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today. don't go anywhere. we have more on the way. the january 6th select committee is about to start digging into how the capitol insurrection happened. i'm going to be joined by two members of the committee, the chair congressman thompson and pete aguilar. i will ask them whether they are going to use their subpoena power on the 45th president of the united states. the next hour begins right now. good morning. happy 4th of july. as many of us prepare for cookouts and safe gatherings, let's look at where we were one year ago today. covid-19 was raging out of control. hundreds of people were dying every day. the president, who had quaintly only been impeached once by then, didn't care about that. instead, held a party in the midst of a pandemic. while at mount rushmore in south dakota, the president did what
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he does best, fan the flames of culture wars in a very dark speech. he attacked liberals and warned of a left wing cultural revolution that was attempting to erase and rewrite u.s. history, which is ironic, because mount rushmore is an example of history having been rewritten in stone. on top of those lies about history, he also lied about the coronavirus. he claimed it was, quote, completely harmless. completely harmless. he said this to a largely maskless crowd where the cdc recommended six feet of social distancing. you can see that was ignored by the crowd. by a governor who called mask mandates and covid restrictions an affront to civil liberties. he co-opted the day the nation celebrates independence and made it about what divides us. one year later and the situation couldn't be more different. in a departure from the former president's hail-filled speech last year, president biden spent
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part of the 4th of july weekend in michigan where he pitched his immigration and infrastructure plans while touring a cherry farm. he went to get ice cream because that is biden's predictable quirk. today, white house is expected to host a party for over 1,000 first responders and military personnel. america has fallen shy of biden's goal to have 70% of the country vaccinated, at least one shot, by independence day. they are touting a 90% drop in covid-related hospitalizations and deaths since he took office in january. the cdc says 67% of americans over the age of 18 have received at least one shot, about 58% are now fully vaccinated. lately, the rate of vaccinations has slowed. here is why that shouldn't surprise you. like we mentioned before, the former virus denier in chief spent most of last year downplaying the seriousness. in addition to the expected
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pockets of vaccine skepticism and hesitancy, many of the former guy's own supporters feel they don't need it or they don't trust the vaccine. a new abc news "washington post" poll reveals 47% of republicans say they aren't likely to get vaccinated compared to 6% of democrats. the poll finds a lower rate of vaccinations in regions dominated by the gop. while about 75% of people in the northeast say that they have received at least one shot and 62% of those in the west say the same, the number drops to the 50s when it comes to the south and midwest. even though he is out of office, trump's america is alive and thriving. supporters of the guy who claimed democrats were trying to rewrite history are trying to rewrite the narrative about the january 6th insurrection which was based on a lie about the outcome of the election. republican leadership is spending its time fighting to make sure we never get to the bottom of the capitol
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insurrection with kevin mccarthy going so far as to threaten to strip republican members of their other committee assignments if they accept an offer to serve on the house select committee to investigate january 6, simply because the offer comes from the democratic house speaker nancy pelosi. that is where we begin this morning. joining me now is the democratic representative bennie thompson of mississippi, he is the chair of the house homeland security committee. he is -- this week he was named the lead of the january 6th house select committee to investigate that event. congressman thompson, good to see you. thank you for joining us this morning. wasn't to ask you whether you are worried about starting this committee and its investigation with the lack of cooperation from republican house leader kevin mccarthy. >> not at all. we will do our work. we have a quorum based on
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hr-503. we can do our work. we would love to have leader mccarthy give us five republicans to populate the committee. but if he chooses not to, we will go forward. we can't afford not to address what occurred on january 6th. we will look at it. we will go where the facts lead us. we will make the public aware of exactly what happened. >> congressman, i covered many of the protests last year. many of them in person. all of them remotely at least. there are some colleagues of yours on the republican side who believe that antifa had a role in this. will you touch on this? >> we will do what the scope of our charge is as a committee. it says look at the facts and circumstances around january 6. if the facts and circumstances say blm or antifa participated
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in what went on on january 6, we will look at it. if the facts and circumstances say they did not, we won't look at it. >> what will you do if mccarthy does populate the five seats and gives you people like marjorie taylor greene or others who sort of deny what happened on january 6 or call it a tourist visit or say these other things, will you take them? >> well, for the good of this democracy, i hope he does not. those individuals you talked about have demonstrated that all they want to do is throw bombs and tear government down. we are trying to strengthen our democracy by addressing what occurred on january 6. the structure of the document that we approved gives the speaker the final authority for approval of who comes to the committee. i hope leader mccarthy negotiates with speaker pelosi and comes with some reasonable patriots who want to go forward and fix this situation that
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occurred on january 6. every time i look at video of what occurred, i'm very concerned. we came very close to losing this citadel of democracy that we are so proud of when a crowd breaks into the capitol and say they want to kill the vice president, they want to kill the speaker. i was in that capitol on that day. it was a horrendous day. we can't afford to have people acting like they did on january 6. i'm humbled by the fact that speaker pelosi asked me to chair this committee. as you know, i also chair the homeland secure committee. i have significant background on a lot of things that go on in this country and around the world. but i never in my wildest dreams would have believed that what occurred on january 6 would happen in the united states
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capitol. so we have to fix it. we have a good team of members assembled already. as you know, liz cheney is one of the individuals who is on the committee. she's a wonderful member of congress. i look forward to working with her and my committee, the homeland security committee, it's a bipartisan committee. we wanted more bipartisan committees in congress because we want to get it done. when crazy folk like those who showed up on january 6 -- they don't care whether you are republican or democrat or independent. they just want to hurt you. those kinds of individuals we have to protect our citizens and our democracy from. >> representative thompson, in a moment, i will speak to representative bacon. he voted in favor of the january 6 commission because he thought there was something worth investigating. what would your words be to him and others like him on the other side of the aisle who clearly
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think there's something worth investigating, don't want it to be partisan, what can you do to have -- to reach out a hand and say, let's do this together? >> i assured him that what we do with this january 6 commission, select committee, it will be bipartisan. we will make sure we do everything consistent with the rules and regulations. as you know, i negotiated the commission deal that we thought everyone agreed with. at the last minute, leader mccarthy pulled the rug out from everything when he went over to the senate. the senate failed to approve it. so we gave the 100% bipartisan effort with the commission. it failed. we cannot fail the people of the united states. that's why speaker pelosi put together this select committee. we have to make sure that what
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occurred on january 6 never, ever happens again in the united states of america. >> are you prepared to subpoena the former president of the united states? >> i am prepared to subpoena anyone who is identified based on the facts and circumstances behind january 6. >> chairman thompson, thank you for being with us. bennie thompson of mississippi is the lead of the january 6 house select committee. i would like to bring in don bacon of nebraska. representative bacon, i want to start by thanking you for your service to our country. welcome to the show. don bacon is a republican. you heard what i said to bennie thompson and he was saying to you. i'm intrigued. you did support the january 6 commission idea but not the committee.
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why? >> first of all, i respect chairman thompson. i think he is a good man. i think he is going to do a fair -- try to be objective, i believe. i did support the bipartisan commission. it was 50/50 membership, it had an expiration, time line. i do think what happened on january 6 was terrible. i denounced the behavior. folks who do it should be held accountable. i couldn't vote for a mission that speaker pelosi gets eight members, republicans get five members. she says she has veto authority over anybody the republicans pick. that's going too far. i don't trust that she will try to make it a bipartisan effort. yes, did i support the bipartisan commission. i thought it was a fair deal that chairman thompson came up with. i thought we should acknowledge that. >> do you acknowledge that liz
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cheney being there makes it bipartisan? >> you know, it is from a party perspective. clearly, her views are already, i think, baked when it comes to the president's role. i would say this. i think the whole thing should be looked at. it's more than just what the president's role was here. security fell apart that day. i do think he would should look at what happened. why did -- security was so unprepared. i was there that morning. we knew there was going to be a half million people. some were going to be angry. when i talked to the capitol police, they said, we're ready, we have reinforcements. clearly, in hindsight, they did not. i do think there should be an objective look at what -- there was no reinforcements. they were requested. what happened? >> i'm with you.
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the security issue is something that this committee should look into. i want to ask you -- i want to talk to you about this. we will have to come back. i want to switch. i want to talk about afghanistan. we will have most troops out of there by the end of august, possibly earlier. we will leave 1,000 behind. for those 1,000 american troops in a country that is poised to be taken over by the taliban, that's got to be the most dangerous assignment of the last 20 years and we are leaving behind interpreters. you have been a veteran. you know what role the other people play. what do we do to not leave a bunch of people who might get butchered by the taliban for helping americans? >> first, i would like to point out, i was critical of the previous administration on this plan. i'm critical of the current administration of this plan. we have a very small level of troops in afghanistan. 5% of what we used to have,
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frankly. that small presence ensure the taliban couldn't take over kabul. pulling them out, we are seeing the taliban double in the territory it controls in two months. it doesn't look promising in the months forward. then we have the interpreters. 18,000 afghans who served with our military. they got a target on their back with the taliban. the taliban will go door to door and hunt them down and kill them and their families. we should have had a plan already to get them out. i'm not just blaming the current administration. the previous one, too, wanted to do a quick withdrawal. i warned them that you can't just leave these 18,000. right now what i see is they have a hope. but it's not a strategy. it's not a plan. we have to have a plan to get these 18,000 out. right now, the administration is saying, we have hope that other countries will take them in while we work on the visas.
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hope is not a strategy. they should have had this already determined and figured out two or three months ago when they announced this retreat out of afghanistan. i see a huge disaster on the horizon in afghanistan. if the taliban take back over, they are still allied with al qaeda. what if they get a safe haven again? we are back to 9/11 days. it will cost us more blood and more treasure to go back. we were better off with a small presence there and sustaining that small presence, in my view. >> you and a number of your colleagues, republican and democrat, have taken a strong stand on protecting those people who helped us in those 20 years, no matter what you thought about what the 20 years were about and why we should have or shouldn't have been there and what it cost. what we can't do is leave people behind who are going to be harmed because they were involved with us.
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representative bacon, i would like to have you back. we have other things to talk about. we thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. happy independence day. >> and to you. republican representative don bacon of nebraska. the trump-stacked supreme court guts the voting rights act of 1965. what that means for the attack on voting rights and how it could come to a state near you in time for 2022. we await the demolition of what remains of the champlain towers south. we will head to surfside in a few minutes. this is "velshi." s "velshi. ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service. ♪
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committee that our oath to the constitution, our duty, our dedication to the rule of law and peaceful transfer of power has to come above any concern about partisanship or politics. >> unlike most republicans, liz cheney, a conservative who is not becoming a liberal, understands the stakes and need to investigate the january 6th attack on the united states capitol and what it means to put country and her own political future over a political party. joining me is another lawmaker assigned to the january 6 committee, democratic representative pete aguilar of california. he is a member of the appropriations committee and vice-chair of the house democratic congress. thank you for joining us. it is a conservative talking point that mccarthy has been putting forward that somehow liz cheney has become one of you. she's a liberal. she's a nancy pelosi partisan.
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there can't be anything further from the truth. liz cheney shares nothing in common with your politics. she's a law and order republican, which is why she thinks this needs to be investigated. she sees this as a breach of law and order. >> 100%. liz chene above all else, like us, is the constitution. a pursuit of the truth of what happened on january 6. it's kind of hard to be lectured by kevin mccarthy, especially on independence day here when he is dolling out repercussions to his conference for their -- if they accept a position on the commission. we appreciate the work that liz cheney has done. she's going to be value added to the commission. >> what do you do about this problem?
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you are waiting for kevin mccarthy to suggest, discuss with nancy pelosi some members. it could really be useful if you had five republican members who wanted to discuss it. i was talking to representative bacon. he didn't vote in favor of the committee, but he did vote in favor of the commission. part of his concern is he wants it to be as bipartisan as possible. this becomes this never ending circle. they want it to be bipartisan but they don't think it's bipartisan so they won't participate but they want it to be bipartisan. there's zero reason for this to be partisan at all. those insurrectionists came for you all. >> they did. i was on the house floor. my experiences and the experiences of our colleagues are very different. it's just -- it's difficult when mitch mcconnell on the other side of the capitol is asking his caucus to do him a personal
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favor by voting down the bipartisan commission that chairman thompson and ranking member katko negotiated. i didn't hear a lot of screamin that was wrong. it's now on us to move forward with the commission and to just make sure that we seek the truth and we follow the facts. so that's what we plan to do. we have a quorum of the committee constituted. so we're going to start having conversations and building staff. we're not going to wait for kevin mccarthy to take the temperature of his conference before he does anything. we're going to proceed. and we're going to start our work. >> there are several things that that work involves. what was donald trump's role? what was the military's role?
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was there enough preparation to the point that nancy pelosi was asking with respect to the commission on security? was there enough preparation? don bacon was talking about looking into that. is there any reason you wouldn't look into all of those things? >> there's no reason we wouldn't look into those. those are the questions that we should be asking. the response by the capitol police that day. were they trained and equipped for that? what led up to those decisions that were made on staffing levels as well as you mentioned who funded those activities for those insurrectionists? those are all reasonable questions to ask. we're not presupposing any answer. we just want to continue to seek the truth and follow the facts wherever they take us. >> representative aguilar, thank you for joining us. a member of the january 6 house
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yet another building near the site of the condo collapse in surfside, florida, has been evacuated. the fire department responded to a public service call last night and inspector flagged a damaged floor. they are racing to demolish what's left of the champlain south tower. they would rather bring the building down themselves than leave the unstable structure vulnerable to a storm with high
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winds. vaughan hillyard is on the ground in surfside. what do we know about this demolition and how this whole mission is bracing for this upcoming storm? >> reporter: yeah, the decision to bring down the rest of this 12-story unsturdy building was made just yesterday, which speeds up this process, this demolition process. they brought in an outside firm, a contractor, controlled demolition incorporated which has experience taking down these sorts of buildings. they took down the old trump plaza in atlantic city earlier this year. this is a very sped up process. they intend to have the building down by at least tomorrow morning. that's before tropical storm elsa makes landfall. we could see winds from 20 to 60 miles per hour depending which path the storm takes. we do not know the exact hour they are planning to demolish the building. they are saying the contractor is waiting, working through this
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process to give that all clear. ultimately, this comes down to the mayor's decision. there are families that are concerned about this decision. there are 121 still unaccounted for. i want to let everybody hear from pablo rodriguez, a gentleman whose mom is missing but also his grandmother. just two of the 121. take a listen. >> now you are going to drop a third tower on her. if there was anything to recover, my biggest fear is that now there's really not going to be anything to recover. we're never really going to have anything to even be able to do a proper burial, to try to work towards some kind of closure. >> reporter: pablo said he and his wife are struggling on how to talk to their 6-year-old son about this. the 6-year-old son just yesterday said he wanted to face time his grandma. yet, the images are tough for not only his son to grapple with for him and his wife to grapple
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with. the plan is they are going to place a tarp over the existing rubble. essentially, when that -- the rest of the building comes down, they will be able to more easily sort and move across that new material in order to get back to that existing rubble where they can continue on and more quickly resume their search and rescue mission, which has been on a halt since 4:00 yesterday afternoon, shortly after the decision was made to demolish that building. >> vaughan, thanks. vaughan hillyard in surfside, florida. our coverage of the demolition in surfside will continue all day, including on the sunday show with jonathan capehart. you are going to have a conversation about the future of policing and reform with one of minnesota's top elected officials, including the state's attorney general. i'm looking forward to that. >> yeah. thanks a lot. good morning.
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i'm coming to you from minneapolis. we will be following the latest developments in florida. yep, i'm here in minneapolis this morning. i had a chance to talk to minnesota's attorney general about a lot of things, including why it's taking so long -- why he thinks it's taking so long to pass the george floyd justice if policing act. i talked to george floyd's girlfriend. i asked both what america meets to them on this 4th of july. they had some very compelling answers. a lot to cover on this sunday show this morning. >> i'm looking forward to it. catch the show 20 minutes from now. the supreme court ruled on a number of cases that could have huge consequences, including handing arizona conseratives a win by upholding two controversial state voting laws. we will dig into it next. laws. we will dig into it next
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ballot access. it makes sure no absentee ballots can be collected by anyone other than a family member or a caregiver. the second law disenfranchises voters if they mistakenly cast their ballot from the wrong precinct. justice alito admitted that laws like this might actually impact minority voters, but because they don't appear to be implicitly designed to do so, it's okay. quote, to the extent that minority and non-minority groups differ with respect to employment, wealth and education, even neutral regulations, no matter how crafted, may well result in some predictable disparities in rates of voting and non-compliance with voting rules. but the mere fact that there is some disparity and impact does not necessarily mean a system is not equally open or that it does not give everyone an equal opportunity to vote. critics say this decision takes
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aim at the heart of what's left of the voting rights act. justice kagan wrote in her dissent, what is tragic here is that the court has yet again rewritten in order to weaken a statue that stands out as a monument to america's greatest and protects against its base impulses. two of my favorites. fatima, thank you for being with us. kagan continued to say, never before has a statute done more to advance the nation's highest ideals. few laws are more vital in the current moment. in the last decade, this court has treated no statute worse. she's talking about the voting rights act. some people say there's little teeth left in this act. >> you know, her dissent was talking about not only this decision but also the fact that
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it comes on the heels of the shelby county case, where the court took out section 5. she noted really the project of democracy in this country, it is so intertwined with our ability to have a non-discrimination mandate. racial equality, gender equality, those are core to our democracy. the voting rights act is a special, special law. and blowing it up in this way is bad for all of us. >> jeff, there was an npr/pbs poll done which says by a 56% to 41% margin, making sure everyone who wants to vote can do so is a bigger concern than making sure that no one who is ineligible votes. this is key to this whole thing. this concept of voter fraud and people who are not supposed to
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vote voting has not been found to be existent on a major scale. it has become a rallying cry to say it's important we keep the voting system safe. others say, it's really important everybody who is eligible under the constitution to vote can vote. >> that's exactly right. this is coming on the heels of repeated efforts by the supreme court to narrow opportunities that congress created. first congress held in 1980 you have to prove discriminatory intent. congress reversed that in 1982 and said that discriminatory affects in voting should be illegal. the supreme court struck down the part of the voting rights act that required you to get approval before you could change your voting laws. the only part left was this section 2 of the voting rights act. justice kagan in her important dissent said that any time that minority members of one race have less opportunities to
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participate in politics, it's illegal. when it makes it harder for members of one racial group than others to cast ballots, it should be illegal. the majority made up, according to justice kagan, all of the extra burdens, the size of the burden, the degree to which a voting rule departs from previous practice. justice kagan said, that's not what congress intended. as a result, congress' efforts to forbid efforts to suppress the vote that aren't explicit in their racially discriminatory intent can't be stopped. >> this is the interesting part about this. the explicit. a lot of people have pointed out in the last couple of years, as we have been talking about jim crow laws and things like that, is that only -- unless you deal with dumb people writing these laws -- which sometimes we were. but when we are not, they make a point of not being explicit. whether it's about racial minorities. whether it's about women. whether it's now about transgender people or gay people, very rarely does someone write it in as this law is
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designed to disenfranchise this group. >> yeah. that's not the way discrimination shows up in our laws most of the time. so what it means is that it will be harder to prove discrimination. it will be easier for states to get away with it. we already saw this last session, states racing to change their laws to make it harder for people of color in this country to vote. we will see that happen again in '22, in an escalated way. the supreme court basically invited that. they invited that and acknowledged that these laws would have an affect on the ability of people of color to vote in this country. >> both of you stand by for a second. we have more to discuss after the break. you are watching "velshi." we'll be right back. hi." we'll be right back.
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we're back, talking about the latest supreme court rulings. another major ruling has to do with discrimination against lgbtq americans. the supreme court declined to take up the appeal of a washington state florist who refused to provide her services for a same-sex couple getting married. dodging the case allows the state court ruling against the florist to stand. it is another instance of the supreme court refusing to intervene in cases of perceived
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freedoms. president and c.e.o. of the constitution center. jeff, you and i talked about this a few times. what's this about? i think a lot of people aren't really registering why the supreme court does take some cases, refuses to deliver an opinion in other is cas. what's the message from the supreme court as it relates to religious freedoms and gay rights? >> the message is that the court does not want to wade into this issue squarely. we just saw a few weeks ago a unanimous decision about the religious liberty rights of catholic charities where the court narrowly said that they could not deal with gay couples who wanted to adopt kids, but that there was not going to be a broader right about the balance between individuals who wanted exemptions from antidiscrimination laws and those who didn't. remember, the court ducked this question a few terms ago in the baker case that we all remember, and now the court is saying, hey, we just came up with a narrow ruling.
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we're not ready to say more, and you're going to have to wait a little bit longer before we give you our clear rule about this important question. >> fatima, more broadly, the court this session, what does it say? this is an unusual session. it's the first time we had a supreme court, a good strong conservative majority. a supreme court justice who was nominated in the midst of some remarkable controversy just days before the election. what's your sense of what this court has delivered and what we need to think about for the future in terms of things that will affect the lives of americans? >> well, we have to be reminded every day that we now have a conservative majority on the supreme court, with justice kavanaugh really at the ideological center. and the way we think about this term and the coming terms as critical issues continue to come before the court, it really matters. what makes me most nervous about where we are in terms of this court is we're in a situation
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where they either decide very little and very narrowly like the lgbtq fulton case that was just described, the case involving the cheerleader who used profanity about her school on snapchat. those cases didn't decide very much. we're deciding very little or we're in this ball game like the voting rights cases. that is really disturbing, and so that happened very, very quickly over the last year, and it should inform how we think about the term ahead. >> let's talk about the composition of the court, jeff. you recently had a conversation with justice breyer. when asked about it in interviews, he doesn't like to answer the question whether he thinks he might retire to enable joe biden to nominate someone in his place so that the court does not end up with a more conservative. how do you approach this, how
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will this go down given you've spent time writing about rbg who everybody respects but few wonder whether she should have stepped down earlier? >> well, justice breyer said a few months agoe should view the court like politicians in robes and he certainly isn't going to be pressured to retire ahead of schedule. i wouldn't be surprised if he retires next week. i think he is sensitive to the broader context. we'll have to wait and see. the main message justice breyer is sending, he's joining chief justice roberts in these terms, narrow unanimous decisions. he thinks consensus as possible. there is unanimity. next term involves incredibly important cases like abortion and second amendment and
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affirmative action. we may be seeing more of a polarized court next term than we did this one. >> that's definitely not the answer i expected, jeff rosen, fatima. he wouldn't be surprised if justice breyer retires much sooner than expected. i don't want to expect it because he doesn't give clues. >> he definitely doesn't give clues, but justice o'connor stepped down after the term ended, so we are not sure yet, and i'm just focused at this point on preparing for the big cases that jeff mentioned. >> thanks to both of you. what a great conversation. fatima got graves is president and c.e.o. of the national women's law center. jeff rosen is the president and c.e.o. of the national constitution center. two great people to finish off this show with. that does it for me. thank you for watching velshi. catch me next saturday and sunday morning 8:00 to 10:00 eastern and "the sunday show" with my partner jonathan capehart starts right now.
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happy birthday, america, and my mother-in-law jan. we have a lot to talk about today. first, the relatively good news, covid. thanks to vaccines, we're busting out with parades and fireworks. now here's the really bad news. our democracy is under assault with truth being attacked and voting rights being suppressed. plus, i'm coming to you from minneapolis where i sat down with minnesota attorney general keith ellison who tells me why it's taking so long to pass the george floyd justice in policing act. >> i'm hearing that as the protest energy has dissipated, the level of urgency has dissipated. >> and i talked with george floyd's girlfriend courtney ross. >> it's going to take some work for me to celebrate this country again, to be honest. >> i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show."
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we have a lot to cover this sunday morning. we are closely monitoring the situation at the collapsed condo building in surfside, florida. officials are expected to begin demolition on the remainder of the building later today or tomorrow. the plans for the demolition were accelerated because of tropical storm elsa approaching the area. so far the death toll stands at 24, with at least 121 people still unaccounted for. we are expecting an update from florida officials in the next hour, and we'll bring it to you live. but first today, america celebrates its independence day, but the state of the country is not looking anything like the democratic ideals upon which it was founded. the supreme court voted this week to uphold two arizona laws that would make it harder for people of color to access the

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