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collapsed building, as tropical storm winds head toward the area. >> as soon as the preparation is ready, the site is secure, the team is ready to go, we will begin the demolition. also, pope francis hospitalized for surgery, in an announcement that surprised many vatican watchers. i'll speak with john torres about the risks of the procedure he is undergoing. big and political news, donald trump emerging to speak for the first time about the indictment of his company and cfo. it sounded an awful lot like a confession. >> they go after hard-working people for not paying taxes on a company car, or a company apartment. coming up, wee going to look at a strategy that amounts to
legal schmegal. it's not -- >> are you repared to subpoena the former president of the united states? >> i am prepared to subpoena anyone who is identified, based on the facts and circumstances behind january 6th. and while his predecessor fights the law and congress, president biden is hoping to use the july 4th message to tout his responsible, and we're going to have that story ahead. we are, thereon, following that new information coming out of surfside, florida, two sources close to the search-and-rescue efforts is telling us the demolition will likely happen sunday night. we have to bring in alison barber and kit miyamoto.
alison, i to start with you. what i >> reporter: two sources close to the surge-and-rescue efforts tell me this will likely take place this evening. i have been cautioned by one of those sources that this is a very fluid situation, and things can change, but they say that the majority of the rigging done in order to bring this bell down that almost all of it was completed this morning. we expect a proceeds difference this evening at 6:00. when they bring this building down, thee do it with a process known as energetic felling. how that was explained earlier,
essentially they go in and try to strategically place some small debt nations devices, small areas to detonate, then they rely on gravity to bring this building down on the footprint. so what should happen when this takes place is the building should really fall where it stands and that would limit damages or the building falling into other areas where they don't want that debris to go. there is an ongoing search-and-rescue effort that's been paused, but crews are standing by. as soon as what's remained of this building is demolished, thee go back onto the mound and start searching. so, again, a fluid situation. we have seen how quickly things can change, but what we're being told is the remaining part of this building, it would likely be demolish this evening. yasmin?
>> ellison barber, thank you. kit, it being at nighttime, is that unusual? >> well, most definitely. an unusual fact is they will probably record-setting depth implosion plan. they'll probably start doing this on a thursday, and three, four, days after. usually it takes many efforts. -- by the charges and bring down implosion. it takes a lot of effort, but those guys are very competent. i know they're working 24/7 t get to this thing. without it, it's affecting the rescue operation quite a bit. this building is very fragile. they could have access to many
areas they need to go. not only is the hurricane threatening the building, but this, must be done. >> does it worry you? i know you said these are dependable folks. they've been working 24/7. nonetheless it's been a quick preparation. does that worry you? >> most definitely. there's always rink, but rescue workers cannot access most of the debris sites. because they have to get to this, but they cannot take the risk to expose their lives too much, so those are so-called risk, and risk that they analyze that, but you think they're going to do fine, though. i really do. >> what could go wrong with the demolition on such a sensitive site? >> i think because they didn't have enough preparation time,
because many indications you analyze a structure like that, also do certainly personal demolition of a certain area to make things go all the way down, but because there's not enough time, they have to make a certain adjustment based on the experiences. i know they also tried to bring the west side, which is away from the piles, the debris where potential survivors exist. >> there's two things going on here, right? tonight we have likely the demolition of this building in surfside. we also have tropical storm elsa, kit. at what point is it safe for folks to resume rescue and recovery? >> well, this hurricanes -- i mean tropical storm itself could
impact the structural stability of the remaining structure, and also the pile debris itself. additional water, additional rain, additional wind, which was a force for that building itself, so that needs to be taken out. that's why this has to come down to protect essential the debris, which is -- so that's the important part of it, and protect the rescue workers. this is definitely challenging, fast operation, no question about it, but i think they are taking every step possible to have the saved for everyone. >> ellison barber, i know you'll stay on this for us. if we have any developments, please bring it back. >> kit mitayamo.
thank you. claudio la vaughnia, and dr. john torres is with us. claudio, i want to start with you. bring us up to date on what we know. >> all we know is what we've been told by the vatican, the three lines taking everybody by surprise after he delivered his sunday prayer in front of the pilgrims here behind me. two hours later, they said the pole has been taken to the hospital for the divert particular stenosis. we didn't know anything about that condition or that the pope was several from that condition. what we know about the health concerns is he had a couple problems, one was sciatica, giving him movement problems,
especially when we walks up and down stairs, and he's had to cancel some events, and the other problem he had since he was 20 years old. he had a lung infection and had to have part of a lung removed, but certainly that hasn't stopped him for all these years. we haven't had an update of the operation, if it's going, or if it's ended. the vatican haus promised to keep us updated. >> dr. torres, talk me through this, symptomatic diver particular stenosis of the colon. what does it mean exactly? >> his colon is not works, divertic lars disease, when it
gets weak, it gets pouches that come out on the outside. they're about marble-shaped. if they get infected or start inflaming, then the opening of the colon stars -- starts narrowing down, and once that happens they can get an obstruction. what they typically do, it's a scheduled procedure, so they cause it coming on. he must have been having 134 complications or issues. they scheduled the surgeon ripped of the it's a colon resection, so they take out that part of the colon and reconnect the ends of the colon, and essentially works normal. for most people it's a common surgery, it happens often around the world. he's 84 years old, so there could be complications. >> talk to me about that, the risks.
the risks are basically across all age levels, but even more so. he's only had one other surgery in his life, so he's a very healthy 84-year-old. at the same time the risks are usually infection after surgery, but also healing time is shoulder since he's 84 years old more longer term the is scarring. that in and of itself can cause obstructions, too. so that's something they'd have to watch for. my guess is they're going to keep him longer than they otherwise would, but maybe not in the hospital more than a few days, maybe a week at the most. >> claudio, what do we know about the facilities and high look likely he'll be in the hospital? >> yasmin, he's been taken to
the hospital where essentially all the popes in the past have been taken to when he needed surgery, including john paul ii, where he was taken in 1981, where there was an assassination attempt. popes have always relied on the gemali hospital. so he's there right now on the tenth floor of the hospital, specifically we've been told. we don't know how long he will stay in the hospital and how long he will need to recover. what i can tell you, what we know is -- we need to read between the lines today during his prayer, he's looking forward to an upcoming trip in september to hung gary and more.
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welcome back. now that the trump organization has been indicted, many are wondering if donald trump himself will face charges in the future. today i asked that question to jennifer weisselberg. >> do i think he will? yeah, absolutely, they all will, the family and the officers, yes. >> allen didn't do it behind his back. they did it together. >> she said set provided seven boxes of documents and electronics reports, and she says she's willing to tell a jury everything he knows. i want to bring in one of two federal prosecutors, gwen kirshner. and dan, i'm going to start with you on this one.
>> she's probably right. the only thing that people need to remember, though, is the prosecutors have to prove it. yes, it's highly unlikely that all of this happened without donald trump being aware of it, or whichever of the kids were at the helm being aware of it. but that's not enough. we just don't know yet, but she's right, it's almost certainly true. >> she was also pretty confident this was not the end, this was really just the beginning for what was to come. in your experience, do you agree with that? >> i do agree with that, particularly since i know what they're actually looking at is much broader than the tax
charges which are quite serious, but they are looking at a form larger investigation. we know there's a lot of predication out there no michael cohen's testimony and other places. it doesn't mean there will be more charges, but it's likely they're looking for a broader set of charges. these are strong charges by themselves. perhaps mr. weisselberg will fight them, he's unlikely to win, but there's more p.r. and political spin by others. >> i had rebecca on, and i asked her as to whether or not she felt, maybe not she said to me
we should be more cautious. i think back to the arthur andersen -- >> i they we're having some audio issues with glen, so we'll try to get him back. daniel, the same question that i just gave to glen, which is should we be more cautious when it comes to the end of the trump organization? one of the things i posed to rebecca is that it seems like the trump organization owes so much money, and even borrowing that money, it's going to be tough. >> she's a very smart law professor. i don't think we know enough in the public domain to say this is
it, this is a death nell for the corporation. i think glen was going to remind us of the arthur andersen case where the government sought a conviction and the company went under. that was a personal services corporation, where they lost faith in the company. there is big reasons for them to be worried about this, right? i think there's two main ones. one is, what are their creditors going to say, well, you got indicted, do we want to continue our relationship? i think the lenders will likely stick it ute, because -- and something raised a few days ago is there are covenants in some of these lone agreements, promises that the borrower makes to keep accurate books and record, there i would imagine
some of these lenders are saying there are the charges of falsifying records, let us exercise our right to audit. that starts to get sticky for them. it doesn't mean they're going to call the loans now or the company is going into bankruptcy tomorrow, but it is a reason for them to be very, very careful with how they proceed in the next few weeks. >> glen, do we have you back? >> yes. i lope it's not because of what i was saying. [ laughter ] >> cut him off! no. the former president last night seemed as at the he acknowledged these tax schemes nonetheless, could that work against him?
>> it could, his every word, his you have tweet, every press release is a potential admission against penal interest under the rules of evidence, it can all be used against him when and if he is charged. when you hear him say, these 360,000 that went to allen weisselberg to pay for tuition, nobody can possibly know if you have to pay taxes on that kind of compensation for your work. >> i would venture to guess everybody knows if you guess $360,000 from your employer's compensation, you're going to have to pay taxes. he's preaching to the gullible at these rallies, but none of
that will fly in a court of law. >> go ahead, daniel, please. >> i was just going to say none of the people at the rally are new york city residents, right? one thing every new york city resident nose we get taxed 3% to 4% for living here. allen weisselberg was living in new york city and not paying taxes. that's pretty clear-cut for a new york city jury. i tell you that. the barricades are down at the white house. the president is set so host the first large gathering, a fourth of july barbecue. with the delta and low vaccine rates, is it too soon? >> we're going to survive. today we celebrate our independence day. y we celebrater independence day when you buy this tea at walmart, walmart can buy more tea from milo's.
welcome back. , sources close to the search and rescue, is the demolition will likely impact sunday evening. the storm is currently approaching cuba. michelle grossman, good to see you once again. talk us through this. when are we likely to see this tropical storm hit? >> yasmin, you can see -- this decision was made, because we're going to start seeing the impacts as early as tomorrow morning into tuesday. this is the latest, though, on elsa 40 miles south-southeast of cuba. it did weaken a bit, and it's moving alternates slow you to the northwest, and then what's going to happen tonight.
it's going to move over cuba. this is really going to determine the future of elsa. we did -- it breaks up the 120r78 and then will emerge into the gulf of mexico. so probably still a fairly strong tropical storm. you notice the marker around the key west to tuesday at 8:00 a.m. the impact of the storm will start well before that. surfside can expect those as early as 7:00 a.m. so monday, tuesday, clearing on wednesday. landfall for the storm we expect right around the tampa area sometime tuesday night into wednesday, so certainly watching that. we do have some alerts that are posted in parts of key west. weapon a tropical alert and tropical alert for into naples. we're going to be watching that, too, for the next several days.
heavy rain for cuba and jamaica. certainly tomorrow as it approaches the keys we'll seat the surf becoming rough by tuesday, strengthening in the gulf. it's really warm, so it's going to soak up the energy. so let's focus on this. if you look toward the eastern side, you notice the winds are going to be less. so key west, 57-mile-per-hour wind gusts, 33 in naples, 38 in tampa. miami 35. now, you know, that's still a lot of wind for that area. also with rain anywhere from 2 to 4 inches. yasmin, this is going to be a tough day for many. it's heartbreaking, painstaking,
even if the most perfect weather you add in wind, perrine, also the chance of isolated tornadoes. i think that's why they're making that decision. so the president will make it prison of the way the president is handling it. this is coming as the president and vice president have spent the majority of the weekend promoting that america is back and better, ready for life after covid. anne gearen, covering politics for "the washington post," and msnbc contributor for this. is biden's message being heard. having personally received one dose of the coronavirus, 60% of
folks polled say yes. 38% say no. >> yeah, yasmin, the white house is missing the target it set for itself by today of having 70% of the country, at least one dose in. they're not missing it by much. some measures say we're at 64%, some say 67%. the expectations is that that 70% threshold will be reached by the end of this month. however, you know, there's a lot of warning signs that the white house is well aware of. the percentage of people who say that they don't plan to get vaccinated at all is above 20% of the country. that's, you know, pretty remarkable. in some cases people will -- some part of that group will end of getting vaccinated most likely, because it may become a
requirement for them to continue their employment, to, you know, have kids in school. there may be some external reasons that some percentage of that group is essentially forced to get vaccinated, but the resistance is high. the white house has not done as good a job as it hoped to. clearly as good a job as it should have in per sueding people across the country not just in big cities, not just on the coasts, that they need to get vaccinated for the good of the whole country. the partisan split, man, white house. 94% of democrats saying yes, they approve of what the president is doing. 8% say yes, republicans.
>> yes. that couldn't be more stark. actually it sort of makes the 6 in 10 number for overall approval rating seem all the more remarkable, really. if his overall approval rating is slow low among republicans, i think the white house is pointing to his success rate on the handling the vaccine as a real bright spot, but he's on his way back to the white house. he may be arriving just now. they're going to have 1,000 people on the south lawn today as a real symbolic mark of independence from this virus. independence day party, an end to the pandemic. the white house admits frearsly that the pandemic is actually not over. anne geargearen, thank you.
>> thank you. former president trump has been spending the weekend repeating his false claims about the election. last night he told the supporters the radical left rigs the election. on thursday, the supreme court upheld that no absentee ballots cannot be collected by anyone by caregivers or relatives. that is a this morning jim clyburn told cnn -- the way congress can ensure a fair election is to eliminate the filibuster on certain issues. >> we need to get rid of the filibuster for constitutional issues, just as we have done for budget issues. if you want to argue about how high a wall ought to be or whether or not to build a wall, those are issues that are political, and let's have the
filibuster, so long as it's extended debate, but we ought not to be filibustering things like people's voting rights. >> not all democrats support the change of the filibuster, so in light of the supreme court ruling, what can be done to protect votes? elena beverly, thank you for joining us. >> i great with him. right now on this fourth of july, what hef bernd from last week, is that other coequal branches of government are failing noirlt voters and not protecting our constitutional rights. so while the supreme court did strike directly at voting access for voters of color, particularly first americans, those on native reservations and latino voters in arizona, the
court also struck at section 2 of the voting rights act. that is the remaining force that we have as minority voters to protect against voting procedures and practices that would have a discriminatory purpose or discriminatory effect, and make it more difficult for us to vote at this point we need congress to act and we need to move away from these members who were protect the filibuster which has a streak of being used to protect anti -- legislation, and to prevent civil rights legislation we need voting standards includes for the people act and the john lewis voting. but then there's this. the supreme court's decision
have help to narrow, if not close off as pernicious a democrat sick other than hoping with time both senators will change their minds what do you do you make of that? >> i think certainly the democrats are in a tough position. one way to get around that is to ensure we increase the majority in the mid terms, in the house and expand it in the senate in order to ensure we have the numbers, we have the vote to pass these large-said, constitutionally protected pieces of elects like for the people act right now, you're right, there is some hoping
again all the hypothat manchin will change his mind. or perhaps they can take down the number of filibusters to 55, and so on. so we can move forward on these constitutionally protected rights. the failsafe measures to ensure that voters turn out in such numbers that we increase or majority after the mid terms. we know that the department of justice is dedicated to championing or voting right. wherever these crop their heads up with the supreme court not willing to stand up, it is going
to be an uphill battle for the department of justice to exert its enforcement power. >> i just want to read a portion of samuel alito's majority decision. he write this is. the meter fat there's in disparity in impact does not necessarily mean a system is equally open. >> wow, how callous is that? >> yeah. thank you. the end of u.s. troops in afghanistan after the break, tim coupo with his powerful perspective in serving in that war. we'll be right back. cte in servt war. we'll be right back. [ screaming ] oh my gosh! it's so real! it's so real! yee-haw! go left! go left! i'm gonna go where navigation says. [ screaming ]
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47,000 civilians are did i. i want to bring in tim kudo on this. i appreciate you joining us. i fought in afghanistan my war ended backe in to 11. i was in peak fill shape, a college degree, had a half year of saved paycheck and would receive an honorable discharge. i was free to do whatever i wanted, but i could not bring myself to do anything, tim. why? what was that like upon your return and the assimilation? >> i think the challenge was one day i was in in afternoon. 24 hours later, i was home, there was no break, no transition. i got back home. i was reconciling i think with
what a lot of americans are about to reconcile with, there was no second chances. it was difficult to deal with. a few weeks after i got back, osama bin laden was captured. the americans cheering in front of the grounds and the white house, i had just come back from a very different war made a huge disconnect for me. >> another piece that i want to read. i had written a letter on the eve of my deemployment in case i was killed. that's the last evidence i have of who i was before the war and why i fought. the first paragraph reads, it was worth it. then it continue being honor, duty and patriotism before closing with a final farewell and request for burial. at arlington. was it worth it, tim? >> you know, it's a question that i wrestled with for many
years now, for about a decade now. i think i have come to the conclusion that it's not worth it, not anymore. when i go back to the period, thinking about what i wanted my family and friends to come away with, i wanted to comfort them in some way. when i look at the decade of war we have come from, how do you tell a gold stair family or afghan family that their children were killed for nothing. nobody wants to do that. i think that's the reason it's taken so long for us to accept we lost this war. >> what would be the u.s. legacy after the war in afghanistan? >> i think it would be a lot of broken promise to say afghans. i sat there, as many american marines, soldier, sailors did, we promised or afghan partners we would stay. we told the afghan people if they helped, trusted us, we would build wells and schools. they had to take that risk to stand up to the taliban, and it
would be okay. ultimately, you know, we're not going to do that. as tragic as that, i feel there was no alternative. there was no way to win. there is no way to win. we used to call it in the marine corps, being the solution. >> what do you say to young marines wanting to sign up now, especially when you look back on the letter you wrote? >> i think that, you know, young people ask me this a lot b should i sign up, enlist, become an officer? what is it worth it, not only in the sense of afghanistan, but in the experience itself. i would say you need to go in it with clear eyes. when we talk about sacrifice of military members, people see irtd as a service, i think they will be at it in terms of risking your life, being away from your family, the danger. but it is often a moral sacrifice not only in the
perspective of the lives that you kill and the people you are unable to save, also that you are unable to go back to the person you were before the military. sometimes wars are necessary, there is evil in the world we have to confront. the tragedy is that when young people go to fight them, they don't come back the same. they should go into that clear-eyed. >> tim kudo. thank you for the service you provided this country, and all of us. we'll be right back. all of us. we'll be right back. and one we discover. one that's been tamed and one that's forever wild. but freedom means you don't have to choose just one adventure. ♪ ♪ you get both. introducing the wildly civilized all-new 3-row jeep grand cherokee l. ♪ ♪ all-new 3-row jeep grand cherokee l.
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welcome back. today the fourth of july we celebrate in a way our independence from covid. for a year and a half we have been living in a state of permanent lockdown not knowing what the future would look like. i remember at the beginning of lockdown in march talking about when life would return to normal, making redictions, weeks, months, years? turns out one year later life is beginning to feel better, more regular, more normal. here we are on the fourth of july dipping our toe in the pool once again n. a way not wearing a mask feels weird, shaking a hand or hugging is offputting. i am a believer in things happening for a reason. i don't know why this pandemic has happened with so many countless lives lost but i recognize a now found appreciation among friends and families, in my reporting a new
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good evening, and welcome to "politics nation" on this july 4th, independence day. tonight's lead, from its founding, right now, i'm thinking about patriotism, what it means, and who gets to lay claim to it. because, as nancy pelosi's select committee takes shape to investigate the january 6th insurrection with only one republican of conscience and a black congressman from mississippi in the lead, who will join me shortly, by the way, i'm disturbed. less by the thuggery of the insurrection, and more by cowardice of the republican lawmakers who refuse to prosecute it as we would with any other