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night there's gonna be exciting news, i was right. i knew it was going to be like this, but while. and it just soon to the president's company being indicted we had the president today, the actual president of the united states in miami. tonight, just before we got on the air mare gore alone announced a pause on all federal execution. the democrats announced their points to the committee that it are going to investigate -- an end -- or if they'll punish liz cheney for accepting that appointment. and of course the day started with the supreme court taking a dole acts toward remains to the voting rights act and minority voting rights protection. that decision is one that is going to sting for a very long time, the entity that brought that suit in the first place as the democratic national committee, the nbc chairman
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jaime harrison is going to join lawrence here on msnbc, i'm gonna get out of the way i will see you tomorrow night. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, rachel. i think you isolated what could be the most important question of this indictment today because it refers to other people, other executives in the trump operation. how many are those possible other executives involved in the commission of these crimes are named trump? how many of those are children of donald trump? >> and if it was a systematic, scheme by the company to, including its most highly compensated executive to pay them in ways that were designed to evade taxes which is the way it's described in the indictment. allen why celebrities getting paid 1 million dollars of weir and they said that he was one of the highest paid benefits year of that scheme but they did not describe him as the most highly paid. there aren't that many people of the company who are more hardly pay than him and i don't
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believe anybody of them is named trump. they're describing scheme that apply to other people who were beneficiary of things. that is what's allen why so broke has been criminally charge with, it has to be fair 's unsettling thing for them tonight. then there is the amazing mystery of how is donald trump still there, what is the payments keen for donald trump himself? that is something that we don't learn anything so far in this indictment. >> but i think we're gonna learn about it before too long. >> it looks like it's coming. it looks like that's what it is ahead of. us thank you, rachel. >> thank, you warns. >> thank you. once again, donald trump signed his name to checks in the commission of a crime, according to an indictment by a manhattan grand jury until today. in court in my hand. we've already seen his signature on checks written in the commission of a federal
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crime. here's donald trump signature in a cheque to michael cohen as part of the criminal payoff scheme to prove event stormy daniels from telling the ugly truth of what happened when she was alone in that hotel room with donald trump. that criminal scheme, of course, completely fell apart, michael cohen went to prison for that criminal scheme, stormy daniels went on 60 minutes and told the story of that night including donald trump comparing her to his daughter. today, another criminal scheme involving donald trump signing checks was described in the indictment of the trump corporation, the trump it will corporation and allen why so burke. from 2012 through 2017 then as part of the scheme to -- including weisselberg arranged for tuition expenses for weisselberg's family members to be paid by personal checks drawn on the account of, and
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signed by donald j. trump. the payment of tuition for weisselberg's family members couldn't -- i was treated as part of his annual compensation in the internal records maintained by the corporation. however, the indirect compensation in the form of tuition payments was not included on a weisselberg's two forms reported to tax authorities. no income taxes were withheld. weisselberg intentionally caused a tuition payments to be omitted from his personal tax returns despite knowing that those payments represented taxable income and were treated as compensation by the trump corporation and internal records. he did not pay taxes on approximately 359,058 dollars in compensation, he received in the form of tuition payments.
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that is a lot of money, but that is not the big money in this indictment. which says that alan weisselberg and other employees of the trump corporation quote, devised in operated a scheme to defraud federal, new york state, and new york city tax authorities. the purpose of the scheme was to compensate weisselberg and other trump organization executives in a matter that was " off the books " the scheme was intended to allow certain employees to substantially understate their compensation from the trump organization so that they could and did pay federal state and local taxes in amounts that were significantly less then the amounts that should have been paid. the defendants arranged for weisselberg to receive indirect employee compensation from the trump organization in the approximate amount of 1.76 million dollars. weisselberg then concealed the compensation from his tax
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prepare and intentionally omitted from his tax returns. additionally, weisselberg concealed, four years, the fact that he was a resident of new york city who was required to pay new york city income taxes. he thereby evaded approximately 556,385 dollars in federal taxes, approximately 106,568 in tax and 238,159 and will your exceeding taxes, and he falsely claimed and received approximately 94,902 dollars and federal tax refunds and approximately 38,222 dollars and state tax refunds, to which he was not entitled. the 15 count indictment that supposes him to a sentence of 15 years in prison for the most
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serious count which is grand larceny in the second degree, most of the other counts, carry possible for year sentences. the indictment details allen weisselberg personal participation in and supervision of crimes described in the indictment. for example, on september 26 2016 allen weisselberg directed a staff member in the accounting department to remove the notation " per allen weisselberg " from the entries of donald j. trump's detail general entries related to tuition paid on his biafra to his family members private school. you can get four years for that. four years in prison, just for that. just for that falsifying of business record. allen weisselberg is accused of committing that crime in the final weeks of the winning trump presidential campaign in
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2016. the question that today's indictment does not answer is, exactly how involved and responsible for these crimes was donald trump? tonight, donald trump who is reportedly not a good sleep or will at some point tried to fall asleep and allen weisselberg who is 73 years old, is a husband, a father, and grandfather, who wants to spend his remaining years with his wife, his children, and grandchildren, all the time have been beneficiaries of the crimes outlined in this indictment, direct beneficiaries. tonight, allen weisselberg is facing a possible sentence that could leave him in prison for the rest of his life. donald trump has to fall asleep tonight knowing that allen weisselberg could make those sentences disappear by
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cooperating with prosecutors and telling them everything that he knows about donald trump. new york times reach donald trump for what they called a brief interview today after the indictment, the time report asked if he was worried about the pressure put on mr. why so burke and he said only that his longtime lieutenant was " an honourable man " i'm with him all the way, he said. if donald trump was with him all the way and the commission of these crimes and allen weisselberg chances of dancing at his children's wedding could depend entirely on what he's willing to tell prosecutors about the men who now says, i'm with him all the way. leading off our discussion tonight andrew weissmann who served as chief of the criminal division in the east -- he's an msnbc legal analyst also with, us susan hoffinger, former met assistant district attorney she served as a prosecutor in the trial
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division and fraud bureau. it's a white collar criminal defence attorney now. susan, what is your reading of this indictment today and how much pressure does it put on allen weisselberg, that's what you would be asking yourself tonight if you are in your old job? ask>> today's indictment is clearly a very broad ranging indictment involving 15 years, allegations of 15 years of scheme to defraud taxing authorities. we're talking about 1.76 million dollars an income that was either falsely recorded, or not properly recorded -- reported, sorry. it's clearly a significant indictment. in terms of the issue of mr. weisselberg's cooperation, right now he's looking at charges that don't mandate a jail sentence.
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it doesn't mean that he wouldn't get one if he was convicted. but it doesn't mandate a jail sentence. i believe that the calculation made by mr. weisselberg's lawyers and mr. weisselberg, is that he is going to fight this for now and see what comes down the pike in terms of additional charges. if he were to have cooperated with the a's office you could be sure that the g8 office would have required him to implicate not only other people in the larger investigation, bank fraud, insurance fraud, maybe other tax fraud he would have to implicate himself as well in order to be an effective cooperator. that is a larger case. it's calculation at this point is, he's not going to cooperate now on a case that doesn't require jail to implicate himself in a case that might involve millions of dollars and perhaps require jail. they're gonna wait and see what happens with further charges. >> andrew weissmann, we've been
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discussing, you and i, for a while, the anticipation of this indictment, now that you've seen it had a chance to read it, what is your reaction to what you found? >> i agree with susan, and i think a very good sign of that is comparing the public statements of weisselberg's attorneys to those of the company's attorneys, the company did a full on attack -- it reminded me of what we face and the special counsel investigation. but mary, the lead lawyer for alan weisselberg had a very quiet statement, and just said he's going to plead not guilty and he's going to prepare the case for trial. it wasn't a full blunt attacked. that is leaving the option open for him to cooperates. my read of this entire indictment is that for days before we were getting the trump spin, to me not only is
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this a very strong indictment, in and of itself, but to me it reads like a shot across the ball. to have broad discharged is mor. this is a prediction, obviously, but all signs of reading this indictment are telling people, we are not afraid to bring charges. we are naming other executives in a long term scheme that began long before trump was president, during the time he was president an after he was president. there is no way, in god's green earth, that donald trump did not know this was going on. to me this is a very powerful message from the manhattan district attorney's office. >> susan, we discover it includes good old-fashioned income tax evasion, because they're delivering bonuses, salary bonuses, the are half of allen weisselberg's salary in
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the year that is being paid in a false way, a way that doesn't have any withholding at all, sets him up to do all sorts of other kinds of deductions that as an employee, he would not be allowed to do. >> one of the significant pieces of evidence in this indictment, which is a speaking indictment, which provides a lot of meat on the bone here. both because it is a significant case of public interest, but perhaps to send a message to the trump organization, the weisselberg and other employees at the trump corporation, is that there is an internal document from the trump corporation that shows there was a maximum set income, each year, for mr. weisselberg. these benefits were backed out of that number, in other words, this document show that the trump organization intended these fringe benefits. these off the book payments to be part of his overall compensation, therefore his income. i think that's a powerful piece of evidence that is revealed in this indictment today. >> andrew, one of the things
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that strikes me about the record keeping is that they do keep two sets of books. they actually keep a record in effect of the crime. >> absolutely. you have, you know, basically it's donald trump and his greed getting the better of him. by keeping track the true income, so that they're not overpaying their employees. lawrence, one point i would like to make that is quite striking here, is that the indictment goes out of its way to talk about the fact that there was not just a state and city tax offence here, but there was a federal tax offence here. that is repeated i believe 30 times in the short indictment that there is a federal scheme here. and so, the pressure to me, is on america garland right now, is he going to put up? is he going to be investigating this? it's frankly an embarrassment that you have the state of new york pointing out a clear federal crime and is they are
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going to be additional pressure put on these people because of federal case will be brought. we know that there is an open civil tax investigation in connection with donald trump that's been pending for years, in connection with his taxes. so it'll be interesting to see what happens there. >> susan often gore and andrew weissmann, thank you for starting us off. we really appreciated. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up. more on today's indictment was a tax law expert who says that these are serious crimes and tim o brian who has been studying the trump businesses for many years, that's next. ny years, that's next. and one we discover. one that's been tamed and one that's forever wild. but freedom means you don't have to choose just one adventure. ♪ ♪ you get both. introducing the wildly civilized all-new 3-row jeep grand cherokee l.
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michael cohen for the payoff of stormy daniels included an unnamed person call individual
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one, the prosecutors say michael cohen acted in coordination and at the direction of individual one. individual one was clearly donald trump. in this indictment there is another person referred to as a co-conspirator number one. there are many possibilities. it might be someone who is already secretly cooperating with prosecutors. the indictment says from at least 2005, through the date of this indictment, the name defendants and others, included an indicted kokand's fuchsia number one, agreed to and implemented a compensation scheme with the object of enabling weisselberg to underreport hissing come to federal authorities and thereby evade attacks. to which he was not entitled. on or before april 5th 2010, the trump corporation acting through its agent, an indicted co-conspirator number one, under reported allen
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weisselberg taxable income for the tax or 2009. joining us now a professor of tax law new york university law school, also with us team bryan he is the author of the book trump nation and he already wrote the book about donald trump's businesses. professor you tweeted your way on to your show. when i saw your tweet describing your reaction to these charges, you said these are serious violations of tax law that have to be prosecuted. why? >> well it's not really a french benefit case. you give a company card to someone and they didn't really use it for work, that's not what it is. this is as if someone went to his or her boss and said i want you to reduce my salary by 5000 dollars this month, but give me 5000 dollars in an envelope and and on mark bills. that's with this is. as the previous guest were saying, --
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and then it's reduce so they don't have to reported and he gets in some cases catch, in other cases it was tuition, buying a flat screen tv, it's really just the skiing to deuce sneaky off the book catch. it doesn't have anything to do with french benefits. this is the allegation, it hasn't improving, -- if that happens known as to pay taxes anymore, they can just do silly things like have side arrangements and dual sets of books. it's really a challenge to the taxes and i don't think all prosecutors could not charge this. if you run across this even if they're trying to get -- not to charge it would be rather amazing. >> tim o brian, the indictment is filled with unnamed characters and references to
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them as the unidentified conspirator number one. and there are other executives, other high-level executives. and so the candidates for liability here included donald trump's children, obviously include donald trump himself. who is word tonight as they read this indictment? >> anybody in the upper ranks of this very small organization who advised donald trump or participated in any of these scams alongside allen why sober. the trump organization has scores of llc under his umbrella, i suspect the trump corporation is another one of these entities. typically there weren't a lot of people on top of that food chain, it was a company that existed on paper, it usually included allen weisselberg and some consolation of the three children. so to the extent that an indicted coup conspirator
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number one as someone in the trump corporation and that mirror a third trump organization typically construct, it's possible that the children are in danger there. i think the other issue that will come on very soon with the weight of this indictment is people will start to wrap one another out. this is an organization we talked about this before. there's not a lot of loyalty, everyone understand that trump saves his skin before anyone else. and i think a chill probably went down the spine of people in senior ranks at the trump organization when they read this. i think a lot of the spin around this is being of frivolous suit without a lot of ammunition behind it to spell today. this is the very early stages of this investigation and a lot of people could be caught up in this cross fire.
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>> professor sharon, andrew weissmann just raised the question of would do federal prosecutors do when they pick up this indictment and read it and to be fair to them, the manhattan prosecution are the very first prosecution who've had the tax returns of donald trump's company and donald trump's to study for criminal behaviour. of course they'd be the first one to find it. but what they found includes a federal crime. >> yes, it's kind of funny because the new york state basis for the charges says that it's defrauding someone. it could be that someone defrauded you, to follow me or anyone else on the show, it was the federal government. the new york state people find tax fraud which is undeniable if the facts of the indictment are proving and it is -- it's embarrassing for the feds, as you say, maybe they didn't have access to it. it seems to be stuff that once you look at an of documents is
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just right there and there's no denying it. if the indictment is proven poll. i don't see how they can charge on this basis. >> tim, that's what's so striking about the indictment is that you can see how this case can be made, so we'll, because it is on paper. it is right there. the man responsible for it all is sitting in the courtroom, allen weisselberg. >> that's an important thing to remember about the entire case lawrence. i don't think a special grand jury would've been convened and the day's office targeted a former president, if they didn't have a lot of paperwork. that goes to some of these other crimes we've discussed, tax fraud, county fraud, falsification of business records. allen weisselberg worked hand in glove with donald trump for
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decades creating the kind of paperwork that company sent out to banks. other lenders. media. to present this mirage around who trump was. dad that position is full of his acknowledgment that he and weisselberg work closely together on these kinds of things. >> professor daniel shaviro and tim o'brien, thank you both for joining this discussion, we really appreciate it. >> pleasure. >> and coming up. donald trump is now the target of three important investigations including the ongoing investigation by the manhattan district attorney in a new one, it started by house speaker nancy pelosi today. john heilemann joins us next. eilemann joins us next r what i need. 'cause i do things a bit differently. wet teddy bears! wet teddy bears here! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete,
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subject of a new investigation, nancy pelosi named eight house members to a newly selected committee that will investigate the attack on the capital which
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the house already determined was incited by donald trump. speaker named seven democrats including former impeachment prosecutor adam shift, jamie ruskin and -- and one republican, liz cheney, who was one of only two republicans who voted to create this select committee that means as of tonight donald trump is a target in three important investigations. the new house committees investigation, the manhattan's investigation and the grandeur investigation unfold in county georgia, studying evidence of donald trump's possible violations of infected -- election laws there by trying to interfere with the counting. joining us now is john heilemann, nbc news and nbc news fair analysts, -- john, donald trump is famously
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an insomniac, tonight seems like one of the nights where sleep is going to be very hard for him to come by. >> yeah, he'll be up watching don lemon, over and over again. you know i was going to say is you are going through this investigation, you and i have both been investigated a fair amount and i'm not sure whether you spend time behind bars but i have, i don't think i've never been three investigations simultaneously. i think trump has faced some bad situations and obviously the biggest problems that he no longer has a shield of the presidency and you can see him just in the way that he's dealing with the difficulty season right now, you can see how desperately he's tried to think about how he can get back into that white house so he can have the immunity for prosecution. he's clearly -- we've seen awake out a couple of times but there's a new quality to the manic nature that he's reacting, and which
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we can talk about more, but i find really interesting. >> for example, he actually has scheduled on saturday are rally in florida, another trump rally in florida this would be post indictment the governor ron desantis has said were -- please don't do that. the governor saying don't do that because we have a mass casualty event and we're still recovering from. president biden was there today. it will be, this will be another test, i don't know whether this is the trump psyche whether he actually tries to have that event when they're still searching for bodies on saturday. >> well, we know that trump doesn't care at all. he doesn't care about any human life or any of the family members, or anyone that's impacted in a human way this is
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very simple. trump has been listening to people say that ron desantis is the next trump for the last six months. i would say the things that will most induced from to do this events is if ron desantis continues to tell him not to do it. i bet every dollar my bank account which isn't nearly as much as in yours, but i bet a lot of money that what's motivating trump in this particular cage is the combination of needing to be in front of large crowds and exert some kind of, at least in his mind exhort political power and the particular rightfully that brewing between him and ron desantis. you see ron desantis winning these polls and that -- ron desantis is the same donald trump among republicans. trump is gearing that it is making him crazy. it's a reasonable chance he will go through this to spite ron desantis and to get a feud between ron desantis.
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>> john, does allen why sober gulag like the g cordon lady of this story, lady being this water gate burglar who would never crack and never turn on the mix in conspiracy? >> i largest you're an oil analysts who said i think that makes sense, i think he's there until the time gets too significant. if you put him in a situation where he might have to put the rest of his life in prison, thrust of his live or is semi productive life behind bars i think that will be the test to that. i think he's inclined to be that, but there are a lot of people who think that there are gonna be him. you always have a plan and then you get hit in the face. >> john heilemann, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
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we really appreciate it. >> all right, lawrence, good to see you. >> coming up. d.c. chairman jaime harrison will give us his reaction to the supreme court once again weakening the voting rights act today. hot dog or... chicken? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ feeling sluggish or weighed down? it could be a sign that your digestive system isn't working at it's best taking metamucil everyday can help. metamucil psyllium fiber, gels to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down. it also helps lower cholesterol and slows sugar absorption to promote healthy blood sugar levels. so you can feel lighter and more energetic metamucil. support your daily digestive health. and try metamucil fiber thins. a great tasting and easy way to start your day.
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system is not equally open or that it does not give everyone an equal opportunity to vote. in a scathing dissent, justice accuse the conservative majority of rewriting the law beyond what congress had intended. what is tragic is that the court has yet again re-written, in order to weaken, a statute that stands as a monument to america's greatness and protects against its bassist impulses. election law expert, rick and say that it makes it harder to prove racial discrimination in passing a voting rule making it that much harder for tuesday to win its suit against the new georgia voting law in a statement today, president biden said how deeply disturbed he was by the ruling, and added quote, the court's decision
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quote, the court's decisio joining us now is jaime harris, chair of the democratic national committee. jim, harris thank you very much for joining us tonight. mister chairman, youchool. you know how to read these opinions. what was your reaction? >> thank you for having, me. lawrence this was a kick to the gut. it really was. i think justice kagan in her dissent put it perfectly. in essence, with the court did when they made their decision, they poured old poison into new bodies. we know the poison of jim crow. we know what happened in the past in terms of how minorities in this country have not always enjoyed the same voting rights that other americans have. we know that justin roberts,
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this is in his first bite of the, apple shelby was his first, and this has been a lifelong dream of his, to chip away at the voting rights act. you know what's, lawrence? we are not gonna sit around holding your hands and crying into handkerchiefs. we are going to mobilize and fight. we have to get people registered to vote. we gotta educate them on why it is important to vote. we have to mobilize them, and then we are going to protect every damn vote we can. that we will be in the velvet box and that's where we're at. >> does this put more pressure on democrats to change the rule on the 60 vote threshold so they can pass a bill that actually protects these voting rights? >> the president put it perfectly. this puts a tremendous amount of pressure on congress to act. the supreme court it's filled with folks who like to call themselves strict constructionists. who follow the letter of the
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law, and do everything to subvert the letter of the law. they went all around the legislative intent. and went all around the history behind voting rights act. to come up some arbitrary test, i don't know where they found it. to innocence, week in this law. again, this ball is now in congress is hands. they have to act. we are going to work very, very hard, with our democrats in the united states than it, and the united shouts state to act. we have to do it in order to protect the rights of so many americans. >> this is what the president said today in reaction to this, and mentioning some of the other elements and some of the other restrictive voting laws that republicans are passing. >> it is my sense that there is a remedy based on the particular voting decision.
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i think that it is critical that we make soon think between voter -- and suspension. the ability of this favors coming along and vote there in legislated to change who was declared a winner. i find it to be astounding. i find the supreme court ruled in that way today. >> the president focusing there on the vote count process after the votes have been cast, and how that's been changed in georgia, and they are attempting to change that in texas. that seems to him to be one of the scariest elements of this the way republican legislators are trying to reach in and put new controls and now they count votes. >> exactly right. this is the secret in these
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voter suppression laws that we see popping up against the state by the republicans. there is an outrage on the fact that giving someone a bottle of water, but the real thing is that they're trying to make a determination that there's republican legislatures making a determination on what votes are counted in which are not. there is nothing about that that you -- you find it in putin's russia. this mess you see in the republican party -- -- i don't even recognize this party. they love to take about integrity and everything else, they don't know what it is. when you try to take away the most fundamental sacred right we have as american citizens, something is fundamentally wrong with you. that's why americans have to stand up.
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>> chairman thank you for joining us on this important night. we appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. coming up, congresswoman debbie wallace talks about surfside florida and she was with the president today when she spoke with the families of the the victims who were in the building when it collapsed last week. she joins us next. she joins us next. re. hey joshie... wrinkles send the wrong message. help prevent them before they start with downy wrinkleguard.
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♪ me and you listening to the rain ♪ ♪ me and you we are the same ♪ ♪ me and you have all the fame we need ♪ ♪ indeed, you and me are we ♪ ♪ me and you singing in the park ♪ search and refugee and -- ♪ me and you, we're waiting for the dark ♪ rescue efforts to resume today after engineers inspected the building collapse there. 18 people now confirmed dead. 140 people are still missing. president joe biden met with elected officials, including the state's republican governor, as well as first responders and rescue crews. then the president met with families of the victims of
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those, and those who are still missing and those have personal conversations, extensive ones, with those people for almost three and a half hours. >> >> that audio was recorded by some of that meaning. they were about 200 people at that meeting. president biden said it was important for him to meet with every person who wanted to speak with him. after the meeting, the president described the uncertainty that the families are now facing cases. >> it's bad enough to lose
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somebody, but the hard part, the really hard part, is to not know whether they will survive or not. just to not have any idea. when the accident took my wife and family, the hardest part was where my boy is going to get? out where they're gonna make it? and not knowing. it amazes me that this group of people where the resilience in them. the commitment. their willingness to do whatever it took to find an answer. i walked away impressed. with their strength it was impressive. >> on the way to the airport to return to washington, and the president first lady paid respects at a neighborhood
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memorial, commander marauding and honoring the victims of the building collapse. joining us now is debbie -- she represents a district that includes her side. she was with the president today. congresswoman, you are with the president, including when he was speaking to the families, what was it like to be in that room with the president and those people who were suffering so much this week? >> lawrence, it was one of the most experiences from d.c. as ceremony as we heard about the building collapse, and have been really here through most of the whole week. on the ground, with these families, their hearts were torn out. imagine, it's unimaginable where they are going through.
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with the president did by starting on talking about his own experience which we know is if kim and then literally for three and a half hours and i watched him go need an, family to family and go up to these people who were in the most tremendous pain, looking into the eyes of someone who's lived through horrendous pain like that, and his that's the magic of joe biden. >> let's listen to something
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the president said later to reporters, and when they were asking him about his meeting, meeting with government officials and others in florida. >> no disagreement or victory -- bickering, everyone's on the same team. that's what america is all about. it's about pulling together. leaving nobody behind. that's not me the feel, the one thing that made me feel good about this, is a cohesion that exists. he's no democrat or republican out there, just people wanting to do the right thing for their fellow americans. >> this is his first encounter as president when the governor desantis, it looked as professional as you would expect in a situation like this. >> not the local, state, and federal level, we've been working seamlessly. we've been seeing consistently we have our differences of opinion -- opinion, lots on different things, when but when it comes
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to taking care of people in surfside, people who've been through the most horrific tragedy, literally the stuff of nightmares, with a building that your loved ones are sleeping, in coming down around, then and now they are buried under it. the focus on searching for survivors is number one. number two is taking care of the families. number three, it's gonna be making sure we're getting to the bottom of how this is happening. doing everything we can at every lever of government to make sure never happens again. >> the governor specifically thank the president for how smoothly the coordination is been with the federal government. do you have everything that you need there now,. >> president biden by the end of the first day, all the resources that we need can be provided in and disaster, and we've been providing. and we have other things we need, and the president is
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committed to see this through all the way to the end. as we all have. sorry for your community suffering and what this means for the people there. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you lawrence, stick with us. we will need you every step of the way. >> thank you very much. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. williams starts now. this is day 163 of the biden administration, big trouble tonight in the form of criminal charges however. for donald trump's family and the head of his finances. prosecutors for the men handing that -- they can use them running a 15-year scheme to avoid them from paying taxes and defrauding federal new york state, and new york city tax authorities. the indictment says 73 year old


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