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pieces of legislation. he's actually gone and talk to the legislators in charge of the legislation. instead of just kind of hanging around on the sidelines and guessing, is, it on track, is it off track? he has a very good news to report about just how unchecked all of it is. >> actual data, not just gibberish. >> yes. >> this is not allowed on cable news, you have to talk about this carefully. >> the actual chairman of the committees that are actually controlling this thing, so we will get into it on the real legislative mechanics. over the next few weeks, there will be a lot of missed signals. a lot of misconceptions about what's going on at any given time. i think if you stare at the right players and the house and senate all the time, you will kind of know where we are. dj will give us that guide, tonight. i trust him implicitly. i can't wait. >> thank you, rachel. >> thank you lawrence.
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and so, tonight, we will speak of donald trump and hitler. not to compare trump to adolf hitler, but because donald trump spoke about adolf hitler, to his white house chief of staff in 2018, on trip to europe, commemorating the end of world war i. donald trump spoke and meringue lee of hitler. according to a new book by michael bender, the book says that donald trump spoke these eternally loath some and fully evil words to white house chief of staff john kylian. hitler did a lot of good things. michael bender interviewed donald trump for his book, and donald trump denied saying that to john kylian. today, that poisonous statement about hitler attributed to donald trump, landed in the world to no surprise
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whatsoever. none. anyone who has been watching donald trump within -- with an intense disapproval, is unlikely to be slightly surprised that donald trump would think exactly that, about the most evil of the state are in human history. and supporters of trump cannot be surprised that he is reported to have said that, especially donald trump's american nazi supporters. the people who come to his rallies, believing that adolf hitler did a lot of good things, but could have done more. s,donald trump has supporters wo wear t-shirts who say 6 am w. e. meaning, 6 million were not enough. a problem they have within the hitler's murder of 6 million jews, is that hitler did not murder enough jews. and those people, in those t-shirts, love donald trump.
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americans who love adolf hitler, love donald trump. people who have that kind of poisoning themselves, always believed that they can spot it in someone else. america's most poison human beings, american nazis, they look at donald trump and see their biggest hero since adolf hitler. now they have a news report today saying that donald trump said, hitler did a lot of good things. which probably consist -- confirms their admiration for donald trump. a spokesperson for donald trump today said a statement denying that donald trump said that hitler did a lot of good things. clue clerks clan members love donald trump, david duke supported his run in 2016, and in what became the controversy for the day in 2016, donald trump pretended not to know who david duke is, or what he thinks. but that didn't log -- matter dubbed david duke,
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because david duke knew that that is what honing politicians have to say in a situation like that. the racists who like donald trump, because they believe he's one of them, have never believed his denials, about being one of them. they just see that as something donald trump, the smart politician has to say. they believe they know where donald trump's hardest, americas clansmen, america's nazis, believe that donald trump has in his heart, what they have been theirs -- sheer hatred. so, they will be cheering tonight, with the news reports, that they will firmly believe that donald trump said, hitler did a lot of good things. the reason donald trump's nazi followers will believe that he said that, is the same reason that many trump opponents will believe that he said that. then reason is, donald trump has repeatedly demonstrated and
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fully embraced cruelty. here, and abroad. he embraced and claimed to fall in love with the most murderous dictator alive today, north korea's kim john. one of our first guest tonight says that cruelty is not an effective trumpian politics, cruelty is the point. quote, the politics of cruelty so for years, donald trump and his republican followers, championed his idea of taking followed -- the affordable care act away. they weren't even slightly troubled by the extreme cruelty of that. americans were spared that cruelty, by exactly one vote.
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senator john mccain, who supported most of the trump agenda, simply cannot bring himself to cast that vote in favor of cruelty, in what turned out to be the final days of his life. one vote, by one republican, who is no longer with us, spared us that particular cruelty. and donald trump remains enraged at john mccain, in his grave, to this day. now donald trump in the republicans want to take away voting rights, from americans. they want to make black americans in georgia stand in long voting lines, without any access to water, because that kind of cruelty is the point. that is why donald trump thinks. some people do or deserve that for daring to vote, and daring to vote against him. when you find republicans who are troubled by donald trump's
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cruelty, but still voted for him, they talk about the things they agree with trump on like, tax cuts, or supreme court justices isn't bad. they invariably say something like, trump did a lot of good things. exactly what donald trump said about adolf hitler. leading off our discussion tonight, is adam serwer author of the cruelty is the point. also with us jelani cobb professor of university have journalism at columbia and an analyst. so jelani cobb i want to begin with you, the people have been following donald trump four years, and following his cruelty, they will, on both sides of this, not be surprised to hear him quoted as saying that he admires hitler for a
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lot of good things, he says. >> yeah, it is an extraordinary statement. on the other hand, we did not a private regulation for john kelly, a man who after all, spends a great deal of time trying to get donald trump to carry out his agenda to understand what donald trump is about. donald trump has illustrated, from the beginning, that a part of his appeal is his targeting a vulnerable consist didn't contingencies, ethnic minorities, with. foresee use those communities as an existential threat, and he exploited their fear. he exploited their fear by acting cruelly towards those communities when he was president. >> professor cobbe, when i read that quote to bury, i was just looking forward to simply opening your microphone tonight and saying, just give us your
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reaction to what we have learned today about donald trump. >> i mean, the terrible horror of this is, i don't have a reaction. >> right. >> we understood who this person was, from the outset, when he said, at the beginning, the reach of his political career, he set out by calling mexicans rapists, then proceeded downhill from there. this is entirely consistent with the character that's been displayed, as well as consistent with the other points that john kelly made two years ago. i think a year ago now, about his comments and not understanding why soldiers fought. what was it for them, and his disparaging comments about people who've been injured in the course of war. people who've beeni think his cs extraordinary. i think adam really nailed it when you pointed out that he had kind of reached into the reptilian core, of people's
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brains, and that enabled them and empower them to display their own forms of cruelty. i think that was the high that people got from those four years of his political stand in the white house. they were able to exhibit and air as much cruelty that they had in their hearts knowing that they were backed. >> adam, your thesis also seems to cover what we are seeing in the voting rights bills that are being brought up by republicans in state legislatures around the country. attempts to restrict voting in certain ways in the country, knowing exactly who they are targeting by doing that. >> yes, the book is focused on cruelty is a part of politics. obviously cruelties are part of human nature. we are all capable cruelty, but this book is about cruelty, specifically the way it's used to demonize certain group, so that you can justify denying people their basic rights and a constitutional exclude them
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from the political process. our system invented incentivizes just because it's possible for one party to hold party without winning the majority of the vote. if the party that represents this constituency is afraid of losing power, they become more urgent to persuade them, and they are on the verge of destructions of anything they do, to disenfranchise the rival constituency is justified. even though trump is gone, republicans understand that their hold on power, and the party as it currently exists, is reliant on excluding other americans from the political process, so that they don't have to cater to their interests and needs and rights. >> professor -- >> go ahead, please. >> i would look into that. i think adam is right. to make the situation even more perilous, is that like other great atrocities in human history, they laid the groundwork for framing this cruelty as an act of
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self-defense. >> exactly. >> when we see the imprisonment of infants, on the southern border, people are framing this as saying it's in response to an invasion -- of people who are coming to harm the country. now we have all six atrocities that can be justified, and there's really nothing that can be justified maybe thinking people are defending their own lies. adam, if donald trump or just to play golf for his whole life, completely ignore politics from this day forward, with the cruelty leave our politics? >> i don't think it would for two reasons. one, trump showed the republican party how much they could get away with with pursuing this tell the politics. and to, as long as the majority democracy can be leverage in this, where the republican party will have an interesting exploiting this kind of politics in order to maintain power. the only thing that can change this kind of politics is by
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altering the system to be more fair, so the republican party has to reach out beyond its base, to a more diverse constituency, that will compel them to respect americans democratic rights. that's what had to happen with the democratic party in the mid 20th century, and it's what has to happen now, if we are to get of this place we are in. >> professor cobb we are stuck with the two anti-democratic structure of the senate. that adds to that, with the anti-democratic rules of the senate, creating super majorities of a body that is already not representative of the country. >> that's right. i would also add gerrymandering, this a matter not
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that are there to be used, and also the same time the republican party doubling down on politics that alienate african americans, alienate latinos, many asians, people have different communities, and really go for the smaller and shrinking vote of white christian americans. the only way they can make it work, is by the same members that analysts talking about. to install a kind of permanent minority ruling in the united states. >> we have periods and politics, in the seventies, eighties, nineties, where the battle that the parties were fighting over the same voters. they were folding over this possibly undecided group that was in the middle and adam, that middle is no longer where the fight is, apparently, for republicans, anyway. >> i mean, i think as long as the republican party's base is
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ideally geographically distributed to take a vantage of the mail portion in the senate, the gerrymandering in the house, it will be difficult to have that center in our politics, because there's of successful in using racial polarization to their advantage. if the democrats want to make our system more fair, they are going to have to take some big steps. that's the only way, honestly, for the republican party -- the only way politician's changes if there means of politics change. they don't feel pressure to change in the way of trumpian politics we are seeing now. >> and that, of course professor cobb brings us to the rules of the senate, and the 60 vote threshold, and what can the democrats do with a current 51 votes to change that? >> this is really -- i'm going back to the point of
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the filibuster, it's really a kind of existential question. and whether or not the filibuster will be tossed out or at least amended in such a way, that allow these voting right bills to be passed. and any hope of countering what's happening with these legislatures across the country, that is really what we have come down to. it seems to be, in particular the case that manchin and sinema just mention, even a kind of refusal to see exactly what is at stake here, and what the implications are for all sorts of communities and really more broadly, for the whole democratic coalition. last thing, and disenfranchising black voters, you necessarily disenfranchise millions of white voters as well. white voters who happen to vote for the same candidate as many african americans well. adam serwer this new book is --
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thank you for joining our discussion tonight. >> texas republicans just released a new voting restrictions bill for tomorrow's legislation special in texas. colin allred, a former voting rights are turning himself, will join us. along with texas state representative gina hinojosa. al save you? one! two! three! four! five! 72,807! 72,808... dollars. yep... everything hurts. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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republicans revealed their latest addition of their voter restrictions bill, for the special legislative session that starts tomorrow at 10 am. as reported on this program last night, the bill now does not include the provisions that would make it easier for texas republicans to over turn the's -- turn the results of the election.
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the bill no longer restricts sunday morning voting, it was to hinder the souls to the polls black tradition. it still can continues to have many bands of the previous bill including the country's leading -- joining us now is colin allred of texas, worked as a voting rights -- and also is gina gina hinojosa. what happens tomorrow 10 am. >> probably nothing much happens tomorrow. tomorrow we will show up, it's a day of formalities, really. there are timelines that have
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to be complied with, even by the republican majority before any bill can be passed. and so, tomorrow should not be too eventful. at least we are not anticipating that. we will have a fight on our hands within this special session that takes place within the next 30 days. >> what about hearings on this bill? what about a full airing of it, because there is now disputes from republicans, wet and who put divisions in the last one, how did that get in last time, we don't know how it happened? >> it is a circus, isn't it? we did succeed with our walkout, and we did succeed with putting enough attention on these provisions of the bill, to make even the republican author of the bill in the house, disavow the provisions of outlawing, sending voting, and the provision that make it easier to overturn the election, so we
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did have that victory to bring forth the minority in the legislature. we have a new bill. it looks like some sharp edges have been taken off of it, it is still not a good bill though. ultimately, when we need to remember, we do not have a voter fraud problem in the state of texas. our secretary of state testified that elections in texas were safe and secure, the 2020 election was safe and secure. 2020 election was this effort tr suppression bill, is an furtherance of donald trump's big lie. it is putting politics and ship and policies -- we need to let people vote. >> we had to texas legislatures here tonight, they were able to enjoy enjoying a celebration of sorts about knocking at provision, making it easy to overturn elections that was such a huge victory for the democrats.
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that was last night, now we are on the verge of the restart of this very tough part of legislator. what are you hoping for for your perspective in congress. >> first of all, let's see how successful the walkout was that geno was a part of. that they were able to get these relief to agree just revisions out of the bill. as she said, it's still a very bad. bill one of the provisions they didn't have there in the excellent summary, was allowing -- to have room in the polling place. we know republic republicans are trying to bully democrats. i think it's intentional. we know with the issue is there. like you, lawrence, i want to make sure this language that got in there, how do they get in? here as you talked about many times, that he just spoke about in the last segment, we had to
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do something at the federal level, to make sure that whatever is in this bill, restrictions already in place in texas, that we need to provide some relief to make sure our democracy is protected. this is so important. i want to thank you for talking about this. we were in the state hardest to vote, and they are already making it worse. >> representative gina hinojosa to the democrats, do you have a strategy going into this that you can share with us, or might have secrets nudges that you can at least acknowledge but not share with us? >> our strategies can't be broadcast on national tv, but yes, we are committed to fighting this with everything we have got, using every tool in our tool box to make it so that we protect voting rights, and not make it harder for
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texans to vote. already as a state, we rate consistently within the bottom ten states for voter turnout. we do not have a voter fraud problem in the state of texas. we have a voter turnout problem, so we should be making it easier to vote. we saw in harris county, where houston is located, these innovative efforts to get people to vote with these drive-through places to vote, and by trying to proactively send out applications to vote by mail, to only those who are qualified by this bill to make that illegal, which is the opposite of what we should be trying to do. we are committed to fighting this bill, ultimately, the congressman is right. we need the voting acts right past. we need the for the people act passed. this is a federal strategy to suppress the vote, this is a national strategy by the heritage foundation past, and
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we need a national response to congress. >> congressman already, it seems when you look at these bills, republican lawmakers literally looked at everything that worked well, and helped voter turnout like drive-through voting, for example. they said ok, we've got a kill that right away. they did, these were disproportionately used by communities of color and incentives across the country, americans didn't amazing thing last election. we came together in a pandemic that hand record turnout, and a presidential election, and then more and we make it sick and die just by voting. and we makewe should be celebr. she mentioned the big lie and i was there on january 6th, obviously that was six months ago now. i was on the house floor when they tried to break in. we had to evacuate. we were determined to make sure we came back in that we did sort of have that oath. but the big lie is motivating
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what we're seeing right now. the special session is motivated by that big lie. it's still with us. we have to beat this and we have to do whatever it takes and whatever it takes to get past the super majority requirement there. this is a four alarm fire, and we have to have some federal protection. we're still gonna do our part in the house. we just need to have a partner in the senate. >> texas congressman and texas statesman gina hinojosa thank you very much for joining us on this important subject. thank you. >> thank you lawrence. >> and coming, up donald trump has found some more lawyers willing to take rudy giuliani's place and put their names on donald trump's latest frivolous lawsuit. donald trump is going to lose these cases just the way he lost when he sued tim bryan. tim bryan will join us next. and one we discover.
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to practice law in new york, today, rudy giuliani lost his license to practice law in washington d.c.. also today, donald trump found seven more lawyers to follow rudy giuliani's footsteps by lending their names to the most frivolous lawsuit donald trump has filed since his failed election lawsuits. seven lawyers disgraced themselves forever today by attaching their names to donald trump's new lawsuit, suing trigger for not allowing him to tweet. along with a separate lawsuit for facebook not allowing him to facebook. and of course youtube for not allowing him to youtube. social media companies than donald trump when he proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a danger to society on january 6th. legal experts read the identical lawsuits filed against each of the companies told the washington post today that the lawsuits are dead on arrival based on a crack pot
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theory and nothing more than a publicity stunt. only one of the lawyers actually signed his name to the civil complaints filed in federal court in florida, matthew out baldwin claims that the criminal defense in his years as a prosecutor he's handled homicides and probably announces on his law firm website that is cases were covered by court tv, dateline, and 48 hours mystery. fortunately, for mr. baldwin, none of this lawsuit will be on tv because it will be thrown out of court. the six other lawyers who put their names on the lawsuit are actually not now legally allowed to even practice law in florida with a lawsuit that was filed. the lawyer who signed the lawsuit, the only one who apparently was allowed to practice law in florida, did not participate in donald trump's press conference today announcing the lawsuit. but a lawyer from washington
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d.c. named john p cole did most of the topping four lawyers and like rudy giuliani before him, he lied. >> this suit is really about freedom of speech. we're going to prove that they are government actors and therefore the first amendment does apply. >> everything you just heard him say is a lie. social media companies are not government actors. this is not about freedom of speech it's, not about the first amendment. the question for attorney john cole is, how much more lying is he willing to do for donald trump? the same officials who took away rudy giuliani's license to practice law in washington today have authority over john peak coals license to practice law. and they have learned to watch trump lawyers very closely. minutes after that press conference, donald trump
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immediately sent out a plea to his followers to send him money to help pay his new lawyers. joining us now is tim bryan, senior columnist and the author of the book trump nation. tim o'brien was famously sued by donald trump back when tim was a new york times reporter. [laughs] and to put, the story is, you won that lawsuit. it was a huge mistake for donald trump to do it. so here he is with another lawsuit. and tim, i think this one is going to be thrown out of court really fast. i don't think where to get much entertainment value from this. >> alas, lawrence, part of me wishes it would make it over some middle hurdles so we could just enjoy the sort of carnival ask slaying of all his legal arguments and see it through discovery but of course it will never get there because the suit is essentially the definition of frivolity. they just have no grounds for this. and i think they know this,
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obviously, as you pointed out. i don't think the goal of this lawsuit was to create new precedent around free speech. i don't think the goal of it was to mount a robust defense of the small cry in the internet era. this whole thing was meant to fire up trump's base at yet another series of american institutions. it's meant to defray trust in all of the forces in society that are trying to regulate donald trump. and it ignores all of the hurdles that this legal team has to face in getting this suit anywhere, into a courtroom that would even bother to listen to it. section 2:30 of the decency act. protects social media platforms like facebook and twitter right now. from these sorts of lawsuits. facebook and twitter, in their
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own corporate bylaws require any litigation from users to be adjudicated from california. these guys filed in florida. a federal judge in florida recently tossed a lot that governor desantis passed forbidding social media platforms from dumping politicians from their sights. there's just nothing on the ground here that's going to allow this to go forward and the one curative thing that come out of this would be for the courts to actually sanction the lawyers and sanction trump because he's had decades of -- there's actually a class of lawsuits like this is known as fat lawsuits that abuse the legal process and the judiciary to further non judiciary goals. >> yes, and here lawsuit you actually got to the discovery state which donald trump regretted greatly because you were able to compel him to subpoenas to turn over at tax returns to you and other
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information. and so that's the part of this that of course would destroy donald trump if these companies ever got to the discovery stage. they got to subpoena information from donald trump. but it has to survive a motion in order to dismiss and get to that stage. and then clearly it won't. it's also a fund-raiser for donald trump. he immediately went to work fund-raising off of the lawsuit. >> you know, if we were lucky enough to get to the discovery process, one of the things that would come out of this because the reason he was kicked off of those social media platforms is that he incited an insurrection on january 6th. and the defense attorneys for all of these companies would have a field day probing any communications at the white house level or among trump's political operatives. not only on january 6th but in the months before as they establish a fact pattern around whether trump did premeditate,
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in addition to form entering, the insurrection on january 6th. they will never want to get their. when we got in the discovery on our lawsuit, trump ended up trying to settle in in our attorneys rejected his efforts to settle the case because at that point we had our hands on the tax returns and business records, and we were able to use those things to depose him and nobody and the current lawsuit whatever gets that stage. >> so at that, point trump just dropped a lawsuit which is why he would do here. what the audience has to understand and i think many do, is that if you file a lawsuit against anyone, you have immediately made yourself available to be subpoenaed by the other side to testify under oath in a deposition whenever they want that to happen. and of course, trump would have to avoid that at all costs in this case. so he would just drop his case when those subpoenas arrived. >> if the court let him. if the court let him. in our case, the court ended up
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dismissing the case but he still had to go through discovery. so he loses control of the process and he ends up as he always does, shooting himself in the foot with these kinds of things because he's jumped into it for the publicity value without thinking about the long term consequences of this kind of legal before nary. >> tim o'brien who beat donald trump in court when donald trump suit him, thank you very much for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> thanks lawrence. >> thank you. and coming up, as i told rachel earlier, we will be joined next with a reporting on to track infrastructure legislation that is moving through congress now and will be giving us very complex, very dramatic days in the house of the senate over the next few weeks. egypt is going to tell you exactly which players to keep your eye on. then, you will know if this is on track or not as you proceed. aj dion joins us next.
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stage today for the most complex legislative drama we've seen in washington since the passage of the affordable care act. >> my friends, this is not on a bipartisan basis. this is gonna be a hell -- but this country will look like in the future. and it's all gonna unfold here in the next two weeks. >> mitch mcconnell is, of course, talking about the biden infrastructure plan which is now on track to be passed as two separate pieces of legislation. one, a bipartisan compromise and the other, and democrats only bill. he's using the budget reconciliation rules that allowed to pass from the senate with 51 votes. there is going to be a lot of noise along the way. there's gonna be a lot of misinterpretations about what is happening day today. there will be several suggestions that the whole thing is falling apart. but if you keep your eyes on the key players, you will always be able to tell if the legislation is still on track. one of the most important
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players is obviously senator joe manchin, but he is frequently treated by the news media as if he is the only important player in this draw. our next guest have been talking to two key players in the legislative drama who have more power over the process that senator joe manchin. joining us now is ej dion, a columnist for the washington post and a senior fellow at the brookings institution. you've spoken to the chairman of the house with the first outline of the democrats only bill will be written. what are you learning from the budget committee chairman, john yarmouth in the house who appeared on this program last week? >> one of the things i'm learning, as one of them said, is that in this process, everybody is joe manchin. we used to say that the margins in both houses are so small and the senate is 50/50 and the house. they only have a couple of votes to spare. so that every member with a
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demand has some real power because their votes are going to be sought after. what's garments and sanders are trying to do is to negotiate this bill, not only with their committees, and by the way, with the advantage that democrats have is that both the house committee and the senate budget committees have pretty broad representation. almost every wing of the party is there. so it's like a stress test. they can reach an agreement. it's very likely that the rest of the senate democrats can reach an agreement. but they are not going to do what's traditional thing of the house passing one bill and the senate passing the other and they go to a conference. while they're talking about now is a kind of pre-conference. they're negotiating now. they're exchanging ideas now because in the house, for example, there are a lot of vulnerable democrats in kind of
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moderate or swing districts. and they don't want to vote for one bill that they have to answer for, only to have to vote for a second bill. they're willing to go along with something quite big. but they want to catch one vote for something that will pass, not a vote for something that's symbolic for a negotiation purpose. and so i love your introduction, lawrence, because i think you're exactly right. this is going to look like it's falling apart a number of times before it comes together. but the sense i get from the committee chairs and other senators i've talked to and members of the house, is that democrats know that if they don't get something done, if they let this collapse, the whole party from senator left will look terrible. joe biden will take a defeat. and nothing would be more certain to cause them to lose them both houses in 2022.
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everyone wants to avoid that. >> mitch mcconnell doesn't have any power over the democrats only bill but i think he does have some power over the bipartisan agreement that the senators worked on, because it looks to me that mitch mcconnell only has to pull away one or two, or maybe three republicans from that bipartisan agreement and that thing collapses in the senate. but let's concentrate for the moment on the democrats only bill, which in many ways is more complex. when i watch for is, what does joe manchin say that bernie sanders cannot live with? and what is bernie sanders say joe manchin cannot live with? and i am not hearing that right now. i'm not hearing a red line being drawn by either bernie sanders or joe manchin in a way that prevents the two of them coming to an agreement. and for me, they represent both ends of the democratic party in the house and the senate. and if they can get together on
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something, that is going to be the bill. >> no, i think that's right. i think one of the issues will simply be the size of it. the number manchin has thrown out is two trillion dollars. the number that bernie has thrown out is 5 to 6 trillion. i have a suspicion that both of them are at a negotiating position. funnily enough, president biden who seems to have a knack for finding the center of the democratic party proposed something around 4.5 trillion dollars. and they're just gonna be arguments about the number. there will be arguments about the size and increase in the corporate tax. but again, they're not arguing about the different ways that biden wants 28. manchin -- >> i think we have a problem. >> -- there. i'm sorry? >> go ahead, e.j. >> i'm sorry,
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they're in the same ballpark there. and on a lot of the substance most democrats are for all these things, we want to expand health care. they want to expand childcare. they want to help people go to college and so i think the question is just how much can you fit into this bill? and how big can be? on the filibuster, i heard a fascinating thing today which is the possibility that they might only get five or six republican votes but several republicans who wouldn't vote for it would agree to support closure so you can separate the two, that you would have republicans letting the bill go forward but not all of them voting for it. that would make mcconnell very unhappy and it's an interesting possibility. >> that kind of vote used to happen in the senate all the time. voting to allow culture but then voting against the bill. it used to be considered to different things but it's a new senate now. e. j. dionne, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate. it will be right back. ht back.
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the most important story of this year. every -- texas legislator robin tomorrow morning for texas republicans to begin trying to pass their revised voter restrictions bill. also tomorrow, president biden plead plans to meet with several right leaders to talk about the laws in the state senate. and tomorrow we will be joined by eric holder. he is the chair of the national democratic distrusting community, which he started with president barack obama. gerrymandering is how republicans plan to win the midterm elections in 2022, and donald trump's former doctor now is a republican congressman in congress. he actually admitted that. we have everything working in our favor right now. republicans control most of the process in states around the country. that alone should get as the
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