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that process, that alone should get us the majority back. >> eric holder will tell us about a new initiative that his committee is launching to fight back against republican gerrymandering efforts. we'll talk about that and much more, tomorrow night. that is tonight's last word. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. ♪♪ good evening once again. i'm ali velshi, in for brian williams. day 169 of the biden administration. the effort to find survivors in surfside, florida, has been under way for two weeks. in less than an hour, it will transition from rescue to recovery. the mayor announced the difficult decision. >> they've used every possible
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strategy. they've removed over 7 million pounds of concrete and debris from the mound. they've used sonar, cameras, dogs, heavy machinery. they ran into a building they were told could collapse. and they braved fire, smoke, torrential rain, and strong winds in the hopes of finding people alive. at this point, we have truly exhausted every option available to us. to share this news with the families this evening who are still missing their loved ones was devastating. so the decision to transition from rescue to recovery is an extremely difficult one. >> a few hours ago, first responders joined officials on site to mark the transition with a moment of silence. the number of people killed
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stands at 54, with 87 unaccounted for. >> every single victim uncovered is somebody's child, somebody's mother. somebody's teacher, somebody's colleague. a classmate. a best friend. >> the mayor also noted that president biden, who visited surfside just last week, had called to offer more assistance. the president was back out on the road today, trying to sell his american families plan, a proposal to provide hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funds for child care, health care, and education. today, he was pitching the plan in illinois, an area won by his republican predecessor, but represented by democrats in congress. he urged congress to pass the plan, along with the bipartisan infrastructure agreement. >> what i want to talk about
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today is human infrastructure. to truly build an economy from the bottom up, and the middle out. we need to invest in our people. my american families plan and the other elements of the build back better agenda, experts on wall street have said we'll create millions of good paying jobs for years and decades to come. >> politico reports that the bipartisan infrastructure deal could hit the senate floor as early as the week of july 19th. there's another urgent issue now on the president's agenda. he's under increasing pressure to respond to the latest ransomware attack believed to be the work of a group from russia. the white house also keeping a close eye on the situation in haiti. overnight, unknown assailants
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fatally shooting the president and critically wounding his wife. their interim prime minister says the nation is now under a state of siege. and there are increasing fears the assassination could set off a new wave of violence, plunging haiti into chaos. >> we need a lot more information. but it's very worrisome. >> in this country, one of the remaining reminders of the political violence that erupted in washington six months ago will soon be removed. the united states capitol police say temporary fencing installed following january 6th will begin coming down as soon as friday. it could be reinstalled if needed. and kevin mccarthy is said to be speaking to republican members of his conference about serving on the house select committee to investigate the insurrection.
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he's expected to appoint five members to the panel. more on that coming up. but you will recall that after the riot, the twice impeached ex-president was booted off social media when the tech company leaders determined he was violating the rules. today, he's suing these companies. trump argues the bans, imposed by private social media companies amount to an infringement of his first amendment rights. >> we're asking them to order an immediate halt to social media companies' illegal, shameful censorship. we're demanding an end to the shadow banning, a stop to the
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silencing and a stop to the blacklisting, banishing, and cancelling. if they can do it to me, they can do it to anyone. >> almost immediately, he began to fund raise off of the threatened lawsuit. and one of his former lawyers is now barred from practicing law in yet another u.s. jurisdiction. d.c.'s highest court has now suspended rudy giuliani's license. meanwhile, in new york city, essential workers were honored today with a ticker tape parade. even with the recent retreat of the virus thanks to mass vaccinations, health experts are closely watching the spread of new variants. today, the cdc confirmed the delta variant is now the dominant strain in the united states. with that, let's bring in our
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guests on this wednesday night. peter baker, the chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," barbara mcquaid, a professor at university of michigan law school, and co-host of the podcast sisters-in-law. and ron insana, good evening to all three. thank you for being here. peter, in illinois, in a district that his predecessor won, but a democrat represents in congress, not entirely solid democratic ground. but his american families plan that he was pitching today, and the jobs act, the infrastructure bill, are both much more popular in america than republicans in congress would have you believe.
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>> you have a president unlike his predecessor who is trying to build on his coalition, trying to go beyond the people who voted for him a few months ago to expand his support base. and his approval rating right now is hovering in the low 50% range. higher than trump ever got. president trump didn't actually try to expand his base. he stuck with the people who brought him there, he thought he could reproduce that same inside straight that won the electoral college but not the popular vote a second time. president biden is trying to reach out to districts where he has a chance of winning over people, trying to appeal to them with programs like his social spending, infrastructure plan, and trying to improve people's lives. >> it's appealing to americans all over the country, more jobs,
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higher wages, investments in their communities. but republicans are saying that all of this government activity, assistance to people that is stopping them from taking jobs, that contributes to inflation and overheating of the economy. what do you make of that? >> i think it's an overheated degree of rhetoric among some who suggest that inflation is more than just transitory as the federal reserve has described it. we've seen some disruptions in the supply chain around the world, creating shortages of different commodities, partly a result of the pandemic and other reasons. i agree with the fed. i think this inflation pop is temporary. the economy is growing at the fastest clip since ronald reagan. i don't think it's in danger of overheating, because we still have 8.5 million unemployed people. until the 9.5 million jobs are
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filled, i don't think it's something we ought to be worried about. we ought to be worried about getting back to full employment and getting the economy on a sustainable growth path for the long term. >> barbara, you talked about trump's chances in this lawsuit against the social media giants. i think you said they were little to none. since then, his lead attorney has been on fox, commenting on your comments, suggesting the social media companies can be subject to first amendment censorship laws, even though they're private companies. the first amendment speaks about government censorship. >> the first five words of the first amendment, congress shall make no law abridging the right to free speech. it's about protecting the rights of all of us from government overreach. so twitter and facebook and youtube, these are all private companies. they don't have first amendment
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rights that can be recovered for in a lawsuit. it's as if you had a gathering at your home, and somebody came in and started screaming. and inciting violence in your home. you could ask him to leave. it's exactly the same thing when it comes to social media companies. i think this lawsuit is going nowhere. >> but there might be some purpose to the lawsuit, you surmise it might be exactly what happened today. trump announced the lawsuit, then announced fund-raising. >> there may be a couple of motives, a distraction, getting the indictment from last week out of the headlines, the indictment of the trump organization and weisselberg. and president trump using it as an opportunity to raise funds
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off of a grievance. he structured it as a class action. not just he, himself, but everyone who was kicked off of social media. if they can do this to me, they can do this to you. that is a manipulation tactic that we see president trump use constantly. and this lawsuit is not going to go anywhere. and i think one of the tells is, if you were to expect this lawsuit to advance, he would have to produce discovery about his conduct on january 6th, which is the topic of his expulsion from the social media companies, and he won't have to. >> he was asked about that, peter, about his role on january 6th. listen to what he said. >> what did you do to stop the insurrection as some people call it, and why were you not able to stop it?
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>> so that whole event, unfortunate event, just went through congress, and a report was issued, and my name wasn't even mentioned. >> peter, the report that donald trump talks about does mention donald trump's name. in fact, the report mentions his name more than 40 times. but donald trump refers to it as an unfortunate event, the unfortunate event of january 6th. what does this tell you about how he sees himself in relation to january 6th and the insurrection? >> well, first of all, report wasn't examining the actions of the president, it was about how to study what happened on january 6th. and we saw a partisan vote that ended the possibility of a
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9/11-style commission, so nancy pelosi created a party line, you know, commission that will be run by democrats and republicans who are currently office-holders, with liz cheney serving among the democratic appointees. that may or may not get us to a consensus view of what happened, because it will almost certainly be a partisan exercise. but the reason why president trump hasn't been scrutinized as much is because we haven't had an instrument to do that. and i think president trump's actions remain unexplained today. the question is unanswered, what did he know, what did he do? his own vice president is in danger, he doesn't take any action that we saw, that he's explained to us, to protect or, you know, rescue his vice president. much less the members of congress who are under threat. he has to be talked into putting
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out a video by his staff late in the day, one that seems to still encourage the rioters, even as he's staying they should go home, he says we love you. i think his actions that day are up for scrutiny. they have not really been fully explained to the public yet. because he's not faced any accountability, you know, structure. either a commission or a legal proceeding of any sort. >> ron, while the concept of a legal commission or something of that -- occupies a lot of people on capitol hill, it doesn't seem to be occupying the president of the united states, who seems focused on getting this infrastructure bill, the american jobs act and the american family plan, that he was talking about in illinois today. you and i are old enough to remember a day when infrastructure was bipartisan. you know there have to be some republicans who want this, but it's having a hard time getting
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full bipartisan support. >> yeah, there's a sudden preoccupation with debt and deficits that hasn't existed for several years. now we have this contentious environment even around something as basic and neglected as the hard infrastructure of the united states. we know about roads, tunnels, and bridges, and there's a bridge, a gap, i should say, between the two parties on this. no matter how much you spend, this should be for everyone effectively an automatic pass. it's desperately needed. it's been neglected. and even the soft infrastructure that the president has talked about, when you talk about trying to get people back to work, mothers, 2 million of whom have left the workforce to oversee education during the pandemic, 3 million have retired
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prematurely. we have to do almost everything we can to get people back to work and encourage them to do so, whether it's hard infrastructure or soft infrastructure. otherwise the economy can't grow at its fullest potential. and if that's the case, debt and deficits will be just one of our worries going forward. >> and what is the sense at the white house, peter? it seems like the white house is saying congressional democrats can deal with january 6th, we're focused on other stuff. >> i think that's right. you're seeing a remarkably and probably surprisingly disciplined president biden. that's not something joe biden was known for in the senate, when he was known as a gaffe machine at times, saying things off-script. he's been remarkably disciplined, sticking to his message, program, and agenda. he's avoided the traps so far, for the most part, of speaking out on issues like january 6th, or a lot of the culture war
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stuffs that republicans would like to engage in a debate with on. he's saying, i have a limited amount of time, a very narrow majority in the house and senate to work with. there's little time to waste on distractions. he has stayed very focused on his agenda. it may not get there, but it won't be because he didn't spend enough time focusing on it. >> thank you to the three of you, peter, barbara, and ron. coming up, it sure looks like vladimir putin is ignoring joe biden's warning on cyber attacks. so now what? and later, the top house republicans is about to make a big decision, whether to try to own the libs or help hold insurrectionists accountable. "the 11th hour" is just getting under way on a wednesday night. t
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this is vladimir putin. of course he's going to test us. of course he's going to listen to that and not respond until there is a greater response from our side. and i think now is the moment. i think that the president rightly drew some red lines. said you have to not do this. putin said, make my day. see if you can stop me. and now i think the administration has to respond more forcefully. >> the president met with top national security officials today after reports of two more russian cyber attacks. on sunday, a russian based group
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claimed responsibility for what may be the largest ransomware attack on the united states in history. and there are reports a republican national security committee contractor was attacked. back with us tonight, frank figliuzzi. thank you for being with us. i want to play with you what president biden said after meeting with putin last month. >> i pointed out to him, we have significant cyber capability. he doesn't know exactly what it is, but it's significant. if in fact they violate these basic norms, we will respond.
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cyber, he knows, in a cyber way. >> let's talk about that. that was pretty clear. you heard mike mcfaul talking about a red line. does what happened this weekend, the last two events we've heard about, does that constitute crossing that red line? >> i'm going to say probably not, ali. here's why. this is fraught with peril, and we don't have clear plans for this. the pentagon, for centuries, has drawn up war plans. they know what to do if this happens on the battlefield or that happens in terms of an attack. we don't really have this played out in terms of if they do this, we do that. it's easy for us to say, we need a tougher response, and, yes, we do. but exactly what that response should be, and what the repercussions should be, i'm not sure have played out. and i'm not sure the american
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people understand that we're quietly going to war almost every day, almost every holiday weekend, which is when the attacks come. they believe we're on vacation, the i.t. specialists will take time to notice it. we've had it on christmas, memorial day, and july 4th. and we're almost unable to see the difference between a nation-state actor, for example with the rnc contracting hack, that looks like russian intelligence service. but then we see this other attack on a software management firm for businesses, shut down 800 supermarkets in sweden, countless other clients, that looks more like a russian based but criminal organization. very tough to say let's do this, without understanding what the repercussions are. >> let's talk about the new reporting that the computer code
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behind this massive ransomware attack was designed to bypass computers that principally use the russian language or the language of countries that are friendly with the kremlin. i don't know what we're supposed to make about that. the reporting suggests that these people are sort of getting away with this with the sanction of their governments. if they know they don't target people in russia or friendly countries, they're likely to be left alone for a while. are these people encouraged by the russian government, are they part of the russian government, or are the russians just happy they're needling the west? >> this is about as close as you're going to get to state-sponsored terrorism in the cyber world. the code in the ransomware attacks is written so it will never attack russian targets. that seems to be putin telling these organizations, i'm going to give you license to operate.
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just don't ever let this unleash on one of our companies or one of our agencies. that's essentially state sponsorship. that's why you'll see our entire u.s. intelligence community directed even at these criminal organizations, because they're so closely tied to the russian government. they present a national security concern for the united states. >> what is the end game for putin here? the attacks hold people's information ransom for money, they get the money. unlike a normal terrorist attack that we're familiar with, there is something to be gained from it. what is the end game here? >> well, first, let's remember, putin simply wants to sow discord and chaos, and undermine our democracy. we've seen that in election cycles, now we're seeing it in attacks on our food supply with jbs, attacks on our fuel supply with colonial. and you'll continue to see these kind of things.
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it's almost all he's got left, ali. his economy is suffering. sanctions have taken a bite out of him. he's kind of a second tier country without his army, he's got almost nothing. he's got this to play with and wreak havoc with. we have to shore up our defenses and critical infrastructure. and we need to have the war plans ready, if he does this, we will do this. let's think it through quickly. it's landed on joe biden's desk, like it or not, he's the guy who will deep with it. he's got to confront this. >> frank, always good to see you in front of that desert landscape. we'll talk soon. coming up, each day brings new reasons to ask how much outrage republicans are willing to tolerate in the pursuit of
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as we mentioned, nbc news reports that kevin mccarthy is going to appoint republicans to the january 6th committee. and the path he takes could shape his political future, as he eyes the speaker's gavel in
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2023. some want the gop leader to pick fighters skilled enough to withstand a months-long bombardment from democrats trying to spotlight the former president's role in the attack led by his supporters. stewart stevens, now with the lincoln project, good evening. kevin mccarthy has gone full circle on this thing. the day of and the day after january 6th, he seemed to understand the danger he and his colleagues and staff all faced on that day. now he's simply an obstructionist. at some point, it will come back
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to bite him. >> i think he's a lot worse than an obstructionist, i think he's not for democracy. a guy like mccarthy is an easy guy to dismiss. he's sort of a buffoon, should be a perennial rush chairman at some frat. but that doesn't mean he's not dangerous. history is filled with people who seemed harmless, who played dangerous roles in ending democracy. and we should take mccarthy very seriously, and understand that he does not have the same vision of a democratic, free democracy that most of us have. >> cornell, at some point, though, nancy pelosi has got this committee under way, or is going to have this committee under way. she had the first move, she brought liz cheney in. mccarthy has a choice. he fills the five seats or he
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does not. does it matter how he fills them? obviously, we would like people who would do their duty. but mccarthy probably doesn't see it that way. >> it's politically tough for them. once you start down the road of lying, it's hard to get off that road. it becomes tough to put serious-minded, the few serious-minded republicans there that are in the caucus that want to take this seriously. most of them have already sided with donald trump, and are full-on and owning the big lie. so politically, i think it becomes really tough for him to put members on this who take this serious. and it becomes what representative gaetz says, a republican hunt committee. if you start connecting the dots, there will be an awful lot
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of republicans in congress who frankly went along with this or at least, you know, gave it cover in a way that most americans will not be comfortable with. and i think he actually puts in on that committee a lot of folks who are in the end going to raise a lot of money from their base by going viral around this committee. and it will do our democracy a great disservice. >> stuart, how does this play out? that can be done, we've seen members of congress who can make theater out of these things. but in the end, when they go to their districts, has this big lie permeated enough that they can get away with this, or will good conservative people in this country say, this is not what we stand for? >> i think there are some of those. but when we're looking for
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republicans to do something out of principle that is right for the country, we've been continually disappointed. i think this is a war. and any war that the other side has a voice, and it's important that democrats make 2022 a referendum on democracy. 2020 was a referendum on trump. this is the next step. to win a national election when you're in power, you have to nationalize the election. it's only been done three times in an off-year in the last 125 years. i was part of that in 2002, a nationalization about the iraq war. this is a referendum on democracy. you elevate the stakes, and get out of this process, this bill or that bill, and make it big, i think democrats can carry the day in 2022. >> cornell, how does that play out? because ultimately, you have to make it big, because ultimately that is what stuart is talking
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about. it is about democracy, it's not about a little thing or a little committee. it's about a lie that has perpetuated a bigger lie, and led to all sorts of things. the elections in america are secure. >> it's good to hear you say that, because i've been on the other side of nationalized elections. and they've done it very successfully. on the same side, democrats have always historically been sort of cautious about nationalizing elections. republicans have done very well when they have nationalized elections. but he's spot-on, it is about the big picture here is, middle america, all the suburban districts, especially the suburban college educated white women who gave democrats a
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chance in 2018 and 2020, and who have been breaking more republican than democrat historically. does your future and your children's future look brighter if republicans succeed in undermining democracy? and democracy has to be on the ballot in these upcoming midterm elections. i'm with my republican friend on this idea that we should make this about democracy. i have to bring some of my democratic friends along on this, because they'll try to make it about everything except the big picture of democracy. and i think that's where democrats are awful in their messaging on this. but i have faith we can help bring them along about nationalizing the election, and making it about democracy. because there's no bigger question than are we going to be a democracy or not? >> what an important discussion,
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thank you so both of you for being part of this, cornell and stuart. stay with us. we want to talk next about what is next for president biden, his push for voting rights. as state republicans make it harder to vote, when "the 11th hour" continues. multivitamin gummies. with vitamins c, d & zinc for immunity support. plus 8 b-vitamins for brain support. one a day and done.
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about whether you're concerned about voter access, 85% of democrats are more concerned with voter access. 25% of republicans are concerned about voter access. 72% of republicans are concerned about voter eligibility. meaning, people who are not eligible to vote actually voting in elections. could you please tell this audience how big a deal that is, how much of an issue people who are ineligible voting in elections is in america? >> well, ali, as you know, we don't have widespread voter fraud in this country, we don't have widespread problems with ineligible voters voting in this country. it's part of the big lie, and the republican base has bought in to that big lie. that's part of the problem, what is going on right now. once you start lying, you can't get off of that train.
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everything you're seeing happen right now has to feed into that lie. the good news is, you still have a majority of independent voters in this country who are more concerned about voter access. it goes back to the initial point, fighting for democracy is a winning issue for democrats if they embrace it going into the midterms. >> stuart, here's the problem. i've had a number of conservatives say to me, don't you want elections to be safe, shouldn't we make them absolutely as safe as we can? but our elections are fundamentally safe. people have bought into the idea that there was fraud. and a plurality of republicans believe something bad happened in this past election. >> yes, and if joe biden is an
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illegitimate president, we don't live in a democracy. that's the heart of the danger of the path that republicans have gone down. they're the heirs to the legacy of the greatest generation, who fought fascism, who fought people who had the same views about limiting people from voting. there is not a problem with voter fraud in this country. it simply doesn't exist. >> cornell, in texas, house republicans are heading into a special legislative session, they're proposing banning drive-through and overnight early voting. and it looks like texas republicans have looked at everything that worked to get people out to vote, and decided we're going to ban this. this is something that is
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catching on all across america. the impetus for this is stopping fraud. stopping bad things from happening. but in texas, like in arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, and georgia, bad things didn't happen. more people just voted. >> well, can we be real here for a moment? it's to stop people who quite frankly look like me from exercising political power. the truth of the matter is, you're going to hear more calls about a stolen election as the country over the next decade and a half moves closer to majority minority. because those playing a zero sum racial game and the tribalism game, think they every political stride that people who look like me make in this country is them losing out. until we have the real conversation about we're all one america, you don't lose if a black man is elected president.
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your tribe isn't losing, we're going to have real problems. i only see this accelerating until we get to that moment in this country when we tilt toward a majority minority country, and those trying to stop minorities and progressives from exercising their political power. >> i hope you're wrong. the problem is, you're not often wrong. cornell, stuart, thank you for being with us tonight. coming up, an inside look at bagram airfield in afghanistan, just hours after u.s. troops left the base. that's when "the 11th hour" continues. 1th hour" continues. in the air and on soft surfaces. for 45 days.
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left. richard engel got a rare look at what remains at the now vacated bagram airfield. >> reporter: inside, there are miles of unguarded roads and barracks. and a chill-out area, christmas ornaments, care packages, and hundreds of very usable vehicles. some fire trucks, too. and the heart of the base, the runways. i borrowed a bike soldiers left behind, and pedalled down what was one of the most active runways for strikes against the taliban and al qaeda. it doesn't just feel like a ghost town. it almost feels post-apo
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post-apocalyptic. when u.s. troops left, they cut the power. the afghans, a soldier told me, can't get it working. how do you feel about the way the americans left this base? i don't want to talk about it, he said. you hand over a base, but you can't turn on the power, it's not too useful. the main battle planning room is off-line. here are the racks that had all the computers and servers, that's all been stripped out. the americans say they handed over this base to the afghans in an orderly way so they could continue the fight against extremists. they left them a base that the americans, it looks like they looted themselves. but the hospital on base is
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still well stocked. plenty of drugs and valuable equipment. so this is good, very useful for you? many afghan soldiers are angry, but they don't seem to be making the most of what they have. you would hardly know there's a war outside, and that the taliban are making rapid advances now that the americans have left. bagram feels vulnerable, and there are thousands prisoners inside. now that the power is cut, the base defenses are disrupted. if the taliban were able to break them out, it would be a huge fighting force right on the doorstep of kabul. >> richard, thank you. coming up, it's a presidential love story for the ages.
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have known each other virtually since birth. their love story blossomed in world war ii, and survived political life. two years ago, the length of their marriage surpassed that of george w. and barbara bush. jimmy is also the longest lived president in american history. and the carters offered some advice after 7 1/2 decades of marriage. >> what is the secret, when you don't see eye-to-eye on something for how you patch it back together? >> at the end of the day, we fought to become reconciled, and overcome the differences that arose during the day. we also make up and give each other a kiss before we go to sleep. we really try to become
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completely reconciled each night before we go to sleep. >> we try to become completely reconciled each night before we go to sleep. a bit of marital advice to end the night. that ends tonight, the first lady of the nation of haiti, as in the united states. he arrived in miami for medical treatment. she said to be in critical condition, with multiple gunshot wounds. she apparently was shot in her home, in the middle of the night, last night, by armed attackers who shot and grievously injured her. the same armed attackers killed her husband, the president of haiti. the u.s. has told staff now at our u.s. embassy in haiti, that they cannot leave the grounds of t


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