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billionaire is about to do. >> we should approach climate change with great skepticism. climate change has been going on as long as the planet is here. and the absolute outrage of team usa's decision to stop sha'carri richardson from running in the olympics because of marijuana use when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. just over six months ago on january 5th, 2021, remember that was the day of the georgia runoff, one day before the 6th. an untold number of people across this country received this telephone call. >> i'm calling from the rule of law defense fund with an important message. the march to save america is tomorrow in washington, d.c. at the ellipse in president's park between e street and constitution avenue on the south side of the white house, with doors opening at 7:00 a.m. at 1:00 p.m., we will march to the capitol building and call on congress to stop the steal.
we are hoping patriots like you will join us to continue to fight to protect the integrity of our elections. for more information, visit marchtosaveamerica.com. this call is paid for and authorized by the rule of law defense fund. >> march to the capitol building to stop the steal. that's a fund-raising arm for guess who? the republican attorneys general association. so that call urging people to show up at the capitol on january 6th and march to it to stop the steal came from the body that represents top republican law enforcement officers across the country. now, we already know that republican attorneys general played a huge role in the attempt to overturn the election. they were one of the key mores on that, right? in december, 17 of them banded together signing on to a lawsuit filed by republican attorney general general in texas asking the supreme court to delay the certification of electors in four battleground states where
donald trump lost, basically saying we don't like the way those states ran their election. the supreme court refused to hear the case. it was entirely legally specious. we know from that call the republican attorneys general were part of the vast coalition of forces actively whipping up the frenzy towards violence on january 6th. something they still have not had to apologize or account for. it's like it never happened, that phone call, like it never happened. that's a major theme as we sit here six months since the attempted insurrection. while at least 500 people who allegedly participated in the capitol riot have been arrested, more or less everyone who put them in that position, who called for them to be there, who organized for them to be there, who paid for them to be there and brought us towards that moment, all of those people more or less escaped accountability. now, the hope is that some accountability and some more transparency about what happened will be introduced through the new house select committee investigating the january 6th attack. the chair of that committee will be joining me in just a moment.
another member of the committee, democratic congressman adam schiff of california, told my colleague nicolle wallace that there are concentric circles of culpability they will be investigating, including potentially members of congress. >> what was the organization of that event like, and how much forewarning was there of violence among those who were organizing it? how much foreknowledge was there in the white house that this might turn violent? what happened on the day of the insurrection? why did it take so long to get reinforcements to the capitol? was there anyone standing in the way of sending those reinforcements? so these are just some of the questions, and i think we're all determined, those of us that have been appointed so far, to follow the evidence wherever it leads. if it leads to some of our colleagues, it leads to some of our colleagues, but we can't blind ourselves to the reality. >> as it happens, one of adam schiff's colleagues is marking today's anniversary by echoing a recent refrain from the former president, asking the question, who killed ashli babbitt?
a press release? republican congressman paul gosar of arizona, a member of congress who should be far more famous than he is. he writes, it is unjust to sweep ashli's death under the rug. her life mattered. we do not allow the execution of citizens by street justice in our country. babbitt is the 35-year-old woman who attempted to charge into the speaker's lobby where members of congress were present at that moment on january 6th with a violent mob breaking down windows, braying for blood at her back. when rioters broke the windows of these doors right there leading to the lobby, which is right outside the house chamber, ashli babbitt and her alone vaulted through, the first one to go through, though there was a gun drawn and a warning, and she was shot and killed by a capitol officer that you see there on the other side. her death is obviously a horrible tragedy. it never should have happened. she never should have been there.
she never should have been in that position. the key question is not who killed her but who is truly culpable for her death and the deaths of three other trump supporters that day and the death of capitol police officer brian sicknick who died the next day. many people, of course, share responsibility. donald trump of course. but also several members of congress, members of congress who still serve, who still go to work in that building. there is, of course, mo brooks of alabama, who went out and rallied the crowd, that crowd that was called there by the republican attorneys general just ahead of the riot. and there's lauren boebert of colorado, who was new to congress, just a few days into her job, who tweeted on the morning of the 6th, today is 1776. but again i want to focus on congressman paul gosar. part of the reason that things got so hairy inside the capitol with the mob, including ashli babbitt, getting so close to the people in the presidential line of succession, is because the house took longer that day to adjourn the senate. i only really understood this after i watched that "new york times" documentary.
rioters first broke into the capitol building at around 2:10 p.m., and the senate crucially adjourned just minutes later, 2:13. so three minutes go by, and the message is sent. you might remember that moment when it happened. senator james lankford of oklahoma interrupted mid-sentence. an aide comes and whispers in his ear, and everyone starts moving very quickly. you see that? everyone gets out. the house at the same time continued in session for several more key minutes, and part of the reason was because paul gosar was still airing his grievances of the big lie on the house floor, objecting to the seating of electors in his own state. >> in arizona, as my attachments make clear, mail-in ballots were altered on the first day of counting as shown in data graphs we provide. and it's concluded by data analysts. over 400,000 mail-in ballots were altered, switched from president trump to vice president biden or completely
erased from president trump's totals. >> there, those are lies. you know that. there was not 400,000 votes flipped. as the mob is encroaching and coming closer, spewing lies about the election. and his spewing of those lies in those moments you saw there delayed everything. and so by the time the house finally goes into recess, six minutes after the senate, 2:19, well, it's basically too late because the rioters, the violent mob, are forcing their way further into the building. and that's why unlike the senate, the members are in the chamber. they put on gas masks. they take off their identifying pins so that they can't be rounded up and taken to god knows where to do god knows what. they seek shelter in the house chamber with the mob literally trying to bang down the doors outside. the night before her death, ashli babbitt posted a tweet. quote, nothing will stop us. they can try and try and try but
the storm is here. it is descending upon d.c. in less than 24 hours. dark to light. if ashli babbitt had been allowed to go through that window that she was vaulting through to the speaker's lobby and the house chamber, she would have been followed by the mob. think about what might have happened. paul gosar claims to be concerned about ashli babbitt's death. yet he shares more than a little bit of the moral responsibility for all the events of that day. the situation that led to her death was brought about at least in part by the delay he caused with his recitation of the big lie that the election was stolen on the floor of the united states house of representatives. on that day when congress had the solemn duty to simply ratify the people's choice for president and declare joe biden, who is the rightful president, the rightful president. so, yes, the question of who does have blood on their hands from that day is actually a pressing one. part of the reason we need the select committee to investigate. congressman bennie thompson,
democrat of mississippi, is the chair of the select committee to investigate january 6th, and he joins me now. congressman, i feel that there's actually still a lot we don't know about the deaths of the individuals who died that day. there's been sporadic reports. we have some reporting on ashli babbitt and her death. other individuals, one woman who has declared a methamphetamine overdose, obviously brian sicknick. will that be one of the focal points of the committee? >> well, we'll look at everything, chris. thank you for having me by the way. one of the things we're tasked with is looking at all the circumstances and the facts surrounding january 6th. everything is on the table. we'll look at it. we've not been given any real guide posts beyond that. i think it's important to see who was complicit and what went on, on january 6th.
whether there were outside forces, inside forces, we will look at all of them. we will look at the information that's already been collected by the various committees. but also we'll look at other information that we've not had access to, telephonic information, other things. so what we have to do is hire the best professional staff that's available. we will do our work. we will not rush the task of the work. we'll interview any and everyone that the facts lead to. the first one we want to talk to are the members of the capitol police, chris. we've talked to the brass of the capitol police, but we've not talked to the rank and file people who fought those insurrectionists that day. and in my opinion, saved the lives of a lot of americans in the process.
we need to hear from them. so we'll start the process. we won't rush it. and we will look at every situation possible to get to the facts. just what you talked about a few minutes ago. some of this -- this news comes out every day. so clearly it's in our best interests with this select committee to get to the -- [ inaudible ] >> i think we might be losing -- >> -- be driven by the facts and circumstances that we -- [ inaudible ] >> i think we got you back, congressman. you flickered out for a moment on the internet connection. i'm going to proceed as if we do have you back. i wanted to display a tweet from one of your leagues, as adam schiff said the question of culpability of your colleagues is one of the questions at issue here.
i'm just talking about paul gosar, who was speaking on the floor, you know, reciting these lies in those crucial six minutes. i don't think there's any evidence he knew that, of course. it's sort of a grand irony. but that morning i think he tweeted this. biden should concede. i want his concession on my desk tomorrow morning. don't make me come over there. then he hashtagged, stop the steal, and he hashtagged one of the organizers of the entire event. i feel like there hasn't been sort of a sufficient inquiry as to what his role was just in organizing the entire thing. >>. [ inaudible ] >> you know what? i think the congressman's internet is out. so let's take a break. we'll see if we can get him back. stick right here. congressman bennie thompson on the flip. if not, lots more on the show. don't go anywhere.
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all right. back with me on the phone is congressman bennie thompson, chair of the select committee to investigate january 6th. congressman, let me read the tweet again because you may have not not have heard me. it's your colleague paul gosar saying on january 6th, biden should concede. i want his concession on my desk tomorrow morning. don't make me come over there, with a shot of the crowd. that crowd would eventually
storm the capitol, at least in the aggregate. hashtag stop the steal 2021, and tagging one of the organizers. i feel like for wherever the chips fall, do you feel like you actually understand the role that members of congress may have played in organizing this entire event? >> chris, i know that there have been a number of comments made like what congressman gosar tweeted. our investigation will look at any and all of the facts. and if there are members of congress who were complicit in what went on on january 6th, our investigation will bring it out. that's why we will have the best investigators possible to look at it, to see whether or not the white house was involved or any other institutional government involved because this should not have taken place. in a democracy, you can't settle your differences by an
insurrection. democracies are settled at the ballot box, not by an insurrectionist mob like we had on the 6th. so our obligation as members of this select committee is to look at the facts and circumstances that brought about january 6th and call it just like we see it. >> i also wonder about the role the department of justice. of course there are criminal cases being pursued. there's over 500 arrests. there's some speculation that number ultimately might be up to 800. that's an estimate of how many people actually passed through that building. and those prosecutions are all being pursued out of one prosecutor's office in the district of columbia underneath the department of justice. and i wonder how much -- what you expect as the level of cooperation from the doj, from the attorney general in sharing information with your committee. >> well, to the extent that we won't interfere with the prosecution of those individuals, we expect to have
conversations in a classified setting or whatever to get access to certain information. but, again, we're not trying to interfere. but there's certain information that i and the committee will deem necessary to conduct our business. we need to know, for instance, who did the fbi talk to? did they talk to dod? did they talk to metropolitan police? who, in fact, was part of the communications circle on or before january 6th? we think there were some breakdowns in that system. so we'll have to look at the whole thing, not just who committed something, but there are some intelligence failures that occurred on january 6th. we need to make sure that we fix those intelligence failures so they never happen again. why does the dod operate separately from other
institutions of government as it relates to january 6th? we have to fix all that. why does the mayor of the district of columbia, of which the united states capitol, is in an impotent position to protect the citizens of that area? so there's a lot of things we have to go to. we hope and expect cooperation from every branch of government as we pursue getting to this report. >> all right. congressman bennie thompson, who will be sharing that select committee, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. we know donald trump tried to pressure elected officials in georgia to overturn the election. we all heard the audio of him telling the republican secretary of state to find just enough votes -- this is a quote. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. he really did say that, that specifically. the pressure campaign was not
just in georgia. a new report by "the arizona republic" shows that trump tried to speak directly to the chair of the maricopa county board of supervisors in the weeks after the election. and, again, there are tapes. this is state republican chair kelli ward, nicknamed kim
trail kelley by mitch mcconnell, calling supervisor clint hickman on behalf of trump. >> hey, clint. it's kelli ward. i just talked to president trump, and he would like me to talk to you and also see if he needs to give you a call to discuss what's happening on the ground in maricopa. give me a call back when you can. thanks. bye. >> rudy giuliani also left a voicemail for hickman. then on the night of january 3rd, the day trump's call with georgia's secretary of state was published, the man in charge of the maricopa county election got this voice mail. >> hello, sir. this is the white house operator. i was calling to let you know that the president's available to take your call if you're
free. if you could please give us a call back, sir, that would be great. you have a good evening. >> trump has never stopped that pressure campaign. it was a multi-pronged effort that included pressuring elected officials, storming the capitol,
and now passing restrictive state laws to try again next time. the idea that republicans can overturn an election is a real threat. quote, given what we saw trump actually do in 2020, these things are now within the realm of possibility and need to be legislated against and organized against so we have a fair election process going forward. the founder and editor of the indispensable election blog joins me now. i read your quotes in that piece by my colleague, and i think we all agree there are tiers of concern about democratic access in the country from, you know, voter suppression and whether people get to the ballot and the
sort of ultimate, most terrifying crisis is the crisis you talk about. an overturned election. how have you come to think about that, and what do these new revelations from "the arizona republic" contribute to how you think about it? >> great to be with you. happy anniversary, i guess we would say. this is just a crazy moment in american history that we've gone through a storming of the capitol. we've gone through an attempt to try to overturn the results of the election led by the president, and yet we have one political party that's not only in denial, but it's also in a position where in order to show fidelity to the party's leader, donald trump, you have to mimic the lie that the election was stolen, and you have to push legislation and other rules that are going to make it easier to mess with vote counting next time. so i'm really concerned. this is -- and it's really hard to explain. this is different from the usual concerns about gerrymandering, which, you know, we talk about all the time, drawing district
lines in ways that help one party or another. this is worse than voter suppression, where states pass laws that you can't give voters water while they're waiting on line to vote. this is really about something so basic to a democracy, that the vote is going to be fairly counted. and, you know, you put together what happened in arizona with what happened in georgia with also -- you didn't mention it now but i know you've covered it before -- the pressure on legislative leaders in michigan and wisconsin to call their legislatures into session and to try to overturn the will of the people there. it was an attempt to overturn the results of the election, and the concern as one of my colleagues put it in that same article by benjy, is what if it was a rehearsal for 2024? so i can't overstate how concerned i am about our democracy at this moment. >> there's a lot of implications of this. i mean one, i guess, is the problem to me is that when you
think about legislative fixes, right, the political problem is prior to the legislative fix, which is to say, if one-half of the two parties has a leader who's committed to attempting this again, it's going to be hard to build consensus for technical fixes that would make it harder for this to happen. you see what i'm saying? >> right. so i think the key here is there are a number of senate republicans, some of whom are going to be gone because they're retiring after the next election, who care about things like can we have paper ballots required in every federal election? are we going to fix the electoral count act, the rules for how congress counts the votes so you don't have these frivolous objections and the ability to throw the whole election into chaos based on nothing but lies? you know, are you going to have rules about chain of custody,
about how states have to handle ballots? i think that there's a moment here. put aside h.r. 1. put aside all the concerns about voter suppression. these are so important, but i think that you could potentially get to 60 votes on the question of -- in the senate, which you would need to get any legislation through, on the narrow question of election subversion. can we make sure that the winner of the election is actually declared the winner? if we can't have consensus about that, what kind of democracy do we have right now? >> you just mentioned something i feel like is one of the most important takeaways. the reason we are talking about january 6th is because that's a specific day in the very byzantine process by which electors are counted. and part of that's in the constitution, and then part of that is in the electoral count act, which if i'm not mistaken, was passed and signed into law after the contested election of 1876, which was a debacle in many ways.
it led to the end of reconstruction, et cetera, et cetera. that act, i mean is it right that we're still riding around american presidential democracy in the post-1876 electoral count act, which has been demonstrated in the past year to be a ticking time bomb? >> there are provisions of that act that i have read multiple times and i have no idea what they mean. and, you know, i've been studying this stuff for a while. just imagine what that's like in the hands of politicians who want to throw an election or in the hands of judges who want to read it in a particular way. this is not a 21st century act. again, we can bracket concerns about the electoral college and we can argue about whether the electoral college is fair or not. but if we're going to have an electoral college, we need to have rules that assure that the candidate who wins in the states get those electoral college votes counted for that candidate. it's kind of the most basic point of democracy, and yet here we are worried that that might
not happen the next time around. >> rick hasen, who has been a really important voice on this, we're going to stay on this. i want to come back to the electoral count act at greater length at some point. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. ahead, six months after january 6th, why do the majority of republican voters, the people out there in the country, still believe the election was stolen, still? why trump's big lie is here to stay, next. plus 8 b-vitamins for brain support. one a day and done.
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the problem america faces right now is summed up in two numbers. the first number is 32%. that is the percentage of americans who wrongly believe that joe biden is only in office because of widespread voter fraud and that donald trump really won the 2020 election. now, you look at that number. that's a significant minority, but it is a minority nonetheless. in a democracy, a 32% faction is not going to win a ton of
elections generally. but that brings us to the second number, which is 63%. fully 63% of republicans and those that are republican-leaning believe the election was stolen, and that coalition controls half or more than half of the government. that's a fundamental issue here, right? underneath trump and the right wing media, there is a faction of americans who are wedded to an anti-democratic delusion and whose numbers can be leveraged into control the entire mek nizism of the state if things break the right way. this piece in "the daily beast" today caught my eye, examining why six months after the insurrection we still won't admit why so many people believe the big lie. the author joins us tonight with along with an associate research professor at johns hopkins university. david, first lay out what your case is for why we won't talk about the root cause or what the root cause is here of the persistence of this belief.
>> well, the reality is that we are taught to not critically challenge core ideas from childhood. don't question your parents. don't question your teachers. don't question your school. you know, take things on faith, whether it's a religious belief or a belief about the country or, you know, other elements of ideology. and if you don't have critical thinking built into people early, then they become gullible. americans are fed lies in the cradle onward. hollywood sells lies. madison avenue sells lies. politicians lie. and we are sold big lies about the nature of the universe. we're sold big lies about the way society ought to work. and so the result is by the time
people get to election age, you know, accepting lies is kind of baked in the cake. and as pointed out in liliana's book -- and i know you'll get to it -- you know, these lies become interwoven with people's identity. and once, you know, it becomes part of your identity, you can't admit you're wrong because you're denying who you actually are. >> so on that last point, this is something that i struggle with, and i'm not sure, liliana, that we have good measuring tools for this. but i sometimes wonder when you see, you know, a polling that says 32% believe that trump won, do they actually believe that, or is that a way that they express some kind of part of their identity? and are those even distinguishable? is there a way you could sort of test it through monetization and say, you know, bet $10,000 on
the disprovability of the thesis, would you come up with the same number? is there any way to tease those things apart? >> that is a big problem with asking these kind of survey questions is there is something called expressive responding, where people just say the thing that they think makes their team look the best. so some people are doing that, and there have been, you know, studies that have tried to make people more worried about being correct than getting their team to win. but it's a little difficult to tell with these kind of numbers. on the other hand, there are definitely some people who are being sincere when they say this. it's not, you know, 32 percent of americans are all just lying because they think it makes the republican party look great. there's certainly real believers in there. i think those are the people we need to really think about and worry about when we're talking about this sort of like just existential lie type of issue. >> yeah. so how does your research help
us think about the persistence of that belief? >> right. so people will accept information based on a variety of motivations, and one of them is identity protection. so they're protecting their own group's status. they're protecting their own group's either sense of victory or loss. but, you know, as david was saying, there's all these other identities that are now looped together with partisanship, including really potent ones like race and religion. that means that when there is a loss, an electoral loss, that implicates all these other crucial central identities that people hold, like their racial identity, and it makes them not just feel like a loser in terms of their party but also a loser in terms of their entire religious group and that makes those losses much more dire and threatening. and therefore people will look harder for information that
makes it seem like they are still the winners even though the world is saying they're not. >> well, and that's -- i mean that's the irony here, right? david, what you just said, right, when you talked about the lies that are sold could have been verbatim something i've read on a qanon thread or has been said to me by someone who believes the election was stolen. what they are saying is, like, the establishment, the mainstream media, like all these voices are lying to you, and you sheep are taking it. but in the end, even though we all have the same cognitive biases across the political spectrum, so much of this comes down to what the structures of trust are. the problem is that if you're trusting donald trump and paul gosar, you're just trusting the wrong people. that feels like the fundamental bedrock we hit. >> it is the fundamental bedrock we hit. and what's changed because people have believed nonsense since the dawn of time, right? people have believed demagogues since the dawn of time.
but what has changed is we now live in a world of what i call echo systems, not ecosystems, but, you know, where people hear the same thing over and over and over, and they go from fox to qanon to oan to facebook, and everybody they know is passing along articles that believe the same thing. and so it becomes possible to live in a world that is a little bit like a middle-aged -- a village in the middle ages where you never encounter anybody with a different idea. you never encounter anybody who says, challenge this idea. and once you're there, you know, that's how the dark ages happened, right? that's where we are. there are communities in this world that believe utter nonsense. you know, you talk about a third of americans believing that trump won this election even though there's not a scintilla of evidence of that, about half that number, 17%, believe in
vampires. >> yeah. well, i don't know if vampires are a costlier belief or not. i think i would switch those numbers if i had the ability to. thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> pleasure. >> thank you. coming up, no one has benefited more from spreading election conspiracy theories than fox news, and now they're looking to get into the weather business. that's right. fox weather is here, and that's next. try one a day 50+ multivitamin gummies.
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if you were to say to me, chris, who's the absolute last person in the world who anyone should trust to run a weather channel, i would be hard pressed to think someone worse than rupert murdoch, the owner of fox news. but that is exactly what murdoch plans to do with the fox weather channel, a 24 hour streaming channel later this year. urn doubtedly murdoch will try to do for the earth's climate what he's done for democracy.
it's not like it would be something new for them. >> if you want to make electric cars the choice for americans, you don't try to hit them with guilt and virtue signaling and trying it to a climate crisis that does not exist. >> this unholy alliance is between the unions, which are their traditional base, and the radical environmentalists who are demanding we change every aspect of our lives and undercut our economy so we can fight the weather. >> acting like the world is going to blow up in 12 years because cows are farting somewhere is the dumbest things i've ever heard. >> you know what greenhouse gas emissions are? you every drive by the road and see a greenhouse and flowers are growing and tomatoes are growing? it's called the atmosphere. carbon dioxide is not pollution. >> rupert murdoch and his media conglomerate has been crucially important to climate denial across the entire english-speaking world on three continents. after australia was devastated
by wildfires that burned 46 million acres in 2019 and 2020, that country's former prime minister called murdoch out for his part in the disaster. >> the reality is news corp and murdoch have done enormous damage to western democracy and in particular to the united states and australia and in particular on the subject of global warming. the campaign on climate denial is just staggering, and it's done enormous damage to the world, you know, to the global need to address global warming. >> in fact, murdoch's news corp, which is among the largest media companies in australia, was found to be part of another wave of misinformation. an independent study there found online bots and trolls exaggerating the role of arson in the fires at the same time that an article in his newspaper, the australian, making similar assertions became the most popular offering on the newspaper's website. it's really not a stretch to say
rupert murdoch's media empire right up there with the world's fossil fuel companies stopped us from taking action on climate change sooner, continues to block us, and we're now dealing with the fallout. the month of june had record setting heat. it was the hottest on record in boston. salt lake city, utah, had its hottest day ever. palm springs, california, tied its record. that does not include the crazy temperatures we saw in the pacific northwest that reached well over 100 degrees and the hottest day ever in the history of canada in a town that was burned to a crisp literally to the ground just a day after or so it set the record. but it was not just north america, no, no, no. meteorologist scott duncan shared this heat map of scandinavia showing a norwegian town far above the arctic circle measuring over 34 degrees celsius or more than 93 degrees fahrenheit, the highest temperature ever recorded at that latitude. so one can only imagine how weather channel practicing climate change denial would approach these stories.
how would they explain the insane heat in portland and seattle? what shades of blue would they use to describe the temperature in scandinavia right now? would they attempt to create a new reality where the world is not really getting hotter? there is something comforting about that specific delusion, a world that's not getting hotter. but that's not the world we live in. the world we live in is getting hotter. the world we live in is being ravaged by that heat. that heat will cause incalculable human misery, and that misery is thanks in large part to rupert murdoch and his life's work. murdoch is 90 now, so he will not be here to see all of what he put into motion. but i truly hope that none of us ever forget what he has done. sensodyne sensitivity and gum gives us a dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend.
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relay. she lit the track on fire in the trial. she then tested positive for the use of marijuana. she was apologetic and suspended but the u.s. track & field association. but there's a possibility for competing in the relay because that event competition is outside the win doer of the suspension and said today u.s. track & field saying while they fully agree with the merit of the world anti-doping agency rules should be re-evaluated it would be detrimental to the team trials if usatf amended the rules. all athletes are aware of and must adhere to the current code and the credibility as the national governing body would be lost if only rules were enforced under certain circumstances. joining me now ayton thomas author of "we matter."
etan, i have been following this story and the mass opinion is this is insane. marijuana is either legalized or decriminalized in tons of states. you can use it recreationally but today i found myself feeling this like visceral rage at the decision. how are you feeling? >> i feel disappointed. you said that you hear a lot of people saying it is ridiculous. people say the opposite. she broke the rules. the rules are the rules. a lot of the same people are the same people who had so much trouble following the health guidelines in a national pandemic to just wear a mask. it is interesting that that happens. but there's a lack of compassion that is happening right now. to understand what she was
dealing with, people say take the personal situation out of it. she just lost her mother. you can tell even during race fell into her grandmother's arms. this type of situation should make you re-evaluate if the rule should be a rule in the first place. what she did before her trials and her race in no way, shape or fashion help her win, run the 10.6 you know, time that she ran why it was not a performance enhancer. didn't assist her in any way but the situation that was like this hopefully the olympic committee will look and start to re-evaluate to see if it should be a rule in the first place. >> yeah. it's a good point. this line stuck out to me in the track & field saying the current anti-doping code.
okay. right. invoking that term, i understand that there's more banned substances than substances that are performance enhancing but she wasn't cheating. she was using a recreational drug that's no more dangerous, on the whole, than alcohol. probably less dangerous she says to cope with the awful grief of her mother's loss. completely different category. it rubbed me the wrong way to read that word in that context. >> definitely. it doesn't apply to this situation. when you look at the different things she could have done in this situation and speaks to a bigger topic of being able to view athletes as humans and the fact is a lot of times nobody cares. nobody cares what you are going through. nobody cares what you are dealing with. if you're naomi osaka and having the depression and anxiety.
nobody care just talk to the media. that's your job and what you have to do and hopefully people can see that athletes are human. athletes deal with tragedy. still have to perform in an optimal level. so that's one of the things that when i was seeing the comments on social media, a lot of the comments they honestly surprised me why the talking heads and the sporting world, covering the subject surprised me because they talked about athletes as if they were robots. not supposed to have a feeling and the feelings don't matter. hopefully people can see there's something wrong with that mentality. >> i want to quickly play richardson was on the "today" show talking about this. take a listen. >> as much as i'm disappointed i represent myself and a community that has shown me great support, great love and to you all i
apologize for the fact that i need to know how to control my emotions or deal with my emotions. i just say don't judge me because i am human. i mean, i'm you. i happen to run a little faster. >> i like that line. i am human. it also strikes me here that more broadly in whether it's u.s. track & field or the ioc as the status of marijuana changes in a social and legal sense all these leagues and the athletic bodys have to update the rules. >> oh yeah. they have to. it's the contradiction of especially here in the states where you have opioids passed out like candy in the nfl for decades and nobody having a problem and the nba, as well. different professional leagues. you know? but then you have something like proven medicinal purposes with
cannabis and it's frowned upon but that's a bigger topic with the way it's criminalized in society. so many people right now for not violent crimes in jail for a nickel bag of weed. >> et an thomas, thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> that is all in on this tuesday night. "the rip hamilton show" starts right now. good evening. >> thank you. thank you for joining us this hour. happy to have you here. attorney general her mick garland met with members of the u.s. capitol police. the attorney general attended their roll call today to thank them for serving as players. also to thank them for what they did to save the u.s. capitol on january 6th. it was six months ago today that