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tomorrow will mark six months since the january 6th insurrection, the day donald trump incited a mob to attack the u.s. seat of government and prevent the peaceful transfer of power. they descended on to our capitol, hunting for the vice president and speaker of the house, intending to capture and assassinate elected officials. built a gallows and chanted hang mike pence. this also means we're six months into a vast republican undertaking to gaslight the american people into memory holing what went down that horrible day, a day president
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joe biden has described as worst attack on our democracy since the civil war. heard republicans downplay and flat-out deny violence that left five people dead. heard republicans including their dear leader themselves turn the rioters into victims and martyrs as video showed them beating police. congressional republicans like clyde describing it as a quote, normal tourist visit, and widely reject a bipartisan commission to investigate the attack, and stonewall the committee the democrats did in its place. clearer picture thanks to the government's video evidence released at q of nbc and other news organizations. trying to rotate fresh officers to the front of the siege. >> slowly, rotating out the front line. shield line behind you, go
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behind me. you, here. go. go. you, go. all right. ladies and gentlemen, back up! >> joining me now, scott mcfarland, investigative reporter for nbc 4 washington. michelle goldberg for the "new york times" and dean iguodala, msnbc columnist. scott you've been pouring through the cases against the insurrectionists, people part of the siege, what are you learning that brings together what we now know about who they were and why they say they were there. >> hey joy, they're from all walks of life, all parts of the country. but last few days going through court filings, it's increasingly
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clear on a journey legally we're closer to starting than finish line. 516 is latest count, federally charged accused insurrectionists, could be hundreds more. 2% of the case, 2%, have gotten to plea agreement and just one has gone to sentencing. there's a journey to be made here. here's the kernel of where the case is right now. three large groups of defendants, all accused of being parts of far right groups -- the oathkeepers, proud boys and three percenters. accused of conspiracy, plotting, planning, coming ready for action on january 6th. those cases are in their infancy. but oathkeepers stands out. feds won early victories and made progress there. secured three plea agreements, all three of whom agreed to flip and help the feds with their
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investigation. prosecutors say there are good plea agreement conversations with rest of them. >> discerned any ties yet to lawmakers? allie alexander is missing out in the world. don't know he's been captured. he named lawmakers as part of it. just had lawmakers doing a tour of the border with one of the people who stormed the capitol, who is apparently friendly with marjorie taylor greene, a sitting member of congress. any connections been made in court? >> what we can tell, nbc news team read through the filings, no mention of member of congress by name or otherwise. but can tell you, mentioned oathkeepers are flipping and helping the feds. typically in federal prosecutions when you have defendants flip it's because they're going to flip bigger
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fish. right now the oathkeepers are the big fish. so provocative question is who are they going to turn over or what to the prosecutors. >> and michelle, thing about the groups, proud boys stand out particularly as organization that "washington post" and other reporters talked about as law enforcement looking other way when they're around, weirdly cozy relationships going into the siege with lawmakers. people in oathkeepers providing security for roger stone, around the former president. it's very difficult, other than three percenters who are just a radical organization, do you feel it's inevitable we're going to have to start talking about elected officials as we talk about these cases? >> i think one elected official we should be talking about right now is paul goethar who did rallies with ali alexander and
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seems to be close to him and close to the white nationalist and refusing to disavow that association. nudge nudge wink wink white nationalism, unapologetic. far worse than anything that steve king -- center of gravity in the republican party has moved so far where they would have once expelled steve king in order to preserve what they thought was their image, they've come to expect that greene and goethar are part of their image. yes, i think that -- it's no secret. anybody could have seen the rally that preceded the insurrection and people saying, including the president of the united states we're going to march on the capitol. question is whether the coordination went beyond the already shocking level of coordination we've seen.
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>> indeed, dean, mussolini wasn't physically leading the brown shirts to do their attacks other. we have to confront the uncomfortable "f" word, fascism. when you marry loyalty to one leader and willingness to overthrow the government for that one leader for white americans this corps believes should be on top, i can't avoid. it you've gone further and said we have to talk about terrorism. has all the hallmarks of bin laden type leadership. he wasn't on the the planes either. >> fascism, lot of people don't know what it means. not a common usage term.
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by explaining we know it's not hyperbolic. gop is not a political party but white nationalist movement that's embraced fascism. that's what we're seeing. christopher wray has testified under oath, didn't use the word insurrection but said this is an act of domestic terrorism. that's the fbi director and words we should be using. act of domestic terrorism, incited by donald trump. his supporters who attacked the capitol are terrorists. two plus two equals four. all are terrorists because the fbi director said it was act of terrorism. if islamic cleric for two months after the election said election was fraud, stop the steal, want the supporters to stop the steal and muslims attacked the capitol, are you telling me the cleric wouldn't be charged?
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donald trump would be screaming for it. what nation can man incite attack, radicalize people for months and punishment is he's on facebook for two years and playing golf. and still defending the terrorists. intellectually it's hard for me to understand what is going on in the country that we're not using term fascism or terrorism. you're with us or with the terrorists, is that clear? >> to underscore that, had white supremacists march in philadelphia before the july 4th celebration. enemy of the far right in their words are antifa, being antifascist. they're antiantifascist by their own reckoning. there's attempt to create anglo-saxon caucus that got spoiled because it got out.
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ashli babbitt, seems to be attempt to make her new kyle rittenhouse, make her into a martyr. we do stuff on policing here, lot of police are a problem. this police officer was not a problem. defended the lives of terrified members of congress. ashli babbitt, trained by our tax dollars to kill, military member. if she had gotten through the door, god knows what harm she could have done. what do you make of the attempt to turn her into a martyr? >> there was a moment right after the insurrection when it was so raw and revulsion against it was so intense, saw even the republicans in congress and writ large wanting to distance themselves from it. and now i think they have a sort of double think about it. right? it's almost like holocaust deniers. it didn't happen, if it did, they deserved it.
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you have a significant number of republicans, recent poll that showed a chunk of republicans that believe it was antifa who stormed the capitol. there's a slight majority of the republicans who blame democrats in congress for the insurrection, for inciting it. which makes no sense whatsoever. and number of republicans who blame donald trump, who believe this movement was representative of trump's movement, has declined quite a bit in the last six months. so again, you sort of have republicans of two minds. on the one hand they want to disavow and distance themselves and pretend they had nothing to do with it. at the same time this martyrology around ashli babbitt is telling. really their hearts are with the insurrectionists and think what they were trying to do, what donald trump thinks they were trying to do is good and just and only problem is it didn't succeed. >> and dean, you have a third of republicans who filed to run in
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2022. echoing the very big lie that brought those very people to the capitol. do you think that democrats -- are they alarmed enough about this? this terrifies me. i don't know if they're alarmed enough about it. >> no, they should be watching your show every night, joy, to understand the stakes and how to frame this. it's about framing. democrats don't grasp the fierce urgency of now. martin king talked about voting and civil rights, we're talking about our democracy sustaining and enduring going forward. those are the stakes right now. gop are not fearful of donald trump, they agree with trump. at his rallies cheering. people interviewed afterward saying that if trump is not reinstated will be a civil war. i don't hear republicans denouncing those people. democrats should be saying this is act of terrorism incited by donald trump. you're with us or against.
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begging democrats to use the term on the 9/11 anniversary, use that language. it's visceral. moves people. insurrection is intellectual and debated. can't be politics as normal in our nation. >> and head of the new commission was on with ali and asked if he was prepared to subpoena the former president and he said subpoena anyone. jim clyburn has said he wouldn't like to see a former president testify but would be down with it. going to end on the legal cases with you scott. what should we be looking for? noted 516 total cases. is there sort of a commonality that gives us a sense of where they're going? and if they're flipping people, to what end? are we talking about essentially naming three groups,
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oathkeepers, proud boys and three percenters as domestic terrorist groups? seem to be the focus. >> that's a great question. haven't seen people flipped then named in new cases. but fbi director said to congress there are hundreds more investigations in addition to those already are charged, leaving open possibility of hundreds more arrests. add one point. talk about january 6th, this hour is six month anniversary of 7:00 p.m. d.c. time january 5th. somebody left live pipe bombs at this hour, been no arrests or suspects in that case. >> another open thing. and ali alexander missing in action where the hell is this guy. need more than a commission. scott, michelle and dean, you've
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been great. thanks. up next on "the reid out." did donald trump just admit to the charges facing his company? would be dumb. plus museum is no place for discussion of texas history. and growing outrage over the suspension of sha'carri richardson, if it's a dumb rule, change it now. "the reid out" continues after this. reid out" continues after this ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ comfort in the extreme. ♪♪ the lincoln family of luxury suvs. liberty mutual customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need.
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the disgraced twice impeached former president was back out there over the holiday weekend on his revenge tour. just days after his company, the trump organization, and cfo allen weisselberg were indicted for tax scheme. normally wouldn't play sound of this guy but he admitted.
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>> go after good hardworking people for not paying taxes on a company car. company car. you didn't pay taxes on the car or company apartment. you used apartment because you have to travel too far and didn't pay tax. or education for your grandchildren. i don't even know, does anybody know the answer to that stuff? okay? but they indict people for that. >> apparently trump still talks like marilyn monroe, breathily and weirdly. also following lead of his two adult fail sons don and that other one. what's the big deal to spin fox news to trumps side. >> crime is rampant, people leaving the city in record numbers. dirty and disgusting, and district attorney's office focused on $3.5 million to take
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down a political opponent. >> this is a farce, disgrace they spend millions of dollars and years instead of prosecuting murderous thugs on the streets of new york they go after their political enemies. >> unfortunately, people dodge taxes all the time. this is unfair is not a solid argument in a court of law. sorry. according to "washington post," trump organization provided a road map for its own indictment, internal spreadsheets that tallied the payments being hidden. treated as accounting equivalent of confession. joyce vance and suzanne fring. love they wrote their own indictment with spreadsheets. y you are thoughts. >> well, this is absolutely fascinating commentary tour for top executives of the trump
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organization to be making right now. they haven't been indicted yet, allen weisselberg is the one in this particular indictment so far. but hard to figure there aren't criminal defense lawyers for any number of people face palming as they hear this commentary. what you expect from owner of company when there's indictment like this either to deny any of the misconduct occurred or express outrage. i'm shocked there's gambling in "casablanca," this probably won't play well if it's in the trial. >> i only robbed the five and dime. doesn't help you. trump argued, never before has new york city city or any
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prosecutors criminally charged a company. lorena hemsley's ghost. she was convicted. folks do get prosecuted for this in new york and elsewhere, right? >> both state and federal systems. this is a strategy we've seen trump use before, this notion of not an important crime, people don't get prosecuted for this is like an instant replay of what happened in the mueller investigation when trump dismissed obstruction of justice as a process crime, not something that people should worry about. here he is again appealing to the court of public opinion, thinking that somehow that will help him with federal prosecutors. might have worked for someone cloaked in the protection of the presidency, will be interesting
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to see if public outrage by his base will have any impact on what is now the indictment of allen weisselberg. i sort of doubt it. >> shouldn't in a normal country. read a quote regarding the spreadsheets. for certain years, the trump organization maintained internal spreadsheets. weisselberg received the benefits of the payments and the organization treated them as annual compensation so he's not paid more than authorized fixed amount of gross compensation. you've looked into the trump tax weird world. is this a common way the trump organization paid people? did the tax returns reveal this or the spreadsheets? >> what we're seeing and what
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the documents in the indictment we see are very much internal work product of the trump organization, we didn't have visibility in his taxes but a lot of documents they're putting together. allegations, may make it to court one day but anytime you hear two sets of books, it's not good starting point. as journalist, you want documents. this was document-based indictment. witnesses can be great but unreliable. documents are there and can't impeach the character of it. can argue its veracity and debate it but it's great with prosecutor to go into case with this many documents which they seem to have. >> and michael cohen talked about millions of documents, having worked there as donald trump's lawyer. also testified before the grand
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jury. going through and looking from journalistic standpoint the way the trump organization operated, when michael cohen and others said that this is a way of underpaying people. relatively low salaries and compensating them with presents for them, their kids, house to live in. did you find that thing in the internals of the trump organization? particularly the stuff that mary trump provided? >> we didn't see so much that because we had tax return information. this is now what they didn't tell the tax man. but what it had the effect of doing is reducing the amount of taxable income the irs could go after. getting perks on the one side, and just the way they're being accounted for is not fully reflecting the taxable income. when i heard the remarks on saturday, i heard two things. joy talking about they're going
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to minimize this, oh, yeah, small ball. but other thing i heard which was very interesting and contours of the legal defense you're going to start to see them present, which is he needed an apartment to stay in new york, so we gave him that. these were legitimate. i don't think we'll have argument that the grandchildren's tuition is, but bigger items they'll argue are legitimate expenses and going to be a debate should it end up in court. >> if you were lawyer representing don and eric trump, not that they would pay you, may not want to be but say you were, would you advise them to keep talking? seems like trump organization is family business. if you read mary trump's book, donald trump and his father were in the habit of being like live in this apartment for free or cheap, it's thing you did. if you were don and eric would you talk on tv?
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or advise them to if you were their lawyer? >> if i was in the position of being their lawyer, joy, i would give them the same advice i would give to anybody else under investigation in a criminal case, don't go out in public and run your mouth. if you're going to talk with prosecutors or investigators, do it with your lawyer or through your lawyer not being in the room. this is just really insanity. but you have to wonder, does this signify they believe they are so untouchable they can get away with anything? that they really believe that by catering to the court of public opinion they can outrun the courts of the state of new york? it is baffling to see this conduct. >> if i had to guess, i guess the answer is yes. they do believe that. dad got away with it, donald trump has gotten away with it his whole life. probably believe that.
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okay, you know how republicans love to rage against censorship and cancel culture? they don't walk like they talk it. in texas. state republicans led by luminaries like governor greg abbott who can't even manage the state's electrical grid forced cancellation of book at museum. examines the role slavery played leading up to the battle of the
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alamo. mere mention of slavery triggered the fragility of the republicans on the board of the museum. abbott didn't have the courage to publicly condemn it. but fact free rewriting of texas history. lieutenant governor and entire state proudly announced that texas state history museum is no place for history. coauthor of "forget the alamo". i have to read your response to lieutenant governor. dm me and come on my show. one of the reasons you are here. wrote that lieutenant governor dan patrick takes red credit for oppressing free speech and
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policing thought in texas. bulluck museum proves it's a propaganda outlet. tell me the story of the book event, how it got scheduled and canceled. >> bullock reached out as soon as they found out we were doing this book. had spoken to program manager months in advance once we had the publication date of june 8th, we talked to them again, said yes, we want you here. we had a lot of demand for speaking, including from the writers league of texas. thought do a joint event, get the two groups together, do it virtually anyway, and bullock said we'll supply the website and register attendees and make this happen. then a right-wing extremist group called texas public policy foundation starts tweeting about
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this. they're particularly incensed by the content of our book. so we checked in with the bullock, no problem, we've done controversial stuff before. besides the "wall street journal" had smu history professor talk about how great the book is, ut professor said this is old news, most interesting part is the modern part of our book. and lieutenant governor then drops the hammer. either calls up the bullock or -- says no, got to pull out. we get a call from the publisher, this is off. writers league of texas said we can get you on zoom call. we're like no, not enough time. that's when i went to twitter. >> and wise thing to do in modern age, go public. what is the status now? are you going to be able to discuss your book?
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texas has put in the 1836 project, creating nine member committee to promote patriotic education and history. want to limit the way that historical events are taught. they have to be taught in way that i guess makes hathography of texas history, not real history. are you allowed to discuss this book in state of texas? >> clearly i'm standing in texas, talking to you. we're hoping to do book events at private book stores, but i have questions how far this goes. am i banned from state universities? texas book festival is held on state property every year. i'm on the board of advisers, am i not able to discuss my book there? i have a lot of questions for governor patrick, and we're talking to attorneys with questions too about his attitude
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towards the first amendment. >> first amendment is supposed to prevent government from pressuring americans on the basis of their speech or intervening in the use of free speech. that seems like straightforward case. let's talk about your book itself. what is the premise that's so terrifying to the 1836 project folks? >> we make the argument that the myths that were taught to people my age and younger frankly in texas schools are hurtful to the growing plurality of hispanics in texas. it paints a picture of freedom loving anglos fighting against dark-skinned people for liberty. it completely ignores the role that slavery played in motivating this. point out inconvenient fact that mexico is a multicultural
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society that had just overthrown spanish colonial rule and was trying to outlaw slavery. president santa ana said i'm going to free the wretched souls held in bondage in texas. to say those things in texas is going to get you slapped down. >> it's the same way they don't like to talk about in war of 1812, the brit. >> british were offering freedom and land to enslaved africans who joined the fight. offering to completely free all the slaves, his own emancipation proclamation. we don't get that history either. do you believe the goal of the government of texas is suppress history because part of the law says they have to give deference
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to both sides. what is the other side, slave holders fighting a war to hold on to their slaves, what could you give to that? >> i don't know. that's the problem. all grew out of a problem i wrote about texas needing to rebrand itself. we cannot have the image of the long tall white cowboy fighting and enslaving people of color as our brand anymore. but unfortunately, conservatives, particularly governor abbott and patrick, their identity is caught up in this mythology. governor patrick has a collection of john wayne memorabilia in his office to give you idea where his politics are. >> don't read him the interview in which john wayne called himself white nationalist. might not like that not giving deference to both sides. i've ordered your book, can't
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search and rescue efforts resumed today at surfside, florida, after pausing for the crews to dmel demolish to get to inaccessible areas. death toll rose to 28. more victims found, 117 remain unaccounted for. nbc news correspondent morgan chesky, what is the latest?
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>> reporter: you can see crews are busy. 24/7 operation, and their able to go deeper into the rubble because of the demolition that took place that officials say was highly successful. remaining portion of champlain tower south fell on top of its footprint and put a large, thick, rubber mat over the area they had been searching should any debris fall that direction, would be able to knock it off, pull it back and go back to the layer they were in. as result, they've been able to move heavier equipment inside interior areas and go into areas they had not been able to access before. now on day 12. spoke to fema search and rescue worker today, what do you tell the folks who realize how far we are now, regarding chance of survival? tell them what we believe, we're
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holding out hope for a miracle. of course people here pointing to other instances people have survived upwards of two weeks or longer in collapses. but this is absolutely a search and rescue mission right now. they are not calling it recovery just yet. families meanwhile staying at nearby hotel. did reach out to get their thoughts on demolition. they were briefed prior to it taking place and many understand this was necessary step in the process to try to go deeper into the pile. as it stands right now, 40% of the debris above ground has been removed and we know that's about 4.8 million pounds of concrete. incredible job that's already been done but still lays ahead of them. all with a careful eye on tropical storm elsa as it churns its way towards florida. expected to go to western side of the state there is a concern
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that lightning and/or wind could pose issue. lightning strike within 2 1/2 miles crews have to pause 30 minutes before getting back on the pile and they know more than anyone just how precious every second is. >> really appreciate that. coming up, latest controversy around american olympic athletes of color, sneaky little racism they're encountering every turn. espn's jones joins me next. espn's jones joins me next reason, or fun. daring, or thoughtful. sensitive, or strong. progress isn't either or progress is everything.
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in an olympic year when black women athletes are posed to become the faces of team usa, gymnast simone biles and jordan chiles and sprinter allyson felix to name just a few, the biggest topic is the star athlete who potentially will not appear at the games. sprinter sha'carri richardson
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the 21 year old american track star. following her one-month suspension after testing positive for thc, the chemical in marijuana. she told the "today" show she takes full responsibility for her actions. a lot of people are questioning why weed, of all things, which to my knowledge has never made anybody faster, is keeping her out of the games. richardson's punishment comes amid a host of arbitrary rules and criticisms seemingly only directed at black women athletes, including a ban by swimming's governing body of the soul cap. a swim cap designed for natural black hair. and hammer thrower gwen barry, the daughter of an iraq war veteran who's facing calls to be removed from team usa from the maga crowd for protesting the national anthem at the olympic trials. as for sha'carri richardson, fans want to see her run in tokyo. a move on petition has already gotten nearly half a million
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signatures. joining me is bomani jones. sports journalist and host of the espn podcast "the right time." always good to talk to you. do we have the clip of sha'carri richardson on the "today" show? >> as much as i'm disappointed, i know that when i'm on the track, i represent myself, i represent a community that has shown me great support, great love and so i apologize for the sense that i need to know how to control my emotions, stating here i just say don't judge me because i am human. i'm you. i just happen to run a little faster. >> bomani, her mom had just died. she found out from a reporter. what is going on here? >> well, i mean as far as the suspension itself, it's kind of textbook and hard to get around. if you fail that test in that time when she did, these are what the consequences are.
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like it's really hard on this one. this is not one that i think the drug testing people had the luxury of being able to be like, okay, let's act like we didn't happen. that was not going to be it. to me it seemed to be an unfortunate confluence of circumstances for her, something incredibly traumatic happened to her in the time of competition, and she went to a familiar coping mechanism that happened to have consequences. i don't really feel so much that the suspension she's dealing with is her being picked on. she was about to be the star of the 100-meter dash of this. the look, everything else. she was somebody that nbc was going to put out there and get americans to watch in the olympics. i feel like everybody involved with some measure of power, i don't think there's anybody that likes this as the outcome. >> but here's the thing. the olympic committee seems like they're quite an arbitrary entity and can pretty much do whatever they want. this is a 21-year-old. my youngest child is 21. i can't imagine any of my kids being under this pressure. her mother just passed away. she finds out in an interview with a reporter. she's depressed.
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it doesn't seem like any of these athletic leagues has any interest in trying to deal with black women except in a punitive way. am i reading too much into that? >> i don't feel like this is the example of that. i think that there's certainly room for empathy for her. again, i don't think anybody -- when i hear her apology, the worst thing to me is she feels like she has to apologize to us which she does not. i haven't seen a great deal or measure of judgment. there seems to be a lot of understanding about how those things could come together and lead her to where she is. on this one in particular, things are arbitrary but not really with the drug testing policy when it comes in as a dead letter positive. once that happens, i don't know how much flexibility you have. now, you do have examples of other cases where we're talking about somebody that's just too big to fail. lance armstrong, for example, with the corrupt cycling body just threw out positive results for him. but i don't think that the argument is if you throw out lance armstrong's drug test that we've got to do it for everybody.
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>> hold on. why isn't that the argument? why isn't that the argument? what was the swimmer's name who also tested positive. brian phelps. it is arbitrary. >> michael phelps -- >> michael phelps. >> michael phelps got hit hitting a bong at a frat party and did not actually test positive and was suspended for longer than sha'carri richardson. i feel like we're trying to make comparisons and it's going into a snowball that i don't think is accurate. i think what's happening to the swim cap is just ridiculous, the idea that nobody has ever done this. y'all have been trying to keep us out of the water for hundreds of years. you don't even wanting us go into the water in the holiday inn. no, you have not seen a swim cap like that. but that and gwen barry, the you are going to have people who oppose her politics and want her to be removed. usoc said they were okay with
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that measure of protesting. so those are people aligning against people they would align against otherwise. this is a completely separate situation from each of those which is separate from one another. the common thing in life specifically is being picked on and antagonized by people. i just don't know if you tested positive right at that time if this is the one that speaks to the antagonism against black women, especially in a sport like track and field. that's out there, right? it just so happens that they're going down to a white woman. but generally speaking, it's going to be a black woman that wins the 100-meter dash. in all likelihood. this is an event that the machine has decided we can have the hundred meters. they gave up on that one a while. >> sha'carri richardson may be able to compete in the relay and may get a medal if she's allowed to do that. i have to feel and maybe because as a black woman and somebody who has to deal with black hair styles and all of the issues that we have, but the swim team, when you combine the fact that they're literally telling black
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women you cannot cover your hair in the water the way you need to to protect it, you're not able to compete. you go into attacks of the daughter of a war veteran saying you can't have a thought or belief about black lives matter. it does feel like an accumulation of arbitrary rules that are being used only against black women. it is ruining my olympics vibe, bomani, and making me not want to watch. i know a lot of people who feel that way. >> i guess to a degree i understand that. like, i can understand how it feels that way for anybody when all of these things come together but i really do think in the three cases we talk about, with gwen barry, i think her story is more interesting because there's reason to question whether or not they purposely antagonized her by playing the national anthem while she was at a medals stand at an event where they were not playing the national anthem because it's the american olympic trials. you playin' the same song every time. they said they played it every day at 5:20 but she was on the medal stand at 5:25.
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that seemed absolutely like an aggressive play against her and somebody trying to show her up. we'll never know definitively whether that was the case but that seems 100% to be the case there. so we've got this in some days. it's just hard for me to buy into that. if you can find be a counterexample of somebody else failing a marijuana test and getting to compete. i could ride with you. i don't have a counter fact that says that. >> the nigerian team they're trying to throw on. bomani jones, thank you for being on. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in," six months after the attack on democracy, new video, new arrests and new details on the investigation into the capitol insurrection. then, how america missed the biden goal of 70% vaccinations by july 4th. >> the red states probably have a lot of people that, you know, are very, very conservative in their thinking and they think, well, i don't have to do that. but they're not thinking right.


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