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hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. president biden is betting that ending the coronavirus and boosting the economy will put him squarely on the offense heading into the midterms even in the reddest of districts. with a swing in mchenry county, illinois. a senior west wing official telling me this is not like trump bouncing from 100% red rally to 100% red rally. biden is showing he can appeal in purple districts and the members there want him. the president is also determined to go around the obstruction committed gop and lead his party on party propoproposals.
when women bore the brunt of layoffs as well as, for the most part, response for home schooling their kids. president biden touting his plans for families, housing and human infrastructure that he says will boost our economy post pandemic and for years to come. >> my plan is to provide access to quality affordable child care with more child care centers and community college campuses with new and upgraded facilities all across the country. my american families plan and the other elements of the build back better, experts on wall street analysts have said we will create millions of good paying jobs for years and decades to come. i'm going to be making the case to the american people until the job is done. until we bring this bipartisan deal home, until we meet the needs of family and we can pay for it. there's a lot of work to finish the job.
we're going to get it done. reimagine what our economy and future could be and show the world just as importantly show ourselves that defensemen crass -- democracy can deliver the people of illinois and america and the world can lead again. >> the chicago sun times writes this. quote, president joe biden is taking himself to tough political turf with his visit to crystal lake in mchenry county where voters rejected them in 2020. illinois democrats are baffled to the visit to one of the bluest parts in the nation but are happy he's coming. press secretary jen psaki was pressed on the stops. >> he ran as someone who would represent not just democrats, not just independents but all people. i would see this as less of a political trip and more of an
opportunity to speak to all americans about why his build back agenda and making community college more affording, universal pre-k a reality that all political stripes should support. >> and the gop leaving no doubt their obstruction of the biden agenda is their agenda. republican congressman chip roy let the cat out of the bag claiming this. quote, honestly, right now, for the next 18 months, our job is to do everything we can to slow all of that down. to get to december of 2022 and then get in there and lead. the gop's bet on the very popular domestic agenda is where we start with some of our favorite reporters and friends. joining us tim miller, writer
at-large for the bulwark, and eugene robinson is back. lucky for all all three msnbc contributors. jonathan, i want to show you more of president biden having some fun with his old friend, mitch mcconnell. >> mitch mcconnell loves our program. did you see what he said? he told me he wasn't going to get a single vote to allow me to get, with the help of everybody here, $1.9 trillion -- excuse me, the program for economic growth -- look it up, man. he's bragging about it in kentucky of it's a great thing for kentucky. getting $4 billion. >> so the president is right, mitch mcconnell did say this. quote, i didn't vote for the american rescue plan but you're going to get a lot more money. cities and counties will get close to $700 million or $800
million. $4 billion in our state. so this is the conundrum, i guess, is the word for it. republicans are against policies that mitch mcconnell knows his own constituents support. >> that's right, nicolle. the president's trip to illinois and other visits to republican strongholds highlight what has been the white house's message from the early days of the administration. though republican lawmakers aren't supporting biden's agenda, republican voters are and he's trying to take that message right to them, to their backyard. mcconnell is correct. he said that obviously there's a lot of money pouring into kentucky and other states and maybe it's too much money. that we don't need this federal spending with concerns about inflation, signs the economy is picking up and employers are
struggling to find workers to take the jobs. the biden team loves this messaging. these are things that are broadly popular and it's showing that the united states government can still work and biden is not afraid to call out those republicans who, in his mind, are hypocritical, who are extolling their virtues. i was with him on a stop, i believe, in pennsylvania, where he pulled out a note card that had a list of lawmakers on them who have praised projects funded by the covid relief bill but yet none voted for them himself. this comes as he is trying to get this bipartisan infrastructure deal done touting that he was able to work across the aisle, that there are republicans who can come onboard and make sure the thing gets done as they also proceed at the same time for the much larger reconciliation bill. >> tim miller, it seems like a moment -- obstruction from republicans is nothing new.
was their reason for existing during the obama presidency. i guess, one, their voters don't feel the same way about president biden as they do about other democrats. not just president obama but other democrats who i think don't have as much appeal to those coveted swing voters. president biden has them. they had them on election day and even more behind his domestic agenda. what do you make of this legislative. >> he has been maintaining a steady 52% approval rating by doing things, by talking about and acting on popular agenda items, items like you and jonathan have said are popular with some republican voters, with your suburban former never trumper swing voters, some with the older working class democratic voters who moved into the trump column.
i think by staying focused on this agenda, the last time i was on your show before i came on talking about funding the police, not defunding the police. i think that puts him in a really good place and puts people like chip roy backed into this corner. look at who chip roy has to talk to. he sends out a tweet that says come inject it. like threatening the president, going to people's doors and saying, do you want the vaccine? he's not forcing anybody. he's offering and providing access to the vaccine. chip roy was the one giving a press conference saying we had to get rid of liz cheney for speaking out against the insurrection. we need to stop every agenda item because of chaos. where roy is putting himself is on an agenda that's
pro-coup,pro- chaos, pro-covid. he's speaking to this 20% tiny bubble. there are other issues i think republicans could make gains into the democratic base. that's not what they're doing at least right now. >> let me follow up with you because this is so intriguing to me. and i'm not sort of foolish enough to think that the trumpist message -- tucker carlson is talking to a pretty big audience. i know there's an appetite for what that part of the party is selling. i think you're hitting on something more salient and seems to tether the biden administration and this white house to every public statement, every travel decision, their choices are so careful about what they put -- and his approval rating is at 52% to 62% in the last five to six weeks.
the agenda items, the money for child care, some of the pieces for the infrastructure plan, so it is even more popular than a popular president. what you're describing are the republicans being boxed out. of course they will find an audience and will be able to get booked on fox news when they pray the ex-president's lunatic first amendment suit against a company. but that is not what people are fredding about and i wonder if you think there will be a come to jesus or a culture on the right that will say you are in a nose dave? >> we'll see you come next summer whether this changes, whether it's too late. we're far away from the midterms and i think there are areas they have opportunities. they thought defund the police
was an tuned to gain into biden. when you look at biden's consistency and messaging, a big part is what he's not talking about. we don't even know what biden's opinion is on a lot of these culture war du jour movies. biden has stayed away from all of that and those are areas where maybe some in the democratic base are out of step with what the middle wants. i think as long as biden continues on this economic populist agenda, these popular policy issues and the republicans are forced into this corner where they're talking about things that are really popular among their fox news audience, people who show up to their events but aren't adding to the pie at all will allow biden to continue what's worked for him through his victory last year.
>> the travel becomes the message and the message the moderation. when you go into red districts, it doesn't matter if you're taughting -- what he's really taughting are the most progressive aspects of the plan that weren't part of the bipartisan deal. by doing so in red districts you just had the patina of moderation. i wonder if they haven't just figured something out by having bipartisan support in the country, taking whatever message in red districts and saying everybody cares about child care. we will not always cover a white house on the offense but this seems to be the case. >> i think it is. it's very clear that president biden's theory of the case is based on the middle, based on those swing districts that can
go red and one might suspect might go to the republicans in a midterm or a new president first term, the other party generally gains seats. so you can list those districts and buy those districts, what i think will be president biden's travel agenda over the next little while. and it is all based on the policies which are popular on demonstrating that he is doing things that these people want, that they're interesting in. and that he's not playing the culture wars. and i'm not minimizing the culture wars because they can be effectively politically but much more effective with the base than voters who are independent and can go either way and who
are -- the biden people believe are likely to either stick to or switch to the democrats if he continues to deliver policies that they support. >> one of the places that it is my sense this white house feels some pressure from the democratic base, the truth of the matter is the republican state legislatures have steamrolled all opposition in the states and at the national level and they have passed more than 200 laws, 389 of them are under consideration in 48 states and so far very little action. very little building of public support. i want to show you an ad republicans have put up sort of an offshoot of the never trump
republicans to help push this issue to the center of everyone's focus. let me show you. >> for the right to vote is the crown jewel of american liberties, and we will not see its luster diminished. >> republican efforts to restrict voting undermine democracy and betray america's deepest values. protect americans' right to vote. join us at republicans for voting rights. >> so this is what greg sergeant writes about this ad and campaign. is it possible to defend boating writes and defend the integrity of trump's loss as pivotal to the larger mission of protecting democracy while remaining a member in good standing in today's gop? the new group will help shed light on a big unknown, about never trump republicans' condemnation of trump's attacks on democracy. after trump, another anti-democratic tactics. the group seems to answer with a clear yes. this, to me, is interesting. you have a group of republicans
and you have a lot of prominent republican groups, tim rand one of them, aiding with some of the messaging that no doubtedly impacted the moderate voters we're talking about today. now they seem to be getting to the left on democracy and voting rights. >> yeah, it's clear the republicans behind those ads, if they're not in the minority they're not the loudest part of their party both the national and state level there has been a consistent really sweeping efforts to change voting laws at the state level to restrict access to the ballot box and it has become as some democrats put it the existential threat to the democracy and to the nation itself. we've seen the heaviest of hitters including senate leader mitch mcconnell trying to block to change it. this is an issue. the democrats have started to take some heat. this is a white house that has
enjoyed broad popularity among members of the democratic party, certainly progressives for now has held their fire on a lot of issues but this is one where the pressure is building biden has spoken powerfully about the right to vote and this is disenfranchising minority voters. biden enjoyed broad support from black voters, latino voters in the last election. he's going to be meeting with civil rights leaders on this very topic. the vice president has an event tomorrow on this topic. where the white house has been teasing out for a few weeks this will be the beginning of a real all-out push on the subject. for many democrats it's about time, frankly, is their answer. biden needs to step up publicly on the issue that could include pressuring the senate to change the filibuster. it seems only some filibuster
reform could lead to any sort of passage of a measure to protect voting rights on the federal level. the white house has heard these cries. it's unclear that far in the senate but will up the rhetorical game starting tomorrow. >> tim, the rhetorical game is aided by some of these republicans making these ads, by activists like o'rourke, who is making the case that in texas they will not live in a democracy anymore. i don't know -- the white house has done a lot of listening and that's good and seems to be on the agenda tomorrow. but it's a white house that managed to stick needles with miracle vaccines in the arms of millions and millions and millions of people. i'm not sure why there isn't a plan for action that has been articulated yet. >> yeah, and michael steele is in the bulwark writing about this and how not necessarily letting what the progressive
activists want to think but to get an action item to something that with a allow for manchin to file comfortable or to find work arounds. when are more narrow ways to protect writes. maybe looking at the electoral vote count act and get republicans onboard and pushing this where you would have people like mitt romney say if not for all these voting rights reforms but i can make sure the house of representatives doesn't try to overturn an election anytime in the future and we can make the rules around the counting more specific. this is a much bigger challenge than that. it might be time as we get closer and closer to the midterms to look at what are some more narrow ways to protect individual group voting rights and the broader democratic
project, frankly. >> eugene, i have been covering this issue since the first stories emerged about the georgia law signed into law. major league baseball moved the all-star game to colorado, and 389 laws, you talk to democrats privately they mumble about mark elias, one man doing the lord's work as is stacy abrams. why are democrats so complacent on an issue that could deprive them of majorities in the house and senate and access to the white house for the reason republicans are saying out loud what they are doing, rigging the electorate, why isn't this a four-alarm fire? >> well, i think it is a four-alarm fire, nicolle. i know a lot were not play sent
at all about this. but there's the fact of the 50/50 senate. that's what we're living with and so the best result democrats can anticipate getting right now is what joe manchin and maybe a couple of others are willing to go to the mat for. and that may, as tim suggested, that may be something less than the protection of voting rights bill that is now being considered by the senate. maybe it's something like the hr-4 bill that the senate can take up. the john lewis bill that reinforces or reauthorizes sections of the voting rights act and in a different way than
the support would exempt and preclearance, an important concept. the other thing that can and must happen is that mark elias can't be the only one challenging these laws in court. merrick garland has to be there, too. we still have a federal rights division and courts and they ought to be in those courts challenging the laws especially the ones that are particularly onerous and obviously anti-democratic. they may win, they may lose but they ought to be in there fighting. >> eugene, i never, ever, ever disagree with your analysis. i'm going to push bash back. republicans and legislatures viewed this as existential and so they wrote legislation and
they shipped it out to the state legislatures and governor abbott shut down the state house to get it through. it is under way, i think, as we speak today. i don't hear chuck schumer talk about it on a daily basis. i don't see recess canceled. i don't see counter suits filed in every single state. the republican action is malevolent but it is frantic, desperate, for their political survival. i don't see that on the left. >> well, i won't argue with a lot of that because you are not hearing as much public hair on fire reaction from democrats. as, frankly, we should be hearing. i do think there is activity. i wish there were more, and i hope there is more because this is serious this is our democracy
and it is under threat. >> tim miller and eugene are sticking around. jonathan, thank you for starting off your reporting. stunning even for trump, another new scoop from michael bender's great new book reveals donald trump's praise for hitler. yes, you heard us correctly. plus, the state of new york. democratic voters make it clear fears over crime are at the top of their agenda. and vladimir putin's latest test of president joe biden just three weeks after their face-to-face summit in geneva. all those stories and more when "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace continues. s. ♪ ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service.
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ahead of the publication of a brand-new book detailing the 2020 election in the waning days of the former guy's presidency another story has been released which reportedly left trump's own chief of staff at the time, john kelly, quote, stunned. after obtaining a copy of michael bender's new book, "the guardian" is report that go during a trip to europe to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of world war i trump told kelly this. hitler did a lot of good things. the remark was reportedly made during an apparent history lesson in which he, quote, reminded the president which countries were on which side during the conflict. according to bender's sources kelly pushed back despite trump's insistence on the economic recovery with kelly replying that even if his claim were true, quote, you cannot ever say anything supportive of
adolf hitler, end quote n. a statement trump's spokesperson said this. this is totally false. president trump never said this. it is made up fake news probably by a general who was incompetition and was fired. trump himself denied the conversation to michael bender. general kelly has not yet responded to requests for comment. paul rycoff, president of righteous media and the host of independent americans podcast. tim and eugene are still with us. there's so much reporting i'm not going to read all of it now. "the atlantic" reported the same thinned of underdoens and reporting and trump has talked about the germans publicly before. what do you make of these revelations in michael bender's new book and the disparaging comments about general kelly in knocking them down?
>> well, it's not a glitch. it's not a slip-up. it's a feature. it's a part of a consistent and ongoing strategy to push certain types of messages and those messages right now are continuing to fuel domestic insurgency and extreme all across america even as someone in the spokesperson's office tries to walk it back, if you're a member of qanon, if you're a member of a group operating in america this is another signal you have the support of the former president of the united states who is continuing to be at war in public with a variety of senior and -- current and former senior members, whether it's general kelly or the chairman of the joint chiefs. we continue to be at war with ourselves and these are signals to so many extremist groups that continued to operate every day. 11 heavily armed men were arrested in massachusetts in a standoff. a democratic elected official had her office shot at. oath keepers were arrested today by the fbi.
six months later there are still people at large who participated in the terrorist attack on the capitol on january 6. the stakes are very high and these messages continue to fuel and empower these people. it's a green light. there's a new one that fuels this security. >> it's a green light to the rhetoric about hitler that just hasn't been part of the public discourse. it's so heinous. you have people like marjorie taylor greene likening president biden's promise to go door-to-door offering people vaccines. it has been -- it wasn't here but has been ushered into the public square in a way that is help rehenceable and i want to know if you can speak more about that being part of the discourse and people attracted to extremism. >> it's consistent and it may be
a fringe part of the republican party but the same group of leaders very public, who are in elected positions, positions of power, that continue to repeat the same kind of messages. even if you gave them the benefit of the doubt and said they're sloppy slip-ups or ignorant, in american politics there used to be no room for talking positively about hitler. elements of the republican party continue to echo these messages and empower the most extreme, dangerous domestic groups in this country. this is more than just political slippage, more than just sloppy talk, and that is something our enemies celebrate, putin, kim jong-un. it looks like america is at war with itself. >> tim miller, john kelly is in this story, too. general kelly, whatever people think of his service to donald trump, is a celebrated general of the post-9/11 era and worked
for a president who he had to plead with to not praise hitler. i don't know where to begin but why hasn't someone like john kelly spoken out about the march toward autocracies and the party that's still following him? >> you know how to tickle things that get my goat, nicolle, because as soon as i heard this story, trump is heinous, stipulated. we know that. where is john kelly? where has he been? i appreciate the sacrifices his family has made but at the same time you have a responsibility and you were in the room. he had a responsibility to be on the record before the election that was a little too close for comfort, to be on the record between the election january 6 and the transfer of power january 20th he was nowhere.
michael bender, i'm sure it will be a great book that comes out nine months too late, frankly. it's frustrating there weren't more people speaking out at a time when it was urgent. when you hear this kind of talk, just adding on one other thing about paul, i don't want to create an equivalence that a president can say something like this is mind-boggling but anti-semitic talk all over politics. and having a president echo that is a problem and is extremely important that other folks on the left and the right when they see this kind of talk are speaking out and calling it out. we just went through a wave of violence and this has real life consequences.
it's not just loose talk. >> that we would even put it in the category of loose talk, an american president talking about the good things hitler did in europe. the ignorance and the affection for heinousness that smack you in the side of the head. what good could john kelly do for general milley or for the larger fight against extremism insigned the military by speaking ou against authoritarianism, all these impulses that are now flourishing? >> he can step up. he can answer the call to service. he sacrificed unimaginably with the loss of his son and he's had a tremendous service record over his time in uniform this is an existential threat. it's the number one security threat and trump is calling him a liar, besmirching his record,
has his minions coming after him. it's not just general milley. plenty said i couldn't speak out when i was in uniform or when i was inside. secretary austin has restrictions. general kelly needs to come out with everything he's got and try to organize others who can counter the narrative that trump has somehow captured the military or had this free reign over the pentagon. it wasn't trump's military. it was america's military. no one can say that more powerfully than someone like kelly. >> and this idea people like general didn't want to speak out, i think that was wrong but we're now dealing as a country with extremism in our military. in our congress. what good do you think that group could do by speaking out?
>> well, shape on all of them. shame on general kelly for not speaking out. shame on general mattis and quoted as referring to the president as a bleeping moron. why wasn't he on the record telling america what he knew about donald trump and now about being in the room with donald trump and how unwise it was to give this man the responsibility and how unthinkable for him to be re-elected. where were they all? and i don't get it. i don't understand. but i have to hold them responsible and hold them accountable for their silence
which is, at this point, unpatriotic. it is absolutely unpatriotic to maintain that silence and if they think it is the right thing to do for their country they need to think again. it's wrong. >> powerful words from eugene robinson. thank you all so much for spending some time with us today. when we come back, what democrats can pull from eric adams playbook after his narrow victory in the new york city mayoral. mayoral. ♪ ♪i've got the brains you've got the looks♪ ♪let's make lots of money♪ ♪you've got the brawn♪ ♪i've got the brains♪ ♪let's make lots of♪ ♪uh uh uh♪
every agency in the city, in this country, must be part of dealing with gun violence because we deal with the gun violence, we're going to start dealing with the feeders of violence. we've ignored that for far too long. >> it's been a journey but we finally have a winner in the mayoral primary. eric adams will be on the ballot in the general election. if he prevails he will be new york's second ever black mayor. the former police captain run on opposing the defund the police movement guiding democrats to a different path. adam's victory comes as governor andrew cuomo issued an executive order declaring gun violence a disaster emergency. as part of a new strategy to curb gun related crime. every agency in this country must be dealing with gun violence, as eric adams said, as
more than 180 people were just killed in shootings across the country in a devastating july 4th weekend of violence and loss. joining us now is cedric alexander, a member of president obama's task force and for dekalb county, georgia. lucky for us an msnbc contributor. let me start with you, cedric, and the sort of structural reformed eric adams campaigned on. he said you go in and you sort of reform and improve from within as a partner. that sounds like something that you talk about on our air. what do you think of his approach? >> well, i think one thing is important we have to have a variety of approaches if we're going to confront this crime.
yes, you have to have police and that is paramount. you also have to have a strategy, a strategy that involves a course energizing and motivating your police officers to feel supported particularly right now when they feel in many cities in a great deal of distress. in addition to that, the strategies have to include things we have been hearing about that range from creating jobs for young people during the summer which we know helps reduce crime and strategies that have been driven that we know work as well. one of the biggest challenges in new york state is this whole idea around bail reform. a lot of people are let out of jail and creating a problem and that needs to be revisited by the state and its leadership
there. >> let's give that issue a little more attention, cedric. it often gets overlooked. i will put up the new york city murders. crime is real. people's fear of crime is real. it must be addressed. it was important in the mayoral race. so far new york city is at 217 murders. obviously it's june. well outpacing 2012 until the pandemic but historically if you go back to 1984 there were 800 murders. can you talk about bail reform and the border climate, the
debates we've been having in this country and maybe what people don't like to say out lead. there were factors behind eric adams' victory that surprised a lot of new yorkers. >> it may have been and whatever commitment has been made to the city i'm sure he will do whatever he can to immediate those commitments. here is the bigger issue, yes, if we go back to the '90s we saw this certain surge and certainly the crime was much higher than it is today. so if you begin to look at just prior to covid the numbers began to spike then and then we went into covid, a lot of things came into play. covid is not a cause of the spike in crime. but it did help exacerbate the social ills that became relevant
and noticeable. but here is the thing that's important here, nicolle, is that as we see these spikes which are not unusual across the history of violent crime, what you don't want to have is have these spikes to become trends because once they become trends, now you have a real serious issue at hand and we're moving back into the numbers of old, and we don't need to go there. and, also, what's very important here is this. we can look at all the data numbers we want to and even if we say it's going down by a certain percentage if you have been a victim or are close to a victim or live in a community you constantly feel at threat, those numbers don't mean anything to you. so we have a lot of work to do. and i think new york state and the governor are moving in the right direction in imposing some new strategies there that are going be to be helpful and i am
certain eric adams, should he become mayor, which it looks like he will, is going to do a fantastic job as well as understanding policing and that community as well to help us just in that city alone. these are issues across the country. >> ben rhodes, i'd love your thoughts at a policy level and a policy choices put forth by eric adams to the new york voters. the governor, who is being proactive and that this white house is looking at mostly around gun safety. >> yeah, nicole, first of all on the politics i would just say the message is justice and safety and the choice between the two was quite powerful and reminded me of how my former boss would talk about tough issues rejecting what is sometimes a false tries. it's really important we know the attacks are coming from the
right. what state and local officials can do is put forward policy solutions to deal with the problem prehencively. we cannot let our foot off the gas. at the federal and legislative level what the executive branch can do on its own but what state legislatures and governors and mayors are trying to do around the country. we also have to make the case that funding for state and local governments so that they don't have budgets that force them to make hard choices between funding the police or funding the community and social programs that create funding is a case. essentially you can't have your slogan be against defund the police and not fund the state and local budgets necessary to do that. and then lastly looking
comprehensively, yes, you need to fight crime, the new innovative approaches to do that. again, you have to look at what are the sources of the crime and what can be done to address that. national security and public safety comprehensively requires the democrats to make a eric adams did provide a good template for a way that you can do that at the local level. >> it is a conversation i'm sure we will be returning to and we will continue to call on your wisdom and experience, cedric alexander, thank you so much for joining us. ben rhodes is sticking around. just on the heels of the largest ransomware attack on record, russian hackers are accused of breaching the republican national committee. has it crossed the president's red line? we'll talk about that on the other side of the break. don't go anywhere. side of the b. don't go anywhere.
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and two, what should this white house do about it? and what might they be doing that we don't know about, that's three? >> well, first of all, i think what the russians normally do is they cast around and try to find vulnerabilities and get information everywhere, for different purposes. sometimes in the dnc case it was the hack and release emails. in some cases it's just espionage to see what's happening in american politics. but it speaks to the active nature that they're constantly probing our politics and our economy. the biden team will be assessing what are the russians doing across the board here. what messages are we delivering privately and keeping in reserve if this continues and ransomware attacks continue, the u.s. will be looking at its own offensive cyber capabilities and operations that it could pursue against russia. i think they didn't want that escalation given that it can lead to difficult challenges, but ultimately if putin
continues his cyber provocations, that is a response that i'm sure biden warned putin about in their summit. >> is it wrong to assume that this commenced after the summit? could this be something that was in progress before the two men met? >> i mean obviously the experts will take a hard look at that. the reality is, yes, this could be something that is an ongoing russian intelligence gathering operation or what have you, part of their cyber planning essentially. again, the purpose of that summit was to say you have to start to draw some lines around this activity, which we can see that you are engaged in, that runs the spectrum from their interference in our politics in the election cycle to the ransomware attacks and in some cases the capacity to disrupt the u.s. economy. so it's possible that this part of ongoing russian work stream in this space but it's also the kind of thing that biden laid down some markers on in that meeting in geneva.
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so our obligation as members of this select committee is to look at the facts and circumstances that brought about january 6th and call it just like we see it. >> hi again, everyone. it's 5:00 in the east. january 6th was not just an attack on the capitol building or the people inside it. it was an attack on the very thing that makes this country what it is, our democracy. and it is in that context that the democrats and so far one republican, appointed to the select committee on january 6th, are ready to get to work pursuing what will be a critical and extensive investigation. they'll also have to contend with the five republicans minority leader kevin mccarthy picks to serve on that committee. politico reporting on the decision before him. quote, mccarthy has a choice when it comes to the democrat-led investigation of the capitol riot. get serious or go scorched earth. the gop leader could opt out of making appointments to the committee that republicans have
already attacked as a partisan effort to hit trump and his party ahead of next year's midterms. doing that, however, risks handing democrats control of the narrative. if recent precedent is an indicator, republicans will likely choose to participate. nbc news has confirmed that mccarthy has spoken with multiple members of his conference about serving and is expected to fill those five seats. as we wait to hear who the republican leader will choose, the justice department's investigation charging those involved in the capitol insurrection plows ahead. so far more than 535 suspects have been arrested in nearly all 50 states. that works out to be about three arrests every single day, including weekends since the day of the riot. of those, at least 165 have been charged with assault. and approximately 10 have pleaded guilty to federal charges. but there's still more to learn, more to uncover. we have to warn you, these images are graphic. they are a few of 11 videos
released by the fbi yesterday of suspects committing violent assaults against federal officers on january 6th. the bureau is asking for the public's help in identifying them. horrific attacks like those on the capitol police and its failure to adequately prepare for what was to come that day have compelled the force to re-examine its strategies. "the new york times" reports this, quote, the u.s. capitol police is planning to expand operations outside washington in an effort to better protect lawmakers, beginning with the opening of field offices in california and florida. much like the secret service, which has field offices in multiple states and countries, the capitol police need to be able to monitor and quickly investigate threats against lawmakers wherever they occur. that's according to spokesman tim barber. domestic extremists now emboldened following the insurrection as we've seen through multiple national terrorism warnings in just the last few months. it is a threat the president acknowledged in a statement last night reflecting on the attack six months ago this week.
quote, this was not dissent, it was disorder. it posed an existential crisis and a test of whether our democracy could survive, a sad reminder that there is nothing guaranteed about our democracy. but while it shocked and saddened the nation and the world, six months later we can unequivocally say democracy did prevail and that we must all continue the work to protect and preserve it. that requires people of goodwill and courage to stand up to the hate, to the lies, and the extremism that led to this vicious attack, including determining what happened so that we can remember it and not bury it hoping we forget. a democracy if we can keep it is where we start this hour with some of our most favorite reporters and friends. clint watts is back, former consultant to the fbi counterterrorism division, now a distinguished research fellow at the foreign policy research institute and msnbc national security analyst. also joining us former democratic congresswoman donna edwards. she's also a "washington post"
contributing columnist and msnbc contributor. and nbc washington investigative reporter scott macfarlane joins us. he's all over this story. i want to start with these pictures that i saw, donna edwards, on sherrod brown's twitter feed. it's the first time i've seen so many of the images. let me put up some images that sherrod brown posted today. we shouldn't forget that was president biden's message in his statement. the horror, the violence, the desecration of the capitol. at the end of the day that's what this is all about, donna. >> and of course i wasn't there, but like so many americans who watched on television, we were just horrified. and now we see more images of the aftermath. we see more images, video images about what happened and the violence of the assault. it is still really hard to
comprehend that fellow americans attacked our capitol, reached the capitol and committed such violence and wanted to do harm to lawmakers. and i understand that capitol hill police officers, d.c. police officers who responded and lawmakers are still traumatized even by seeing these images. but we have to see them. we have to process it. it is a republic if we can keep it. but it is not invincible, and so it's going to require all of us. and these images really remind us of how violent that assault was on january 6. >> clint watts, some sort of unlikely, i think is the best word, narrators of the horror, are the law enforcement officials themselves. people like officer fanone.
let me show you something he said on another network earlier today. >> will you testify? is that something that you would welcome the opportunity to have? >> oh, yeah, i'm looking forward to it. >> what would you say? >> i mean i would tell the truth. talk about my experiences that day. how brutal it was. you know, what i saw firsthand. >> are you worried that there could be another attack? >> i think as long as our political leaders continue to perpetuate lies, lies that fueled the january 6 insurrection and then lies regarding the january 6th insurrection, there's always that possibility. >> i mean, clint, what officer fanone describes happened today, the twice impeached ex-president told lies about the january 6
insurrection at some sort of press conference at his golf course. that is happening. and if that is in the view of law enforcement the cause and the effect is ongoing danger, where are we? >> yeah, nicolle, it's going to be interesting. should they have these hearings and start bringing these officers to testify, which i think will be very important to do because you're picking then a messenger that looks like and talks like law enforcement around the country. they will identify with that. once you start doing that, i do think it will change the perspective of americans around the country. think back to the big lie that the election was stolen and when we saw secretary of state down in georgia go out and take the podium and say this is enough, that was probably the most effective messenger, you know, in the country at that moment about resetting the agenda. so the president's doubling down on this, i think what you're seeing is them trying to actually fight through it. and to a degree, you can say that the gop has reframed this
argument about what happened on january 6th. so i think it's essential that truth does come out and that the people that suffered from this are heard from. they have not gotten their voice out other than this officer who's been on television a few times. the message hasn't really got out. when you look at some of the pictures that have come out today, some of the suspects there and you can see the fear in the eyes of some of those law enforcement officers as they clearly were not prepared for what they were going to see and did not expect what they encountered there that day to happen, just how dangerous it was for them and dangerous for the congressmen and women that were inside the capitol that day. i think ultimately when you look at that for the majority of americans, it is just one of the saddest days in the history of democracy to watch how essentially the temples of our country has just been desecrated and people died on that day. >> scott, much of what is known, is known from what you cover
24/7 brilliantly and that is the federal investigation into the insurrection and the insurrectionists themselves. something that i have learned from your reporting is that the investigation seems to be focusing in some of the most recent folks who are charged around attacks against journalists. we spent five years covering the ex-president's rally cry that journalists were the enemies of the people. as well as really it seems, and correct me if i'm wrong, intensifying the investigation into some of the more brutal attacks against law enforcement officials themselves with the new footage. if you could just expand on both those. >> yeah, nicolle. years of fake news and enemy of the people echoing through our politics really came to a head on january 6th. in just the past 72 hours we got a better sense of how and why. new court filings show the series of attacks. one horrific attack revealed an
hour ago. an a.p. photographer knocked down, dragged toward the mob according to prosecutors. in a different attack, they attacked a female photographer for "the new york times," took her camera, knocked her down. we see more and more allegations by the day. in some of the new videos being released, you get a more granular sense of what happened that day. in the footage released yesterday, you see one of the accused taking on those suit-wearing capitol police officers outside the senate chamber. it shows how they got access to the senate that day. you're about to see on the left side of your screen, eventually this mob not only approaches the senate entrance, you see police trying to keep those doors shut, keep those doors locked but the number and the mob overwhelmed the police and eventually they get access to that door. but that shows you where you are. these are video exhibits as they debate whether to hold these defendants in jail or to let them go free until trial. we're nowhere near trial in the
most serious cases yet. >> scott, i want to read you something that "the new york times" is reporting and ask you to share any reporting you have on this. authorities learned about mr. dwong on the morning of january 6 when he and a man they described as associate 1 encountered an undercover metropolitan police department officer. within a week court papers say the undercover police officer had introduced mr. dwong to an undercover fbi agent speaking freely. he told the agent he was part of a cloak and dagger militia-style group. he explained that his family spent two generations running from communists in china and vietnam and admitted he was at the capitol january 6 wearing all black in an effort to look like a member of antifa. this seems significant because the lies some of trump's allies
told, that antifa was there dressed as trump supporters. but the investigation around each suspect is intensive. >> we've seen a lot of patterns in the cases but this is one of a kind. he is from northern virginia. the feds charged him with lower level charges, kind of the garden variety, obstructing congress, illegal parading. but the accusations in the charging document are distinctive. they said he did a recon tour in nearby virginia to scout out how to use molotov cocktails. he was trying to pretend he was part of antifa when he was here that day. these are distinctive. you noted one thing that's particularly important. undercover officers picked up on him and spent time with him after the 6th for months. it tells us that there were undercover officers deployed on january 6th but they found him to be particularly interesting. >> donna, i want to come back
to -- and i think we can never separate what we're learning from reporters like scott, from investigative journalism, from the charging documents, from the political fantasy. i mean these are serious, serious crimes that they're being charged with. this was a really frightening event. every piece of video evidence, every new filing seems to further the idea that it could have been even worse than what you described a couple of moments ago, but the calculation for kevin mccarthy seems to be 100% political. do i pick a fire brand disrupter or someone who cares about getting to the truth. what do you make of the significance of what choice he makes? >> well, i mean, look, there are only a couple of pathways that kevin mccarthy has, especially given that republicans had rejected a truly bipartisan independent commission. and so at this stage, i think that politically for him to survive in that party, he's
going to have to choose a couple of fire brands. on the other hand, he has to make the calculation that he's going to treat this with some seriousness and so he'll try to find members to support that. but the reality is that the republican party is still not separated from what inspired and caused january 6th to happen in the first place and that is the former president, whose rhetoric continues and that they have not disavowed. and so i think it's actually going to be hard, whatever choices mccarthy makes for him to separate what happens with this commission from his alliance with the former president. this is like, you know, damned if you do, damned if you don't moment for kevin mccarthy and he dug the hole himself. >> they also have the hypocrisy sort of hanging around their necks over their handling of benghazi. that just is an inconvenient
reality for a lot of these house republicans. let me read you this from "the washington post," donna. the parallels to benghazi are again inescapable. the probing will do nothing to bring back those four americans but republicans emphasize getting to the bottom of how they died is important. why is that worthy of so much probing but not an attack on the united states capitol? there were a similar number of deaths. there were a similar number of apparent intelligence failures. there were valid fears of a repeat if we didn't figure out how things broke down and this one actually involves many more americans, hundreds that tried to overturn an election on false pretenses and said outloud they intended to harm then vice president mike pence and others. donna, your thoughts? >> well, i mean this is exactly why republicans and under mccarthy have not a single leg to stand on. you know, they began that benghazi committee determined that they were going to take
hillary clinton down in the process. they began it as a partisan exercise. i think democrats actually learned a lot from that from republicans in terms of the way that the speaker has named appointees and the way that this committee will be conducted. i mean we heard bennie thompson earlier. he is a no nonsense balls and strikes kind of guy. i think he's going to conduct the committee like that. it's not going to be a sideshow in the way the benghazi committee became just an absolute sideshow and circus for republicans. >> clint, liz cheney and adam schiff also both on the committee. adam schiff has investigated the ex-president, follows the facts where they go. he has successfully obtained testimony from government officials like maria yovanovitch and others. liz cheney has already said one witness she wants to hear from
is kevin mccarthy about what he knew, when we knew it and those conversations with donald trump. where do you think as just a pure fact-finding investigation this starts and where do you think it leads? >> i would say they should work backwards and start with the event of that day and work all the way back to incitement and motive. there is a lot that has not been uncovered yet in terms of what the planning was, what the preparation was from november and december, you know, in the months prior that led to that many people showing up with all of the equipment they have. it was interesting today one of the pictures that you showed earlier and was in the paper showed someone who actually had a winch-type rope assembly that was pulling on one of the barricades. they had equipment, they were ready to do it. i think that's where it needs to begin. okay, at the time where everything went wrong, what happened, and let's move backwards. one caution, i think, for the committee that they'll have to watch for is that they don't move out in front of investigators too much.
this is similar to the russia investigation where you had special counsel mueller on one parallel track investigating what the russians did in terms of the election, who was involved. this committee will also have to struggle with that. some of these trial dates as scott has talked about don't even happen until next year. so they'll have to pace out how that goes, starting with the actions of that day and working in reverse would be the best way to approach that. >> we'll stay on it, clint watts, scott macfarlane, thank you so much. donna is sticking around for more. when we return, pressure is building on president biden from civil rights groups who want him to do more to protect the right to vote that is under clear assault all across the country by republicans. al sharpton is one of the leaders meeting with the president tomorrow on voting rights. he'll be our next guest. plus, one of the most powerful teachers unions promises to fight to protect teachers who run afoul of those new laws in red states banning
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civil rights organizations tomorrow at the white house inspect advance of a speech the president plans to give on voting rights. the white house has teased a major speech from the president on the issue, but the speech will now seemingly wait another week after biden's meeting. with attorney general merrick garland increasing the enforcement of voting right protections, the question remains what more president biden can do and has he been doing enough to stop the trend of voting restrictions enacted by republicans all around the country. joining our conversation, the reverend al sharpton, most of msnbc's "politicsnation" and the president of the national action network and one of the leaders who will meet with the president tomorrow. donna edwards is still here. rev, first, what do you want to hear from him? and then i want to hear what advice you'll offer. >> well, we want to hear the commitment of the white house, particularly in light of the supreme court decision to intensify their efforts on the ground and with the congress.
we need to have this white house deal with the fact that the senate may have to deal with a work-around or dealing in my opinion and the opinion of others, dealing with this filibuster to be able to deal with legislation that would preserve and undergird the protection of the right to vote. senate bill 1 and the john lewis voting act. and that is what the eight of us leading national civil rights organizations are going to talk to the president about tomorrow. he has said that vice president harris would be the one heading this. he needs to unleash her, going in these states, deal with grassroots groups of all races, and really make people understand the gravity of that decision. because what they have really said in the supreme court is that we're going to bring voting back to states' rights. that we're not going to
interfere with states making any decision. that signal was sent with that arizona decision, and we could not sit by. we've been asking for a meeting once that decision dropped. marc morial and i reached out and said we need to meet now because this has escalated to where the damage can be generational. >> rev, the damage being generational is what is already in motion from republicans. i feel like mel gibson in "conspiracy theory" in saying this all the time. but republicans are so far ahead, that now the only option this white house and democrats in congress have is to come in and try to minimize the damage. they won't be able to undo all of it. i wonder if you'd like to see a more offensive posture, a public relations campaign to build support for filibuster reform, for stuff predicated on the big
lie as the republican lieutenant governor of georgia said. state legislative pushes to push back around the corners of the most egregious aspects of these laws. federal legislation that doesn't rest until it passes. it feels like republicans have moved with a speed and an urgency. and i said this in the last hour. it's all malevolent but it's been effective. democrats, you've been sounding the alarm for months now, don't seem to be moving as quickly. >> i think in terms of a media campaign, in terms of pressing on the ground, in terms of a media campaign, i think that many of us have said we are going to do that anyway. we want the white house to cooperate with preserving people's right to protect their right to vote. i think that they should be involved in a campaign. but regardless of what they do, many of us are going to do that anyway. we're talking about the fact that we're back to states'
rights. pre-edmund pettis bridge days. you can tell arizona, well, as long as people can still vote even if it's a little difficult, it's all right. we can't live under that. so many of us in these civil rights organizations, certainly national action network and others, are saying if we've got to put up resources to do ads in states, if we've got to do commercials, whatever we need to do, we're going to mobilize. we've already bringing thousands to washington on august 28th. we have no choice but to fight. we want to see how aggressive this president is going to be with us. we know he has said the right things, but now the speechifying as i would say is over. oratory must turn into real action and boots on the ground because they are far ahead and
they have proved that they have got the supreme court. we've got to be able to take the legislature and we've got to have the executive branch accelerate the pace in which they're going to fight this because we are going to see hundreds of thousands of people undermined from voting this year if we don't aggressively take this now. this is no longer theory. >> donna, what would you like to see and hear from this white house, and where are you sort of on the optimism scale that enough can be done to eradicate the damage from these laws? >> well, i mean, if i had hair, it would be on fire because i think that this president has to move very aggressively. obviously in the public sphere. but really challenging congress to just get this done. democrats control the white house, the house and the senate. and they have to get this done. it's a political threat and it's a moral threat.
i want to see that kind of energy, the same energy that's put to infrastructure, which i think is great and to covid, i want to see that put to voting rights, because there is a lot at stake here. democrats just have to be and the president just more aggressive about getting this done. >> we will stay on it. donna edwards, the reverend al sharpton, thank you so much for spending some time with us today. when we return, the president of the most powerful teachers union in the country promising to protect teachers who get in trouble because of those new republican laws banning the teaching of critical race theory. that story is next. story is net ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google, turn up the heat. ♪ ♪ ♪
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it is the new face of the critical race theory battle in this country. one of the nation's largest teachers unions promising to protect its members who are punished for teaching what they call an honest history of the united states of america. the american federation of teachers plans to combat the plethora of states attempting to limit classroom discussion on race and discrimination. at least six states have already passed new legislation restricting what can be taught in public school classrooms and more than 20 have laws in the works. union president randi weingarten addressed members yesterday saying the union has legal defenses ready to go telling teachers, quote, mark my words. our union will defend any member who gets in trouble for teaching honest history, and adding that teaching the truth is not
radical or wrong. distorting history and threatening educators for teaching the truth is what is truly radical and wrong. joining us now is randi weingarten, president of the american federation of teachers. so from battling covid and keeping kids and teachers safe to now battling what feels like right-wing disinformation. first, give me the facts. how do these laws -- i mean are they pulling textbooks out of the classroom? are they reaching into schools' curriculum? tell me what's actually happening for teachers on the front lines. >> so, first off, nicolle, for having us. we're in the middle of our teach convention so we're doing lots of different seminars right now for professional development for teachers this whole week. but what's happening is that the states are making new law that
contradict the standards that our professional obligations tell us we have to teach and we should be teaching. so i'll give you an example. texas' new law basically says, and i'm not quoting it, but it basically says that teachers are supposed to say that slavery is a betrayal of the founding principles of our country. now, you know that that's not true. i mean there's lot of great founding principles of our country, but slavery was embedded in the constitution. so the question then becomes, what does that mean, we can't teach the civil war? we can't teach the 13th, 14th, 15th amendment? we can't teach juneteenth, the dread scott decision, the emancipation proclamation? so what we've said to our members, let's make sure that
you can do what your professional obligations require which is to teach an honest and accurate version of the history of the united states. and, yes, some of it is uncomfortable. enslavement and discrimination are uncomfortable. but it works to help kids become critical thinkers when they understand the facts, when they can look at diverse perspectives and draw their own conclusions. i think we become stronger if we can do that, and that's what i went through with my members yesterday and said that we will defend that, just like in the scopes trial of old when we defended against -- you know, when people tried to stop the teaching of evolution. and that's what we're going to do. it's very important to be able to teach accurate history. sorry. i am a social studies teacher. >> no, no, no, no. i just want to tell our viewers,
you've added $2.5 million to the existing legal defense fund. but you don't seem surprised that the culture war has moved into this space. >> no. >> and you've already talked about the history of it. covering politics, having been in politics, i'm horrified by the images of sort of violence and extreme rhetoric at school board meetings. but why aren't you surprised that this is where the culture wars have landed? >> so i'm not surprised for a couple reasons, although i am horrified. look, i don't care when the right wing goes after me. we're big girls. this is part of the territory. i am really concerned when i see the bullying of teachers in classrooms, and that's part of what i am offended by. go after me. don't go after classroom teachers who have spent their life this year trying to help kids. and so -- but the reason i'm not surprised is that, you know, you
go back to king. it's chaos versus community. what trump did and what the right wing has learned from trump is it's constantly chaos and fear and creating that kind of uncertainty. and so now that it's clear that we're going to be able to reopen schools safely in the fall and help kids recover, they have to find something else to create chaos and fear with. and we do not teach -- probably the most important thing i can say to your viewers is that in high schools, elementary schools and middle schools, we do not teach crt. crt is a theory in law school or in college that analyzes law and says is there systemic racism that was attached to these laws or the effects of systemic racism. what we teach in high school or elementary school or middle school is we teach history, common history. and want kids to be able to
understand it and to analyze history. >> well, i was going to read your tweet, because it is the most important factor to inject into the debate. you tweeted this. critical race theory is not taught in k through 12 schools. any discussion of race, racism or discrimination is labeled as that to try to make it toxic. we've talked about teachers getting bullied and chaos. what about the kids? i think it's a very scary prospect. we look to the next generation to sort of evolve in a way that gets us out of the current morass. the most frightening thing to me about the culture war moving into the space is the damage it could do to our kids. >> it's going to do huge damage to our kids because there's going to be places where teachers are going to have the stamina, the courage, to actually teach the civil war or to teach january 6th. there's going to be a whole bunch of places where they're
not. and then kids will have a huge hole in their history and people are going to be afraid to actually really push kids to think. kids, to be able to survive in this world and able to thrive in this world, you need to be able to think. you need to be able to hold different things in your heart and in your head at the same time. and if we don't help kids develop those muscles of being able to think and being able to see diversity as a strength, not a weakness, it is going to hurt kids. and frankly, this is what i loved about what i've seen this week. axios just had a poll of college students, including republican college students who understand overwhelmingly that it's important to confront our history and to understand it. we will be stronger if we do that. >> tell me about getting every kid back into the classroom and
how we help kids that struggled during the pandemic. >> so most of my speech was about that yesterday, as was my speech in may. and so i think -- so what we are doing as the aft is we're putting $5 million out as grants to our membership. 2.5 has already been spoken for and 1,400 locals all across the country are already planning their kind of back-to-school for all campaigns. we're knocking on doors, we're finding kids that weren't in school last year, like in martinsville, indiana. our members are working with the school district to find 800 kids that didn't sign on to remote education. and we're really talking to parents about how to make it -- how their kids are going to be safe, how their kids are going to be welcomed. the rescue fund plans -- funds have been really important here,
but i've never seen this level of engagement and commitment from my members across the country really wanting to create a normal school year for our kids and create a year of recovery and fun. and what we've done as well is we're going to double down on the teaching of literacy. we're going to increase -- we're having a bunch of fellows that we've selected to help do new civics lessons. so we really wanted to be a year of project-based instruction, having more wrap-around services, focusing on literacy, focusing on real recovery so that our kids get their mojo back. >> we'll stay on that. nothing more important. randi weingarten, thank you for spending some time with us today. when we return, with the right wing cracking down on what teachers are saying in the classroom, the leader of said right wing is now suing to protect his rights of free speech in a case legal experts say is doomed to fail. that is next. l. that is next
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he is suing. he is suing twitter and facebook and google and their respective ceos. it's a legal tantrum one month after facebook upheld its temporary ban against him and twitter, once his favorite platform, permanently banned him from their site after company leaders found his posts increased the risk of real-world danger and violence. trump now argues that the suspension of his social media accounts by private businesses is an infringement of his first amendment rights. we'll see. meanwhile, we have an update to the developing story we told you about in the investigation involving republican congressman matt gaetz. a federal judge has granted a request by gaetz' one-time wingman, joel greenberg, to have his august sentencing delayed until november 18th. in the request, greenberg's attorney cited greenberg's cooperation with federal prosecutors and the expectation that he'll participate in additional sessions with them, which could spell very bad news for one matt gaetz, who is being
probed by federal investigators for charges he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl which broke sex trafficking laws. they are allegations he denies. joining us now nbc news investigations correspondent tom winter. so we talked yesterday about what prosecutors and investigators could need more time with joel greenberg for. you said it suggested that greenberg's lawyers had the sense that this was going well. that a judge granted it, does that confirm that theory? >> i think the fact that prosecutors in fact agreed with greenberg's own attorneys' assertions that this should be postponed, i mean i think if prosecutors had stepped in and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, we'll continue with the sentencing in august instead of november, i think that would have signalled they were going to put the pressure on him to either start talking a little bit more quickly or a little bit more truthfully. the fact that prosecutors did not oppose this at all and the judge essentially was left to approve something that both
sides agreed on i think does actually firm up the points we were talking about yesterday, that this does appear at the moment at least to be a cooperation that is going well for joel greenberg in his effort both to reduce his sentence as our colleague pete williams, we were chatting earlier today. pete was looking into this idea of getting in this idea of minimum sentences. some of things greenberg pleaded guilty to here are quite serious. if he provides significant assistance in the government of their investigation, it is possible that those minimums could go away. it would behooves greenberg to step up here and assist federal prosecutors. i think this all signals that it is definitely headed towards that direction. >> and the allegations for which matt gaetz is under investigation carries mandatory minimum sentences. >> correct. >> it is an unbelievable turn, not good news format gaetz. tom winter, thank you for
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>> thank you so much, welcome to "the beat," we have new details emerging from the january 6th insurrection, the latest and joe biden's mocked mitch mcconnell for opposing help for his own constituents. but first, donald trump announcing a class action lawsuit against facebook, google or twitter or the color blue, essentially quoing "he's wrongly censored." does trump really want discovery? it all starts with the strange scene today, trump speaks from a podium he created from etsy to look candidly like the presidential