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how our switch squad makes it easy to switch and save hundreds. good evening, everyone. yeah, i know what time it is. we know it's 6:00 on the east coast and we've got a lot to get to in the next not one, but two hours. we begin tonight with a nation divided. on one side we have president biden calling for unity and
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championing the country's progress on beating the pandemic. >> today, all across this nation, we can say with confidence, america is coming back together. history tells us that when we stand together, when we unite in common cause, when we see ourselves not as republicans or democrats but as americans, then there's simply no limit to what we can achieve. >> and then on the other side there's florida man, still holding his maga cult rallies and spreading the big lie about the election. we're not going to play what he said, not just because it's really, frankly, sad how much of a sore loser he is, but because his claims are downright dangerous at this point. he knows exactly what he's doing, riling up his supporters, and then giving them hope that somehow he'll magically come back into office, which is never going to happen. and he's gone even further than usual in the past week, asking the menacing question, who
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killed ashli babbitt? putting the officer who shot her as she attempted to breach the doors leading to the speaker's lobby where congressional staffers were cowering in terror, putting that officer in danger. that danger has been cleared of all wrong-doing. but it's the latest lie that republicans like paul gosar are trying during congressional hearings that are supposed to be focusing on our national security. it's pretty obvious that republicans are doing everything they can to show loyalty to the mango mussolini and not to their country. it's not just the ones currently in office. "the washington post" reports republican candidates for state and federal offices are increasingly focused on the last election, running on the falsehood spread pie the florida man and his allies. but there's nothing like j.d. vance. cnn caught him deleting past
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tweets critical of trump. he told fox today i regret the tweets and regret being wrong about the guy. i think he was a good president. of course now he wants power because right now there is no republican party without trump. there's just nothing that exists without him. so americans are facing a choice between the real world where coronavirus cases are falling and the economy is bouncing back and a fantasy world on the right where the election was stolen and everything is a culture war. alexander burns of "the new york times" points out in another age, the events of this season, namely biden's success, would have been nearly certain to produce a certain shift in american politics. but these days it's hard to imagine that such a political turning point is at hand. he notes that a moment of truth appears imminent. it's one that will reveal whether the american electorate is still capable of large-scale shifts in opinion or whether the country is essentially locked into a schism for the foreseeable future with roughly 53% of americans on one side and
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47% on the other. joining me now is eugene daniels, white house correspondent for politico, susan del percio, republican strategist, and joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation. eugene, i'll start with you because you cover the white house. i wonders if they get that. i do sometimes wonder just talking to people close to the white house myself whether they're fully aware of what a schismotic country they're covering. 47% of the people think qanon is real. >> usually what i find is the people who are a bit older and have been with biden longer tend to think the country can come back together and think that unity is something that is in our reach even. even sometime this year. the younger folks are a little more cynical. these are people who were on this campaign. this may have been their first and second campaign, out there in the world talking to folks. we spent a lot of time on
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twitter and twitter is not the real world but it does show and exemplify the schism that exists. i think the white house, some people know and some people don't, but i think all of them with president biden at the very top do want this country to come back together. they talk about it a lot more than i thought they would. we're about six months in and you'd think that, okay, they stop talking about the fantasy and all love and they haven't. that is something that is at the heart of this mostly because of joe biden. so they know what's going on but i think they are hopeful that because of who joe biden is, they can overcome it. but it is, like you said, very, very difficult to see that actually happening. >> it's nice to want that. joan walsh, you wrote the book "what's the matter with white people" which i wish everyone would read. i'm sure your publisher was probably not thrilled with the title of the book but you wrote that during the obama era. the reality is there's been this fantasy out there that we could reach this age, sort of magical reckoning, racial healing. because we elected president
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obama and all we got is a backlash that's so ferocious that now 47% of the country really do think -- there are a lot of them who really think that donald trump is literally going to be magically reimposed in office in august, that it's going to happen. they think mike lindell is sane. i don't know how you fix something that an entire political party has invested themself in maintaining. >> we don't know. we never have and we never have had to but we have to now, joy. i don't know what it's going to take. i look back to that book that i wrote and, you know, i saw trump coming. but i don't think i saw it being as horrible as it is or saw it being as huge as it is in terms of there being roughly 47% -- let's just say 40, that makes me feel better. not 47%, but 40%.
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but that's more than i ever thought would be part of this kind of what i perceive as anti-american and kind of dangerous group of people that doesn't believe in democracy anymore because they no longer outnumber us. and that's sort of the bottom line of it. that's really the foundational point of how we got here. >> susan, you know, in another era in time, we call this fascism, right? when you have this absolute devotion to a singular leader, when you have this desperate need to elevate the race that's considered sort of the top dog race in the society and to hang on to their power at all cost, even violence, there's this belief that political violence is okay. there's this terrifying poll out in february that a really shocking percentage of republicans believe it's okay to use violence to overturn an election if they don't get the
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results that they want. aei took this poll. it was the american enterprise institute that took this poll and found that four in ten republicans are okay with the idea of political violence. let's talk a little bit about texas for just a moment. you remember allen west? i do. allen west was cuckoo for coke -- cocoa puffs. allen west is now in texas. he's running against greg abbott because he doesn't think far right is far enough after all greg abbott has done. he has argued islam is not a religion. he has suggested black communities were stronger and better during segregation. so he's anti-dr. king. he's called democratic handouts the most insidious form of slavery remaining in the world today. and he's viable, susan, in your party. thoughts? >> he also believes in qanon and
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succession. and here's the thing, you talked about fascism early on. really i've been looking for a new word for trumpism because i hate it and i think it goes deeper than just donald trump in the republican party. i keep coming back to the same name. it's neofascism. forget trumpism, it's neofascism. that's what the grassroots of the party looks like right now. and in some ways, in a really weird way, people who believe in democracy, you know, normal rips and democrats and independents, they should be almost happy adam west -- allen west is running. why? because he may win. if he wins, he will be a very weak challenger to whoever the democrats put up. we are seeing these really ultra right-wing candidates being put up by republican parties. and not just in texas, but in ohio and other places in these
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congressional seats. the wackiest wackies are going to win the republican primary but they're going to lose in general elections. and that may not just help democrats but it will help the republican party in a way because it will burn it down. maybe not in 2022 or 2024, but after enough losses, we can see maybe normal returning because those neofascists will be out of the party. >> or, joan, you know, and again i come back to your book. part of the premise of it is over all of these decades, people who benefited from the new deal have turned on new deal programs because they became extended to people of color. that they were for all of these new deal ideas until black and brown people started taking advantage of them and now they're not for it. the same thing happened to voting. they were all for voting by mail. when black people voted by mail, we can't have that. so i wonder if it's so clear that somebody like an allen west couldn't win in the environment republicans have created? >> oh, i think he could win a
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primary conceivably. i just can't imagine -- i mean i guess i just have too much faith in the people i know and love in texas that he cannot, you know, win. but, you know, greg abbott is such an awful conservative person. how can anybody be to the right of greg abbott. i mean that's what my mind was going around all day. where's he going for this vote? well, maybe he knows. >> we just heard today, eugene, even the governor of ohio was sending troops to the border. it's now all schtick. it's all theater. we have to show that we're going to stop the brown people. we're going to stop the blacks from voting, stop the browns from coming. it's all about this very racially nationalistic sort of movement. and i do wonder whether democrats that you talk to on the hill are prepared to fight that kind of war. because what i hear when i talk
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with democrats is we have these programs and we provided this much in infrastructure and we're going to have this kiechkd a bipartisan deal and by golly, we'll build a bridge over there and there's going to be a pothole that gets filled in over here. they sound like it's 1993 to me. i definitely don't see the sense of urgency. when i talk with people who know about fascism and how democracies deteriorate, their hair is on fire. is the white house and the dncc, are any of their hair on fire? >> sometimes. sometimes their hair is on fire. usually what i hear is exactly what you said, them focusing on the policies and what proposals they're going to put forward and this is a good bill. that's good. that's a good thing for the country that people are focusing on policy. but it does seem like there's a little bit of a disconnect. you hear all the time -- you hear from president biden and president obama that we're not
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as split as we think we are and all of that. for reporters, we're already a little bit cynical so it's hard to believe that. but when you talk to people and when you talk to lawmakers and as we've been watching since january 6th as the whitewashing of january 6th happened and they said it wasn't that bad, it was tourists that were hanging out and look at the single file line as they walked in, look at people opening the doors. when they talk about the voting restrictions that have been put forward and talk about the election being stolen, which we all know that it was not. that is a lie from donald trump. it is a different environment, right? it is not the same. that's why folks like president biden are -- folks like joe manchin, when they're talking about compromise and talking about bills, it's like this is a different senate. this is a different country. and i'm not sure even what they do about it. how could they counteract some of those things, because in the republican party, you know, it's
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about personality. that's why trump won. that's why allen west has a better chance than i think people think he does, because it's about personality. it is about the politics of contempt. who's tougher, who's stronger, who says the toughest things. and that is a lot of what's happening on the republican party side right now. even when you talk to some republicans who you would probably think would be okay with all that personality, they're not either. they're also very concerned. >> they're very concerned but what are they planning to do about it? what are they willing to do about it? >> right now nothing. they say it behind closed doors because they are so scared of that personality. they're scared that what they built and what they got from former president trump is going to swallow them whole so they feel like they're in between a rock and a hard place. we did a playbook with the chair of the republican campaign and he said he doesn't want donald trump in the primaries mucking about, he said it wouldn't be helpful.
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so he said that publicly and that is exactly what's going to happen. because just like was said a little bit ago, they're worried they're going to have those far right candidates, the marjorie taylor greenes, the allen wests win the primary and lose a lot of seats when really republicans should win in 2022 based on history. so they're worried that donald trump mucking it up is going to mess it up for them. >> i was just going to say, what's the point -- if liz cheney, i mean she's a conservative's conservative. she's speaking out. no matter how many republicans from washington speak out, it doesn't matter. they know that. they know that it does not matter if they speak out. now, whether they should do the right thing is a whole other issue. but politically speaking, they can't change it. this has seeped into the grassroots level within the states, within the counties, so much so that the folks in washington, they're there by the graces of those committees, not
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the other way around. they're not the heroes to those folks. >> joan walsh, i'm going to ask you to try to work with me, ride with me on a different course because the john birch society existed. i'm only going to age myself. i remember what the john birch society is. the john birch society seemed unstoppable when they basically ran the same trump playbook, bananas crazy conspiracy theories. the idea that the president of the united states was being captured by the communists, you know, that the drinking water had fluoride in it allowing mind control. this was a real genuine threat to the republican party in the past. and you know what, i don't like ronald reagan, but ronald reagan eventually said, yep, nope. nope. there was some hard core white supremacists at the national review who were like, nope. i don't like desegregation either, don't like the civil rights act, but no, you can't be in our party. joan, couldn't they just stand
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up and have some cajones? >> i don't think there's enough of them who have cajones or whatever it takes. i don't think there are. i don't think it's going to happen. i think we're going to watch them go down. and i really admire what susan is trying to do. i really do. and want to know more from her. >> then i'll give you the last word on this, susan, because you're in this fight. you're still a republican, right? you're still a republican. >> i am. i am. >> i talk with republicans like you all the time who say the same thing, my party is burning. it's burning like it's gone straight to hell and no one seems to have an answer as to how you pull it back. do you have ideas on how to pull it back to at least sanity where we're just fighting about tax cuts again? >> it needs to burn down. it literally needs to be demolished before you can go in and build it up again. the people who actually say please stay republican are democrats who like to say let's argue about tax policy because they know you need a strong
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republican party. right now it's not strong, but it needs -- it really does need to be burned down to the ground so it can come back up. but that also means there has to be people willing to keep their republican credentials to be there when it's time to build it up. >> but they're silent and that's not helpful. not everyone is willing to go on tv and do what you're doing tonight, susan. meanwhile, neo nazis are marching in philadelphia so that's where we are. eugene daniels, susan del percio, joan walsh, thank you very much, friends. we're just getting started on a big two-hour edition of "the reidout." there are racist marchers, talk show hosts all spreading their racist gospel right out in the open where you can see them. perfect. "the reidout" continues right after this. eidout " continues ri after this multivitam ummies. with vitamins c, d & zinc for immunity support. plus 8 b-vitamins for brain support.
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white nationalism is increasingly coursing through the veins of the american right.
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over the weekend, roughly 150 white supremacists marched in philadelphia, clashing with pedestrians and setting off smoke bombs. police said they were chanting slogans like "reclaim america" and "the election was stolen." you catch that? these modern day klansmen were chanting that the election was stolen from the former president. stephen miller, who's currently helping sue black farmers on behalf of white farmers brought them out of the shadows by parroting their talking points. talking points that they hear on fox news from tucker carlson, which in turn is magnified by social media by qanon devotees. qanon is using racist propaganda in an apparent attempt to appeal to a wider audience, specifically suburban women. i'm joined by mia.
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i'm also joined by malcolm nance, msnbc counterterrorism and intelligence analyst. mia, i want to start with you. qanon, when i first heard about it because a friend of mine has a family member who's caught up in it. i think i didn't really understand how much of it was based on not just anti-semitic tropes, racial tropes. talk a little bit about that. >> i fully expected that qanon was going to be anti-semitic because it has a global cabal and george soros or janet yellen and talks about blood drinking which are all things jews have been accused of for hundreds of years in europe. but when we started looking at save the children campaign, and i'm a supporter of save the children, the charity. so i thought, wait a second, all these children are white and all
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the save the children children are not. so we did a systematic study because i needed data to show that they were using these racist tropes that go to the period of restoration where there were stereotypes of the black person who was going to rape the white woman or kidnap the white woman. this is heart and soul of qanon. >> just to be clear for those of you who are unaware because you're living your lives and trying not to pay attention to this, qanon is basically the belief that the world is run by a cabal of pedophiles to kill chimp and drink their blood. but the person who's going to unmask this devilish conspiracy is donald trump, who can barely read a cue card and couldn't run casinos in atlantic city. but somehow he's going to break this massive cabal so that's the theory. you know, in the previous block, malcolm, i talked about the fact that if this was happening in
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any other era we'd be talking about fascism and people get uncomfortable about the global reach of all of this. we just saw these neo-nazis marching in philadelphia. and the group, other than black lives matter, which has the word "black" in it which freaks people out, i guess, the big opponent of the right is antifa, which is basically short for anti-fascists. so the people that they despise the most and think are the most dangerous are black lives matter, a plea for black people not to be murdered by police, and anti-fascists. am i unfair to say we're talking about american fascism? >> no, not at all. anyone that can see with their eyes understands what is going on here. we are in a neofascist era in person politics. back in 1939, 1940 there was a formal fascist movement which openly supported adolf hitler
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and called for american independence and isolation away from europe's war, which hitler had just invaded called the america first movement. it was championed by people like john lindhburg, the famous flyer. they had a real where george washington was juxtaposed with adolf hitler. these people were fascists. what we've seen is after world war ii when they were essentially run to the ground, there was a rise in the 1950s and '60s of these very small fascist groups that turned into terrorist groups like the christian identity movement. what we are seeing now is a merger of every white nationalist trope and group and ideology bound together by the crazy qanon conspiracy theory into an american neofascist movement led by a fascist president of the united states. look, if i were doing an
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intelligence assessment of, i don't know, hungary, i would be coming up with these exact same lines of investigation, which would be bringing us to these conclusions that there is a fascist movement not just in the united states, all over europe, which is actually funded, surprisingly, by russia in france, italy, spain. neofascist movements everywhere are out to take down american democracy. >> and, you know, the irony is if you read up on it, hitler was inspired by mussolini's original fascism, which is where it started, not in germany, but also by the united states in which americans invented the idea of coding anyone with african lineage as negro and as thus both enslavable and segregatable based on one drop of black blood. look it up, it's actually true. mia, the other piece that you get to, and i think this is
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important and scary i think in a really fundamental way because of how religious the united states is as a country. how much of this qanon movement is pushing its way into the evangelical movement and targeting evangelicals to try to recruit them? >> that's the scariest part because it's making inroads into every religion. despite the fact that it's anti-semitic, it's drawing orthodox juice, it's anti-catholic, drawing latinx catholics but the largest group is evangelicals. around 35% of evangelicals believe that there's a blood-drinking cabal. evangelicals are also a praus tiesing religion. so we are seeing a me tas sis of qanon to 85 countries. as they are spreading their tentacles to get into south or
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latin america or african-american voters in this country, i want people to know how racist qanon really is. >> malcolm, the other piece is that for this kind of a movement to take hold of a political party where the leadership seems impotent to do anything about it. mitch doesn't want to do anything about it. he's like if i'm going to get power out of this? if i am, whatever. kevin seems helpless. meanwhile there's a pull that global morning consul did where 26% of americans qualified as highly right-wing authoritarian. that's twice the share of the number two countries, canada and australia. four in ten republicans in an american enterprise institute did a poll that said political violence may be necessary. if elected leaders will not protect america, public people
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must do it myself. the guy who runs mypillow, who's a ridiculous figure, he has said on august 13th, donald trump will return to office. he will be reimposed in office, which is a qanon belief system. he also claimed there will be many down ticket senators who will have different election results. they're talking about stealing elections and trump being returned. how worried should we be about a january 6th style event somewhere in the united states when he is not reinstated, trump? >> i don't think we should really worry about the august date because as we know, these things come and go. they have had these dates before. it's the post august period that i would really be watching as a terrorism professional because donie o'sullivan did some interviews with these people and they said if trump is not reinstalled, then they're going to have to start talking civil war. i've been monitoring their communications since last december. these people are already, many of them, committed to the
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concept of overthrowing american democracy and inciting civil war. all you have to do is watch ar-15 ammunition prices which skyrocketed last year from 21 cents a bullet to almost $1.25 a bullet. many of these people think that there is an apocalypse coming. let me tie this back into qanon. i think you were rather modest in what you said qanon was. they believe that there is a global cabal of people who are eating, kidnapping and sex trafficking children who are the entire democratic party, all liberals, all progressives, and the fundamental way of dealing with them is a mass genocide of all liberals and democrats or bringing them to guantanamo or having what they call the day of the rope, which actually came from the turner diaries, the book timothy mcveigh read at the time. these people are the farthest edge of the farthest extreme and
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they are now the core identity of the republican party. the republicans tried to co-opt them in 2018. qanon co-opted them in 2020. the belief system of the republicans now, full on qanon. >> and day of the rope, speaking of that, you know what they brought to the capitol to, quote, hang mike pence? a rope. a real one. mia bloom, thank you very much. malcolm nance, thank you as always, my friend. still ahead, conservatives are trying to turn critical race theory, speaking of this whole cabal of lunacy, into a catchall label encompassing anything and everything they disagree with. we'll talk about being anti-racist, next. t, next. s an d and one we discover.
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republicans believe they have found the perfect wedge issue to take it to next year's midterms and scare white suburbanites back into their camp. critical race theory. they're co-opting the term and applying it to anything to do with anti-racism. also applying it to black intellectuals who are not even involved. i recently spoke with dr. kendi and asked if he is indeed a critical race theorist. >> i've certainly been inspired by critical race theory. i certainly admire critical race theory, but at the same time i wasn't trained on critical race theory. i didn't go to law school and so i don't necessarily identify as a critical race theorist. >> you'd have to go to law school to be one. but they don't know what it is either. but here is senator josh hawley, sort of one of the worst sort of offenders here, slamming you by name.
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>> dr. ib ram kendi wrote this. the only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. the only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. that's right, that's what he said. think about that for a moment. he's saying that he's opposed to equality under the law. dr. kendi and his followers are in no uncertain terms advocating for state-sanctioned racism. >> okay. given the fact that they can't seem to quote dr. king accurately, i'm just going to assume that they're misquoting you or giving the wrong context. can you explain what that quote, even if it's accurate, what it means? >> sure. so, joy, we recognized as a nation that elderly people were dying at the highest rates or the most vulnerable to covid-19 so we decided that it was best
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to provide vaccine to those people first. no one described that as a bad policy. but young people could have said, hey, you're discriminating against us, and we would have responded, well, older people are dying at the highest rates. should they not receive vaccine first? but if we would have then started thinking about, oh, black people are also dying at the highest rates from covid-19, maybe they should also receive -- maybe they should also receive vaccine first. maybe we should have a system in which those who have the -- those who have the greatest needs are provided with what they need, but they call that reverse discrimination. they call that discrimination. they're against that. how are we going to create equity and justice for all if we're providing the same resources to middle income people as we're providing to billionaires. >> yeah. this is the same theory under
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which they have gone after black farmers receiving benefits when they have only 14% of the land at this point. they have been stripped of their land. but they're saying white farmers need to the all the rest. all the benefits need to go to white farmers or it's reverse discrimination. they're doing that in court. stephen miller is part of that. i want to ask a couple other questions to make sure we're getting everything clear. do you believe that white americans are inherently racist? >> oh, i do not. and indeed in how to be an anti-racist, i make the case that we shouldn't believe that anyone is inherently racist or that we should identify anyone as a racist. i make the case that racist isn't a fixed category, it's a descriptive term that describes what a person is being at any given moment based on what they're doing or saying. so if a person is saying black people are lazy, they're being racist. but then the very next moment they're advocating a policy that creates justice and equity for
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all, they're being anti-racist. >> and do you know of any schools that are teaching that white americans are inherently racist? have you ever heard of any school that's teaching that anywhere? >> i haven't. and indeed i would speak out against that school if it was doing it. >> and we now know that one of the groups that is under attack from the same people who are attacking you are military, the military, particularly military generals, including the secretary of defense and the joint chiefs of staff, general milley. he's now been attacked by donald trump, matt gaetz who never served and probably wouldn't have the guts to serve for ten seconds, nor would tucker carlson, nor would laura ingraham. bill kristol has called that out as ground level fascism. he said trump voters are pro military. why are trump and carlson
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attacking the military. the attack is on woke generals, the brass, and disloyal citizens in charge. it's an attempt to -- it's a classic move from the authoritarian playbook and also from the fascist playbook. what do you make of the fact that people like trump wanted to use the military to attack black lives matter protesters, specifically. he wanted them and milley refused, they got in a cussing match, he said i'm not doing that. but that they don't believe that the military should study whether there are racists and white nationalists in the military because some of those folks attacked the capitol. what do you make of that dichotomy? >> i mean i think it's -- it's pure sort of insanity that's presented as logic. the fact of the matter is american armed forces have a white supremacist problem and the leaders have recognized that. those leaders have decided that
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the way in which you address that issue is by teaching people to be anti-racist. by teaching people to recognize the racial groups as equals. it's fascinating and we learned this year that the republican party isn't pro cop, because if they were pro cop, they would have responded differently to the capitol insurrection. certainly we're showing now they're not even pro military. these are wedges and terms and constructs they use and they lie about them just as they lie about anti-racism and critical race theory and the 1619 project. >> and your book really took off after the george floyd murder. so did robin deangelo's book, "white rage." i believe that's the name of her book. do you think that this -- that the right is using the george floyd movement and the fact that white americans saw what happened to george floyd and said, oh, my god, we need to question whether or not there is structural racism in our
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society, that that's what this is about? this is about white americans having woken up to what happened to george floyd and now the right wants to stop that? >> if you're an elected official, if you're a white elected official who has been instituting policies that have harmed the majority of white americans and all the while you've been convincing those very white americans that you're fighting for them, that you're instituting policies that help them, that you're teaching them that the cause of their pain or people of color, you're not going to want them to wake up. you're not going to want them to understand racism because then they'll see you as a problem and vote you out. >> there you go. and if you're anti-anti-racist, think about what that says what you are. ibram x. kendi, thank you for being here. up next, the crisis in haiti. a shortage of covid vaccines, a wave of violence in their
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over the weekend, tropical storm elsa brushed by haiti as it moved through the caribbean. haiti has been pummelled by hurricanes before, but a direct hit from a storm would be even more dire this year as the ap points out, a recent spike in gang violence has forced thousands of people to flee from their homes, so the civil protection agency is running low on basic items, including food and water, which could lead to a catastrophic situation the next time haiti is hit by a serious storm. covid-19 is still raging through the country with very few haitians vaccinated and gang violence keeping patients
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getting basic care. j.r., my friend, thank you for being on. you and i have been having this conversation. you've been pushing because you've been saying this story has got to get out. what is going on in haiti that americans need to understand? >> well, joy, thank you very much for having me, really appreciate it. haiti right now is in the middle of a protracted political crisis. on top of that you have massive insecurity, a constitutional crisis and a lot more going on. the gang violence has taken over. you have people that have been displaced from their home. and the people are suffering. and that needs to change. >> and what can the u.s. do? there is a long history -- we won't even go into the tour overthrow of the french that led essentially to the creation of new orleans and to the annexing
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of the entire western part of the united states because of the cheap purchase jefferson was able to make all really because of haiti and the punishment on haiti ever since meaning they have to pay reparations to france and have to pay reparations to france for the loss of those enslaved people. what kind of loss is haiti in? can a presidential election change it? and what can the u.s. be doing to help? >> haiti is in a terrible situation right now. the insecurity. there's a gasoline shortage. there's an electricity problem. and people are afraid to go out into the streets because lives are being put at risk every day. so, that's a problem. second part of your question is what can the u.s. do. well, president biden visited little haiti and promised to turn things around for haiti. i'm a firm believer the president will deliver on his promise. he does deliver on his promises. haitians want action. they want action now. unfortunately things can't go as
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fast. but for the election portion, recently the oes was down in haiti and they recommended an election to happen. that is the way to democracy. but with the current situation when you're look at covid-19, when you're looking at the resources and the insecurity there is no possible path forward for a referendum election to happen because nobody would participate. so, what the u.s. could do is help move things along and change policy towards haiti. that has to happen. >> you know and having lived in florida, whenever there's a crisis in haiti, it metastasized into a migration crisis. and the jeb bush government was challenging enough, but jeb bush at least had some sort of relationship with the people in haiti and had his favorite candidates with folks who run for president. now we're dealing with desantis, which has taken the trump line, a very anti-immigrant, antimigrant line.
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what kind of crisis would we be seeing if ron desantis ends up deal being a migration crisis in the state of florida? >> it would be a tremendous crisis. it would be monumental proportions. back in the '80s there was a problem with migration havoc. we are on the precipice of seeing that return, where people are going to risk their lives, jump on ships and try to reach u.s. soils or they're going to go through central america and do the trek all the way up to the border to try to get in. the reason that is happening is because the life conditions of haitians are not sustainable. these people are simply looking for a better opportunity, an opportunity that their government has failed to deliver. and one of the biggest reasons is corruption. and haiti, whoever the next president -- i understand the president just nominated his seventh or eighth prime minister just a few hours ago. anticorruption law is the first
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step to begin the process, the rehabilitation process. and then the united states must work the haitian government to stabilize the trade imbalance deficit. haiti doesn't need rice, doesn't need coffee, doesn't need peanuts. all that stuff is produced in haiti. >> but vaccines would be nice. and i hope that the biden administration or someone from it is taking a listen. sending vaccines there would be helpful and helpful with the political situation there. we will stay on top of this story. really appreciate it. we have a big second hour of the reid out. we get ready to mark six months since the capitol was charged. trump appeared to admit to charges in his business. plus outrage over the suspension of sha'carri richardson just weeks before the olympic games she's been training for all her life. don't go anywhere. g for all her life don't go anywhere.
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good evening, everyone. we begin the second hour of the reedout tonight with a grim kmem raegs. tomorrow marks six months since the insurrection. the day donald trump incited a mob onto our capitol, hunting for the vice president and the speaker of the house, intended to capture and assassinate elected officials. they built a gallows and chanted "hang mike pence." this also means we are six months into a vast republican undertaking to gaslight the american people into memory holding what went down on that horrible day, a day president joe biden has described as the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war. we've heard republicans down play and even flat out deny the violence that left five people


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