tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC July 2, 2021 12:00am-1:00am PDT
goodnight. >> tonight on a limb. >> without access to the ballot box people are not in a position to protect any other rights that are important to them. >> he rules even more of the voting rights act making it harder to vote than, i'm honored to be on this committee we have an obligation to have a thorough sober investigation of what happened leading up to january 6th. >> we now know who will investigate the insurrection as a new documentary revealed just
as much we don't know. one of the select committee members jamie raskin joins me tonight. plus, the 15 count criminal indictment against trump's business and his chief financial officer. and as climate change gets cut from the infrastructure bill, and lobbies reveals just who he is talking to. >> joe manchin, i went to his office every week he is the king maker and he's not shy about changing the thing. >> when all in starts now. starts now. >> good evening from new york i'm chris hayes it has been a very very news day on this july 1st, lots of moving pieces. today has shown above all else, i think the big takeaway, would unifies the american riot in this moment and why it is so dangerous. although we should start with
one of the big headlines which is among disunity among republicans. liz cheney, conservative royalty, superconservative, has one fault in the eyes of her fellow conservatives that she states the obvious truth he lied about it lied about using it and made a mob attacked the capital. because congresswoman cheney is not willing to lie about those simple facts, just those. a light that has become the party line she was run out of congressional leadership at the instruction of donald trump. kevin mccarthy may remember a call to the white house begging trump to call off his thugs only to be told, according to multiple reports, well kevin, i less at -- i guess they love their country more than you do. it's a good thing the mob didn't beat him to death. now that cheney has accepted a
spot on the committee investigating what happened on that day. mccarthy as trump stooge is threatening her other committee assignments which of course, while of course, claiming that he is not. >> i'm not making any threats about committee assignments, as you know if a person is a republican they get their republican committees in the republican conference. for someone to accept them from the speaker, that's unprecedented. i was shocked that she would accept something from speaker pelosi. because i didn't hear from her i thought that maybe she just was closer to her and not to us. >> the idea that liz cheney is closer to pelosi or kevin mccarthy is ridiculous, especially ridiculous on the one thing that republicans care more about than anything, which is the law of democracy, voter suppression. who gets to vote and why. there is full and total
unanimity among republicans on that issue among all factions. >> you don't see any linkage between donald trump saying the election is stolen and republicans in all of the state legislatures rushing to put in place these restrictive voting laws? i think you have to look at the specifics of each one of those efforts, everybody should want a situation in a system where people who ought to be able to vote and have the right to vote can vote, and people who don't shouldn't. and again, i come back to things like -- >> but why does this for? what are all the states doing? >> while each state is different. >> what problem are they solving for? >> we saw that same unshakable unity among the yunnan -- >> they all lined up to say no,
we don't need federal oversight and they filibustered the for the people act, the voting rights legislation. today, we saw it from the supreme court. the other branch of government the conservative movement has taken over. while the court made a bunch of surprising interesting decisions throughout this term, today they reverted to piety lines all six conservatives republican appointed justices uniting to uphold voting restrictions in our zone at that would disproportionately affects voters of color. that is because making it harder for people to vote, particularly people of color, and young people, is the thing that the conservative movement is animated right now. it is what they are radicalizing on. today, the conservatives use their majority in the supreme court to further weaken the voting rights act. the single piece of legislation in this country's history that functionally turned america in a democracy after the 15th amendment was gutted by southern white terrorists.
in 1965 president lyndon johnson signed the voting rights act into law. it prohibited state and local governments from the nine citizens the right to vote based on their rates. it erected an entire structure to ensure that right was preserved and the law was incredibly effective and politically popular. in fact it was reauthorized multiple times, most recently in 2006 by an overwhelming bipartisan vote in the house and a unanimous vote in the senate. senator mitch mcconnell, then the majority, not only got every republican to vote for it he then took to the floor and spoke in favor of it. >> members of congress realize that this is a piece of legislation that has worked and one of my favorite sayings is that if it's not broken let's not fix it, and it's like a piece of legislation. it's served an emperor important purpose over many years. this piece of legislation will continue to make a difference, not only in the south but for all of america and for all of
us whether we're african americans are not. >> so how could you know reauthorize the voting rights act, if it ain't broke don't fix it, it's worked for everyone right? that's what made america's democracy as we know it. it overcame to tell the therrien rule in the south. it's part of our national civic cannon. the heroes who fought and died for it, they are celebrated till this day, they shut their own blood to make america a true democracy for all. people like lamar smith who organized black mississippians to vote, and then was shot dead by a white man in broad daylight at the courthouse line 1955. and people like -- the naacp fields secretary and mississippi who s shot and killed in his own home in 1963. and people like john lewis who led a group marching on the bridge in some alabama 1965 and was brutally beaten two inches of his life by state troopers. i mean, you're gonna be on the
side of those who -- unless, unless you're john roberts. the conservative and elected a supreme court. he has a lifetime appointment. in 2013 roberts invented a new constitutional principle to got a key section of the voting rights act, known as preclearance. roberts could do that without any political consequences, and in fact he came up with this tortured ruling, the formula congress came up to figure out who got preclearance was indefensible. it offended the sovereign dignity of the state and they gave -- because he then said congress, you fix it. congress fix it.
and he knew he was doing, he was smart, he knew republicans would not doing anything to revive the law, he just dumped the body on their doorstep. what did we see, predictably of wave of voter suppression that otherwise would have been stopped. it would've had to gone through pre-clearance of roberts and the conservatives hadn't gutted it. and that was the first, now it's gotten worse. we've seen a turbocharged in the wake of donald trump's assault on american democracy, the big lie the attempt to overturn election, the first interruption of a peaceful transfer of power in hundreds of years. in republican controlled states across the country putting restrictive voting laws on the fifth pictures predicate on then came this challenge to arizona's lawn supreme court. the law requires election officials to throw away ballots cast at the wrong precinct. but they have to voting areas near you, two places to vote you get to the wrong one you
vote there, oops the ticket is thrown out, it also makes it a crime for anyone unless family members to collect and deliver ballots to pull the polling places. we know those provisions have an impact on minorities. it undercounts minority votes on the fact of 2 to 1. allowing someone to drop off of that ballot is and specially important for indigenous communities. today, the supreme court conservative majority said all that stuff is fine. and i can give you the legal reasoning but here's the real reason it's because that all other parts of the rider working in tandem against americas multi racial democracy. donald trump's version of this is more vulgar, cringe inducing,
the polite way to do it, the way to do it if you're credentialed if your former supreme court clerk or mitch mcconnell and you meet with the u.s. member of chamber. the way you do it is to use the legal channels. your point judges, and then you bring those lawsuits and those justices chip away at it. just a snap here, cut there. death by 1000 blows. until they have functionally done away with the most important law of america's democracy. we did this one's before, the 15th amendment, and it got killed. the only reason it was necessary because a successful effort to got the 15th amendment and not were watching it got the voting rights act. it's not the first time. and that's because multi racial democracy is the thing conservatives are moralizing in radicalizing against across
every single faction of the party. she serves on president biden's commission on the supreme court and she joins me now. sherrilyn, i think people expected a bad ruling today. the expected something like what we saw in the case in arizona. first, your reaction to the actual holding here by the court. >> i would be lying if i said that i was surprised by the outcome. i will say however i was surprised by the audacity. i think justice kagan got it right when she said that the majority re-wrote a statute that has been a monument to american greatness. i was listening to your opening chris, you really cannot begin to talk about this country as a true democracy until 1965. true democracies do not keep
citizens, eligible citizens, from participating in a political process. until the voting rights act is passed in 1965 are not even a true democracy, that makes us 56 years old as a democracy. we have seen the steady dismantling by the supreme court of the voting rights act. now the dismantling of section two, when i say the audacity i mean the actual rewriting of the history and of the standards used in these cases for decades. i began my career in 1988 as a voting rights lawyer and the first thing i was given was the senate report that accompanied the passage of the voting rights act. in that senate report was the factors that were set forth to be used to evaluate cases under section two. the tally of the circumstance test. and while try not to overturn
that decision, justice toledo just writes a new test. unmoored from the text of the statute, unmoored from the intentions of congress and that is what i mean with by the audacity. the voting rights act is regarded as the most effective, important civil rights statute ever enacted. today with the supreme court did two it was just shameful. >> there's a passage in the majority opinion which is authored by samuel alito, he says, look, if there's impact here because there are disparate levels of wealth and mobility, where are you gonna do? you can come up with a new rule but if minority non minority rules have desperate life behaviors, you're gonna have disparate impact. my thoughts freezing this is why i said yes.
>> when georgia was enacted its voter suppression law couple of months ago. i was in a lot of these conversations where people said the law on his face, and i had to remind them that exactly what you said the poll taxes also facially neutral, the literacy test was facially neutral, they knew with the result of it would be. remember the grandfather closet said that you could vote in places like oklahoma if your grandfather was able to vote in 1850, facially neutral, but whose grandparents were able to vote in 1850, black people? no. the idea that this disparate impact kind of happens is so outrageous. and more importantly, chris, this was explicitly referred to in the senate report. it has been recognized by
congress that these are the kinds of laws, these facially disparate laws that were supposed to be attacked by section two. and so essentially with the majority does is ignore congress, again. first ignored congress by ignoring the records that were accumulated and now they've gone all the way back to ignore congress in an acting to voting rights act in the 1982 amendment to the voting rights act. essentially supplanted of hue that several members of this court have long held about the voting rights act in particular section two for many years, and now they've had the chance to codified into a supreme court decision. >> sherrilyn ifill one of the great resources on this, thank you for making time. >> thank you, chris. >> i want to bring in ari berman author of give us the ballot, the modern struggle for voting rights in america.
there's so much talk about. i want to start though to take a step back, there's another a shoe that got passed today. it makes it easier for dark money to flow and for the state not to see it and when you take that in citizens united you could to totality of the -- make it harder for voters and easier for donors. >> that is absolutely right, chris. that is really the slogan for the roberts court, making it easier to buy elections and harder to vote for them and it was really fitting that they came at the same time. what are the rights that they are concerned about? they're concerned about the rights of dark money groups to keep their donor secret, and that worried about the rights of states to be able to suppress voters. not the rights of voters who are facing discrimination, and
that was a complete inverse of what the voting rights act was supposed to do chris. as you know, the voting rights act was supposed to protect minority voters who are facing voter suppression in places like georgia and alabama. now the roberts court led by samuel alito is saying we're going to protect the rights of states to pass whatever voter suppression laws they want, even if there is no evidence of voter fraud, they're intending to solve but we're gonna dramatically raise the bar for the kind of voter suppression that minority voters have to show to be able to win these cases in the future. >> i want to read a section because you've done so much reporting on this. it's so key to understanding that while donald trump and his crew needs had the most cringe inducing version of voter fraud. fraud plays a crucial role in the intellectual structure for
everyone, here's alito, fraud can affect the outcome of a close affect eleion, fraud can undermine public confidence in the fairness of elections, and the perceived legitimacy of the outcome. you see how important the work of voter fraud mid is so that alito can use it to justify these kinds of laws? >> this opinion is the institutionalization of the big lie and up the myth of voter fraud over the past two decades. in shelby county, they invented a principle in your intro, equal sovereignty of the state. a leader just took the republican playbook in terms of lying about voter fraud in the amazing thing is that he said the state can do whatever it wants if it tries this voter fraud even if there is no voter fraud. but if minority voters face all these burdens that's not enough
to strike down these voter suppression laws. he's an acting all of these new tests that minority voters need to show, while basically giving states a launch to suppress voters as long as they point to some perceived threat of fraud even if there is no fraud which is exactly what donald trump said i 2020. there's fraud going on, i know it, find 11,000 votes -- it was all bs. but now that bs is led to samuel alito rewriting the voting rights act. >> that is exactly it. ari berman, thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. >> like i said at the top there was a huge news day on top of the court ruling. there are criminal charges against the trump organization one of trump's longest serving executive, allen weisselberg, we're gonna talk about what's in the 15 felony counts.
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recommend you do, finally gives you a sense of the scale and the placement of the danger of the mob that stormed the capitol in try to overturn a presidential election. watching it allowed me to weave together time and space, understand what was happening, when and where. i'll give you an example of what i'm talking about let's pick up the video just after capitol officer, eugene goodman, led the riders away from the senate chamber. >> first will go to the crypt at the center of the capitol below the rotunda. the mob is already at its entrance if they get through here, they will more easily fan out across the building. [noise] riders jostle with police here for six minutes and then flood through.
it's now 2:24 pm, some 90 minutes after the siege began in the mob is about to overrun the building. >> stop the steal. >> as this is happening in as thousands more spread outside, trump composes a tweet, not to calm his supporters but to blame his vice president. he writes, mike pence didn't have the courage to do it should've been done to protect our country and our constitution but. at this very time pence and his family are being taken to safety, along with an eight who's carrying the country's nuclear launch equipment. ♪ ♪ ♪ i 2:25 pm there's another major breach on the opposite side of the building, the east side. riders have been battling a handful of officers for almost half an eye hour.
the tide turns one riders who came in through the crepe to reach these doors and pull them open. then christopher warner gear is keeps that door open for them up to flood in. >> you can't touch us. >> we are one of you. >> come on man. >> i went on for several more hours resulting in injuries to more than 100 police officers, the death of five people, he would understand the death of those people much more from this video. six months later are still learning about what's happened and it is for that reason that we have a full investigation. today we learned the name of the eight people that are going to serve on the committee to investigate january six. jamie raskin member of the select committee investigating the january six intervention
and he joins me now. congressman i don't know how the selection worked for this, obviously you are involved in impeachment. why would you want to serve on this committee? >> you have to see it through chris. it was a terrible attack, not just on the capitol but democracy itself. it was an attempt to overthrow the counting of electoral college votes and we can never forget that inside that violent insurrection how was fueled by white supremacists hoover descending on washington was a coup. it was an attempt to course mike pence into declaring powers that had never been exercised or claimed before which is the power that the vice president to nullify electoral college votes in the state, and all they wanted him to do was to return and reject those electors coming in from arizona, pennsylvania and georgia. that would've lower joe biden's
electoral college vote total below two 70, there by kicking it into a contingent election under the 12th amendment. they wanted that because in a contingent election we don't vote one member one vote we vote when state one vote, and the gop had 27 states in the back at that point. we were not that far from trump actually succeeding and accomplishing that, and we know that michael flynn and other military advisers were pushing him to declare martial law, and that probably would've been the next step if they succeeded in winning and continual election. they would've called marshall la to put down the chaos that he unleashed in the capital. >> when you think about the areas of known and unknown's, ian and watching this video and have a bunch of questions. there are things i feel like i have a good sense of and think
that i still don't understand. what are the areas that you feel like you don't understand, that you really want this commission to get to? my >> focus as an impeachment manager is incitements and we documented the presidents incitement of violent insurrection but they say that he incited it leaves open the question of who organized it, who mobilized it and who financed it? what were the structures of power that were in place to allow for it to actually happen. over the interactions between four white house the trump team, roger stone, the oath keepers, the proud boys and so on. that's something the never became clear. there were reports in the middle of the trial about how there were lots of trump campaign employees who were moved over from the campaign on two organizing for the rally,
and the march. we need far more intensive investigation into how that happened and then of course we need an investigation into what we need to do to prevent being overrun in future by violent white supremacist, violent extremists. >> liz cheney the only republican appointed by the speaker, the age of view and he seems an infuse to appoint any other, is it your expectation that it will only be the eighth of you? >> no. right now are very hopeful that mccarthy will do his duty, under this legislation, hannah points members. it is bipartisan right now as you say, but we would like him to do his job and appoint members, they've been trying to stand back this from the beginning. we had literally given them
everything they wanted, five republicans, five democrats an outside investigation. they couldn't take yes for an answer because they're for too many things they don't want america and the world in history to know. and we don't even know everything they don't want us to know. >> that's what's next, me i will say the one of the question i had watching the video is why and how they were so unprepared and i know we've looked into that a little bit less still don't have the answer having covered protests in washington d.c., having been around protests before, i've never seen anything like the outnumbering of the police that happened there, ever in my life. in 20 years of reporting on street actions. it's very striking. >> it's -- >> i was just gonna say what's
astonishing is that the new york times video that you described before it shows how there was literally thousands of riders up against five or six police officers, in some places. so, we want to figure out exactly how that happened, make sure that it never happens again and make sure that we're not compromised by donald trump and his attempt to inject this rhetoric into the government and try to overthrow democratic institutions. >> jamie raskin who has his work cut out for him, thank you for joining us. >> thank you so much, chris. >> tonight they're here the final here indictments we can read them in the public record, 15 charges against trump's cfo allen weisselberg the biggest takeaway, what is there to come. right after this. ght after this
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15 count criminal indictment prosecutors today, they charged allen weisselberg with a massive wide ranging scheme to defraud the government. according to manhattan district attorney between 2005 and 2021 the trump organization was compensating executives off the book while keeping secret internal records of the compensation as compensation. the alleged weisselberg got employee compensation in the amount of one point $76 million. that includes rent utility, elise on two mercedes benz cars and private school tuition for his family members. all of which according to prosecutors, weisselberg failed to report to federal law tax authorities.
the trump organization and allen weisselberg pleaded not guilty and are expected to be in court in september. the i'm joined now by rebecca roiphe who is now a professor at new york law school. rebecca, first you're line reaction on reading the indictment? >> this is an incredibly powerful indictment is detailed in such a way that it seems like it will be not too difficult to prove, and first of all this really take some of the wind out of the sales of that defense if you can call it a defense, this is a politically motivated prosecution, this is the bread and butter of the da's office kind of attack, cases like this is certainly one that the da's office would pursue. think about it if a business owner were paying his employees to this tune, off the books,
there is no doubt that the da's office would pursue this absolutely. i think that the idea that the trump organization lawyers were floating, that this was politically motivated be because french benefits are no big deal, they can keep trying that, but that is my take on this. the key question that everybody is act skiing themselves is this is the tip of the iceberg. >> it also seems to me that again, he's innocent until proven guilty and of course indictments are going to assemble the most damning pictures of the facts, we haven't heard the defense weigh on on this but here's an example that struck out to me and there's a few of these, put trump organization book to catch that they gave to him as holiday entertainment but they maintain internal spreadsheets showing that that was part of his employee compensation. the picture that emerges here
is a very clear up tax evasion which says >> exactly you have to ask yourself is this scheme designed to benefit him, was he the person that was supposed to benefit from this? it seems to me when, you ask yourself that question probably not. because this has to be, especially when you think about all the other executives that were named in this indictment, this is an organization that shady at the top. there is no question in my mind that this is the tip of the iceberg, the question is is this the only tip that the da can prove or can he prove more. it seems to me that these are
such vivid charges and there were a second set of books and records, it's not like the organization did not know what it was doing. so the question is to attend, who is benefiting from this? this is like the maestro mine way solberg, probably not. so the question is who is making money off of this, and the logical thing is former president trump, the question is can the da prove that. >> we should note a few things, he's not the only executive. rallies 2005 to the date of this indictment, some agreed to -- two federal authorities of course everyone wants to know who is an indicted coast spirit or number one. >> and i don't have an insight
on that but i do think that if you read the entire indictment that's not the only person mentioned there, there are a bunch of other people mentioned. this is not just one person, these is not just smalls french benefits, this is a lot of money. it is over a long period of time and their number of people who are benefiting from it. the question is, you know, why, who, how much in how is this organized. this is the kind of situation where i do think this was brought to put pressure not just on weisselberg but other officials to cooperate because it's hard to get the person at the top if you can't get somebody to help you out. >> rebecca roiphe, thank you so much for joining, i appreciate it. amazing undercover video of an excellent lobbyist to talk about how they worked to undermine environmental issues. you don't want to miss it. o miss it.
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organization and its cfo were indicted, if you need to process all of this, here we have zerlina maxwell and mehdi hasan host of the mehdi hasan on peacock and msnbc. zerlina i want to start with the court's decision today, the january 6th commission and the kind of threw line of the fact that you have unanimity on the conservative side about restriction the franchise, will working against multi racial democracy in so far the democratic party isn't on the same page about doing everything that needs to be done to reinforce it. >> it's a really peculiar situation, it's frustrating to watch the democrats try to figure out what to do, essentially they're playing whack-a-mole with voter restrictions all over the country popping up while the republicans are essentially destroying the board, they're destroying the whole thing, they blew it up there's no place to play the game and i
think fundamentally with this is all about, everything is connected, i wrote a book about that multi racial coalition that will form the majority of the american electorate of the future but it is also the president. this is happening because arizona went blue, this is happening because georgia went blue and republicans understand the numbers are not on their side going forward nor in the present in those critical states including texas which is a lot closer that they would've wanted, they're implementing a plan to restrict voters, the votes that are less likely to vote for them and democrats better understanding what's happening it doesn't matter if you have the best message if your voters don't have access to the ballot box. >> this comes back to the question of using the power you have, this was the lesson of -- in both cases it was audacious, against the norm but that was the power that he had and he
will did it unless you can get manchin and sinema on board for majority ruled in the senate 50 votes to will the power you had then you can't wield power that you have. >> maybe we should all start lobbying exxon to make sure that they can lobby cinnamon joe manchin >> that's what they should do. >> let me say this if the republicans were in control of the white house the senate the house of representatives and they believe that giving d.c. statehood getting rid of the filibuster in adding justices will be in their advantages you think they would've done it by now they should've done it on day one january 21st. this ridiculous will we, want to protect democracy but we won't take the forces that are threatening democracy the filibusters the supreme court
the republican party itself. those images of democratic republican senators hugging each other backslapping outside the white house over the bipartisan deal all i can think is that, yay are bridges is going to stay all op while our bridges -- while our democracy dies. >> that's the democracy, where you can make compromising where you can't, it's the court issues that are stopping america democracy, in places where you can't compromise. i thought also, zerlina, that exxon lobbyist clip, it's a great way to see how the folks who work this full-time view this. these people that we view as the fulcrum are the fulcrum and they are the ones getting worked over by the lobby is, with a lot of money to go out and campaign donation and a lot of connections to try and stealing things away from what joe biden proposed.
that is the boogie man in that speech. >> and i think the american people understand that there is something wrong with this system and that it is not that individual members of congress are just quote unquote bad people, or mean, or something like that. it's not that simple. it's really about the structures that are in place that limit the ability to do things because they are baked in interest is reelection and these dark money groups that exxon mobile funnel money through these groups and keep these groups in power. they have invested interest in keeping to policies the way that are anti-regulating so that they can make more money while we burn, while we die and that is the danger that we are facing here. >> and mattie, quickly, i think it's important on the last day to be clear eyed about what this court is and not have any conclusion about what that six
three majority means. >> cringe it's not for us to be clear. he should have been out in retirement, but he didn't because he think that it would politicize the court, get on joining us this hour, leona helmsly. she went to prison. she was an actual multibillionaire for real. she was president of the helmsly hotel including the park lane in new york city and the helmsly palace. she, herself appeared in a