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that is going to do it for us tonight. happy friday. i'll see you again here on monday night. now it's time for "the last word" where mehdi hasan is in for lawrence tonight. good evening, mehdi, it's good to see you. >> good evening, rachel. it is friday night. can you confirm for the viewers that you have a fun-packed weekend ahead? >> umm, no. not at all. i'm just going to be, you know, reading transcripts and stuff. definitely not doing any fishing. >> sunday afternoon, you must join me virtually at least and watch england win the european
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football championship. for the first time in my lifetime, as joe biden would say. >> fair enough. good luck. thanks, buddy. >> have a great weekend. good evening. president biden finally is planning on using the bully pulpit and making his case directly to the american people to focus attention on the most important issue of our time, the future of american democracy and the defense of our voting rights. today, the white house announced that the president will speak in philadelphia on tuesday about what his administration will do, quote, to protect the sacred institutional right to vote. yesterday biden met with civil rights leaders who pushed him to do more and take a more urgent stand in support of the democrats' sweeping election bills. federal action, specifically federal legislation, is the only surefire way to protect our right to vote from dangerous anti-democratic republicans in state houses across the country,
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like in texas, where republicans are again pushing to pass incredibly restrictive voter laws. it's the top priority of the state's special session currently under way. today texas democrats unveiled their own voting legislation and called for a public hearing on their bill which would expand vote by mail, lengthen the early voting period, and allow for online and election day voter registration. here is texas state senator royce west. >> we'll do everything in our power to get a hearing on this vote, on this bill, work with republicans and anyone else in terms of taking senate bill 1 in this particular bill, the barbara jordan elections act, and see whether we can strike compromises to make certain all persons in the state of texas are able to vote, that's transparent, and that is secure. >> outside of texas, republicans have opted for other novel ways
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to undermine our democracy. for example, sham election audits like the ones still taking place in arizona. the brennan center for justice reports that similar partisan reviews are now taking place or being proposed in wisconsin, in michigan, in georgia, and in pennsylvania. quote, the proposed election reviews failed to satisfy basic security, accuracy, and reliability measures and the auditors themselves fail to meet basic standards of objectivity. pennsylvania attorney general josh shapiro constructed the counties to refuse to cooperate.
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state democratic leader costa, who will join us in a moment, wrote, quote, should you allow this to continue, senator mass masstriano will have built a frankenstein creation of a committee with limitless power, frighteningly controlled by a senator. to be clear, these republicans are not going to stop on their own. they are going to have to be stopped. leading off our discussion tonight, a democratic texas state representative, armando martinez, and the chief consecutive of hidalgo county, texas. representative martinez, you managed to stop the republicans by denying them quorum not so long ago but they're back now with this special session. they're relentless, if at first you don't succeed, try and try
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again, i guess is their approach. what is the plan to stop them, is there one? >> thank you very much, mehdi, thank you for having us on. we already know texas is already among the most restrictive voting rights states in the country and has a history of, you know, discriminating. so legislators on both sides of the aisle should be expanding the right to vote, not restricting it. i can tell you democrats are working hard to use every rule that we have in our power to make sure that our democracy is not challenged. and no matter our race, political party, or zip code, all of us know that in a democracy, voters pick the leaders, our leaders should not get to pick the voters. >> well-put. judge hidalgo, what the texas gop wants to get rid of, 24-hour voting, drive-through voting, these are all heavily used by your county, and by voters of
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color. you don't think that's a coincidence, do you? >> that's right, here in hidalgo county, we have these innovations and had the largest turnout in 33 years. we're home to houston and other cities, beautiful voters of both parties, it was incredible. of course now republicans at the state level are trying to ban these innovations under the guise of this idea of this lie that there was massive voter fraud. what's happening is after the representative and his colleagues courageously walked out to stop that from passing in the regular session, now the governor has called the legislature back into session, into special session, what we're calling a suppression session, and he's trying to extort the legislators, saying he will not fund the legislative branch, not their salaries or staff salaries, unless they pass these bills that allow poll watchers to get as close to voters as they want, that make it a crime for poll workers to ask these
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poll watchers to leave, that ban drive-through voting, 24-hour voting. the situation is urgent. this is happening right now, in texas. and we need everybody to pay attention. >> yes. attention is very important. so representative martinez, when you see what republicans are doing in a state like yours in a totally brazenly partisan way and then you hear democratic senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema in washington, d.c. saying we have to be bipartisan, we have to work with republicans, what goes through your mind in texas? >> it is unconscionable to hear what is going on in texas and what republicans are doing not only in texas but across the nation. i can tell you that this session, there's not anything special about it. the suppression session is exactly what it's called. our governor has not done anything to address the fundamental needs of texas. he has gone after a political
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ploy, he has gone after a political platform. you know this is exactly what republicans are doing across this nation. and he has placed politics in front of people. he is going to restrict the vote in order to make sure that republicans get what they want. and he has placed a political agenda in front of what's important. and that is the people of texas. so it is just unconscionable. it's reckless. it's juvenile, what republicans are doing. >> judge hidalgo, it's not just a political agenda as representative martinez points out. real people are suffering. tonight there's news out of texas that the state attorney general, ken paxton, has arrested a houston voter, hervis rogers, who went viral last year after lining up for six hours on super tuesday to vote, he's accused of illegal voting because his parole was done in june. he's in jail and his bail has been set at $100,000. what is your reaction to that case from your county?
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he voted in harris county. >> it's clear they're trying to create fear. there is a difference between massive voter fraud which doesn't exist, and innocent mistakes. we're still running down the details of this case. fundamentally what they're doing is tearing down our democracy, strengthening this idea that there is massive fraud, that weakens trust in our democracy. i don't want people to think that the law that is being proposed, the bill that is being proposed during this special session, is any better, that it's a watered down, somehow more palatable version. anything that builds on this lie to pass laws in order to make it harder to vote is threatening to democracy. it obviously makes it harder for certain groups to participate. but it is just a terrible path to go down. i'm so proud of these democrats. the situation is dire. we need support from the federal level. these guys deserve it.
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all of us in harris county and these brave, courageous legislators. >> it is horrific to see people being jailed for voting when they're registered to vote and believe they've done nothing wrong. armando martinez and judge hidalgo, thank you so much for coming on the show tonight. well, it's not just texas, of course. the republicans are voter suppressing all over the place. they want to do a fraud-it, shall we say, in pennsylvania. joining me now is pennsylvania state senate democratic leader costa. thank you so much for joining me tonight. what is happening in arizona, the fake audit is mad, it's ridiculous, local election officials in arizona have slammed it. are republicans in pennsylvania really going to copy arizona and do the same? >> they're trying to do that here in pennsylvania. and my colleagues in the senate democratic caucus are taking every step that we can to prevent them from continuing to put on this charade.
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we're fighting hard to make certain that our colleague, senator mastriano, doesn't get the opportunity to do audits. we're working closely with the attorney general and the governor's administration to prevent him from being able to conduct one of these audits. he doesn't have the authority because of a chairmanship of a seldom-used committee, certainly not used for this purpose, to conduct audits along these lines. we think it's the wrong thing to do, obviously, and we're going to continue to fight it. >> is joe biden, is the democratic president of the united states, your party leader, is the federal government, doing enough to help democrats like yourself in swing states like pennsylvania where republicans are in the majority in the legislature? >> i think they have done enough. i think they've been very clear about what needs to be done and the conversation that's taken place, it's simply that our republican colleagues in pennsylvania and across the country continue to travel down this path where they try to undermine the electoral process here in pennsylvania.
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we know that there were dozens and dozens of lawsuits that were filed, all against the -- trying to undermine the election. they were all unsuccessful. and many issues that have been developed along those lines, there has been no proof in pennsylvania as there has not been in many other states. the federal government has done what they can along those lines but collectively state legislatures across the country have to rebuke what's taking place along those lines and stand up and fight back against these type of things. >> and you also have the republicans, the party of prudence, the balanced budgets, small government, spending a fortune on this stuff. this is your state ag speaking on msnbc earlier. have a listen. >> this is one insurrectionist state senator who is being enabled by the modern day republican party, which is beholden to donald trump, who is demanding the private voting information of 997,000 pennsylvanians in an audit, if he were able to pull it off,
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which he won't be, that would cost the taxpayers of just those three counties alone over $30 million. so he's not only taking advantage of the taxpayers to the tune of 30 million bucks. what he's also doing is compromising their personal information. he will not get away with it. >> are pennsylvanians, republicans and democrats alike, okay with spending $30 million on this fraud-it? >> they're not. i think as the attorney general indicated, it's one person with some followers who are trying to accomplish this. we know taxpayers are outraged with respect to what's taking place in this whole audit conversation and are pushing back as well. there are reasonable democrats in our chamber who recognize, even some in the house, who have rejected audits, republicans who have said we will not do audits. this gentleman is going to continue to try to do this. there are many other things he's done. he's been part of the insurrection. he has no credibility with
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respect to the people in our building and i think what we have to do is continue to fight. that's what our caucus is going to do. >> fair enough. it will be a fight. pennsylvania senate democratic leader jay costa, thank you for your time tonight. coming up, time is of the essence. that's the message senate majority leader chuck schumer has for his caucus as their work kicks into high gear on the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the more partisan resolution. christina greer and jonathan alter join us next. reason, or fun. daring, or thoughtful. sensitive, or strong. progress isn't either or progress is everything.
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senate majority leader chuck schumer is warning his caucus is prepared to work through the august recess in order to pass the two-track infrastructure plan. well, good. today in a letter to senate democrats, schumer said my intention for this work period is for the senate to consider both the bipartisan infrastructure legislation and a
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budget resolution with reconciliation instructions, please be advised that time is of the essence and we have a lot of work to do. time is certainly of the essence, for all americans, as democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez pointed out on twitter in response to this video of a new york city expressway that flooded from heavy rain. the congresswoman said, quote, i'm so glad the filibuster is here to fix this, oh, wait. joining us now, christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university and jonathan alter, columnist for the daily beast and msnbc political analyst, author of "jimmy carter: a life." christina, pandemic. economic crisis. climate change induced disasters. at what point do democrats just get on with it and try and get this stuff passed asap? >> well, as someone who is coming to you from new york city, and we saw what happened
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yesterday, i really wish chuck schumer would read the book "master of the senate," about how lbj used his slim majority to get things done when he was senate majority leader. i'm really frustrated we keep talking about why won't the republicans compromise, why won't they work with us. clearly something needs to change and i'm putting some pressure at the feet of chuck shumer to make sure he puts his caucus firmly together and is able to strongarm certain republicans. the lead-based paint is in republican districts. let them think about how all this infrastructure not only connects us but relates to constituent services they should be concerned about. >> indeed. and jonathan, christina has put it as chuck schumer's feet. let's talk about what's at joe
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biden's feet. you wrote a book on fdr's 100 days. joe biden has rooseveltian ambitions. that means going with a bernie sanders-size reconciliation bill, around $6 trillion, not a joe manchin size, around $2 trillion. by all accounts the white house is leaning more towards the joe manchin size. what is your take on this? >> he does have rooseveltian ambitions and i think he's on the right track. i wouldn't be too hard on chuck schumer or joe biden. this is complicated. they have a slim majority and a smart two-track process where if they don't get what they want in the bipartisan bill, they can put more infrastructure into the so-called reconciliation bill. and they might not get to $6 trillion, but if you think about it, they've already got $1.9 trillion in public investment in the american rescue act that they did in february.
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so if you add that, you know, $2 trillion to the $4 trillion that they're likely to get this summer, in this infrastructure summer, that totals $6 trillion public investment. that is a huge amount of money. so the idea that somehow -- >> that's a good point. >> -- they will be betraying progressive dreams or something is just folly. this is unprecedented public investment, the largest bill in american history, the two of these together, if they go through. i believe they're on track to do it. they have a skillful legislative strategy. it's difficult but they're getting it done. >> i do hope you're right, jonathan. christine, jonathan mentioned progressive dreams. at what point do we see progressive democrats in the house flexing their political muscles? >> by the way, senator manchin,
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there are 221 of us who are in the same position in the house and another 49 in the senate who are just like you. every one of us basically has the leverage to kill or succeed in passing a resolution. and so the attention that's paid to him, i understand, but every one of us is in the same position. >> he's right, isn't he, christina? >> he is. i mean, we do know there are certain geographic advantages that certain senators play every now and again. i think the larger question, mehdi, is the diversity, the ideological diversity within the democratic party and all the different shades of blue. sadly, the progressives have been labeled as these people who are screaming at the sky asking for unreasonable things. what they're asking for is for people to pay their fair share of taxes. they're asking for the president and the republican party to think long term and critically
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about how this infrastructure and how the environment will affect all of us, not just democrats. what we're hearing is a frustration with a certain faction in the democratic colleagues, feeling, to jonathan's point, are way too eager to compromise and/or roll over for republican needs and wins. i think that's where some of the tension is coming from because many of the democrats are saying, the republicans asked for this so let's give them that and let's not fight too hard. many progressive democrats are saying, if we're the democrats we should be the ones willing to fight and we shouldn't just take $4 trillion and $2 trillion, if we want 6 we should ask for 6 because that's what we need for the crumbling infrastructure in our nation. >> jonathan, let me throw a question at you. some people say, fdr, lbj, they had big majorities in congress, joe biden doesn't. isn't that the whole reason he needs to move fast? if one single democratic
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senator, god forbid, were to pass away tomorrow, the window for action is very small. >> absolutely. there could be some external problem that gets everybody talking about something else, some international crisis or something. they must get this done during infrastructure summer or it may well not happen. so time is of the essence. progressives are right to press as hard as they can. at fdr said to a labor leader, make me, push me. that's important right now. but it's also important to remember that politics is the art of the possible and if at the end of the summer they don't get everything they want, progressives should still be celebrating because this will be an historic bill. you have to hold these two ideas in your mind at the same time, to keep the goals very ambitious, keep the pressure on, but also recognize that politics can be tough and to have some sympathy for legislators who are making the sausage.
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>> we're going to have to leave it there which is a shame because i thoroughly enjoyed that conversation. christina greer, jonathan alter, thank you so much for joining me tonight. coming up, the first sign that allen weisselberg's indictment is having an effect on the trump company. and somewhat does the indictment tell us about ivanka trump's potential legal generaljeopardy? that's next. don't go away. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google, turn up the heat. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ welcome to allstate, ♪
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larceny, tax fraud and falsifying records. the daily beast reports today that in addition to weisselberg, the indictment lists seven trump organization companies including one where ivanka trump held an executive role for eight years. according to the daily beast, while it's impossible to know what charges are still to come, legal experts say the indictment suggests bigger targets are in line, potentially including the former president's adult children. joining us now is david kay johnston, pulitzer prize winning investigative reporter who has done extensive reporting on donald trump's finances. and glenn kirchner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. thank you both for joining me this evening. another big story about trump and his finances. david, is this news out of scotland, the weisselberg removal, is this the trump organization trying to do damage control at one of its more prestigious outlets, the trump international golf course? what exactly is going on here,
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how big a deal is it? >> well, the one thing we know for sure is that allen weisselberg is still working for donald trump. so this does not represent a split between them, which is what prosecutors would really like to get, because it would make it much easier to make a case against donald trump. it suggests to me, and i'll be fascinated with what glenn thinks about this, donald may be trying to consolidate closer to the family, as close as allen weisselberg has been for 48 years, he's not family. and secondly, there is an effort in scotland to pursue what's called unexplained wealth inquiry. would that we had a law like that in america. it may be lawyers have advised him to remove as a controlling person allen weisselberg as they try and avoid this unexplained wealth. >> glenn, from allen weisselberg to ivanka trump, given the daily
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beast's reporting about her reporting in some of these businesses. how worried should she and her brothers be that at some point the manhattan prosecutors come after them too? >> mehdi, there's pretty clear foreshadowing in the 24-page indictment handed down by the grand jury. the evidence of allen weisselberg's guilt is overwhelming, from two different sets of books to an indication that weisselberg's own tax preparer has flipped on him, and a paper trail that he was evading taxes. probably the most ominous part of that indictment is there are two unnamed people, presumably fairly high up in the trump organization, who enjoyed the same criminal perks that allen weisselberg enjoyed. they haven't been named yet. but we have to ask ourselves,
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who are two other individuals who would have been high up enough in the organization, and firmly entrenched enough in donald trump's inner circle that they may have enjoyed the same off-the-books compensation as allen weisselberg? could their last name be trump? we will know soon enough. >> it's a very, very, very good question, glenn. david, just returning to weisselberg, there was some hope he might turn on trump, flip. but he hasn't. he's risking a prison sentence. you've been following the donald, you've known him personally for decades. why do some people risk and even do jail time for this most disloyal the bosses, michael cohen, paul manafort, michael flynn, et cetera? >> people who work for donald trump are people who are willing to give up their own independence. allen weisselberg is a wholly-owned psychological subsidiary of donald trump's criminal mind. if you work for donald at any
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high level position, you have to commit criminal offenses and they've committed many of them over the years. it would be difficult to get weisselberg to flip in any circumstance. there is no minimum prison sentence in the indictment that he now faces. he could get in theory 15 years. he's a first time offender, he's in his 70s, probably would get probation or at worst, home confinement. that's probably not enough to get him to flip. on the other hand, if they were to charge his sons, we've heard a lot about their family dynamics. >> oh, yeah. glenn, last quick question to you, you and i have had this discussion many times before, my friend, donald trump, his organization may go down for some sort of tax corruption crimes. but there are bigger crimes he should be prosecuted for, right? >> yeah. donald trump is a federal problem and we need a federal solution. it's wonderful that new york has
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finally gotten off its duff and it seems like they're indicting him for the crimes he seems to have been engaged in for some time. it's great that georgia is investigating him for potential violation of georgia state election laws. but he's a federal problem. he's committed federal crimes against the united states. and we need a federal solution. that looks like an indictment from the department of justice. >> i mean, 600,000 people are dead because of this guy, let's just be clear about that. david kay johnston, glenn kirchner, thank you so much for your time tonight. coming up, joe biden's big populist punch at corporate power, that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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when in-flight wi-fi is dodgy. that happens to me all the time and it's infuriating. zephyr teachout called it joe biden's big punch to corporate monopolies. quote, presidential power in this area is technically limited but vast in practice. a clear signal of purpose and vision from the president has in practice an enormous energizing effect. this executive order is arguably most significant for the economic world view it represents. if biden keeps going down this road it suggests a massive realignment to the democratic party and a return to 1940s to 1970s attitude toward corporate concentration. wow. joining us now is zephyr teachout, professor at fordham law school and author. jennifer, welcome to the show. you were a bernie sanders supporter in 2020, a big joe biden critic, i remember well. how surprised are you by this trust busting, populist economic
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announcement today from this president? >> actually at this point it's a little less surprising. but if you would have asked me a year ago, i would be very surprised. i'll explain. he's made a series of exciting choices, particularly appointing lena khan and bringing in tim wu to the white house, bringing in economic populists to key positions. having said that, today's move was a really significant signal from the top. it's joe biden himself saying in an extraordinary speech, you quoted part of it, that the economic policy of the last 40 years has failed. and he actually, in both the speech and the comments accompanying the 72 directives, used the language of failure, saying the last 40 years we've gone along and allowed for
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corporate concentration, which is bad for workers, bad certainly for consumer prices, and bad for inequality. it really was a statement of economic philosophy that was really exciting to see. >> out of all the things he announced today, and he announced a lot, 70 different directives, only some of which i mentioned a moment ago, what stood out to you the most? what do you think is the most important and most significant? >> i think the most important are the suite of directives related to labor markets. and what we have seen, again, for generations, is that the federal trade commission and other enforcers have focused on consumer prices. and in as much as they have used their power, it has been really focused on consumer welfare. there is a series of directives, including to ban noncompete agreements. it's really significant. this affects maybe 30 million
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americans. and you can see biden get really worked up about the unfairness of this, that we allow companies to say, hey, you can only work for me if you agree to not work for my competitors. this is the epitome of anticompetitive practice. it's those particular rules but also the fact that he is focusing on labor markets and what we would call monopsony power where the buyer of labor and other products uses their buying power to squeeze value. there's another significant directive addressing making sure that -- >> so for these big buyers, these big corporations, they're not just going to sit back and take this, are they? they have their army of lobbyists, the members of congress they fund on both sides of the aisle. what should we expect in terms
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of corporate backlash to this really important anti-monopoly executive order? >> there are three things biden did today. one is he laid out a vision, the second is he issued these directives, and third is he set up a council to ride herd on the agencies to make sure they would follow through. i think that's actually quite important, because what you know is happening already is swarming and swamping the agents with corporate arguments against this kind of rule making. so it's important that biden made clear that it's not just a moment in time where he issues these directives, but the white house will be following up. what have you done, why haven't you done it, what is your argument here for not moving fast? and for a long time, especially from the democratic camp, you've seen hesitation to use rule making. and this is very clearly a recognition that the agencies are going to be running into lobbyists, so the white house needs to be the countervailing
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force, giving those agencies that want to act, the cover. and really kicking those that want to relax back into a less aggressive mode, to say, hey, get your act together, we've got to -- as biden said, a major problem, a major problem in our economy. and -- >> zephyr, lets hope joe biden stays the course. >> yes. >> let's hope joe biden stays the course. i'm sure you'll continue to hold his feet to the fire. zephyr teachout, offer of "break them up," thank you for joining us on the show tonight. coming up, the most dangerous republican member of congress is maybe not the one dropping nazi references for the tv cameras. we'll tell you who it is and why, next. there's an america we build and one we explore. one that's been paved and one that's forever wild.
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marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz shamelessly spew white nationalist ideology and talking points. political message is beyond extreme but they're more or less carnival barkers, in it for the self-promotion. bigger danger is house republicans like paul gosar, he fliesar the flies under the radar, not as loud a talker. before the insurrection, said this. >> once we conquer the hill, donald trump will return to being president. >> been accused as one of the organizers of the stop the steal rally that sparked the insurrection. >> i came up with the january 6th idea with congressman gosar. >> on january 6th, paul gosar
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posted photos of the rally that turned into violent mob and now he's embraced white nationalist leader nick fuentes, growing acceptance of extremism, accused of holocaust denial and said the founders never intended for america to be refugee camp for non-white people. he was keynote speaker at conference for him. written to fbi to defend him and nick fuentes claimed to be fundraising for him. today twitter finally suspended fuentes but gosar continues to spew hate as member of congress and kevin mccarthy says nothing. jennifer gosar, paul gosar's younger sister and outspoken
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critic. and school of communication american university faculty fellow of extremism research and innovation lab. curt, how dangerous to have elected members of the united states congress playing footsie with holocaust deniers and white nationalists, tweeting out their talking points? >> extremely dangerous. gosar not a speaker but a doer. one of the biggest dangers of individuals like gosar is not just what he says but things he doesn't say. trying to distance himself now from nick fuentes and america first movement but fact that fuentes and other far right groups think they have ally in elected representative in congress is a huge boon for them, regardless of what gosar says or doesn't say.
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>> yes, it is, sadly. jennifer, you and your siblings grabbed headlines in 2018 when you told voters in arizona not to vote for your brother and accused him of anti-semitism, bold move. he's only become worse. i guess it's difficult having family name gosar when he's most famous one of you. >> yes, it is, but it's important no matter what the name is to stand up to it every way, shape or form. i agree, he's a very powerful force within this type of cult fascist group of people, right, paul is there. he was proponent of the big lie. constantly out at rallies. alexander is not referring to him out of nowhere. multiple tweets back and forth. nick fuentes, in spanish the source or something.
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he is a garbage fountain, a garbage source and paul has been with him time and again. where is censor, where is expulsion, where are the charges? >> republican party becomes more radicalized and racist. i remember sarah palin, michelle backman, donald trump, now it's in congress. i feel like if party leadership wanted to stop it, it's too late. this is what the grand old party is now. >> seems extremely difficult to do so, i think you're absolutely right. in the wake of the donald trump presidency, left a huge constituency of individuals on the far right. what we see now are individuals left in the republican party trying to scrape up the constituents.
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large number of disaffected individuals who feel the election was stolen, and officials see it as a political opportunity for themselves. unfortunately serves politician to get the constituents and serves far right constituents, because they get the legitimacy of having a politician on their side. >> yeah. jennifer, no one expects kevin mccarthy to do anything about your brother but what about the democrats? hear more public criticism of his role in the insurrection and big lie from his siblings than from nancy pelosi or other house democratic leader. >> we've been scratching our heads to figure it out as well. they're in every way, shape or form, a lynch mob going after mike pence, and differently targeting nancy pelosi, the squad and others. squad has been outspoken in so many parts of this corrupt past
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four years, and continue on, but nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, honestly where is the democratic leadership? i really only hear from jayapal, my representative here in washington state and didn't take her up on the charges and investigation she initiated. i don't know what they -- their lives were in danger and allowing one more day for paul and his ilk to fundraise to distract with ashli babbitt and other things, continues the narrative and the machine rolling. >> every day he teem seems to get more extreme and no ethics complaints or charges, stripping of committee assignments just look at marjorie taylor greene's carnival barking. wrote this in a report. fuentes largely avoids blatant
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white supremacist language, focuses on anti-establishment thinks, targeting mainstream and leftists, this allows america first to attract younger, mainstream conservatives then exposed to the ideology. that is happening across parts of the right and online. it's popular sadly with a lot of people. >> absolutely. we just finished a study at polarization and extremism innovation lab and found individuals exposed to these memes and messages through what we call subversive outlets, are more likely to be persuaded by right-wing propaganda. getting in front of eyes and appealing. don't seem overtly racist at first but turn that direction and these individuals are vulnerable to persuasion by
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right-wing propaganda, it is scary and they are persuading people. thanks for your analysis and time tonight. that is tonight's "the last word." "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. good evening, once again, i'll ali velshi in for brian williams, 171 of the biden administration. major change from the cdc involving one of the most divisive issues to ever emerge during the pandemic -- the agency urging schools to fully reopen this fall, even if they're unable to put into place all the recommended steps to keep the virus from spreading. also says unvaccinated students and staff members should continue wearing masks. those who are vaccinated, should not. we'll ask a doctor and about the confusion of the booster shots

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