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tv   Hallie Jackson Reports  MSNBC  July 6, 2021 7:00am-8:00am PDT

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as we come on the air, officials in surfside about to give an update at any moment, where search and rescue efforts stand at this hour as crews are not only fighting time but now wind and rain from the outer bands of tropical storm elsa. we're going to take you there live to surfside, whenever that begins, which is expected to be spared a direct hit but florida's west coast is not. we're closely tracking elsa's path, skirting past the florida keys as we speak dumping heavy rain and dangerous winds before taking aim at florida's gulf coast next. i'm yasmin vossoughian, everybody, in for hallie jackson this morning. we are, in fact, going to begin in florida, with nbc's vaughn hillyard and catie beckton in cam pa, florida and
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meteorologist bill karins to give us an update on elsa. if we have to cut off i'll spare you guys and go over to the press conference but talk us through, vaughn, any updates we know so far early this morning. >> reporter: good morning, yasmin, we're awaiting the press conference slated to start at any minute including mayor cava as very wait for updated numbers and how the search and rescue operation went overnight. the weather stopped the operation twice last night particularly because of lightning that was here just off of the surfside shore. you can also see in video from last night when the first outer banks of tropical storm elsa struck here in surfside, you saw high gusts of winds and downpour of rain. you can see those workers trying to work through it.
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we've been told by the officials here that rain would not be a damper on this particular effort, but that if the winds were too exceed 30 miles per hour, they would have to stop their operation. again, we know that at least the operation came to a halt twice last night but they continued that work overnight. the number still stands at 117 individuals that are unaccounted for, 28 who have been confirmed deceased at this time, and i will cede the floor to bill when it comes to forecasting here but i can tell you that official and those crews have been prepared all morning long for more rain and wind to come here onto surfside. right now it's been dry and the hope is that it remains that way here throughout the morning and into the afternoon. >> vaughn, any indication whether or not the demolition allowed the rescue workers to pick up the operations to move more quickly in trying to rescue folks?
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>> reporter: yes, this is the most progress they've had in the last 24 hours, they've been able to reach some parts of the building they were not able to reach in the first 11 days of that search operation. officials say some of the rubble from the initial collapse was part of the very infrastructure supporting that existing building from collapsing itself. what they've been able to do since is a tunnel, drill through below the rubble and able to reach every part of the building which they were not able to do before that building was demolished sunday night. this was a major 4 hours butted hart part is the reality just a few more individuals have been recovered in the last 24 hours and i believe we're getting word those officials are headed here to the site right now, we should expect to hear from them any second now. >> we'll go to them as soon as that gets going. bill as we await the press conference to get started, talk
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to us about the path. this thing started as a hurricane, went down to a tropical storm. any possibility here it could restrengthen once again to hurricane levels? >> reporter: i think it could, but that's not going to make much of a difference. the difference between a strong tropical storm and a lower end category 1 hurricane is kind of negligible. we may get a tiny bit more wind damage. as far as the storm surge and the rain, the forecast won't change much. this is sunrise over elsa, this is key west. the right side has the rain and the wind, hardly anything on the west side out over the gulf, as clear as could be and not a ton of rain over miami. this is a small tropical storm. near the center is t does pack a little bit of a punch. key west recently just had a wind gust of 59 miles per hour. now in key west, which is obviously hit by hurricanes
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frequently, that shouldn't cause hardly any damage whatsoever and by surfside, in miami, winds are 20, 25 miles per hour like your tripical tradewinds you get during the summertime anyways and no rain bands at this moment anywhere near southeast florida. so that's great news, too. so as far as the latest, the hurricane center is going to give us our brand new path and brand new prediction with intensity and where the storm is going to head at 11:00 a.m. eastern. so join us at the top of the next hour, we'll give you that new information. as far as the most recent update intensity, still 60-mile-per-hour winds, middle of the road sized tropical storm. they think it's going to increase a little bit in intensity. it may make landfall early this evening, around tampa or may go to the west of tampa and make landfall tomorrow morning. there's no eye to the storm so not too worried about that, not going to cause much of a difference. high tide is tonight after midnight and that's going to be when we should see the three to five-foot storm surge. if we get any damage from elsa, it would be in the back bays of the west side of florida, the
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southerly winds are going to pile that water up, this area is very prone to storm surge flooding w a storm approaching from the south so that's one of the stories we'll watch tonight towards the system. the wild card is always tornadoes. we have a chance from daytona beach to tampa almost all of the central florida peninsula has a chance for tornadoes. doesn't mean it will be widespread. some tropical systems produced a lot of tornadoes and some hardly any. usually this developing into the late afternoon and early evening if we have a tornado threat and the rainfall, florida has sandy soil. we're not too concerned with four to eight inches of rain in florida, but once we get into georgia and the carolinas, we could deal qualifieding. yasmin i said i'm not too concerned with the wind, these are the predicted peak wind gusts, by florida standards, they'll be able to deal with this just fine. >> stand by. the news conference is now beginning in surfside, florida. let's listen in.
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>> we also expect landfall along the west coast tomorrow morning. it's important that floridians don't focus necessarily on the cone, as we know impacts are expected well outside the area of the cone. the storm will likely be lopsided with most of the rainfall to the east of the center of the storm. right now, we have tropical storm warnings for 22 counties along florida's west coast and a hurricane watch is now in effect for the florida coast stretching from pinellas to dixie. storm surge continues to be a concern. there is a storm surge warning in effect for 12 counties between taylor and lee counties on the gulf coast. as we know here in florida, storm surge can be dangerous and life-threatening. we ask locals heed the emergency warnings and do not go to the beach. much of north and central florida experienced above normal rainfall over the past two weeks
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so we are anticipating an increase and potential qualifieding conditions especially since we've seen that 300% increase in the last 14 days. ahead of the storm, the state has issued a state of emergency to allow for flexibility of response and resources. we have received and requested an emergency declaration from fema. we have more than 8,000 electrical workers on standby. the governor continues to be in constant communications with the counties that are likely to be impacted, to make sure that we have sufficient resources. they've been putting their requests and we've been filling them expeditiously as needed. we'll continue to monitor that situation as well as the governor continues to remain focused on the efforts here in surfside. we ask florians to please begin their preparations, that includes being prepared to potentially be without power for a few days, have enough food, have enough water for each person in your family including pets. please stay tuned to florida's weather channel, make sure that
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you are constantly monitoring all local official warnings. if your area is asked to be evacuated, it is for your own safety. counties will open shelters as needed especially for special needs, if they issue evacuations. please be careful as you begin to make your storm preparations. the governor and our division of emergency management director have consistently reminded floridians the dangers of generators, make sure you use proper tools and materials if you're cutting down trees, do that safely. overall the state and floridians we know are well equipped to be able to handle the storm. we have our state emergency response teams working around the clock to ensure counties have all the resources they need. now i'll say a few words in spanish. [ speaking in spanish ]
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>> so we're taking a listen to the lieutenant governor at the press conference in surfside, florida, basically giving warnings about tropical storm elsa as it heads towards the florida west coast, obviously giving her interpretation in spanish as well to make sure all the residents of the state of florida understand what's going on there and the precautions they need to take ahead of the storm. talking about what we've been hearing from our own meteorologist bill karins, the path of this storm hitting the west coast of florida and emphasizing there could be significant uhm packets outside of the cone so even if you're not in the path of the storm of elsa, to take precautions outside of that path that we're seeing there, outside of that cone that we're seeing there on your screens right now.
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22 counties in florida right now preparing for storm watch. you also got some counties preparing for hurricane watch as well as we talked about with bill, this could well develop into a hurricane which doesn't mean much, a difference of 5-mile-per-hour winds basically. they are warning of storm surges. bill talking us through that, storm surge some of the most dangerous stuff inside of the storms and emphasizing that florida is under a state of emergency to make sure they utilize all resources they have on the ground there, also dealing with the tragedy at surfside. want to bring in vaughn hillyard, who is on the scene in surfside taking a listening to the press conference as well. vaughn, talk us through this. this is worst case scenario for folks there as they are still trying to continue on with this rescue and recovery mission, but dealing with the tropical storm headed up the west coast of florida, which is seeing some impacts, significant impacts where you are. >> reporter: that's right. this was two-pronged opinion on
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sunday there is the anticipation about the demolition which had families concerned about the impact that would have on the existing rubble site in the search for their loved ones. the demolition went about as well as it could have gone essentially staying in the contained area, mostly just dust getting on the existing rubble, making it easier for as early as yesterday morning throughout the day yesterday for those crews to begin to ramp up their rescue operation and really as officials say get it to 100% capacity, the number of individuals that could be under the rubble without potentially damaging it with weight issues but that's where yesterday afternoon came in, 4:00 p.m. eastern is when we saw wind gusts and heavy downpour hamper that effort. that was the initial outer bands. we saw the rains throughout the evening that search and rescue effort had come to a halt, at least twice, but that is where you're looking at that weather forecasting here right now, it is not raining, winds are moderate but the concern is there potential more storms like
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we saw yesterday afternoon here in the hours ahead, where there is a frantic effort. we just got confirmed from the miami-dade fire chief in fact that four more individuals were recovered in the early morning hours of today. that puts the total number of deceased in recovery individuals at 32. >> vaughn, let's, sorry to jump in, want to listen to the mayor of miami-dade who is speaking now. >> -- through the rain and the wind, they have continued searching. they paused only briefly for lightning, which is legally required for up to 30 minutes for pauses whenever there's a lightning strike within two and a half miles of the site. ing the impacts of tropical storm elsa, we do continue to expect occasional gusts and strong showers today and we're closely monitoring the weather and we now have our weather service embedded within our search and rescue teams to work
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closely to track for any changes that could impact the work to assure the safety of our first responders. through the teams' ongoing efforts we have recovered four additional victims. the number of confirmed deaths is now 32, with 26 of those identified. 191 people are accounted for, and we have 113 reports of people who are potentially unaccounted for. as i've mentioned before, the detectives are conducting ongoing and very thorough review of these names and these reports. many were originally submitted incomplete. so we may only have a name without an apartment number, without a date of birth, or other details, so of that 113 only around 70 of those are people we have been able to
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confirm were, in fact, in the building during the collapse. our detectives continue to follow up on every single report that was submitted but in many of these cases, they aren't able to reach the person who originally submitted the report, so it's a distant relative or someone overseas without clear details and that makes it very difficult for us to determine whether an individual was in fact in the building. we continue to urge all of the families who are missing loved ones to please reach out and connect with us so that our detectives can file missing persons reports with the police and we want to confirm every single account. every single life that has been lost is a beloved family friend, a best friend, someone's child or parent or niece or cousin or grandparent, and we know that waiting for news is unbearable. the waiting, the waiting, and the waiting is unbearable, and
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so receiving that your loved one is gone is also unbearable. we need information to confirm who is missing. please continue to hold all of the families in your hands and your hearts and your prayers during this unimaginably difficult time. we're also working hard to provide respite and support to the men and women of the teams wherever possible and today, we brought in cooling stations closer to the site to provide relief from the ongoing heat, as well as county buses, where they can take quick breaks from the wind and other conditions. we're also grateful to the support from royal caribbean which is providing a dock ship where first responders can also rest between the shifts. nist, our federal partner works closely with the specialists and detectives and fire rescue crews
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on site as the evidence gathering process is well under way. the teams are extremely well coordinated, capturing all possible insights from the debris and all evidence is being properly tagged and logged. the u.s. geological survey and national science foundation are also sending additional staff and the lidar scanners are working so that we can better analyze the debris, given the rough terrain of the pile and to make sure that we have the proper equipment and personnel on the site. all this evidence will be critical to the nist eventual fact-finding report and as we are working on all levels, local, state and federal, to provide answers and accountability for the victims of this unthinkable tragedy and going to be making policy changes as you know at every level and every step in the building process to ensure that this can never, ever happen
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again. [ speaking in spanish ] >> so we were just taking a listen now to the mayor of miami-dade county, the headline now come out of this press conference once again an awful headline at that, four additional victims have been found, four additional families now reeling from the loss of their loved ones in this unspeakable tragedy, 32 people now found dead amidst that rubble at surfside. on top of that, 113 people unaccounted for, amidst that, though, we are now hearing a new number, which is 70. 70 people have been confirmed to be inside the building when the champlain towers actually collapsed, so that means 43
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individuals of that 113 unaccounted for have not been accounted for to being inside that building. there is the possibility that they may very well have been outside of that building. so officials there are trying to confirm that as they continue this rescue and recovery mission. so just to reiterate, folks, 32 victims now confirmed from the champlain towers collapse. 113 currently unaccounted for, 70 confirmed to be inside that building, when those towers collapsed. the mayor of miami-dade county also talking about additional staff, which is being dedicated to analyze the debris of course to lead to the ultimate answer to the question all of us want to know, which is why this thing happened, why it ever happened and also mentioning policy changes happening. we're going to be speaking to the mayor of miami beach a little later on in the show to talk about some of the policy changes. we want to hear more about what
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it is they're discussing to make sure once when it all the buildings stay intact and this unbelievable tragedy doesn't happen once again. want to bring in vaughn hillyard standing by once again at surfside and vaughn, we are hearing this new headline of course of the number of people that have now been found dead amidst this debris. you and i were just talking about this, it really does seem to be with the other building being demolished, the speed of this is really picking up. >> reporter: the hope was even more would be recovered before the major part of tropical storm elsa arrived to shore here. that number of unaccounted, we keep saying unaccounted because there is a mass effort here to really try to get a true understanding of who all was inside of that building and just as examples, we have seen here over the last two weeks that number unaccounted suddenly shift and change. some of those individuals found not to be actually missing.
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just as an example, there was a family talking with a close friend of a woman who was staying in one of those condominium complexes. she and her 7-year-old daughter were both confirmed dead and to have been recovered, but she is believed to have been in that condominium complex with both of her parents as well as her sister, who is visiting from argentina. there was another family, three individuals who were columbian citizens here visiting the country. we are, there are situations like this, where they are trying to piecemeal, going room by room, who could have been in there overnight. a large international presence here, individuals from paraguay, the challenge is trying to get in touch with families and confirm that in fact individuals may have been in there, that's why you've seen that number fluctuate including here just this morning. >> incredibly challenging task. surfside mayor birkett speaking now. >> cranes moving heavy debris, a challenge they're attempting to work around right now.
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i met with the families this morning, with some families and the losses to them are catastrophic. one family i met with had a daughter who had recently graduated law school, recently married in january, and obviously the family is distraught and wanting to know every detail about what's happening and whether or not their daughter and their son-in-law are going to be found. i told them that we are working 24 hours a day, seven days a week, nonstop, with waves of search and rescue teams and that the miami-dade rescue teams out there, including the police and our foreign friends who are also assisting are doing everything they possibly can and they are as intent on pulling everybody out of that debris pile as the families are in having those
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family members pulled out. governor desantis, i met with yesterday, thank you, lieutenant, for coming today and governor desantis wants to supplement the charitable efforts that are ongoing now and asked me to work on that project. his concern is nobody fall through the cracks with respect to funding, so there are significant donors that i will be working with and we will be working to supplement all of the funds that are available to the families and make sure that everybody gets what they need. i know mayor cava was at the meeting, meeting with families, providing them consoling information and letting them know they have our 100% support. thank you, mayor cava, for doing that. as usual the town of surfside and i stand ready to provide any support to the rescue effect,
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rescue effort that we can. we're small but we're here. we're on the ground. our staff is working 12 to 18 hours a day and continue to do whatever we can to support the effort. we are currently responding to inquiries from our large buildings and town regarding the collapse and advising them that they should do a full structural review of their systems nix we are doing a deep dive with respect to the sister building you know called champlain north, the same building built by the same developer at the same time with the same plans, probably with the same materials and given we do not know why the first building fell down, we have significant concerns about that building and the residents in there you know from the very beginning. we worked to make sure those residents had alternative housing, if they wanted it. several of them have taken us up
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on that offer but right now, we continue to work with the condominium board to make sure that, well we can't make sure but we'll do everything we can to look at the structural systems, including ground penetrating radar, the columns, the beams, the slabs, and try to get our arms around what may be happening, what did happen, and but like i said, we have some concerns about not just some, but deep concerns about that building especially given we don't know what has happened there. but our engineer is actively working on it, as our town official is. lastly, i want to relay and again, i'm going to do this publicly and i know mayor cava has been extremely compassionate and supportive of the families -- >> we were taking a listen to surfside mayor burkett talking about the unspeakable tragedy so many families are facing right
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now as they find more victims beneath the rubble from the champlain tower collapse. with that, i want to bring in the mayor of miami beach, dan gelber, standing by for us. mayor, thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. a lot of folks will have a lot of questions and have had a lot of questions since the collapse of champlain towers. we heard the mayor of miami county essentially say there will be policy changes. can you tell me what any of these policy changes may be or the conversations that you've been having about these policy changes? >> sure. obviously we'll look into the whole issue to make sure whatever we do addresses the issues that need to be addressed. we look at how our 40-year recertification process goes through, to what extent government is sort of responsible for making sure that work is done, looking at some of the advancements people get to
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do their work. we've immediately done stuff in our city. we have a huge amount of commercial residential over three-story buildings. we have about 507 and within a week, we did at least visual inspections of all of them. we sent our inspectors out and we are now requiring within about 21 days each of those buildings to do a licensed report on the structural engineering background to make sure that everything is sort of up to date. that all said, i think we're all going to be looking at just sort of how our building code operates with regard to these condominiums where in instances the decisions are made by condo boards, we've heard a lot about the disputes among boards and things like that, so i think you can expect both our county, our city and in fact the state of florida to be doing a real analysis as to whether or not the process is right and then of course, whether or not we are testing the right things, whether we need water proofing
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more than we've had it and things like that. this is an awful tragedy but we need to make sure that we, that this never can happen again and whatever we need to do, we do. >> how do you make sure you stay on top of it? when tragedies like this happen, folks like you, of course, react, want to make sure this never happens again but then it's in the rear view eventually. how do you make sure you stay on top of this, especially when it comes to that recertification process? >> i don't know that this is ever going to be in our rear view mirror. tragedies have been the order and we never had a process in our community, i'm not sure many have. maybe oklahoma city many years ago but this is just something that is, you know, unthinkable in every way. we're not putting it in our rear view mirror but extract the lessons we can and look at the processes and also going to make sure we're not just examining what happened there, but other things that we might not have thought of. we're going to do a top to bottom review of this and i
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think the whole community, the whole state is doing it, especially in south florida. other parts of the state don't even have 40-year recertifications. we did that a lot of that after hurricane andrew, which i recall very well, increased our building code, we were much more exacting in the requirements. the question is, are we making sure the requirements are in fact enacted, do we need new requirements? i think all that is going to happen, but we're not going to just sort of rush into something. we want to do it in an informed thoughtful way. >> right. before i let you go, i want to ask but this "washington post" reporting about frank moribida, the structural engineer working on the buildings and its repairs. i wonder as we think about how to make sure this doesn't happen again, does there need to be a situation in which there are two separate structural engineers working on the recertification process of these buildings to make sure you got four eyes
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essentially on buildings like the champlain towers that nothing goes missed? >> well look, i believe certainly we're going to make sure that the licensure and the folks that are the experts that are doing the reviews are enhanced, whether it's four eyes or whether it's some other process. you can be certain that inertia is not going to be the organizing principle. we're not going to simply say if somebody looked at it, we're fine or if a condo board decided not to do something, we're just going to let that go. i think this clearly mandates that we have a more active role in making sure that the governance of these places is taken care of. >> should folks in your community feel safe about where they live? >> yes, they should feel safe, but that doesn't mean we're going to just not do anything. i mean, look, i've lived in this community my whole life. this is a once in a life time event but we would be foolish if we didn't extract from this
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terrible tragedy at least something that helps us improve the safety elsewhere. same thing that happened after hurricane andrew. we changed our building codes. we looked at, and that was obviously devastation across whole communities but we've got to extract from this what we need to. we have to do a sear yes, sir review, not just something that makes people feel good but that improves the safety of folks that they feel comfortable living where they're living. >> mayor dan gelber, thank you. we have more to get to including an exclusive look this morning with of aforces and dangerous mission against taliban fighters. richard engel with them on the front lines. six months after the attack on the capitol, what the acting chief of the capitol police is saying about the future of the department. we'll be right back. ers left ina hurry, so the house comes with everything you see. follow me. ♪
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welcome back, everybody. just days after u.s. troops left
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afghanistan, the "wall street journal" is reporting the taliban has seized control of yet another border crossing after already gaining control of u.s. crossing just two weeks ago. with that the taliban raking it in, also more than 1,000 afghan soldiers reportedly fled across the border into tajikistan, the taliban seizing one-third of afghanistan's districts within weeks as the ap reports new details about the u.s. troop departure with afghan military officials saying the troops shut off the electricity and left without telling bagram's new afghan commander. one soldier describing the shutdown as a "signal" to looters who ransacked the place. the new commander adding the troops left behind millions of things including cars without keys, blew up unused ammunition as well. with that i bring in richard engel who is in kabul, afghanistan for us, also with us is former national security council director foriraq, doug
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olivant. now leading the fight against the taliban are afghan commandos trained by u.s. special forces. you actually joined them exclusively on a raid outside of kabul. tell us what happened, what you experienced. >> reporter: so right now the afghan commandos are shouldering most of the burden here, not what they were designed to do. er this designed line american special operations forces to be units that go on a specific mission, on a specific raid and then go back, rest, refit and go on the next mission but since we're seeing more or less the wholesale collapse of the afghan national army, where the afghan military is giving up posts generally without fighting in some cases as you mentioned fleeing across the border, going into tajikistan, now the afghan government is trying to negotiate their safety return or some sort of terms which they
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can stay in tajikistan. since the afghan army which was also trained by the u.s. military is falling to pieces, is crumbling, is handing over its weapons to the taliban, and this is only a cycle that reinforces itself, because the more afghan posts that collapse, the more weapons the taliban seize, the more the taliban are able to use those incidents for propaganda, then the more posts collapse and it snowballs. so stepping into this breach are the afghan commandos and they are carrying out about 90% of the offensive operations, and we went out with them last night and we saw a mission, it was a very targeted operation, it was very professional, and they were able to kill six taliban fighters. they were hoping to get more, but it was the kind of raid you would expect to see special forces doing. the tip of the spear. but the rest of the spear is
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broken, so it is now the tip of the spear, these commandos that are doing the heavy lifting here, and the question is, can these forces, which are only in the tens of thousands, maintain enough security, even though they do still have intelligence support, some support from the u.s. military but they don't have that shoulder to shoulder support. so they have a tremendous responsibility, i must say from what i saw, they were operating at a very high level, they were operating very professionally, but the burden may be too great for them. >> doug, let's talk about how to necessarily stop the taliban advancing here from fact. you are hearing from richard's report the afghan forces shouldering the burden not doing a great job considering their training here. the tip of the sphere as richard put it, the afghan commandos but they are small and mighty. they can't do it alone either. you have a u.s. intelligence report recently estimating
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afghan government could fall within six months. again you have the taliban advancing every hour of every day. very quickly, can you stop them? >> well, i think as richard pointed out, good to see richard again, it depends how good the afghan commandos are. i'm not a fan of iraq and afghanistan comparisons but in this particular we seem to be seeing history repeat itself, in the iraq anti isis fact it was a rook's counterterrorism service which by its very name is not designed to do mainstream fighting, that ended up having to go out and carry most of the burden of the fight against isis. it sounds like we are seeing, and richard is seeing a repeat of that in afghanistan, that it's only this elite force that's been trained by u.s. special forces that has retained the motivation and has the
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ability to really carry this fight against the taliban. we're just going to have to see what kind of status quo emerges. is there a line beyond which the taliban can move, can they only project power so far out of their in the pashtune ethnic group, only a plurality in afghanistan. the other ethnic groups can form a majority against them. i think we have some open questions. that said, i don't expect kabul to fall any time soon. >> richard, how long can these afghan commandos shoulder this burden? how far are they willing to go with this considering the obstacles they have ahead? >> well, they will go until the very end. the question is will the u.s. keep funding them? will the u.s. keep providing them intelligence and will they
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end up spreading themselves so thin that they are no longer commandos? there's talk in this country of doubling the size of the afghan commandos. now, if you double the size of an elite force very quickly, it no longer becomes an elite force. so if they are the tip of the spear and you're suddenly trying to use them to do another mission, you could end up breaking them and that is something to watch. i would also draw a parallel to iraq, because we saw the big army collapse in iraq. you're seeing the big army collapsing here in afghanistan, and what you saw in iraq was the rise of isis, and we're seeing the same thing here. multiple afghan officials are telling me that foreign jihadis, al qaeda, isis, other extremist groups are streaming into this country, which is one of the reasons you have to watch the border crossings. the taliban are deliberately taking border crossings because the jihadis want to be part what have they think of is the final victory that the taliban is
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finally able to push out the world's superpower and this that's the narrative the taliban is portraying that afghan fighters defeated the british empire and able to defeat the cia's help, they don't mention that, the soviet union and now because of god's grace and their determination, they are pushing out the united states, and that message is resonating not just in afghanistan, it is resonating across the internet and resonating with the jihadis who are coming into this country. we saw the rise of isis in iraq. there could be a similar situation here, where even if the taliban don't necessarily take kabul and by the way, you have to watch the prisoners. what happened in iraq is also happening here, the taliban are definitely interested in targeting the prisoners, targeting the prisons and freeing some of their own members of their ranks. if they were able to do this and they get the foreign jihadis coming in right now, they could create a tremendous amount of
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problem. we could have a similar situation to the rise of isis in iraq and syria here in afghanistan. >> so before i let you guys go, doug, i quickly want to talk about u.s. responsibility on a local level and as former afghan interpreters we saw what happened to so many iraqi interpreters after iraq, threatened inside of iraq, seen as traitors. the same fate could face these afghan interpreters. what responsibility does the united states have to get these guys out, who worked for us for so long. >> well the moral case for taking the interpreters out is pretty obvious. they helped the united states. they helped the united states forces, and therefore there is an argument that they should be evacuated from the country. the counter argument for this, and i think this is why we're seeing this move slowly is two-fold. one is the security argument, what if even just one interpreter's family has a son
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or someone or a cousin who is an al qaeda affiliate and that isn't picked up in the security screening, that's a concern, and the second i think is about afghanistan itself. afghanistan is not over endowed with an educated professional class, and if you remove all these interpreters, the educated, the english speakers, the western sympathizers from the country, that doesn't leave much human capital for afghanistan to try to build a new society with. now, that said, if the taliban kills all of them there's no point in leaving them there. there san interesting balance of just how urgent is the risk and just how important is it to leave a cadre of western oriented human capital, smart afghans who could be a big part of making something for the future of their country. >> richard enle, doug ollivant.
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welcome back. six months ago today rioters attacking the u.s. capitol trying to put a stop to democracy, more than 500 people have been arrested and charged. federal investigators are still searching for hundreds more.
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with that we want to bring in scott macfarlane, investigative reporter for nbc washington and also with us reporter. and give us a status update on the criminal investigations and what challengescorrespondent, a give us a status update on the criminal investigations and what challenges lie ahead for federal investigators? >> yeah, this developing news a few moments ago, a court set the second trial date for the second group of oath keepers on april 19th, 2022. that's a good indication of where things stand. a very long and winding legal road is ahead of us even now on the 6 month anniversary. one solitary case has gotten to sentencing. there are hundreds of defendants already charged and hundred
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defendants more possible, and six months ago at this moment those active pipe bombs were sitting ominously outside the dnc headquarters, and there have been no arrest in that case either. >> the select committee, they are in a holding pattern because the house is out. the capitol police taking steps to improve what happened. >> acting capitol police chief is outlining a series of changes to the agency aimed at improving security around here and designed to make sure an attack like january 6th never happens again. they will be doing joint training exercises with the national guard, and doing riot
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training, and shoot don't shoot possibilities. and she said -- the acting police chief said she wants the capitol police to start thinking of itself as a intelligence-based protective agency. this is important because there have been squabbling between local d.c. police and the fbi and capitol police about who knew what and whether intelligence was flagged to them quick enough. there will be a committee investigating all of this, how did this happen and what kind of security failures around here prevented the police forces that left several head and more than 100 injured. >> i do want to talk
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infrastructure. the infrastructure deal negotiated in the senate is getting a significant endorsement in the house. >> that is correct. the house problem solvers caucus, which is a group of 58 members evenly decided, 29 democrats and 29 republicans, is endorsing this deal, and that is significant but with a caveat. the deal could get the support of 15 republicans, and 15 republicans means there's wiggle room on speaker pelosi's left to move the bipartisan deal, and at this moment it's far from a done deal and the speaker said she will not move that deal until the senate passes that and the deal to fund president biden's human infrastructure plan. they want to shift the calculous
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about how this could go forward. >> thank you both, guys. appreciate it. let's talk covid. these are the headlines this morning as the u.s. and the world attempt to push past this pandemic. in the united states, data showing all new cases and deaths can be attributed to the unvaccinated. only 150 of nearly 18,000 covid deaths in may were among vaccinated individuals. then in israel, one of the first countries to achieve widespread vaccination concerned over the pfizer vaccine and it's level of protection against the delta variant. it's closer to 70% effective against the more contagious form of the virus. then in the uk, prime minister boris johnson announcing most covid restrictions will be lifted. with 7, i want to bring in our
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msnbc contributors. welcome to you both. talk to us about what is happening in the uk right now when it comes to opening post pandemic despite the surge they are seeing with the delta variant, how do they make sure they don't see an even bigger one? >> hey, well, boris johnson is embarking on the final phase of the very ambitious road map to get rid of pretty much all restrictions in the country bite 19th of june. they are having a meeting next month, and if it's approved it will be no limits on social contact, and that means groups of any size can meet indoors or outdoors, and no more social distancing, you don't have to keep six feet from anybody, and no caps on concerts, large events, sports events, theaters, all of these sorts of things can
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have full capacity. there will be no legal requirements to wear a mask in public. transport in shops and museums and other outdoor venues. the government won't require anybody to work from home anymore, either, and that will be a personal choice between the personnel and their company. this is boris johnson telling people to learn to live with the virus and exercise their best judgment. we are going into uncharted territory. nobody else has done this, especially given the new delta variant that is so contagious, but boris johnson is betting on the rapid vaccine rollout in this country. a lot of people have been vaccinated here, 86% of adults have had one shot, and 64% have had two shots. he thinks that's going to give everybody broad protection in this country. we'll have to see if it works. >> doctor, let's talk about the
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delta variant that he just mentioned, and the study out 6 israel saying the pfizer vaccine is less protective against the delta variant. what do you make of that and should folks be worried? >> first of all, this is to be expected. it doesn't mean this vaccine, the pfizer vaccine is any different than what we can expect from moderna and j&j. we will see new variants, and so the bottom line for the study in israel, which is still to be proven again here in the united states, is to continue to vaccinate people to prevent the spread. >> i want to talk about testing. i have a friend that tested positive for covid recently that had the j&j vaccine, and the
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only reason they went to get tested is because they lost their taste and smell, and should folks be getting tested with the new delta variant out there? >> yes, they should. i had a patient yesterday who had symptoms of congestion, and i think it's important that we can continue to test people who are vaccinated if they are symptomatic and make sure they stop the spread, too. we want to make sure that even vaccinated people if they are symptomatic don't spread this virus to somebody more vulnerable to them because we know vaccination does have some protection. >> what is the symptomatic line, and maybe you won't get a fever, but if you have congestion,
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which i have now, should i go and get tested? >> i did notice that and i was going to tell you that afterwards. testing is widely available. you can get it at any neighborhood drug stores, and it's free, accessible and fast. if you have any symptoms, congestion, runny nose, headache, there's no down side to have the information if you have or do not have the virus. could you have some other virus you don't want to spread to people? >> i guess i'm going to get tested today. very much appreciate it, both of you. thank you for watching. right now, more news with my friend, craig melvin. good tuesday morning to you.
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craig melvin here. right now we are staying on top of high stakes stories. we just heard from florida officials about search and rescue efforts in surfside, and the death toll from the condo collapse continues to rise. four more victims found in the rubble bring the total to 32 dead so far, and rescuers are not just racing through times to sift through millions of pounds of rubble, but they are facing down tropical storm elsa. >> we do continue to expect occasional gusts and strong showers today, and we're closely monitoring the weather and we now have our weather service embedded within our search and rescue teams to work closely to track for any changes that could impact the work to assure the safety of our first responders. >> we just got an update on that storm seconds ago from the national hurricane center, the 11:00

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