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or term contract required. see if you can save by switching today. comcast business. powering possibilities. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. the justice department views donald trump's lies and the propaganda spread on right-wing news as so dangerous it is citing both of them by name in its efforts to detain an accused insurrectionist. former president trump continues to make false claims about the election, insinuate that he may be reinstalled in the near future as president without another election. television networks continue to carry and report on those claims with some actually giving credence to the false reporting. the defendant in the case is not a good candidate to be out in
the community without electronic monitoring to ensure the safety of the community and the safety of democracy in the current environment. now the defendant is a person named alex hearkreiter accused of carrying a tomahawk onto the capitol grounds and talking of war. it comes about the radicalization of donald trump supporters and one of the first cases in which we're learning about insurrectionists being monitored by federal investigators. from "the washington post," quote, after swarming the capitol on january 6, a northern virginia man began forming his own militia-like group and building up a supply of explosives under the guise of a bible study group. according to the court documents he toured the building in lorton, virginia, where he talked about testing out explosives. the court docs say this. quote, on the morning of january 6, 2021, fi duong and an
associate of his introduced themselves to a metropolitan police department undercover employee who was in the vicinity of freedom plaza in d.c. duong asked if he or she was a patriot to which the agent responded in the affirmative and asked duong the same thing. duong responded by claiming to be an operator. duong also coordinated additional surveillance efforts on the united states capitol. there is also brand-new evidence today of the harrowing scene at the capitol on january 6th. this afternoon the justice department has released police body cam video under court order, and we have to warn you it is incredibly disturbing. it appears to show police being dragged into the mob.
and as if to prove the garland justice department is absolutely correct about the threat posed by trump and right-wing cable, the twice impeached president's ongoing devotion to the very lies that fueled the deadly insurrection and an ongoing extremism warning from the department of homeland security. "wall street journal" reporter michael bender writes this about the reporting in his new book. quote, when trump and i talked he avoided multiple queries about his plans. instead he redirected almost every question back to his claims of the stolen election. our second interview was interrupted by a call from an attorney, an attorney with the status update from his ongoing pursuit of fraud allegations in arizona. the ex-president and right-wing cable news as a clear and present danger is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. nbc washington investigative reporter scott mcfarlane is
here, an msnbc contributor, and sam, white house editor for politico and an msnbc contributor. scott, i have to give you credit for flagging most of these headlines we're starting with for me. why don't you take me through, first, this new video and, second, this finding that because of the lies that the ex-president continues to tell and because of the way they're amplified on right-wing media it is not safe for the community and the document says or democracy itself to have the defendants and the insurrection investigation roaming around unsurveilled. >> nicolle, good afternoon. let's begin with the video. it's so visceral. it's released under court order by the u.s. justice department. body worn camera footage, more from police officers who are not only on the front lines that day but being assaulted that day. these videos are illustrative of the visceral combat on the front lines. they're also being used as evidence to try to hold some of
these defendants in jail pending trial. that's really where we are in so many of these cases. we're not ready for trial, for key hearings on the evidence. we're trying to litigate whether they should be held behind bars until we get to those hearings. these videos are a trigger. they are violent. they're difficult to watch. now about that case you told us about earlier. this could be the biggest criminal investigation in u.s. history. there are thousands of court filings. that case is why we read every one of them, footnotes included. this was a rather low profile motion litigating his release conditions, how many restrictions he should be under. at the bottom of page three, nicolle, they say one of the reasons he should stay under severe restrictions is donald trump continues to insinuate he could be coming back to office in august and that some national media, right-wing media, are perpetuaing that lie, making him a danger, making others a
danger. now this is just the federal prosecutors, nicolle, going a step further and a step further in bringing donald trump's name into some of these cases. >> joyce vance, it has the added credibility of the department of homeland security and the united states intelligence agencies reaching the same conclusions, that domestic violence extremists are an added danger to the american homeland because of the lies from the ex-president and because of the way they're amplified by right-wing media. i wonder whether this is just a new normal, though. what michael bender has reported, that we led the show with, is the ex-president doesn't knock down any of these things and right-wing media has now turned ashli babbitt, the insurrectionist who was killed at the capitol, into a martyr. >> i think we're at this
difficult juncture we're seeing something new happening, and scott is right to flag this relatively low-level motion because what prosecutors were arguing here this wasn't the original detention motion. he had been in detention for about 60 days and he wanted out from under what he considered to be a very onerous condition. he didn't want to have monitoring anymore. this wasn't even gps monitoring that would have monitored his every move. it was satellite monitoring that would have alerted probation if he left his home when he wasn't supposed to do that. he said, i don't want to be involved with this sort of monitoring anymore. and so the government is making the argument this is an individual who is volatile, who went to the capitol on january 6 because of the incitement led by the then president of the united states and that he is still vulnerable because trump continues to let this message go out that he's going to be reinstated somehow. and what the government is, in
essence, saying these people who gathered on january 6, they could do it again because this message and tv channels and other social media are carrying out his message, and we are a country at risk. they could not be saying that any more clearly. as you say, nicolle, that likely is our new normal at this point. >> that is so depressing. sam, i want you to hit pause on two things. here is what the united states department of justice is arguing. the defendant chose to travel to washington, d.c., to disrupt the transition of power and overthrow the government. the defendant did this based on his apparent belief that the november 3, 2020, election was somehow fraudulent. now that he's released, it is more important than ever to ensure the safety of the community. the danger is heightened. that what the republicans have
done by creating a permissive conduct by saying it was peaceful tourists, by refusing to admonishing the ex-president like on the day of the attack on the capitol and the vice president, what the justice is arguing that now if he is released it is more important than ever to monitor him. talk about what's happening right before our eyes. >> first off, i want to take a point and say to scott thank you for your reporting on this. you've been a great resource for all of the prosecutions and happenings from january 6th. thank you. nicolle, to your point, yeah, it's a depressing and fascinating political story to follow. what we've seen, in essence is the republican party, all but a few members of it, essentially try to sweep this under the rug.
when i saw the video that scott posted today i immediately thought of the georgia congressman who was on that day barricading the doors but since then has called it akin to a tourist visit. and if you're willing to essentially forgive that type of activity, then, of course, it could fester. of course it could happen again if there's no consequences for it. yes, it can happen. and all i can think about now we dispatched a reporter at politico from a recent rally in ohio. she made the very keen observation that there was sort of a dark, even more dark than usual undertone to that rally. the people there, maybe in 2016, they were animated by some of those anti-immigrant sentiments, some of the crude nature. they also rallied around him because they felt like he was speaking to the forgotten man. that's really not apparent in any of the trump rallies that have happened so far in his re-emergence on the political scene. it's rallies of anger that the
election was stolen and fostered by trump. it's coming from the top down. if you want to call it an active threat, sure. but it is from a political standpoint trump taking advantage of the sense of agrievement. the question is what will happen in the future? will he have another instance just like that? >> well, and, scott, trump's political future is of no interest to me, but trump as a clear and present danger in the eyes of the united states department of justice is just a shocking moment in this country's history. if it doesn't shock you, there's something wrong with you. what is ushered in is the scoop this morning from punch bowl news that there's inadequate funding to pay the capitol police officers. i will play that video for the last time. it's so upsetting and little kiddos should not see this.
this is how donald trump supporters treated the police on january 6th. can we play it one more time, control room? and this is the scoop this morning. capitol police will run out of money in mid-august. but they might be able to stretch out the process and transfer some money from other sources, a source familiar with the situation confirmed to nbc news. the police issued a statement saying the agency, quote, continues to advise and work with lawmakers to ensure they can continue to protect the capitol and members of congress. i don't have any words for that. so they deny the horrors. what we just played is everyone can see with their own eyes.
the heinous way donald trump supporters treated the capitol police and the equally way republican lawmakers are treating their own protective force. what is the breaking point here? >> let me add my own reporting to that great punch bowl news report. i got reporting that in 2020 capitol police incurred 700,000 hours of overtime. so this post-insurrection world presents an even larger crisis. the u.s. house passed a bill to fund them. in this harkrider case we see makeshift weapons growing and growing, tomahawk ax, add that to hockey stick, baseball bat, metal pole, knives, scissors, bear spray, zip ties and in at least three cases guns. people were here ready for action, nicolle. >> to that point, joyce, i want to ask you about new politico reporting.
the federal government has agreed to pay $6.1 million to create a database for capitol riot prosecutions and to create a massive database of these videos that they've been releasing, photographs, documents and social media posts as part of the process of turning relevant evidence over to defense attorneys. my question to you is could that become part of the sort of public record? could that become part of what congress has to draw from in their investigation? >> so that raises a really interesting point because discovery in these criminal cases presence a real challenge to the u.s. attorney in the district of columbia who is coordinating everything and it's typical in big paper cases or white collar cases to use the sort of cloud-based discovery where you make everything available. whether that will automatically be turned over to congress i think is an open question. certainly the january 6th commission should negotiate with
doj to make this material public. it will become public if it's entered into the public record as exhibits at trial or as exhibits at plea hearings or sentencing hearings. and this is part of this very important process of confirming the truth about what happened on january 6th for the american people given the ridiculous ongoing allegations made by members of congress. the notorious line about this just being an average tourist day at the capitol. it is important the real story depicted in video and audio be preserved for americans. >> preserving the facts for americans is an important public service, a lesson in extremism, about disinformation about autocracy. aside from the lessons right
now, sam, you have this paralysis. i've talked to some members of the committee. it's not clear any subpoenas have gone out. you can see him doing it on pay-per-view. where do you think the rubber hits the road? where do you think the investigation in congress becomes a serious full-time transparent operation? >> it really depends on how aggressive the select committee wants to be, right? they will have subpoena power. how will they deploy it? will they go into some aggressive litigating posture when inevitably the president or
republican leaders scoff at the idea they have to produce records which would detail the main lingering questions, ones we've talked about on this program. the larger sort of macro point of what is taking so long, right, we're six, seven months away from the incident -- six months, sorry. my math is terrible. we have obviously the doj doing its prosecutions. congress has really not done much. the republican party has more or less decided it's fine to move on. all the talk early on that there would be consequences, that impeachment wasn't necessary because there would be consequences has proven false. as you keep going further and further away from the day itself, the impetus to do anything about it, to have any resolution or achieve one, grows more and more diminished. if you're someone who does believe in accountability, if
you believe that learning the facts and looking backwards and not repeating history matters, you surely are depressed by the pace at which this is going. there's a lot of work that still remains to be done. >> i mean, color me depressed. scott, what questions do you have in terms of what you're learning from the charging documents and the indictments themselves? where would you advise sort of a congressional probe looking at a bigger picture to pick up? >> well, in the congressional probe, it should cover the things the justice department is not. the justice department's investigating criminals and defendants not the anti-cedent. if we're looking at where do we stand in this investigation, if you pick your feet up, you'll see the starting line. there's a long way to go. the more donald trump's name comes up in the justice department's filings, the more intriguing that provocative question becomes. >> it's a great point. a great point to sart with and a great point to end on. there's always been a lot of
skepticism this probe would make its way to the ex-president's desk and, you're right, these charging documents, at least make that a relevant question. i want to add my thanks to you, scott, for staying on this and bringing all of our attention. scott macfarlane and joyce vance, thank you for starting us off. sam stein will stay around. the reverend al sharpton spent close to two hours with president biden and vice president harris working on a plan to fight the gop voting restriction laws. plus, the latest jab from a republican senator against the u.s. military. this time it's senator tom cotton calling for a professor at the air force academy to be fired for daring to discuss race with her students. and tennis star naomi osaka breaking her silence after her bold stand at the french open. one long time reporter calling it a watershed moment for the
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democracy is under vigorous, vicious and sinister attack. >> what we emphasized to the president is that our backs are against the wall this is the moment. there is no more time. >> this will be a summer of activism, a summer of getting back in the streets, a summer of saying to the senate and the congress you may be going home, but it's going to be warmer
politically than you think. >> civil rights leaders calling on this administration to help them take action against voter restriction laws that are sweeping this country. the top leaders are gathering with president biden and vice president harris yesterday for nearly two hours and when our friend al sharpton described as a, quote, very candid, no holds barred meeting, expressing serious concern over the dangerous anti-voting efforts and arguing for the joint cooperation of the white house, the congress and local leaders. urging the administration to take more assertive action and speak louder against the attacks on our democracy. also, making it clear this will be the summer of activism and pledging to take to the streets to do the same. joining us now the reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation." sam stein is still with us. rev, how blunt did it get in there? did you lay it all out?
>> very blunt. i think we made it very clear to the president the outrage that people feel all over this country that we are sitting at a time with the supreme court last week saying you can change the voting restrictions, the voting operations in a state as long as you don't just outright tell people they can't vote. if you make it more difficult. if you cut down on voting sites, if you do anything to make it inconvenient. well, that really doesn't affect their right to vote which, in effect, is saying to states, do what you want to do if you want to make it difficult based on race, based on the geography of a state and we're not going to rule against you. this is dangerous. this is why we wanted to meet with the president. he invited us in and to say we want to see you and the vice president use your bully pulpit
and your negotiating skills in the senate and the congress. but we're going to mobilize a movement all over this country just like they have a movement around the big lie and have put so much pressure on republicans in the senate that they are afraid to move. we're going to build a movement to let people understand it's going to cost you politically if you do not bring laws to protect our right to vote. >> i want to ask you to describe this president's state of mind about these laws on a personal level. i was thinking back to how he became the democratic nominee and in no uncertain terms the only reason he prevailed is because african-american men and women young and old in south carolina picked him. they pick him over people who had been winning the earlier primaries and caucuses and he marched to the nomination after that. is he motivated by doing the right thing and is he motivated
by understanding the voters who made him the nominee and then went on and supported his general election campaign are the very voters republicans are seeking to disenfranchise? >> you know, candidly, i think he's motivated by both. he said in the meeting things that would lead you to believe both. one he said at some point one of us was speaking about the strength of the black vote and what black women did and he said, yes, and i wouldn't be sitting in this chair if it wasn't for black women votes and the community. he voluntarily said that. he also said in a give and take that he and i had about the years that we knew each other, the obama years and i referred to -- i did an interview about those years and he said, yes, and i do not want history to say under joe biden that the vote was weakened among people of color. so i think he has a sense of what is right and i think he
also has a sense that he is in office because people came out in the communities that are now under threat and voted for him even though he came in way behind in some states leading up to south carolina. and i think that is why it is not falling on deaf ears. i think he's trying to wrestle with strategically that will help. i don't think it's a question of moving forward but he understands we cannot wait on him to figure that out. we have to mobilize. we have to go in these states and give people a choice that are in the senate. are you more afraid of right wingers that want to believe the big lie and limit our right to vote, or are you more afraid of us that will vote you out and we have to stand in line ten hours and go to drop boxes that are not there and go to the next place? either way you have to make a choice. right now the other side is on
the ground and mobilizing. now the browns and others are energizing and we are going to be doing that nationally. we have this big march on the 3rd and i have called along in washington in august because we want them to understand this is not going to be a one-sided fight. you think the people on the ground that you are afraid of are the only ones out there. we're going to show you mobilization and you're going to understand that you can lose because we are the margin of difference if many of these states where they're acting now like only donald trump and his movement exists. there will be and must be another movement. >> sam stein, the problem, i guess, for this president is that you can already accurately say that under joe biden the vote was restricted. there are 22 voter restriction laws that have been signed into law. that has already happened. so under joe biden voting is
harder than it was under donald trump because those laws are new. they were passed after donald trump lost. and my question for you is do you see something i don't see? in your coverage, are there frantic working groups? the only way to actually undo all of them is federal voting rights legislation. that's it. the lawsuits will take years. merrick garland filed one in georgia. the judge says it's waiting for the underlying case. there isn't a strategy in 48 states before the midterms. unless they're ready to move them in they need to do something more quickly than sue. do you detect any signs of life for legislative solution? >> no, no. i don't want to make the
reverend's optimism sound misplaced because he has more history and the pressure points with mobilization movements than i do and it's perfectly possible the sort of on the ground grassroots efforts he's envisioning can have an impact on how lawmakers do this. are there ten republican senators in which the african-american vote is substantial enough in their state to potentially cause them to second-guess their position? i can't figure out the ten. maybe there's a handful here and there. that's the fundamental problem that faces joe biden and democrats at-large right now. they have an institutional hurdle in the form of a filibuster that prevents them from moving federal legislation about 60 votes. and they do not have the 50 votes to change the rule. any legislative remedy you're
talking about and that's the crux of it. you can have doj lawsuits, you can mobilize and right now the avenue for doing that is fully closed. >> rev, this is the sort of blunt, ugly, very undesirable truth of the situation. the last time a party denied history, doj just described donald trump and fox news as clear and present threats to the democracy and arguing they can't let insurrectionists roam their communities. they threaten, quote, our democracy. you have another security election if you want it. do you think democrats understand the opportunity they have if they act quickly enough
to protect not just the right to vote but to have fair and honest arbiters of the vote like people who walked the line for our democracy last november. >> i think that democrats understand what we make them understand. you must remember if you go back to when i was a kid or even before my time when they did the civil rights moment in the '50s and the '60s they made the democratic party understand it. kennedy and johnson were not leading the movement. i agree you can't count ten states right now but i can think of some states that the margin of victory can be tipped by those voters of conscience in those states. a real good contender that gets
an unusual turnout in the states we may not be the majority but could be the difference. you can have a real threat. the other part of that is if you have the right kind of mobilization, nicolle and sam, you would then make the democrats and republicans have to deal with the question of the 60 votes and the filibuster. can you make the workaround work or can you deal with the filibuster? either way we will make this deal. what is nonnegotiable we're not going to let them continue this growing pattern that has already happened as you cite several states to erode our democratic ability to exercise our vote. so whether we get to a point where it's the filibuster has to go or we have to figure out the states that the votes are going to matter, what is not on the table is that we're going to allow this to continue to go through all 50 states.
that's not going to happen. and the way we were able to get the voting rights bill in the first place it came from the ground up. it didn't come from the beltway down. that's what we will have to do this time. >> we will be watching you every step of the way. the rev al is staying with us. after the break, why a republican senator, an army vet, is taking aim at the military. the latest twist in the gop culture war.
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the gop continues its public relations offensive against the united states military this week all in the name of its favorite target and talking point, critical race theory. after an associate professor at the air force academy wrote an op-ed explaining why she teaches it to her cadets was hit with criticism by members of congress including tom cotton, a former army captain, who responded the professor had, quote, no business teaching the constitution or political science at the air force academy. we should not be teaching cadets. the ceo of the iraq and offensive veterans of america. the rev al sharpton is still here. i want to start with you, jeremy, and the broader battlefield. general milley stepped right
into it. the war goes on from the right. >> it does, unfortunately. i loved chairman milley's comments because i think they were right on and especially with senator cotton talking about air force academy, all the service academies. really to use a phrase the best and the brightest that are going to lead service members in all branches and shouldn't be scared of them hearing some theories you might not agree with. they are going to be in charge of and responsible for incredibly complex operations, hundreds and hundreds of individuals. this is the type of thing they need to be exposed to before they go out there and are leaders on the battlefield. >> and this is the point the professor makes. let me read this. as a professor of political science at the u.s. air force academy, i teach critical race theories to our nation's future military leaders because it is vital that cadets understand the
history of the racism that has shaped both foreign and domestic policy. cadets, like all military members, take an oath to defend the constitution with their lives. it's crucial they have a sensitive understanding of that constitution. i don't coddle y cadets that they might be uncomfortable. they must be equipped to participate bravely on the battlefield of ideas. is this about the right trying to dumb down the military? general milley spoke toe eloquently about the need to understand the history, the history of antebellum laws and debating a political class, i guess, the removal of confederate statues. what do you dedeuce the republican party wants?
let me hear from the rev first and i'll come right back to you. >> i think it is clearly an attempt to dumb down. they are saying you should serve in the military, go and fight and stand in risk of your own lives for an idea you should not even dig down and find out what that idea is in terms of saying the american democratic way of life and the history that led to that. just go and fight. you're a robot. you do with a we tell to you do. you don't think. the sad part about this, nicolle, when we talk about critical race theory it gives the idea to some that we're talking about tea rhettcal things. a lot are just facts. when you deal with segregation in the armed forces, how blacks were treated, and they ought to understand that history so they
understand what they're standing on and for people to say they should just go out like some trained animals and fight and not think or not know what they're fighting for should be insulting to the men and women in the military. >> i want to add to our conversation for our viewers the response from dod. quote, that a professor at an academic institution such as the air force academy teaches a given theory as part of an elective course does not in the slightest way signify a larger effort to teach, espouse or embrace said theory. we expect our professors to challenge the minds of future leaders and we respect their academic independence. that was john kirby, the pentagon spokesman. >> absolutely, and he's right. they will be challenged in many, many larger, more challenging ways not to reuse the word challenging so many times. that's the fact.
they are already in a service that is facing a lot of challenges. the air force knows this. they're dealing with sexual assault issues, the air force has a known history of punishing black airmen at higher rates than their white counterparts. this isn't something theoretical. this is the reality they are entering where there will be a lot of challenge. senator cotton is on the judiciary committee, on the armed services committee. his leadership is blocking changing the way the military deals with sexual assault and harassment. and it's unfortunate because this is a bipartisan, has broad support, support at the pentagon and support all the way on down. we need to be addressing the real problems not the manufactured problems. >> thank you both so much for spending some time with us on
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and if we don't fit that expectation of what people think we're supposed to be, good. >> so over the past couple of years we have seen athletes use their platforms to really speak out and affect social change. the latest is tennis superstar naomi osaka who is ready to take on the tokyo olympics. she is the first japanese-born player to win a grand slam and will represent japan this summer. after shocking the tennis world and taking a break from tennis in may to focus on her mental health. in a new essay in time magazine she says stepping away from the french open helped her grow and taught her valuable lessons. quote, lesson one, you can never please everyone. the world is as divided now as i can remember it in my short 23 years. issues that are so obvious to me at face value like wearing a mask or kneeling to show support for anti-racism are ferociously contested. i mean, wow. so when i said i needed to miss
the french open press conferences to take care of myself mentally, i should have been prepared for what unfolded. i try to push myself to speak up for what i believe to be right but it often comes at a cost of great anxiety. i feel uncomfortable being the spokesperson or face of athlete mental health as it's still so new to me and i don't have all the hope that people can relate and understand it is okay not to be okay. it is okay to not talk about it. there are people who can help, and there's usually light at the end of any tunnel. joining us now is carrie champion, host of the "naked with carrie champion." and we tried to have this conversation yesterday, breaking news intervened. i will get your thoughts on that at the end. but why was this -- i talked to someone from the tennis world today and i said, why is she so riveting? why did this bring everything to a halt? she said, you know, one, she didn't have a lot of support from the other players.
you know, this was really her taking a stand for her, but she said on the other hand it could be a water shed moment. how do you see this? >> naomi in so many ways, and we look back in history there are these what i like to call people who were perfect, the perfect storm. they come together and they take these stances that are very controversial for whatever reasons, but they are the perfect candidate, the perfect person for it. in the sense that she's really great at what she does, she is excellent, right? you know, the first japanese woman player to be ranked number one at the wga, then she quietly just leads, gets along with most people, don't have any problems, and then she turns around and says, i'm going to protest during the u.s. open and i'm going to wear masks every single day that i get on that main court so you know each mask will represent a name of someone who died. that was so controversial. it reminded me, and this is me going way back, what you hear about arthur ash. he was a quiet, strong leader.
that is what naomi is. the reason she got so much puckback is because the tennis world got less than -- they just do not want to have any type of controversy. they want the rules to be the same. so what she is experiencing on a smaller level in the world of tennis is what we're experiencing. this is a new generation. these are new players. they have a new approach to life. the rules have to change. the etiquette has to change. her saying it is okay not to be okay is a beautiful thing, but the problem is that we are in a world of information and everyone felt they were entitled to find out why she did not feel okay and did not want to hold any press conferences. >> yeah. i mean when i read it, i have a physical reaction to that line. when you repeat it, i have a physical reaction to that line. it is okay to not be okay. i mean you are right, of course, about everything that you are saying about her and about her sport, but it is also we are terribly think as a media at covering mental health, mental
wellness, mental illness, all of it. we suck at it. she is making us sort of stare at it, and it is like looking at the sun. it is excruciating for so many people, but if the last year and a half taught us anything it is that we are so much less without connections, wherever they come from. and just to your point about this perfect storm, what does that conversation look like if more than just naomi are leading it? >> you know, it is beautiful that you bring that up. i think you're right. the last year and a half has put a huge spotlight on mental health. there are athletes obviously who have talked about this before. we have kevin loven, nba, rosen in the nba, michael phelps has talked about mental health. it is becoming more common. but do we grab this story? do we in the media pay attention to the story? for whatever reasons, this young lady has got our attention, and i could give you a list of reasons as to why. but what is happening is that we're going to have to adjust to
a world that is so different, and we cannot continue to ignore it, be as pro. meaning like we can't continue to say everything is fine, put your head down and do your job. do you see what happened in the last year and a half? it is impossible for some people to continue to return to the office, maybe return back to whatever normal looks like, and she has pointed this out in so many eloquent ways. i hate that she had so much push back because she simply said she wanted a mental health day. you and i work in a business where mental health days are imperative. if we don't have a mental health day, then how do we get to do what we do? how do we not turn off so we can come back and fill our cup back up and do work? that's all she was simply saying, and the conversation now has to be about the french open and the standards that they have, and the u.s. open and the way that the tennis world is approaching this. in this society you know what we do? we look the other way. we decide not to pay attention because it is too complicated and it is too involved.
that's why the world, as she pointed out, is so divided more than ever in her short 23 years. i believe she is absolutely right. we can no longer look away. >> well, and it is this recurring theme of the last five years where nothing is sacred, nothing is spared, not even the things we cherish most universally, you know, the brilliance and the greatness of these, you know, superior athletes, and her athleticism is so spectacular but she has been very much of the moment. you're right. someone said to me, you know, some people are asking, you know, is it a saying the sport is bigger than she is. why can't the sport be big enough for her to be in it on whatever terms she want to be in it on, and other athletes as well? >> by the way, name a discipline that really has a problem whenever its employer -- excuse me, employee or player becomes bigger than the brand. that then makes people feel as if, oh, no, rules have to change and we start to have to accommodate other players and
other employees when they're bigger than the, quote, unquote, brand, and this brand specifically is tennis. it is so unfortunate we think that way as opposed to being more inclusive, and realizing she is going to bring more attention to this sport than -- the last time this sport had this much attention is when the williams' sisters were at their height. they had to deal with their own issues. i mean serena, the same french open didn't like her cat suit. they banned the outfit that she chose. >> yeah. >> are you kidding me? just think about how ridiculous that sounds in a world that we live in where all she is doing is trying to use her platform to bring more awareness and more fans to a sport sometimes people don't pay attention to. look, you know better than i do. i think that naomi is smart. i love she wrote this because she wanted it to be nuanced. nothing can get accomplished on twitter or on instagram, if you will, or tiktok, and she wanted it to be nuanced and she wanted to give us thought and not hear what we had to say. now we are talking about mental
health because it is so prevalent and necessary. i will say this last thing. you know, when you play tennis and you are in a grand slam and you have however many matches to make it to the finals, right, she has done that on ample occasion, right? because she is an excellent player and she has three or four slams. here is the reality. you have to do a press conference every single day and sometimes you're not ready for it and she didn't get a break. there's no mental -- in basketball you can take a shower, come back. in baseball you can take a minute, you can cool off. it is right from the court into the press conference room. she is right, i'm exhausted, i'm painfully shy, can i get a break. there's nothing wrong with that, just to refill her cup so she can do it again. that needs to be the conversation. >> i'm so glad we had this conversation. let's make a commitment to keep it going because there's so much here. cari champion, thank you for coming back a day later and having the conversation. it was worth the wait. thank you so much. >> appreciate the conversation.
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♪ ♪ in the last ten years the growth in this state has been because of black, brown and asian folk. >> yeah! >> that is who is growing in this state. texas has more african-americans than any other state in this country, so all of a sudden it is an extraordinary issue that we now need to change the rules to voting. it seems like we have two constitutions going on in the state of texas. >> yes! >> one that applies to white folks and one that applies to everybody else. >> yes! >> hi, again, everyone. it is 5:00 in the east. texas state representative jasmine crockett pointing out the reality of the gop-led efforts in her state to protect
election integrity. the bills just filed by republicans during texas special legislative session, similar to the measures they tried to pay in may before democrats walked out and blocked them, as well as the hundreds of bills introduced in state legislatures all across the country disproportionately impact voters of color. it is a fact. let's look at the new bills in texas. house bill 3, senate bill 1 include provisions that make it harder to cast a ballot like adding new identification requirements to vote by mail and allow for potential voter intimidation by expanding the authority of partisan poll watchers. two noteworthy provisions come in the form of bans on early voting practices. specifically, 24-hour voting and drive-through voting. those two initiatives embraced in harris county during the 2020 election during the pandemic. harris county, of course, is texas's largest county. its population leans heavily minority and heavily democratic. "washington post" takes a deep
dive into those early voting practices there from its reporting. quote, chris hollins, the former harris county clerk who oversaw those programs last year, said that 130,000 voters too advantage of drive-through voting and an additional 10,000 voters cast ballots during the 24-hour voting marathon. the county offered in the final week before election day. an analysis of the harris county vote showed that voters of color made up more than half of those who used drive-through early voting and the 24-hour early voting window. that was a higher share than an early voting overall, but black and latino voters accounted for just 38% of all voters he said. in her speech yesterday announcing $25 million in new funding to help democrats with voter registration efforts, vice president harris specifically called out the lone star state. >> you know what is going on in texas right now. this all is designed, i believe, to make it harder for you to
vote so that you don't vote. so i will say, again, your vote matters. your voice matters. your will matters. your desire for yourself and your families matters. regardless of who you are, where you live, what party you belong to, your vote matters. your vote is your power. >> that power, the power of everyone being able to vote is exactly what republicans in texas and, frankly, republicans nationwide are clearly afraid of as they continue their assault, brutal assault on american democracy under the guise of a big lie about voter fraud. there isn't any systematic voter fraud.
tomorrow public hearings will be held on the new texas bills and advocacy groups are mounting a fight. move texas, powered by the people and black voters matter are all encouraging locals to flood the hearings with testimony contesting those bills, but advocates and texas democrats agree that no substantial progress will be possible without help from the federal government. and after weeks of saying he will speak out, president biden announced today he will deliver a speech in philadelphia next tuesday addressing, quote, actions to protect the sacred constitutional right to vote. democrats fighting the gop's assault on our democracy, voting restrictions predicated on a lie in the words of members of their own party, is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. texas state representative jasmine crockett is here with us. also joining us, errin haines, editor-in-chief of "the 19th" and msnbc contributor. donna edwards is here, msnbc contributor. representative, could you start
with where things stand today? >> you know, first of all, it is great to see you, nicole. it is good to be back in the great state of texas, but we are still fighting this war. so the walk-out did do some things for us. we embarrassed the gop by making it clear they were specifically targeting souls to the polls, so we saw them walk back this idea that, you know, election fraud occurs at 10:00 a.m. on sunday or whatever craziness they were trying to argue before. so we don't have that provision anymore. they also got rid of their provisions around overturning elections, which was specifically looking at, you know, things that they wish they could have done in the last election. so it did get better, but it still ain't no good. so we've got a lot of fighting to do and we've got these hearings that are taking place tomorrow, and so i do think all of the grassroots organizations that are lining up including my sorority, delta sigma theta,
that absolutely plans to show up and show out tomorrow. >> let me bottom line this. i mean without federal voting rights legislation, is there any chance of doing what you guys did before of stopping the legislation from passing and becoming the law of the land in texas? >> we actually do have another opportunity. we always have an opportunity to break quorum. you know, would it be as easy this time? probably not, right, because the republicans are bracing for the possibility of us doing this. historically this was only the fourth time this ever happened in the history of texas, and so they never thought it would happen. but now that they've seen that this particular group of lawmakers could get it done, they are nervous about that, and so i'm sure that they have plans in place which could include arresting us if necessary, tracking us down throughout the state. we would have to take extraordinary measures like getting out of the state this time so that they would not have jurisdiction to come and get us.
so it would be a lot more difficult, but it is a possibility. but we are still asking that d.c. does what d.c. needs to do. we were able to move the needle this last time. we really were, but that wasn't enough. we haven't gotten there, and the reality is that what we see happening in texas is not just texas. this is something that's going on in the entire country, and so i really do implore our lawmakers to understand that democracy is on the line. so this filibuster issue, i think we need to go ahead and handle that if we're going to save our very democracy that we say that we love so much in this country. >> i'm going to get -- i want to bring donna edwards in and get to the filibuster, but i always like to put some facts out. there wasn't any voter fraud in texas, your republican attorney general, who is very busy in the weeks after the election helping donald trump i think try to get the supreme court to take up his fake claims of fraud, investigated and i think found maybe 12 or 16 cases.
what are these laws -- what do they say these laws are for? because they're clearly not for fraud. there wasn't any in texas. >> okay. so you want to talk about facts? that's not really -- >> please. >> -- a thing we discuss a lot, you know. you are absolutely right. in fact, the texas state bar is looking into the law license of our attorney general because of, you know, what he was doing as far as continuing with this big lie. so, you know, he's going to have to deal with that and the bar will handle him on that issue. but you're absolutely correct, i don't understand how he could have had time to go into other states and try to do anything in their elections if there was so much bad going on in our elections. honestly, you know, we still have a republican majority. i'm wondering whether or not they question their very legitimacy in their seats because they seemingly are questioning their legitimacy. we are all elected officials. i don't question whether or not i'm legitimately here. so this is what they're telling
their base, but they keep it very simple. they just say, well, this is all about making elections safe. it is not, right. they're not going to go into the details of what it actually does, and that's what the walk-out did. the walk-out went into the details. it made people say, well, wait a minute, what does that have to do with election security. so this bill still doesn't have to do anything with election security. it has everything to do with suppressing the vote, and suppressing the vote mainly of black, brown people. >> yeah. i mean, donna edwards, i want to bring you in on this. i mean everything is bigger in texas, even the audacity of voter suppression laws. the notion that there was no fraud -- i mean to have an attorney general who looked so aggressively for voter fraud and found none is the state analog to bill barr who was so willing to investigate and prosecute fraud if he found in. the problem is when you look and you are willing to look, you don't find any, you have to become one of the truth tellers.
and in his own way i guess bill barr did that in an interview with the associated press, but the whole debate around the filibuster always leaves out that all of these laws are not even masquerading in something that was legitimate. there was no voter fraud, and where there were cases of it, there were people, dead people who voted for trump. let me show you something that latosha brown from black voters matter said, focusing in on one of the impediments to federal legislation. >> the first thing that we need is we actually have a solution on the table right now, for the people act. in order to get that, we've seen that the republicans have not been acting in any way that they wanted -- matter of fact, they've been open about their obstructionism. we have to end the filibuster. i have not heard the president take a hard stand around ending the filibuster on this particular issue, because what we know, what we have seen come from the courts with the decision, what we've seen with the state legislatures is we
need federal legislation to protect the right of citizens to vote in this country, and we've given the democrats -- they have control of the house, the senate and the white house. so we need to end the filibuster. they're going to have to end the filibuster specifically so that they can pass this legislation. i don't see any other way around it. >> donna edwards, she is absolutely right, both on the ability to stop these laws. she's absolutely right about the prospect of federal voting rights legislation in the senate. it doesn't happen without filibuster reform. she is absolutely right that president biden has said nothing about the filibuster. >> well, no, i think that la latosha brown has a point. the fact is if you can't end a senate rule to protect voting rights, to protect constitutional rights, then what can you do it for? so in addition to all of the efforts that are going to go on
around the states, the mobilizing activists around the country putting money, more -- additional money into voter education and voter registration, all of those things are great, but that bully pulpit in the white house, joe biden needs to use it to call attention to this and to put the hammer down on democrats. i'm going to put this on democrats because we know republicans are not going to do this. we should stop pretending that they are and get on with it because time is running out and, you know, representative crockett should not have to be in texas and other state legislators standing in the gap in the absence of the federal government doing what it needs to do to protect the rights of voters. bless them for doing it. bless them for trying to, you know, put a stop to these state laws, but we need a universal system across the country that ensures that people are able to vote. after all, if democracy can't
protect the right of people to vote and to be registered to vote, what in the world is the point of it? so i do think that democrats need to throw down on this one. this is one where the president has to say that maybe not for any other policy issue, we won't deal with the filibuster, but we are going to deal with it when it comes to protecting the right to vote. >> errin haines, i guess i feel like bruce willis in "the sixth sense," like i see republicans the way he saw dead people. republicans would have annihilated the filibuster in january when 60 to 70 voter suppression laws were making their way through a couple dozen states. now there are 389 of them making their way through 48 states. the dnc, $25 million dollars, i
don't know it is enough. he became the nominee because he was put there. do you feel like the decision is getting enough attention and priority from the white house? >> i think it is starting to come more into focus in the white house. look, you see president biden headed to philadelphia on tuesday. philadelphia is one of the cities that put him and vice president harris over the top, you know, while we were waiting in the final days. it was the vote coming in from pennsylvania, specifically from philadelphia that kind of clinched this thing for him when they were finally able to kind of call out the election for biden and harris in 2020. but, listen, yes, you have him going to philadelphia, you have vice president harris at howard university, a historically black college, pledging that $25 million, but to your point, nicole, i would be curious from representative crockett here, i mean $25 million, i expect you could spend that in texas alone
on voter registration, voter turnout, voter education efforts, in that state alone. so i don't know how far that goes. certainly, sure, it is a big number, but the number probably needs to be far bigger given what we are seeing underway in state legislatures across this country. look, it was a very different picture five weeks ago when representative crockett and her colleagues stood, you know, up and walked out of that texas legislature. the for the people act was still at least in play. the georgia law was not yet on the books. the supreme court had not yet been gunning for section two. it is a very urgent and different playing field, battleground now for these folks. i don't know if you were paying attention, but i certainly heard her saying that, you know, they're prepared to potentially get arrested, potentially flee the state to defend voting rights in texas and to defend this democracy. so, you know, what i hear from so many activists, so many organizers, people like latosha who were standing with representative crockett and her colleagues in texas, saying it
is time for democrats at the state and federal level to put it all on the line to preserve this democracy and really protect the voters that are really being specifically targeted for what they did in record numbers in the middle of a pandemic in november and in january again in georgia. if i can say one more thing about this. >> please. >> it is not enough for you and i to be talking about the reality that election -- voter suppression is masquerading as election integrity, right. i think that it is upon all of us to continue to ask republicans specifically just the question that you raise. where was the harm to democracy in letting people vote overnight, you know, having early voting expanded? where was the harm to democracy in that? what exactly was the election integrity issue in that because there is no justification for election integrity that
republicans are make, even as they continue to be allowed to say it is the reason for the laws they are doing. yes, while we as the media and the press continue to counter that message, i think it is incumbent on us to continue to ask them to explain their rationale, you know, because i think it is a flimsy rationale that is not -- it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny if only we would be scrutinizing them more. >> representative crockett, if you can pick up on erin's point about what you could do with $25 million. and to the larger point, the $25 million are going to help get around hurdles that have been erected by republicans, again, predicated on a lie. federal legislation would get rid of all of those hurdles. i understand it is not an either/or, but do you worry that the measures -- and i think stacey abrams is also organizing a big drive, and i know you have in the state you have, but it feels like what republicans are
doing is saying put on this backpack full of heavy rocks and walk all the way to the top. you know what? if you make it and you are able to vote, we still might not count you because we might make up a fake fraud claim and we will put one of our pals in charge of deciding whether that is true or not. some no more raffensperger. i mean is it a prude path to try to work around all of these laws or do you need this federal legislation? >> we need this federal legislation and we needed it like yesterday. you know, we continue to focus on the voting side of this, but the reality is a lot of the legislation deals with what we're about to deal with again, redistricting, right, and the gerrymandering aspect of it. you know, we are looking at most likely losing the house for a couple of reasons. number one, because of the voting laws that they're trying to implement and, number two, because of the lines that they're about to try to draw. so, you know, one of the things i kept telling my colleagues was that we need to energize our
base. regardless of what the outcome is, we have got to decide on today whether or not we are going to do what we were elected to do, which is to fight. this isn't a partisan issue or it shouldn't be a partisan issue. this is a right versus wrong issue, this is a moral issue. so with that we've got to show that we are willing to do whatever it takes. as a black female who just happens to be an attorney, who just happens to be a state representative, i know that i wouldn't be here but for people putting their lives on the line. so if it means that we got to risk getting arrested, then that's what we do. but i don't like this idea that we always give them a pass to be obstructionist. that is a problem right now. we've got to fight with everything that we've got because the majority of us would not be in our positions but for what was done to pave the way for an opportunity for us, and that's really what i'm willing to do. i can only hope and pray that on the federal level that they will do the same, that they will fight with everything that
they've got to make sure that we get this done. because like latosha said, what is the point in having the majority and we still don't have the ability to do good? i'm not even talking about just ruling. i'm talking about doing good. something like saving democracy. >> you're right. the fact that this is a partisan issue, that you have got one half of the country, one of the two parties in this country totally hostage to a lie and knowingly governing predicated on the lie is a terrible, terrible commentary, both of our democracy and, as you said, of the democratic majorities in the white house, the house and the senate. if there were ever a moment to do extraordinary things, this appears to be it. texas state representative jasmine crockett, we will be watching you. we will be keeping an eye on everything in your state. wave your arms and come and spend time with us any day if you have the time for it. we would love to hear how it is going. errin haines and donna edwards,
thank you for starting us off this hour. when we return a stunning but not surprising look inside the disgraced ex-president's final days in office and the depths to which his top cronies would sink to enable his lies. much more from "wall street journal's" reporter michael bender's new book necessary. plus, president biden warns vladimir putin he will do whatever is necessary to keep america safe from the russian cyberattacks. the question, does putin even care. the rise of covid has taken hold. for those vaccinated the news keeps getting better and better. we will bring you both sides. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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bob woodward used to say the truth emerges and, boy, it is true. we are learning more about the former president's term and how the disgraced ex-president tried with his lackluster strength to cling to power as it was clear to him and the american people joe biden would be the next president of the united states. in a new article previewing his new book, which will be released next week, "wall street journal's" michael bender details donald trump shuffling staff in and out to try to hold on to his presidency. among the highlights from the new reporting, the ex-president's attempts to oust his once-loyal subservient attorney bill barr. he writes, by mid-november the president secretly offered barr's job to john rat click. running the justice department
was ratcliffe's dream job in washington, but not like this. if ratcliffe accepted he would be expected to refute the same briefings he provided the president of national intelligence director which stated no foreign powers conspired to corrupt the nation's voting machines so he turned it down. bender also details a december oval office meeting between trump, barr and white house council pat cipollone where barr reached his breaking point. after the president rolled through his greatest hits of debunked election fraud claims, barr, quote, made clear that he wouldn't subject himself or his agency to repeated insults and accusations, and white house officials panicked he was about to quit. barr left the west wing. his black sedan was pulling out of the parking lot when cipollone suddenly appeared and banged his hand on the back window. the white house attorney climbed into the car and cautioned against making rash decisions. barr agreed but regretted it and designed two weeks later. joining us now is political and investigative reporter and pete
strzok, former fbi counterintelligence agent and author of the book "compromised." michael bender, who is the author of the book from which these great scoops occurred, will be our guest next week on "deadline: white house" when the book comes out. nick, the stories are tantalizing and very much in line with a lot of the excellent reporting you and your colleagues had over the four years of the presidency. what is so shocking is that everyone knew. everyone knew donald trump was not fit for office. everyone knew donald trump was a liar and everyone knew he was a danger. so this reporting about ratcliffe, this reporting about barr, this reporting about pompeo is galling. is there any other way to see it? >> well, look, it is a reminder of a central truth we all learned in the trump presidency, which is that it doesn't matter if you have a good constitution and laws and rules or that american democracy requires people of conscience to protect it, to follow the rules, to put themselves and their country
ahead of the president. what we've seen in the final days is something astonishing, nicolle. at the end of a presidency we usually see a benign vacuum as people start to exit the white house, look for jobs, and there are some last-minute executive orders and it is pretty quiet. here what happened is as people started to leave there was more and more chaos, more and more of the thing that we saw throughout the four years of the administration. the president trying to get his own way, and bringing in kind of layers of new and junior people who were power hungry and eager to please and wouldn't stand up to him. just as a reminder of what a huge stress test the trump presidency has been for american democracy and how we are still seeing the cracks in the foundation today. >> yeah, and i mean, pete, i'm not sure that we passed the stress test. i want to read you something that michael bender reports about pompeo. he writes this. the crazies have taken over,
secretary of state mike pompeo warned a colleague. privately, the nation's top diplomat worried that foreign adversaries might try to exploit the domestic instability. he conveyed concern to others that trump might be more willing to engage in an international conflict to strengthen his political argument for remaining in office. pompeo organized a daily call with general milley and mark meadows, white house chief of staff. mike pompeo thought trump was going to wag the dog, and so he had a call every day with the chairman of the joint chief and the chief of staff, who when he got off the phone with pompeo was e-mailing doj to ask them to overturn the election. i mean dereliction of duty. what is the right word for that scene? >> well, i think it is absurd, first, that it had to happen, that anybody at the secretary cabinet level position of any administration would think they had to do this. but one thing i want to point out is let's look at the people who are trying to portray themselves as heroes there.
attorney general barr for the first 18 months of his tenure led the insults and accusations against his department before he finally sees the light towards the last weeks that he's in the job and decides he's going to give an interview portraying himself as the last stalwart between the republic and the abyss. you know, these folks who were working for trump spent months and months and months enabling behavior, encouraging the bad behavior by trump and others in the administration, only to find themselves at the end that shockingly enough this behavior had gotten out of control and they were powerless to stop it and they're doing things, holding daily calls and video conferences to try to stop this run away train they themselves contracted. this is a true washington process to try to launder yourself and clean yourself of the stain of the trump presidency. i hope most americans will see through the motivations at play here. >> let me stay on this, pete strzok. i have long held that despite what trump said about the media,
we weren't hard enough on him. he debased the office of the presidency. he viewed the men and women of our military as suckers and losers. his obstruction of justice at the mueller probe is conduct he repeated over and over again. when i read the barr stuff, i wondered if this wasn't -- not that mueller would derive pleasure from it but maybe bill barr shouldn't have been eager and crazed with carrying out the defense of donald trump when the mueller probe found the obstruction of justice. it is worse than laundering. everything that trump was defended against by barr trump did again, and this time barr was afraid he would be found to be complicit. >> i think that's absolutely right. look, nicolle, none of this was hidden. all of this behavior was a
pattern we saw time and time again of pushing going up to the boundary, pushing and seeing if there was any response and finding none going forward. so whether it was the behavior that led to, you know, the first impeachment, you know, the quid pro quo with ukraine for arms for digging up dirt on biden, whether it was charging up to the line about trying to dispute the election and then going further and inciting the attack on the capitol on january 6th. at every turn trump was very clear about what he was doing. he was very clear about his disregard for the law, and yet all of these people now who are trying to express their deep concern in the last days of the administration enabled that behavior for the months and months and months and years before that. >> yeah. i mean, nick, i've described it as, you know, they all helped build frankenstein and then they were shocked and horrified when frankenstein turned out to be a monster. the patterns with the white house counsel and the attorney general are almost a complete echo of what don mccann had to do with jeff sessions threatened
to quit. there was a scene, you know, you may write about it, i think mike schmidt writes about it. there was a real clash with sessions who was going to quit and donald trump carried around his legislation letter and, oh, dangled it over him. don mcgahn goes running out to save him. you have in bender's book a second white house counsel running out asking a second attorney general not to quit. how close to the line of illegal do you think they were concerned their conduct and the president's conduct was? >> i mean i don't have any inside information on their state of mind. obviously as good lawyers they're watching a president, a commander in chief who doesn't really recognize any boundaries on his power, who tries to shrug them off, who is even now still engaged in an effort to overturn the results of an selection he didn't like. i'm not sure you need any more evidence than that. it is clear that the pattern is the same throughout the presidency, and in all of these trump books -- and there are
many of them and they're all great, right. they have great reporting, all of them. it is almost like watching a variation of the same set of stories over and over again, and a third theme, you know, is that, you know, the people who were most really kind of loyal to him and devoted to him are the ones he humiliates and dominates the most. it is almost as if he uses their devotion loyalty against them, sees it as weakness and stomps on them. it is the few people in the administration who stood up to the president, who said, that's wrong, i'm not going to do it, who have emerged with their reputations i think heightened in the last four years instead of decreased. >> yeah. i mean it is also, if you read anything about addiction and families that struggle with someone who suffers from the disease of addiction, they're almost always enablers. all of these figures, barr, pompeo, ratcliffe, they were
enablers. there's no other way to describe any of them. what they enabled in the end was an unprecedented assault on our democracy. i don't know that any reputation laundering washes that stain off. nick and pete are sticking around because when we return president biden is today warning vladimir putin that he will take whatever steps are needed to defend the united states against cyberattacks by russian hackers. that story is next. ♪ it's grilled cheese time. ♪ ♪ yeah, it's time for grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ after we make grilled cheese, ♪ ♪ then we're eating grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ because it's time. ♪ ♪ yeah. ♪ ♪ time for grilled cheese. ♪ verizon launched the first 5g network, and now we want to be the first to give everyone the joy of 5g. with a new 5g phone on us. old customers. new customers.
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when ransomware operation is coming from -- even though it is not, not sponsored by the state, we expect them to act because we've given them enough information to act on who that is. secondly, that we have set up a means of communication now on a regular basis to be able to communicate to one another when each of us thinks something is happening in their country that affects the home country. so it went well. i'm optimistic. >> reporter: you said three weeks ago there would be consequences. will there be, sir? >> yes. >> president biden there vowing to hold vladimir putin accountable for the recent rash of cyberattacks by russian hackers. ahead of next week's meeting between officials between the united states and russia. back with nick and pete. pete, what is the deterrent for what is happening? i think since we last talked about this there have been two big ransomware attacks, one hit a contractor for the rnc over
the holiday weekend, impacting about 15 companies i believe around the world. what is the thing that you say to putin to make it stop? >> that's a great question. i think it is clear that what the tools the administration is using up to this point in time haven't been successful in stopping the behavior. so the things that we've seen and then i'm certain there are things that are behind the scenes, classified things that might be going on, but the traditional techniques of sanctioning individuals, of trying to freeze assets, of, you know, engaging through international bodies to do something clearly aren't working. there's a thread throughout the last two blocks that if the bad behavior that you are trying to change isn't changing, then you probably need to mix up what it is that you are doing to try to achieve that. so i would expect that what the administration needs to do is to move to more aggressive, more painful things that are less -- are more risky certainly but will have to be more directly impactful on the russian side of things. i would also expect, you know,
this wasn't just a u.s. problem. this last attack hit the last time, i think, over 17 or 18 divinations. there's a glowing body of countries around the world, sweden and the uk and germany and mexico and spain and all of these other folks who are equally impacted, who are equally angry. i think the prospect of an international group moving against russia might be more effective than the u.s. trying to go it alone. >> nick, what is the current sort of body of reporting about the options this president and this white house is considering for the upcoming meeting? >> well, look, you know, it is obviously clear that president biden is relatively new in office. he's very experienced in this area, but he doesn't want, i think, to start at the highest level of response and there's an effort here to balance and have some progressive measures in place. i do think it is notable though that, look, this is putin or people with ties to russia, i should say, hacking the rnc four
or so years after they hacked the dnc. i mean it is like -- >> right. >> it is the same kind of nightmare over again, and how many times is this going to happen before the u.s. decides to inflict some more serious pain on either the government or putin himself or his cronies? and there are a measure of things they can do beyond sanctions. i think the u.s. has a big tool kit, and the question is if we want to do more. i was speaking to two officials in europe recently who have experience in russian affairs, and both of them were saying it was odd to them, going back to the obama years, how gentle the u.s. had always been in kind of counterattacking and in taking measures as if there was always a real fear of escalation. their consensus was that there isn't as much a danger of escalation as maybe the u.s. has always feared, that there's a lot more band width here to kind of rap his knuckles in russia and have him back down. >> we'll keep watching with both
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children's hospital, the dean of national tropical medicine at baylor college of medicine. when history is written no one can say you didn't go into the belly of the beast and try to make this not happen. but the truth is where disinformation and political affiliation trump science and facts, there are lower vaccination rates. now with the delta variant here, more illness and more death. >> yes, you're absolutely right, nicolle. i'm still in the belly of the beast, unfortunately, trying to figure a way out. it is really terrible. right now what we're seeing is a resurgence of covid-19 wherever there's that one-two punch, and that one-two punch is high levels of the delta variant comprising a significant percentage of the virus isolets and low vaccination coverage. the poster child for that right now is southern missouri where people are now piling into
intensive care units just like they did in new york in the spring of 2020, just like they did in the south throughout the summer of 2020. it is like we haven't learned anything. so that's what is happening in southern missouri, northern arkansas. now it is going into east texas. guess what is next? the lowest vaccination rates are in rates are mississippi and louisiana. delta is rising there. and that's what we're going to see. and then we're going to see it move into florida, all predicted and predictable. also wyoming and idaho, which are conservative strong holds and not vaccinating, delta is going to rise. so, this is not going to be a happy summer for many parts of the country, primarily going from missouri into the deep south and then in the mountain west. and still trying hard to convince people to get vaccinated, but it's -- it's getting tougher as people tie their ideologies to not getting vaccinated and you had these horrible statements from far
right leaning congressmen who claim that this is a -- this is basically being used as a method of control rather than touting the health benefits. so, it's so self-defeating. it's almost -- i'm almost speechless about it. >> are there anecdotal instances where people whose ideology kept them from believing in the vaccine become converted because a loved one gets sick or dies or they get sick? are they useful messengers into this community? >> absolutely, and we need to tap them. so, we're starting to see now -- for instance what people are seeing in southern missouri -- small upticks. people said, oh, my god, this thing is not a hoax. it's for real, and starting to get vaccinated. the problem, nicole, it takes time after being vaccinated. by the time you get your vax second dose it's three weeks later and a week or two after
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