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good evening, and welcome to "politics nation" on this july 4th, independence day. tonight's lead, from its founding, right now, i'm thinking about patriotism, what it means, and who gets to lay claim to it. because, as nancy pelosi's select committee takes shape to investigate the january 6th insurrection with only one republican of conscience and a black congressman from mississippi in the lead, who will join me shortly, by the way, i'm disturbed. less by the thuggery of the insurrection, and more by cowardice of the republican lawmakers who refuse to prosecute it as we would with any other attack on our soil.
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of course, there isn't much incentive as the top republican in the house is reported to have threatened his caucus with career sabotage if they should choose to participate but at a symbolic level, it sends a distinct message to black america this july 4th as nearly half of our federal legislators now overlook a mob with racists violating our people's house. and more than 100 of them voted last week to keep memorials to dead confederates in that house for generations to come. it's a message we have seen contended with since 1776, the idea that white separatists as still just as patriotic, if not more, than black soldiers and public servants. all that shortly, with the best
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guest possible. and we're keeping an eye on the white house south lawn, where the president will hold a july 4th event in just a couple of hours celebrating essential workers and what he calls independence from covid. meanwhile, the former commander in chief is just desperate to make fireworks. >> ladies and gentlemen, thomas jefferson is being removed from the jefferson memorial and being replaced with the reverend al sharpton. >> yeah. more on that. but first, joining me now, the chair of the panel who will be investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol, mississippi democratic congressman bennie thompson. he's also the chairman of the homeland security committee. congressman thompson, let me
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start with, we are especially fortunate to have you here with us tonight. and you are now leading this house select committee to investigation the insurrection. do you anticipate that any republicans other than currently congresswoman liz cheney, will cross the aisle and participate in this investigation after house minority leader kevin mccarthy is reported to have threatened his caucus with demotion should they do so? it's hard not to read that as fear, congressman, but i will let you explain why this has become so partisan. >> well, thank you, rev. i hope leader mccarthy takes the chains off and allow republicans to participate in this select committee. as you know, the insurrectionists came to the capitol on january 6th. they wasn't looking for just democrats or black people. they were looking for republicans, white people,
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everybody. so i think it's in his collective interest as well as his country's interest, for republicans to participate. now, he doesn't have to put those republicans who demonstrated that they don't have sound judgment on the committee. and that's why i support in this legislation that speaker pelosi has ultimate decision-making authority as to what individuals will sit on this select committee. >> and as you say, they didn't come looking for just democrats or people of color on january 6th. in fact, according to reports that i am sure your committee -- or your panel will come back to evidence to substantiate it, but according to reports and videos, they were threatening the life of the republican vice president on january 6th. >> absolutely. you know, this is some -- a
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moment in time that this select committee has to investigate all the facts and circumstances around january 6th. what we have to do is see what systems failed. we want to know why the military didn't respond in quicker time. we want to know why the capitol police was not quadly equipped or staffed to address what went on. we want to failures, then we want to recommend the corrective action to guarantee that it never will happen again. we have a lot of work before us. we have a lot of testimony to take. we have a lot of intelligence to gather. but, you know, just about every day we learn something new about what happened on january 6th. i look forward to hiring the best investigators that money can buy to make sure that we
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protect and preserve this great democracy of ours. if we don't, then those same people who tried to take this government down on january 6th will come back and try it again. >> let me go to another subject. in his first public appearance since the trump organization was hit with criminal charges this week, donald trump complained that democrats and yours truly were trying to tear down his understanding of history. i'm not someone who puts his name or likeness on everything he can. i leave that to others. but donald trump is no longer in office. but for those sitting republicans in congress who last month voted overwhelmingly in favor of a federal juneteenth holiday, why did so many of them vote last week to keep confederate statues in our u.s. capitol?
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>> well, the unfortunately thing, rev, is that some of them get easily intimidated. i think when the senate made the move on juneteenth, it kind of locked the house in place to do the same thing. but when the house had the opportunity to provide the leadership necessary and the independence, they failed. i'm glad that we approved it. for my home state, the two people that rent represent my state, one was president of the confederacy. jefferson davis. the other one was a general who was a slave holder who was terrible. we are a better country than that. those individuals should not be placed in the united states capitol where they are in prominent positions where everyone can see them because these were people who tried to divide the nation. so i am excited that house
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democratic leadership moved forward to get this done with a few republicans, not many. but, you know, progress is a challenge any where, as you know. but i'm firmly convinced with the leadership we have in washington we will mitigate a lot these circumstances and donald trump can go on on these speeches, he can lie about what happens with the legislation. but you know, i think bloomberg said it best when he said that he knows a con when he sees one. and so much of what donald trump talks about on a daily basis is patently untrue. absolutely untrue. >> let me ask you a follow-up on that. will you subpoena trump to testify before your january 6th
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fanl? >> i will tell you this. we will follow the facts, rev rend. if the facts based on the investigation that we will have lead us to any individual who is complicit in what happened on january 6th, absolutely, we will do it. i won't say it with him, but i will say it if it is a member of congress, if it is anyone else. our job is to investigate any and all circumstances and facts surrounding january 6th. and we will do just that. we will not be shrieking violence, we will get to what happened. we have the protect this country of ours. for a moment, we were the laughing stock of the entire world. when you would see people with confederate flaflags, with noos out on the field -- this is not who we are. but if we don't step up like we are doing with this select committee, they will come back. >> yeah. >> you know, there is a rumor
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that they are coming back in august. but i can guarantee you it won't happen -- the results won't be the same, because the capitol police and everybody understand what's at risk. unfortunately, we will do some testimony, rev, on this, and we are going to bring the capitol police -- you know, they have never -- the rank and file capitol police have yet to testify before a congressional committee. they have had their top people, but they didn't have the people who are out there fighting those crazy folk. we need to hear from them about their training. we need to hear about what kind of equipment they had. all that. so we can show them, but we want to talk about the staff that worked in the restaurant, the staff that worked cleaning the capitol. all of us were at risk. it wasn't just a select few. but everybody who worked in that
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building on that day potentially could have lost their life. >> we are going to be looking forward to it. just so i'm clear, you are going to follow the evidence. you are not ruling out the possibility of subpoenaing donald trump? >> absolutely not ruling not subpoenaing anyone. >> all right. >> if anybody knows anything about me, i am not one who is barbful. i will do what's right. >> you and i have known each other a long time. you have never been accused of that. thank you congressman bennie thompson. happy fourth of july to you. joining me now, senator bob casey, democrat of pennsylvania. senator casey, happy to have you here tonight. let me go right into it, as the big lie appears to be coming to your state, this week we learned that the republican majority state senate is now considering an audit of the 2020 general
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election results in pennsylvania. after prominent republicans visited arizona last month to oversee its audit, which turned up nothing. your response to the lie that won't die? >> rev rend -- start with the word you just made reference to. they are talking about an audit. someone came up with a better word a few weeks ago. fraud-it, it's a fraud. there is no question when you talk about what they are trying to do -- [ indiscernible ] -- i was a state auditor general for eight years in pens pen. this is not an audit. it is an attempt to mislead the american people based upon a lie. and they are not going to get away with it. >> now, senator, on three key democratic primary --
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priorities, voting rights, police reform, and infrastructure senate democrats either face a wall or lowered expectations. the president's infrastructure appears to have a future, but hr-1 was blocked, and the floyd act is stalled. and additional voting rights legislation faces similar prospects. what will it take for democrats to advance these bills? >> well, there is no question that we've got a difficult agenda ahead of us. the problem right now is that you don't have a republican party that's working with us in any way to advance change for the american people. whether it is change in the area of criminal justice and police reform, or whether it's the change in law to protect our voting rights that a lot of states are trying to take away. so without republican help of any kind, very limited help, if any, we have got to make sure
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that we closely examine -- and i think take action -- to change the -- so you don't have the 60-blockh vote blockade which is impeding progress. whether it is voting rights, police reform, or parts of notice of -- you know i want do a lot on care giving in this country, whether it is quality affordable child care -- [ indiscernible ] -- if we are going to make progress we can't allow some archean rule of the senate to thwart our progress. we have got to take action. that means, i believing changing the senate rules. >> changing the senate rules. let me ask you this quickly before we run out of time. yesterday with my msnbc colleague ali velshi, you said that this flood of voter suppression bills coming from gop state lawmakers are, quote, about white supremacy.
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i appreciate that bold language and wonder if you can explain again for our audience what you meant. coming off a disappointing supreme court decision on voting rights last week, what did you mean by that? >> reverend al, you know the history better than i do in terms of what american history . it was all about racism and white supremacy. some people want to believe we are beyond that today. group of as reverend warnock said on the senate floor -- he said, some people don't want some people to vote. i think what he meant was the -- americans that are very angry that joe biden is president. they know that american voters and other communities of color helped elect and may have been the decisive reason that joe biden is president. and that kamala harris is vice president. those same americans are angry
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that reverend warnock -- [ indiscernible ] they are angry because they know that black voters led us to victory. they are trying to suppress the votes of black americans. simple as that. i think anyone who denies that is denying reality. >> all right. senator bob casey, thank you for being with us. coming up, "politics nation," frederick douglass once made a famous speech about the fourth of july. and we are still asking ourselves today, what, to the slave, is this holiday? i havein today's rise up. but first, today's other top news stories. joe. >> thanks rev. stories we are watching this hour. the pashlcally collapsed champlain towers complex in surfside florida could come down
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later tonight. that's according to two sources close to the search and rescue efforts. crews are making preparations for the demolition and monitoring tropical storm elsa, which is tracking toward the area. 24 people are confirmed dead. and 121 are still missing as a result of the building collapse. pope francis has checked into a hospital in rome for scheduled intestinal surgery. the pope was seen greeting the public in st. peter's square earlier in keeping with his sunday tradition and told the crowd he was planning to visit hungary and slovakia in suspect. visitors to the capitol can once again walk all the way up to the north lawn fence in front white house. the secret service has removed a series of block aids blocking off the area. they were put in place last summer following demonstrations in lafayette square to protest the death of george floyd. more "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton after the break. l sharpton after the break.
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for this fourth of july rise up, i want to talk about the meaning of american independence day. and while many of us are returning to normal today, perhaps gathering again with family and friends, i have to take a moment to reflect on the sheer strangeness of the last four independence day celebrations. our former president refusaled in the trappings of patriotism embracing the flag while skewing the ideas it represents. he put his own need for attention at the center the celebrations each year, demanding weapons of war be brought in for his own aggrandizement, and last year orchestrating thousands of americans while a pandemic raged due in part to his own
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incompetence. even while constantly surrounded by red, white, and blue, that man never bothered to learn the real history of this nation regarding deliberately ignorant regarding some of its most historical figures. >> frederick douglass is an example of someone who has done an amazing job who is being recognized more and more i noticed. >> he was rightly mocked as it portrayed the depth of his historical ignorance surrounding one of the greatest americans who ever lived. frederick douglass of course was a renowned abolitionist who escaped american slavery at the age of 21 and went on to become an unparalleled writer, orator and driver of social change. he gave one of the most well-known speeches ever given on independence day in a speech
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entitled what to the slave is the fourth of july. douglass forced his audience to recognize the hospital accuracy of the occasion. douglass's genius was in not shying away from the inherent tricks in the american story. this nation was founded on the ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, words that have echoed through the centuries as the rallying cry of freedom. but words that all the same were penned by a man who held his fellow human beings in bondage, and ratified by men occupying stolen lands. and while american slavery was abolished within douglasa's life time his own words still
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reverberate as powerfully as jeffersons, because we still have lessons to learn from them. douglass encouraged his audience to stands by the principles of the declaration of independence against all foes at whatever cost. just as frederick douglass once fought for abolition towards the most imperative step toward fulfillment of the american promise, so, too, must we fight for liberty and justice for all. generations of americans have fought at home and abroad to ensure that we can safely celebrate this independence day. it is those untold thousands who make this country worth celebrating from the very first american patriots who served in the revolutionary war, to frederick douglass and his abolitionists contemporaries to the thousands of activists and freedom fighters who have spent centuries fighting to make the
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it's fourth of july, and what better way to celebrate than to talk some politics? i'm joined by my panel, democratic strategist a timma omara and former republican congressman and now an msnbc political contributor, david jolly. atimma, i noted in the previous segment that the fourth of july feels very different than the
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past four. later this evening, president biden will be holding an event at the white house not focused on military hardware or self aggrandizement, but instead, celebrating america's independence from covid-19. and we see in a new poll that nearly two thirds of americans approve of the president's handling of the pandemic. isn't this the most important measure of this new administration's success, considering all the pain and sorrow we've suffered over the past year and a half due to the coronavirus? >> yeah. absolutely, reverend. i think one of the things that i have always thought about in 2020 is that if trump had not mishandled this pandemic he might have been reelected. but the man that showed up on the purported call with bob woodward -- and gone on had press briefings on tv
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talking about the importance of masking, the importance of what you can do to protect yourself against covid, yeah, hundreds of thousands of individuals would not have died. millions more would not have been infected and our economy would have been in much better shape. biden based his campaign largely around that, which was how can we get through covid, get people back to work, bring down the infection rate? and that sense of normalcy, a little bit of it, this new normal that we are in, how can we get to that? and he has been quite successful with that, close to getting 70% of people almost vaccinated. he can't get to the rest of the -- without keeping us successfully on this road to recovery, especially if new variants are on the horizon. >> former trump used his independence day event in sarasota florida to address the criminal charges filds this week against his family business and one of his most trusted
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executives. >> never before has new york city and their prosecutors or perhaps any prosecutors criminally charged a company or a person for fringe benefits. fringe benefits. murders? okay. human trafficking? no problem. but fringe benefits, you can't do that. >> now, this is same strategy we have seen from trump over and over, attack the prosecutors, and down play the charges. would it work for him again, either as a legal matter or politically, dave? >> politically, sure, right, because today's republican party is defined by white grievance politics. that's exactly what you heard last night. that's exactly what donald trump will tin to peddel. as a legal strategy, though, it doesn't matter what he said last night. for prosecutors to bring charges in new york, they had to identify a pattern of behavior that showed an intend the evade taxes. this is not a simple mistake.
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we all make mistakes on taxes, and tax bureaus do not throw you in jail or bring criminal charges for that. you have an audit, you have pen its. to bring criminal charges it suggests prosecutors identified a pattern of misconduct, an intent, an intent to evade taxes. that is a serious criminal charge for which the trump organization and weisselberg will have to ultimately stand trial unless weisselberg realizes he's all on his own and it makes sense for him to cop a plea. >> something else i noticed from trump's speech last night is that i am still living rent-free in the president's head. take a listen. >> ladies and gentlemen, thomas jefferson is being removed from the jefferson memorial and being replaced with the reverend al sharpton.
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i don't think so. no. well, nobody would have a problem with that. >> now, i should note, this isn't a new line. he used a different version of this that was a bit more about me several times in his lead-up to the 2020 election. in fact, a lot of his material in the trump post presidential speeches have been just recycled applause lines from the past. does this seem to you like a man who is serious about mounting a political comeback? or just someone trying to cash in on what is left of his fame with o lines and targeted names that he knows will get a rile up from his right-wing audience? >> yeah, i definitely think of this as one of those right-wing audience follow-ups. you and others like you -- i was surprised he didn't mention one
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of the others because usually when he mentioned left is going to take away a statue it isually a black woman of power that he is scared of. the fact that he is now ig throwing you in you are doing a good job of absolutely getting under his skin. clearly it worked for his audience. he is probably going to use the name often. it is a compliment of the work that you do. >> let's wrap up this july 4th discussion with observations on the state of our democracy. pugh released its gold standard analysis of the 2020 election this week which, according to the "new york times," found that while many democrats had hoped to overwhelm mr. trump with a surge in turnout among yun and non-white voters, the new data confirms that neither candidate claimed a decisive advantage in the highest turn-out election since 1900. republicans in 2021 have responded to those results by
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continuing to rile up their most extreme supporters while using the law and courts to suppress minority voters in new and unfrankly unprecedented ways. are you concerned about where they are weeded? and how can we turn things around? >> yeah, i'm -- i am, rev, look. young voters just registering today are inheriting the greatest country the face of the earth. it is a country deeply flawed. we know it was founded on a racist narrative where one race owned another. the laws, the constitution were written to protect that race that wanted to continue to per pet rate sovereignty over another. so today is a day where we reflect on our independence. but we reflect on the fact that the work of independence, of liberty, of justice is never done. and i think this chapter coming out of the trump years defines exactly that challenge that we face ahead. yun voters are being gifted a
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remarkable, a wonderful nation, that provides opportunities for everybody. but it's not without its flaws. and it is up to these new voters to increase their participation to accept what they are being invested with, and to make it better for generations to come. >> a timma, your thoughts on the fourth of july? >> my thoughts on the fourth of july is that, you know, quite frankly, i think it is a lot of block voters who worked very hard in michigan, pennsylvania, and georgia to make it possible not only to get biden elected but also so that we have a democratic congress that would enable him to be able to pass a much more ambitious agenda than if the senate was coursing him to power share. on this fourth of july, i really hope that we renew our commitment, all of us, to getting involved in politics and voting and fighting against voter suppression.
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because for me, especially as a black woman, the daughter of immigrants, myself, i think often about the importance of democracy in america actually living up to its ideals that were laid on paper in 176. >> thank you both for abouting with us. coming up, new legislation could eliminate harsh penalties for drug sentences. i will explain next. with relapsing forms of ms... there's a lot to deal with. not just unpredictable relapses. all these other things too. it can all add up. kesimpta is a once-monthly at-home injection... that may help you put these rms challenges in their place. kesimpta was proven superior at reducing the rate of relapses, active lesions, and slowing disability progression vs aubagio. don't take kesimpta if you have hepatitis b, and tell your doctor if you have had it, as it could come back. kesimpta can cause serious side effects, including infections. while no cases of pml were reported in rms
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welcome back to "politics nation." mass incarceration has reached a crisis point in this country, with more than 40% of federal prisoners being incarceratesed for drug-related offenses. and while the bureau of prisons does not break out that number into categories of drugs, we do know that under current law, possession or sale of crack cocaine carries a much longer sentence than powder cocaine even though both forms of the drug are highly addictive and impact the brain the same way. there is a bill currently under consideration and backed by the biden administration that would eliminate those sentencing disparities for good. joining me now is harley harris, president and executive director of the justice network. let's start off with the racial
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implications of a bill like this because in 1994, when it was first raised, i, national action network and others, marched against this bill. according to the naacp, black and white folks use drugs at the same rates, but black people are almost six times more likely to be sent to prison for it. what would a bill like this do to mitigate that kind of disparity? >> well, the equal act, which has strong bipartisan support, it is sponsored by senators portland and booker and durbin and has now been joined by senator rand paul from my home commonwealth of kentucky would completely eliminate the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine. and i want to take us back a little bit. we are coming up on the 50-year anniversary of the war on drugs. it was 50 years ago this summer that president nixon called drug abuse public enemy number one.
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we have been weaponizing our justice system against sick people and disadvantaged skmunts and communities of color ever since. in 1986 after the tragic death of the basketball player lynn bias. >> right. >> congress passed a bill that created a 100-1 sentencing disparity between crack cocaine offenses and powder cocaine offenses. we have been making progress in reducing that disparity. and the equal act would fully and finally eliminate it altogether. >> there have been tens of thousands of people that have been unfairly, in my opinion, disproportionately incarcerated for decades under that law. let me turn to marijuana. in a dissenting opinion this week, one of the supreme court's most conservative justices, clarence thomas, wrote that the current federal marijuana ban, quote, may no longer be
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necessary or proper to support the federal government's piecemeal approach. now, do you expect to see movement on federal marijuana laws? and where thousands of people currently incarcerat marijuana-related charges? >> i will share something with you that i think will blow your mind then president trump were about this close to supporting removing marijuana from the schedule one altogether and placing marijuana regulation squarely within the jurisdiction of the states. >> wow. >> i know in my own commonwealth of kentucky, and this was several years ago, 65% of our voters wanted to legalize recreational marijuana, not medicinal marijuana, recreational marijuana. so i think this is one of those areas where the beltway is really out of touch with what is
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happening in a lot of these members' backyards. again, i just think voters no longer want to litigate the war on drugs. they want people who have addiction issues to get treatment. you know, throwing people behind bars just makes for better criminals rather than better citizens. >> attorney general merrick garland has halted all federal executions pending a justice department review of trump-era policies. the trump administration executed 13 people in this last month, including several during the transition period breaking a sentry-old precedent. president biden is vocally against the death penalty. what do you expect to happen next, holly? >> look, the moratorium is fine. but reverend given the universe of badly needed criminal justice reforms, it's not nearly enough. in fact, there is 4,000 individuals right now who are currently on home confine men, who were safely moved to home
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confinement from federal prison during the covid pandemic. those 4,000 individuals may have to go back to federal prison if president biden doesn't act soon. one of those individuals is a 74-year-old grandmother by the name of gwen levi, this a case that has had awareness raised about. she went to computer class and she haase now been deemed an escapee buy the bureau of prisons. not only do they want to send her back to prison, they want to lengthen they are sentence. it is crazy. i think this is the greatest crisis before the biden administration right now. and moi hope is that a.g. garland and friends like gupta and monaco serving with him over at the department of justice will recommend full clemency for these roughly 4,000 individuals as soon as possible. >> now, justice garland has been active in some of the areas of
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civil rights and voting rights. he's no comparison to his predecessor. and a lot of us in the civil rights community have been pushing, but he has so far dealt with voting rights, dealt with other issues. is it the hope that you and others of us have that the federal government will continue and even more aggressively intervene in where these states are out of touch with where we feel what is fair for all of the citizens of this country? >> reverend, as you know, we have been fighting this battle for years, for formerly incarcerated people. people who have been tagged with felony convictions. i think there is a real misperception that individuals who serve time or who have a felony record are this monolithic group and they are all just going to vote democratic or they are going to be liberal voters. but their views and beliefs are just as diverse as the rest of
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us. so i think, you know, this issue has been very politicized. and instead of thinking about it in terms of partisan politics we need to think about what strengthens our democracy. especially on july 4th. >> holly harris, thank you for being with thinking of what strengthens our democracy. especially on july fourth. >> thank you for your thoughts. stay with us. fourth. >> thank you for your thoughts stay with us dive dyskinesia. and it can seem like that's all people see. some meds for mental health can cause abnormal dopamine signaling in the brain. while how it works is not fully understood, ingrezza is thought to reduce that signaling. ingrezza is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with td movements in the face and body. people taking ingrezza can stay on their current dose of most mental health meds. don't take ingrezza if you're allergic to any of its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including sleepiness. don't drive, operate heavy machinery, or do other dangerous activities until you know how ingrezza affects you.
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on this fourth of july, one of the things that i am happy to see is this country begin to have the highest level of government become more diversified. we have elected the first woman and first black woman as vice president of the united states. even though this week i saw some media reports of all kinds of rumors of dissension in the staff and what was going on at the white house, nothing of what i dug into it was true.
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but i suspect they're going to attack vice president harris just like they did president obama, because they're trying to adjust to seeing a strong black woman at that level. and i think that we must look at things not based on they're attacking what she may run on for the future but for how well she's doing right now. also this week i received a call from the family of hunter britt. he was a white unarmed teenager, 17-year-old boy, who was killed following a traffic stop in the early morning hours of june 23rd in arkansas. the deputy involved in the case was fired by the county sheriff for a policy violation because the officer's camera was turned off at the time of the deadly shooting, again, of an unarmed 17-year-old young man on a traffic stop. the fact the cameras was off was against the sheriff's specific
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directions for the department. but that community and that family has rallied for justice for this matter in an investigation. they hired local attorneys and brought in attorney ben crump, and on tuesday they asked me to come in and give the eulogy at his funeral. i am proud to be there, because this has never been just about black and white, it's about right and wrong. blacks may disproportionately suffer from there, but whites marched for george floyd and breonna taylor and others, and we must bigger than the forces we pose and stand together for what's right. we may not glee on politics, but we agree that police need not get away with shooting unarmed people. that does it for me. thanks for watching and have a happy fourth of july weekend. i'll see you back here next weekend at 5:00 p.m. eastern.
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