. i don't have any tolerance for politicians who befriend, who cozy up to or become allies of that movement. i see that as another xamplt of white supremacy. in particular they target communities of color enthe atrocity that is the communities have experienced to play on the vulnerabilities. you have people who have questions. you have people unfortunately who have become susceptible to the conspiracy theories. we continue to walk in compassion. we continue to walk in love and be very direct. wherever misinformation and disinformation exists we who know the science and have been vaccinated we have to speak up
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and be willing to speak up continually and speak up emphatically because like you said lives are on the line. those who are still dying, those who are still being hospitalized, those who are still getting sick are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated. >> wow. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is stoking these conspiracy theories. there's quite a large cluster in georgia. there you have it. please come back. you are so great to answer the questions and put them in the proper context. thank you so much. so much more "cross connection" after the break. stay tuned.
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all right. welcome back. it is that time. so let's make it make sense. >> president biden visiting
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chicago yesterday just days after that city saw more than 100 shootings but he wasn't there to address that problem. he was there to promote his build back better agenda. so why is the white house ignoring the rising crime rate across the country? >> all right. thank you for that excellent although extremely loaded question. to be fair i can see how anybody watching fox might get the idea every american city is bullet ridden, battle field of burnt out cars and trash fires. look how they frame any crime coverage in the united states. >> the surge in crime. >> rising crime. >> the surge in crime. >> surge in crime. >> crime wave. >> surge in crime. >> crime wave. >> full scale crime wave. >> rising crime wave. >> massive lie wave. the never ending stream of spooky click bait headlines,
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talking heads and americans we'll established belief is that crime is always rising no matter the truth is a perfect storm for media bad actor just like the band of buddies at fox to drive a perception of the world that doesn't really align with reality. on thursday a poll revealed that 3 in 5 americans think violent crime is up in the last year and as many say it is worse now than 30 years ago in 1991. according to. hold up. are we talking about the same 1991? 30 years ago at the peak of the crime wave. the murder rate was almost twice as high as it is today. yes early fbi data shows a 25%en crease in murders from 2019 to 2020 and a huge problem that we absolutely need to get to the bottom of but across cities of all sizes from new york city to
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nebraska that same preliminary fbi data shows that overall crime is dropping. property crimes fell by nearly 8% from 2019 to 2020 and make up over 85% of all major crimes reported by the fbi. we won't know until full data is released in september but it could be one of the largest drops on record. yes. violent crimes which include murder ticked up by 3% last year in early data shows that trend may continue this year. obviously we all want crime to keep dropping as it has been for 26 of the last 28 years. but you guys, keep it real. a 3% increase in anything is hardly a surge. president biden actually is not ignoring the irses of crime in this country. just like those of us interested in ending police violence are not ending the violence in the neighborhoods.
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as you love to claim. biden offered access to $350 billion in federal stimulus money to bolster police departments. however you may feel about that but no republicans even voted for that money. you work for fox business? is that right? in the budget year 2022 budget requests from june he asked to increase the budget for community oriented policing program by a whopping $265 million. he says to help cities deal with crime at the neighborhood level. it remains to be seen whether gop shoots that down, too. the suspense is killing me. we will be watching as always. please do keep sending us the video questions. you know how much i love looking at them all week. whatever you want to talk about. politics, policy, stuff in the news, we'll try to answer the questions and if you don't send
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all the success in the world she covers football, basketball. but you need to give her more things to do because you're feeling pressure about your crappy long time -- by the way i myself know personally from the female side of it like go for it. just find it somewhere else. like you're not going to find it with me and taking my game away. >> rachel nicoles called the black colleague a diversity hire in that audio you heard and replaced by mallika andrews. these sisters came out on top but the comments are way too common in the workplace especially when white allies feel the opportunities are
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stripped away. when you're used to privilege equality feels like oppression. joining me is sports and culture writer at the athletic and co-author of "loving sports when they don't love you back" and nefertiti walker at amherst as a professor of sports management. nefertiti, i honestly believe rachel nichols represents a large sect of society. people leave a black lives matter rally and go home and egs press this sentiment. diversity is cool if it doesn't impact me in any way. >> absolutely. to begin it is a rough week for black women and a rough couple of weeks. especially with espn and nichols, everything from the swim cap ban with the olympics and also the two twins who are
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now being disqualified for a few events. it feels like black women are attacked constantly in sport and in this particular case three things are happening right here. first in the comments themselves are sexist and racist. we have to acknowledge the racism in the comments made and the racist rhetoric and the comments made by rachel nichols to assume that again maria taylor didn't get the positions because of talent and super intelligent but because espn had to make a diversity hire. the second point is the scarcity politics taking place and what we saw taking place in that particular conversation was the politics of one. zero sum game. there's only one position for a woman thinking about sport broadcasting opportunities. that's not the case. that shouldn't be the case and three or four positions perhaps
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all of them could be women and the organizational culture at play. espn this time in particular and other cases we have seen this organizational culture play out and has to be addressed as well. >> completely. you were a former columnist at espn. take a listen to rachel nichols' acknowledgement of what she said. >> the first thing they teach you in journalism school is don't be the story and i don't plan to do that and don't want to let the moment pass without saying how much i respect, i value our colleagues here at espn. how deeply, deeply sorry i am for disappointing those i hurt particularly maria taylor and how grateful i am to be part of this outstanding team. >> all right. i watched that entire segment.
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a few things. first, you worked at espn. what is it about the culture there that you think needs to change? >> sure. dr. walker is absolutely right saying that the overall problem here is a zero sum game. working at espn it is very much kind of a hunger games or game of thrones culture where you feel very much in competition with the colleagues and not healthy competition between women at a heightened rate. as dr. walker said the idea there's not space at a place as big as espn for two people immensely talented and worked the way to the positions is ridiculous and coming to pitting a woman against another for a job like this needs to change and completely a consequence of the workplace culture. >> completely. another interesting framing in this, dr. walker, who showed up
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for maria taylor? i want you to take a listen to this video off of instagram from former nba player steve jackson. >> we all ramble and say things when we frustrated and rachel did deserve that job. it just is plain and simple. i talked to rachel. she was saying it out of frustration. espn put her in a bad position and then trying to give maria a sympathy job to look good because all the black lives matter and the george floyd stuff going on. >> okay. so a couple things there. one, i remember when my friend jamal hill went through this and michael smith stood with her. everybody stood in solidarity. i didn't see that so much from nba players. everyone was coming out rachel been good to me. you know? it was just disappointing to see.
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so what is your thought on some of the silence and the reaction we saw in people not supporting maria taylor? >> yeah. that's an excellent question. i know my first thought is that's interesting and i know the word interesting is super boring but it is interesting because i'm immediately drawn to the work of kimberly crenshaw and taking a mind set to what happens here and looking at the individual and the many identity one in particular is being young. i think generally speaking having a young, black woman in her position who also has played sports so she has that sort of institutional capital that she is bringing into the position, that's threatening to people. to the culture of perhaps sport broadcasting, to people that are in those spaces and i think that's what you see at play here. because maria taylor is young, a black woman, moving up very
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quickly she is in a lot of ways seen as a threat to folks and the organizations themselves support this. organizations don't want to change. they want to continue to prosper and not evolve but continue to be who they are and thinking about espn as well as most other sport organizations they come from a place where men dominate and when we think about the decision makers they're typically older white men and any you see a black woman, a young black woman able to wield power and influence because of their talent and experience people are threatened and i feel like maria taylor has the talent, the experience although limited and she's smart, intelligent. does the job well. >> yeah. i think you are not as surprised of older white men when this plays out. i was surprised of the
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colleagues. this is lebron james' point person. can she cover lebron james knowing that mendelsson coming out with a statement that he provided to cnbc that he shouldn't have said or thought it and trying to check the privilege and work to be better but made the remarks. does he have responsibility? does lebron james have any responsibility? >> i honestly don't think it should cover the way taylor covers lebron. lebron would want to have a conversation if he hasn't already considering that a thing that lebron is extremely dedicated to is social justice and the dismissiveness with which he said i'm exhausted with dealing with me too and black lives matter like a burden.
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that's a conversation to have and speaks to a larger idea of exactly what's being said behind closed doors. when a company is -- has a front facing commitment to diversity and inclusion and behind doors a nuisance to them and something that we're seeing not just with espn but to see at other companies and does change when the decision makers to dr. walker's point when the decision makers change. >> this is a conversation that we can have for a long time so certainly ongoing. thank you so much. don't go anywhere because coming up this is not what we mean by defund the police. stay with us.
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leaving at a rapid rate? >> it is a concern, tiffany. as you know there's a lot of issues going. members were not briefed on the fencing coming down. i've heard from colleagues who ask me always say, as far as i know we are. know, we are. there's a better way we could have done it. but from the standpoint of what we'll be doing with our committee, we'll look at what happened on january 6th, but the security around the capitol continues to be a problem. as you know, we passed legislation in the house to improve the security, but we're still waiting on the senate. they have not taken action. we're about two weeks from running out of money. that is a concern. i hope the senate works its wheel so we can keep people employed, we can continue to
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secure the capitol and give our opportunity of a committee review of exactly what went wrong on january 6th. we are concerned about it. our committee will look at every situation that occurred to look at not just the facts and circumstances, but how do we improve the security of not just the capitol itself, but the employees and the general public who comes on a daily basis before the covid-19 pandemic just to view the capitol, the public can't come and view the capitol now. and a lot of it has to do with what happened on january 6th. >> yeah, they're trying to make one of those violent insurrectionist, ashley bab it who was killed on that day, they're making her out to be a martyr. i want you to listen to the
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former president talk about her. >> people are being treated unbelievably unfairly, when you look at people in prison and nothing happens to antifa. the person that shot ashley babbit, boom, right through the head, there was no reason for that. >> she was shot while breaching the capitol, while trying to climb through a window as off was telling her not to. donald trump himself played a role in this. you have said this committee will get started in the next nine or ten days and you will go wherever it leads you, including donald trump's doorstep. if you do subpoena the former president, how will you enforce the subpoena? >> well, obviously if the subpoena is refused, then we'll go to court, we'll have our day in court. in america, even when donald trump is involved, that is a judicial system and we will not hesitate to apply that system. we have to get to the bottom of all the causal effects that
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occurred on january 6th, from what the public can see with their own eyes. this was horrendous, and for him to try to make a hero out of an individual who lost their lives breaking into the capitol is patently unfair, but that's the misinformation that donald trump is noted to peddle. clearly everyone in their right mind understands what occurred on january 6th is not the ordinary way of doing business in the united states capitol, and so we have to get to the bottom of it based on our select committee. we have a quorum of the committee and we do plan to do our work. the first committee hearing will be we'll talk to the rank and file employees who had to fight some of these people off on that day. we'll talk to the custodial help
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who had to clean the mess up after we got the people out of the capitol. none of these people have been talked to. so we want to set the tone for our committee's work, that we care about the employees who work every day in the capitol. >> we're all waiting to see who minority leader mccarthy appoints. i'm just curious, could mccarthy appoint himself to this committee, and if he does, what does that do around the possibility of him being subpoenaed? and do you have any preferences on who you would like to see appointed from the republican caucus, outside of liz cheney, of course, who is already on the committee? >> well, let me say that it's mccarthy's choice. he can either become a bipartisan participant in appointing people on the commission, or he can try to be a bomb thrower. i have a history of being bipartisan in my homeland security committee.
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i plan to be no different in this. but i'm glad that speaker pelosi has final approval on who comes to the committee. so if he tries to put someone on there who obviously is a denier, who says that on that day it was equivalent to having a tour of the capitol, that's not in the good interest and best interest of this country. so speaker pelosi has the final approval of whoever is nominated, and i trust speaker pelosi to do the right thing. >> all right. thank you so much, congressman thompson. we appreciate you taking time this morning to join us. don't go anywhere, up next nicole hanna jones joins me to talk about tenure, racism in america, and their decision to join the legendry howard university. a powerful conversation is up next. stay with us.
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political science professor is basically saying and arguing that racism was ingrained in the military from the beginning and it still is, though she cites no current evidence. >> we should not be teaching and
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indoctrinating our cadets to believe that our military is a fundamentally racism institution. who is going to want to raise their hand and take an oath to defend our constitution if you believe what professor garcia is teaching about it? >> within to "the cross connection." you'll likely hear more of this garbage this weekend at cpac as they continue to stoke fears over critical race theory. but actually what they want is to whitewash the truth about america. the one that they think already exists and the one that we are trying to bring into existence. meanwhile, this week the news surrounding nicole hanna jones tenure fight with the university of north carolina was an example of what the theory teaches that racism is entrenched in our lives and an over-qualified pulitzer prize winner had to
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threat an lawsuit in order to be given begrudgingly the same opportunity as while people who came before her in that position, and ultimately she chose an hbcu instead. she is joining howard university, along with ta-nehisi coates, what marvin gay is to soul and joining me now is the brand new inaugural investigative journalist from howard university, the wonderful nikole hannah-jones and ta-nehisi coates. i am so thrilled to have you here. you are everything, my friend. i'm happy for you and thrilled and congratulations to the students at howard because they are in for a treat this fall. you've been in a lot of battles and it started with the launch of the 1619 project to introduce the debate around critical race theory and now this fight around tenure.
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i'm just curious from you, what has this process taught you about the current state of america today? >> well, thanks for having us both on. excited to be here with you. what it taught me is that the work that we do, the work that you do, is vital because we are still fighting against the instincts that were baked into a country that began with slavery. so all of the arguments we're seeing that we don't come from a fundamentally racist country, our past is not a racist past, that racial inequality, anything we see today is simply a matter of individual choices, all of that is being disproven by what we're seeing across our country. not just with my tenure fight. that's the least of our worries in this country. but the wave of voter suppression laws and anti-free speech laws that are trying to stop us from learning the true history of our country. all of these efforts are
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confirming why we do the work that we do, which is when it comes to our politics, our culture, our society, race continues to be an organizing factor. >> absolutely. and we're seeing that play out before us. we saw the confederate statues come down in virginia just a few hours ago. so ta-nehisi, i want to ask you because we were talking about the lack of allies amongst black women and one thing that was so endearing was to see our counterpart jump in this battle to help defend and your role in this entire situation, which so many of us talked about offline. there are some people who feel that we're preaching to the choir, taking two talents like you, going to hbcus, a lot of these black students may already know about this history. if it is a white person's job to educate themselves on the truth about this country, whose job is
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it to educate them? what's your thought? >> so i can just answer the question about preaching to the choir. teaching is not preaching. and i don't even know that preaching is what white people construe preaching as. when i went to howard university there were conceptions about blackness, about myself that i had, there were private conversations that i needed to have outside of the conversations that we have with white people. debates that needed to be had, debates about sexuality, debates about gender, debates about colorism, geography, et cetera. and you don't really get to have those conversations if you're trying to prove to people your humanity, when they don't believe in your basic intellect. you spend all your time in what is supposed to be educational trying to prove to people that you're actually worthy of fighting battles with them. there are different axes of our
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existence besides black and white, and one of the beautiful things is when you're in a place where you're surrounded by other intelligent, brilliant black people, that card of intellect, that card of humanity is off the table. and what's left is all the other questions about yourself that you had. so i just really object to that because it presumes that the only question and debates worth having are with white people and i strongly disagree with that. >> i'm curious your thoughts on the same thing. i got a lot of emails and tweets and dms of people making the same point, asking that question about -- i take your point, preaching is not teaching, but i wonder your thoughts on that same sentiment, nikole. >> i feel the same way. let's be clear, the 1619 project didn't only teach white people something about our history and who we are as americans, black americans have also been largely deprived of a true understanding of a lot of this history as
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well. but also, i'm going to be the a journalism teacher. i'm not coming there to bring racial justice to our campus. i'm coming to howard the same way i was coming to the university of north carolina, was to teach journalism, the fundamentals of journalism, investigative journalism and how to in fuse journal ist with an understanding. certainly students at howard university deserve that type of instruction, and also they are having to learn journalism now at institutions like hbcus that are chronically underfunded, that don't have massive endowments like an institution like the university of north carolina. so when people say that, i think they don't fundamentally understand what my role would be, but also that we are bringing resources that these students have long deserved but haven't received. >> you bring up a really good point. first of all, both of you are
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joining howard university, comes with a $20 million donation by the john dean and catherine mcarthur foundation, but i like the point you made about teaching journalism. that's something that's so important. and as we feed the diversity pipelines and newsrooms, i think your input will be invaluable. as people watch you go through this, all of the colored girls who consider journalism when twitter was not enough, what is your message today? >> my message is that we are absolutely vital to these institutions, even as they often treat us as if we should feel lucky and blessed to be there. diversity doesn't matter in newsrooms because it feels good or it's politically correct, it matters because we are simply unable to cover our count with the truth and accuracy this moment requires if the only people who have the levers of power in these institutions are the people who have always had the levers of power. so i'm no one's diversity hire.
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i bring something. black girls bring something very specific to newsrooms and that's why we deserve to be there and we deserve to be treated like we deserve to be there. >> absolutely. i'm curious what made you go back -- because not only will you be teaching, you'll also be completing your degree. what made you go back to get your degree? >> i always wanted my degree. i always wanted my degree. like a lot of people, it was an economic crunch. i wasn't the greatest student, but i didn't want to leave. i had a job in journalism that was paying, i was 20 years old, and i had something that i was paying into that i wasn't at that time particularly good at. if i could take a quick second, i want to answer something senator cotton said that i think is important to this debate, if i could. she asked, who would want to defend the country when you know racism is baked into the constitution, and i take great offense to that. because the answer to that
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question is black people. african-americans have fought in every single war and served in the military in every single military engagement since 1776. my dad served in the military. so this notion that you have to believe that the united states of america is perfect, that the constitution is the word of god itself in order to serve in the military, i have nothing else to say except how very white, because there are a lot of us that never had that privilege to begin with. >> absolutely. black americans serve at the highest rate of all racial groups. indigenous people also serve at the highest rates. so folks who have been left out of the social contract have been the primary ones joining the military to up hold it. so it is offensive. my father was a military vet as well. my opening essay about democracy is about my father flying this flag because he was a great patriot of a country that didn't
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treat him like a man. so when people say that, tom cotton certainly doesn't care about the facts of history that for the vast majority of this country, black people were fighting in a military that segregated them until world war ii, black people had to beg to be allowed to fight for their country, as in the civil war. it is deeply offensive to the disproportionate number of black and brown veterans that exist in this country. >> i'll stick with this for a moment because the first black secretary of defense was asked about this on capitol hill and really kind of rebuked teaching critical race theory within the army. what does it say that the first black secretary of defense felt so strongly about it and kind of sided with the opposition here? >> i think that when you are in a leadership position on empire, you up hold empire. and this is the least surprising stance for him to take. that's how i feel about that.
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>> ta-nehisi, the vice president being a lbcu graduate, and now the two of you, how insufferable about all howard university alumni be forever? >> it's a huge problem. it's disgraceful. it's absolutely disgraceful between our home comings, between the band, all y'all got a problem, the hbcus have got a problem. in all seriousness, that's the private dialogue that we have, those of you who attend and teach at hbcus. but i am at pains to remind people that howard university is part of a community of hbcus, and as you see myself and nikole going home, i hope those of us who have the privilege and ability, those of us who can and
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want to make the choice to return to hbcu, if they're looking at howard or morgan state or xavier, we are part of a community. it's often said that howard is the black harvard, but that's actually not enough. we should be in this together. so that's my feeling about that. except at homecoming. >> and nikole, this is our first hbcu experience. i have to tell you, it's nothing like the environment. i'm curious what you're most looking forward to about joining the mecca. >> i am so excited. >> homecoming! >> i can't even express. i will finally go to homecoming. i said i couldn't bear it because i would just think about all that i had experienced in my life up until then and i couldn't really claim howard. now i can. one of my biggest regrets in life is that i didn't choose an
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hbcu for undergraduate, and just to reaffirm what ta-nehisi said, even with the resources we're bringing, this is going to establish a center that is going to bolster journalism programs across hbcus. we're working on partnerships with places like moore house. we survive because we are not individualistic and we are a community. we have to support each other. we're going to howard, but we hope that that will benefit and that we will work with and learn from all of the other great hbcus in this country. >> nikole, i want to say to you as a journalist who has navigated newsrooms for almost two decades and as a black whom has navigated this world, i thank you and stand in solidarity. and we're going to start a
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black woman in the new york city cast. enter eboni k. williams, filming for the show's 13th season began shortly after the protests of last summer, and as the racial reckoning swept the nation. fans of the show watched a group of upper class white women reckon with race on a personal level, likely for the first time in their lives. joining me now is my friend, eboni k. williams, host and executive producer of "holding court with eboni k. williams" and a real housewife of new york city. i'm so happy to have you here. thank you for joining us. you and i talked yesterday. we met when you were an anchor at fox. you were always so supportive. thank you. we talked yesterday about your role on this show and i have to tell you, i binge watched a few episodes. it's a lot. what has your experience been like? >> oh, tiffany, so great to be with you, my sister. and i appreciate you and i'm so proud of your platform. the experience has been as challenging as any of my career,
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and i say that, as you just graciously introduced me, a former host at fox news, i've been a correspondent at cbs news and worked as a trial attorney in criminal defense work and some other things in my career. and this experience as a real housewives of new york has been challenging, but i've got to tell you, it has been as impactful, probably in ways more impactful than any of the work i've been blessed and privileged to do. >> i watched the harlem episode, and i couldn't look away. i will say that. some of the women say things and i wonder, does it come from a place of ignorance, like you're saying this because you really don't know any better, or do you know better but there's never really been a person of color to check you for some of these remarks? what do you think, since you've been kind of immersed in this space where you are the only?
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>> you know, i'm not entirely sure, tiffany, where it comes from. but what i do know is just lis listening to that incredible conversation you just had, i also consider myself a black woman with extreme position and privilege, right? and when bravo came to me with the incredible opportunity to be the very first black woman to represent the dynamic beautiful, brilliant women that are black women in new york city, what a gift, right? what an honor. and i have a responsibility to do that justice and do it in a way that is not singular, because we know there is no singular black female experience, but one that honors the complexity and the dynamic nature of who we are as a culture. so harlem night was all about that. as for the women's pushback and resistance to what was being presented, which was a beautiful, i feel like, night of curated black excellence, where i gifted each woman a harlem
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candle, shout out to harlem candle company, that was indicative of things i represented in their personalities. so they got james baldwin, they got billie holiday, they got langston hughes and all of these great lessons of the harlem renaissance. what i know for sure is blackness in america is one of the most misunderstood underappreciated aspects of american culture. and as somebody in my position, going back to nikole and everything she represents that is so important in this moment, i am also an alum nift of unc chapel hill, i got my degree from unc chapel hill and i see the attack on american experiences that is going on in our country. we have to call a thing a thing, and you know i have no problem doing that. >> i know that. >> it is my benevolent responsibility to use this incredible platform that is global, real housewives of new
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york, global platform to show up in black excellence, call a thing a thing, and make sure that everybody, including other black americans, tiffany, have as best and most appreciated understanding of blackness, as i've been blessed to do. >> so you're making the point that you are not necessarily trying to educate the women on the show, but society at large. >> indeed. listen, it's not my job -- you'll see in this week's episode, we air at 9:00 p.m. tuesday nights on bravo, i have a line where i say i'm not toni morrison in this piece, and i'm saying it jokingly but from a place of i have many jobs, i'm blessed to do many things. one of them i don't do that i get paid for is educating white americans on the nature of black america or america in general. that's not my job. but to have a platform like this, tiffany, and fail to use it to spread the good news of what it is to be black in america today, i think would be a great tragedy.
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i think it would be irresponsible of me, again as a woman in this position. my blackness is my favorite thing about me. and if that bores some people, if that infuriates some people, if that is not of interest to some people, frankly, it's not my problem, nor my concern. >> right. really quickly because we're out of time, but i just want to ask quickly, because a lot of people feel like these reality tv platforms perpetuate negative stereo types about black women in particular, do you ever feel conflicted about being a part of the franchise, even though you, yourself, are not necessarily perpetuating that stereotype? >> so i never feel a conflict, tiffany, because i actually think reality tv is a fascinating cultural juggernaut that has the ability to impact so many people. everybody is not watching the news. everybody is not reading the newspaper or listening to talk radio. so for a lot of people, their understanding of our very nation and culture comes from these
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shows. so to be able to extend my work as an attorney and journalist into this space and have people -- we talked about this yesterday, from germany, from australia, from south africa, picking up their first copy of james baldwin's fire, that's a gift and it tells me it's a job well done. >> i want to say you look beautiful on the show and i was so happy to see you there and i'm happy to see you spreading some education. so thank you so much. eboni, thank you for joining us. don't go anywhere. up next, donald trump and defend on texas. we'll have a live report from the conservative coachella when we come back. one that's been paved and one that's forever wild. but freedom means you don't have to choose just one adventure. you get both. introducing the wildly civilized
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america uncanceled, that's the theme of the three-day conservative political action conference, cpac, happening right now in dallas, and the conservative coachella will be capped off on sunday by none other than the former president,
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donald trump. joining me now is msnbc political correspondent, ali vitali. i have to say it's interesting that this conference is taking place in texas while, right up the road, they are trying to obliterate voting rights in this country. tell me what's going on on the ground there. >> reporter: you know, tiffany, i think you hit on a really important point because this state is a great microcosm for the state of the republican party right now, because the conversations that are happening here, it's sort of the epicenter of the ethos of the conservative movement right now and what we're seeing is the ideas that we hear talked about in rooms like this one acted upon in state legislators across the country, but certainly a few hours from where i am in dallas, the state legislature is meeting in austin and working through things like restrictive voting laws. but also when you hear conversations in rooms like these about banning critical race theory and banning
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transgender athletes from participating in high school sports, those ideas are taking root at the local level across the country. and so those are some of the things that are on the docket during this texas special session. we're watching the manifestation of that happen, and for me, someone who has covered this cpac, prior, and trump rallies and conservative events, it's the casualty between the national conversation of cancel culture and stoking culture wars and how that's actually manifesting at the local level. and i also think you look no further than the way that restrictive voting laws have been enacted across the country, not just in texas, but in places like florida and georgia. it's all based in this phantom theory that there was a rigged election in 2020. it's something that the form prt has continued to stoke. i've heard it mentioned just a few times on the stage behind me already today. this is something that people are taking that didn't happen,
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there was not a rigged election in 2020, but conservative legislators across the country now are taking this national idea and building upon it at the local level. we're seeing it right now happen in austin, but it's happening across the country. so a real cause and effect between conferences like this, which don't necessarily have much new in terms of the way that these ideas are being presented. a lot of it is very similar to what we've always heard from trump, both when he was president and even before that when he was campaigning for office in 2015 and 2016. the ideas and the culture wars have remained the same, only now we're seeing conservative legislators actually start to build on them and make them law. >> and as you well know, having covered this conference previously, this used to take place right here in washington, d.c. looking at the crowd behind you, it doesn't appear to be very populated. i'm curious, what is the crowd like on ground there? >> reporter: yeah, look, this is the second cpac of the year. the first one was in february in florida. it was the first time that
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former president donald trump had spoken publicly since leaving the white house. this one has a little bit more of a muted vibe, but many of the same people taking the stage here that we saw at the earlier cpac conference. for example, donald trump jr. was speaking here yesterday, we're also going to see several state officials from texas who are sure to talk about the ongoing special session that's happening right now. i saw indicate lin indicate lin the typical crowd you see at these kinds of events. at the same time, the real headliner is the former president closing out this conference tomorrow and having spent time around him at his rallies and other events he's been doing since leaving office, it is a lot of the same old song and dance. a lot of re-litigating of the 2020 election and pushing this idea that something happened that didn't actually happen, and the outgrowth of that is as i talk to voters at those events and talk to voters here, there
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ready for an at-home treatment with dramatic results? it's time to ask your doctor about kesimpta. most americans are definitely seeing it. but not everyone is happy about it. since 2016, lawmakers in at least 17 states have introduced legislation declaring pornography a public health crisis. a majority of americans disagree, possibly. still, studies have shown that x-rated content can normalize aggressive behavior and shape
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how some are, how shall we say, getting it on. joining me to talk about this, professor and director of the center for sexual health promotion at indiana university, bloomington school of public health, and i dragged him into the conversation, dr. jason johnson, msnbc political contributor. but i want to start with you, doctor, because, look, in reading about this, i was really surprised at how many young people are consuming pornography. jason and i are of the age, i remember we watched cinemax when we were little and you saw zigly lines and with kids using this to satisfy their curiosity, i'm curious how you have seen this impact sexual behaviors in young adults. >> it's a great question. we know that sexual behavior among young people is changing, so we now see some pretty
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surprising rates of what many people consider aggressive sexual behaviors or rough sex among young people, such as choking during sex where a person uses their hands or a belt or cord to squeeze the neck. a whole range of rough sex behaviors, and i think that's the biggest change we're seeing is rough sex among teenagers and young adults. and not just seeing the behaviors, but a real perception that it's mainstream and everybody is doing it and because everybody is doing it, we don't even have to talk about it. and that's a really challenging place to be as a sex educator and as a parent. >> yeah, it's a scary place to be. jason, among college men pornography use has been associated as seeing women as disposable, and for both sexes, a stronger belief in rape such as a woman asked for it because of what she wore or how much she drank. you're a college professor. how have you seen this play out
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in some of your interactions with some of your students? >> tiffany, a couple years ago i taught a pop culture and politics class and we talked a lot about pornography and i pointed out at the time that the myth was that there was always some inappropriate professor who would be like, i'm going to show my class pornography in order to sort of enjoy themselves. but i pointed out to my students that a lot of the racial and psychological messages in pornography are really important for them to interpret and dig through. because at the end of the day, pornography, and pornography consumption, is one of the most realistic indicators as to where americans are for a lot of reasons. unlike books, unlike magazines, a lot of other things, pornography is directly hitting the brain. it's what people want to see in the privacy of their own homes. if you're seeing messages that are racist or seeing messages about black women being degraded or seeing messages of sex always being associated with power and violence, that does get to the minds of these students. and what it can lead to, in the
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most positive way, it can allow students to explore sexualities that maybe they've been ashamed of. if you're an lgbtq student and you're in a very conservative area, maybe year sex, the only way you can get it is through important, so it's a good thing. but on the negative level, some are picking up it's a violent push yourself through the door, attack somebody else sort of thing, and they don't learn normal courtship and the kind of things that make sex mutually enjoyable as opposed to just a power exercise. >> jason makes a good point, doctor, because i think it's impacting the way younger people are dating and engaging each other, because in some of the research, your research and other research i've read, people start to view sex as something you do to another person instead of with another person. how can young people unlearn this behavior if that is where, pornography is where they're learning about sexual engagement? >> yeah, there's been a big push
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in sex education toward creating pornography literacy programs and to integrating those into sex education, because we do know now that most teenagers watch important, they watch it alone, they watch it with friends, and they send links to each other, even at young ages, in middle school. so the average age for boys first seeing pornography is about 13 1/2. that's the average. for girls, it's a little bit older, around 17, 18. but, again, that's an average. and so young people are seeing this. so getting people to think critically about it, to ask themselves and others questions about what they're seeing, how people are being portrayed to unpack issues around racism and misogyny are really, really important, because the people who are being really a guessed against generally are black women and women more generally. and it doesn't just stay within
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important. it does sort leak out into people's interpersonal lives and also gets transmitted through other media. so when we ask young people where they learn about some of the types of sex they're having, pornography is a big one, especially for young men. for young women it's places like tiktok and twitter memes. so what used to be only in pornography is now really mainstream in a lot of social media, too, that young people consumer. and if we're not really critically examining what we're seeing and talking openly about it, then it just sits there and then becomes part of what they do with the people that they're having sex with. and, again, as jason pointed out, doing it to people rather than with, rather than finding out what you like, rather than asking the question of what is enjoyable, how does this make you feel, because we just know that sex has not been feeling good to a lot of people these days. and we're seeing that with declines in population level
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sex. fewer young people are also having sex, fewer adults have having sex, and i can't help but think that some of that is that what's available to them is not so pleasurable. >> absolutely. and jason, the doctor makes a good point saying, you know, asking how does this make you feel is also an issue in consent. you and i talked about that last week. porn hub is the most visited site and they do a review every year, and they had 33.5 visits in 2018. when you talk to younger people, do they ever talk to you about, like, their date and the way that they emote with each other? >> so yes and no. one, i have to point this out because this is what i was saying about how sometimes pornography consumption can teach us a lot. porn hub has good white papers. like the data analytics they collect for what pornography people consume after the
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presidential election of 2020 or after the super bowl or during the holidays is actually really fascinating as a social scientist and i've looked at that data. wow, okay, this is how people sort of process things in the privacy of their own homes. but, again, tiffany, what i think is really key here is young people's perception, even like my zoomer students, are still warped by these binary ideas about pornography. we still have this idea in our heads, pornography is for losers who can't get any, which is toxic on multiple levels. one, it suggests that enjoying sex is somehow indicative of your own inability to capture women. that's the poisonousness for men. for women, it's this idea that, oh, you're a bad girl if you watch this sort of thing. that's why i think when we see the legislation where they're trying to make pornography illegal, porn isn't going to turn you into something that in a toxic society doesn't happen. the gentleman who killed six women in atlanta was railing against pornography.
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porn didn't kill these people. he was angry regardless. we have to make sure we stop using porn as a catch all for keeper problems. porn is a symptom. it has never been the root of our problem. >> we're way over time. i just want to ask you one last question. is there a healthy way that people can enjoy pornography? >> yes, most people enjoy pornography without any problems. but there's ethical porn that people can look at. some of it that is equity, you can choose some that is created and you can talk about it with your teenagers and partners. don't just assume. >> from capitol hill to pornography, this is "the cross connection." i want to thank you both for being here. thanks for having that important conversation. coming up, they produce music for everyone from janet to
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♪ he don't know nothing ♪ ♪ talking about the things he's gonna buy for you ♪ ♪ can't even get a loan ♪ ♪ running around town like he take good care of you ♪ ♪ when everybody knows ♪ all right, my next guests have produced hits for some of the biggest names in music, janet jackson, mariah carey, usher, and so many more. now, after more than 40 years of creating pop after pop, jimmy jam and terry lewis, are finally releasing their own debut album, jam and lewis volume 1. you know who they are, music legends, jimmy jam and terry lewis. that duo looks so great. you guys are iconic in those images. i'm curious -- i'm so happy to
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have you here. i'm curious why it took you so long to put out magical music of your own. >> it's all god's timing, as we like to say. for us, the journey started 35 years ago. we were working on a little album called control with janet jackson, and terry and i had started working on our own album at that point. janet ended up taking "what have you done for me lately". that song launched her career and postponed ours. it's kind of taken us this long to get selfish and keep the songs for ourselves instead of giving them to other artists. >> i'm very much looking forward to your album. it just dropped on july 9th. and you work with some incredible people. what i love about this is you brought back morris day and jerome benton on this album, which is very exciting, and other artists join us as well. who were some of the people that
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you were very intentional about including and why? >> pretty much everybody on the album was intentional. we have a list of people that we just love to work with, and that list is very long because we have great relationships over the years. but everybody that's on the album -- well, there's only a few people that we hadn't worked with, and the two people that i can think of is baby face and toni braxton. there are two people we absolutely love and respect and always wanted to work with. so we just tried to get our friends in and make music, and that's what we did this time. >> speaking of friends, you guys tell the story many times about prince graciously releasing you from the time, and we always hear how his work and his sound influenced so many other artists, such an icon. i'm curious how you think your
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work influenced prince. >> i think prince was really proud of us. i think he was a person that was instrumental of, you know, releasing us, as you said, or freed. we like to say freed because people say he fired us. but we always say freed, he freed us. but i think we were very influential on him and later on in his life when we got a chance to talk to him, he would say, particularly to terry, he would talk to a lot, what would you do if we got together in a studio. so i think we had a desire to always work together and i will say in his passing, everything we do is in some way informed by prince. particularly his work ethic that he instilled upon us. but we always kind of think about we hope prince would be proud of this album and proud of this representation of r&b music, which he so coveted and so taught us about. so we think about him every
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single day in everything that we do musically. >> last word to you, terry, you both say that you like to tell an artist story. i'm curious of the contemporary slate of artists who are out there, whose story would you like to tell who you haven't yet worked with? >> oh, well, it's a long list, but i'm going to shorten it down. we love h.e.r. and we are fortunate enough to have a collaboration with h.e.r. with one of our former songs that we did, it's number one now, in "damage". and the person that i just think i would love to work with is janelle monet. she represents so much of what we're about and her performance skills are second to none. >> what an icon. >> yes. >> and as a friend of the show, i'll tell you, you have to come back because we are way over time. jimmy jam, i know you wanted to get in there. this is an excuse for you to
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at 10:00 a.m. eastern as i fill in for my colleague, jonathan capehart, so he can have a weekend. but stay tuned, because my friend alex whit has the latest. alex, i don't know if you saw the last segment, but jimmy jam and terry lewis. i was so excited to have them. >> i was pretty excited to be watching them. and i'm so happy you'll be back tomorrow. as much as we miss jonathan, we're very glad to see you again tomorrow. we'll chat again. have a good evening. thank you. a very good day to all of you from msnbc world het headquarters here in new york. it is high noon here in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to alex whit reports. we're going to start with breaking news out of texas because the state senate is starting to hear from voters about the new and controversial republican-backed measures to restrict voting. let's go right to msnbc's priscilla thompson at the state

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