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to see it through to the end as we have all together. >> congresswoman debbie wassermann schultz, i'm very sorry for the loss your community is suffering. thank you very much for joining us. >> stick with us. we need help every step of the way. >> thank you, thank you very much. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. and good evening once again, this was day 163 of the biden administration. big trouble tonight in the form of criminal charges however for donald trump's family-run company. prosecutors accuse the trump organization of running a 15-year scheme for frauding new york state and new york city tax
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authorities. allen weisselberg is accused of dodging -- -- he was marched in handcuffs to -- where he was ordered to surrendering his passport, where he pleaded not guilty. reports indicate he has so far resisted opportunities to cooperate with investigators. earlier tonight, michael cohen says today's excruciating experience may push weisselberg to start talking.
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>> i can tell you, the handcuffs behind your back, it's not comfortable. and that is when you're being investigated. >> the 15-count indictment noted the trump organization kept a spread sheet to track weisselburg's fringe benefits. they say the case is politically motivated. >> these charges are unprecedented in 244 years. we have not had a local prosecutor go after a former president of the united states. or his employees or his company. i believe the political forces driving today's events are just that. it's political -- politically driven. if the name of the company was something else, i don't think the charges would have been brought. >> as to the man whose name is
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over the door, he calls the arrest witch hunt. there was movement on capitol hill to creating a collect house committee to investigate the january 6th riot. speaker pelosi named eight lawmakers to serve on the committee. liz cheney of wyoming who broke with his party to be one of two republicans who voted for the collect committee to investigate the riot. cheney was asked, if they accepted an appointment to the committee. >> it's clear to all of the people on this committee that our oath to the constitution, our duty, our dedication to the the rule of law and a peaceful
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transfer of power has to come above any politics. >> do you think leader mccarthy should testify? >> i think the committee will decide the primary investigation. what i know, it will be thorough. it will be professional. it will be series and not partisan. >> by the way, and importantly, this committee will have power to subpoena witnesses. now, today they reacted to cheney's decision to serve on this committee, questioning her loyalty to her party. >> i was shocked she would accept something from speaker pelosi. maybe she is closer to her than us. i don't know. >> we are also following the row action to a major supreme court ruling on voting rights. the court upheld arizona voting restrictions that a lower court
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said discriminated against minority voters. meanwhile, it's been a week since the deadly collapse of a condo building in florida. earlier tonight, search resumed efforts after a 15-hour work stoppage. that happened out of concern that the rest of the building could fall down. 18 people have down, 145 souls remain on the list of missing. president biden, first lady jill biden traveled to surfside today. they spent three hours in a private meeting with loved ones. they also met with first responders. the toughest part, of course, comforting the families who have no answers. their loved ones still unaccounted for. >> jill and i want them to know, i'm with them, the country's with them. our message for them today, we're here for you, as one nation. as one nation.
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>> with that, let's bring in our lead-off guest on this thursday night, peter baker, the journalist and author. chief white house kornt for the new york stant. daniel from the southern district of new york. and former u.s. attorney joyce vance, 25-year veteran as former prosecutors and podcast sisters in law. good evening and welcome to you all. daniel, i would like to begin with you. you said today the indictment was detailed and powerful. for the folks in the audience who will not have the inclination to read and digest the indictment, who do they need to know? >> when the indictment outlines
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a 15-year scheme to pay allen weisselberg and others off the books through brazen and blatant means, by creating separate books. allen weisselberg signed checks that paid for his rent. paid for his car, paid for his children's tuition, and it was documented within the trump organization. because it went to his overall salary. but allowed him to avoid playing income tax, and allowed the trump organization to reduce the requirements. so it is clear the manhattan d.a.'s office has overwhelming evidence. they are in possession of a number of tax records and documents, including a spread
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sheet. so i think from a -- if we're going focus narrowly on the charges in this indictment, the manhattan d.a.'s office has the goods, and it appears it's a very strong case. >> joyce vance, attention spans for people who want to cut to the chase and get a preview, please preview the kinds of penalties weisselberg and the company at large are looking at if convicted. >> sure, so the company obviously can't go to prison. so we're talking about fines in that scenario. ultimately, perhaps if the new york attorney general has appetite to do it, she can go after the company arguing that companies are deserving of
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sanction. she has done that. everyone sees there is a strong case against weisselberg. this is not an indictment that can reach the former president. they don't have proof of intent of knowledge of the schemes. the question, if there is something here that will cause him to flip and cooperate down the road. the sentencing would be in low single digits. sometimes the feeling of handcuffs can cause people to change. certainly when people find out their children have exposure to prosecution, that can become a bargaining chip. or it might be u.s. just the case of michael cohen, the mounting legal bills and paying back taxes could cause him to flip. what we don't know is how far it goes after weisselberg and the
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corporation. >> peter, an uninvited co-conspirator. we are left with that mystery. the bottom line, trump himself has not been charged. can you give us an idea what it might mean however for donald trump himself? >> well, we should start remembering how just how unique this event really is. this is not just a company that the president was involved with. this is his career, his family organization. there's no shareholders, no board. this is the trump family. while he himself is not indicted, the trump organization is very, very tightly associated with the former president himself. it's not a distant relationship. it's unique a former president of the united states indicted through his company and call it
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a criminal organization. we should not lose sight of that, but there is also a political angle as well. republicans are saying this is just more persecution. this is just more democrats coming after him, and the new york state attorney general has said, vocally in her campaign, she wanted to go after president trump. you heard donald trump jr. tonight on fox compare it, if you can believe it, to putin jailing alexei navlny, and you hear the left saying they did not go after the president. he personally is not on the hook. wondering whether or not accountable i will end up. if a financial charge really gets at the crux they want to see with the former president scrutinized for. there is a political element here. whether it changes everyone's
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mind about him? hard to say. people have factored it in their view of the president but you will hear it in days to come. >> giving your experience, take us behind the screens. allen weisselberg is alone with list thoughts. what happened starting tonight, over the weekend, if there is a mod movie made about it, i would be compelled to ask. is there there anything barring a third party from transmitting a message to weisselberg? >> on the the laws of obstruction of justice and witness tampering will bar donald trump from trying to influence weisselberg one way or another. the one thing that people need to remember, this is not a surprise to weisselberg.
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it's pretty clear the d.a.'s office wanted his cooperation, and targeted him as the linchpin as the individual who would know the most and the finances and the one most likely to know whether former president trump or any of his children were involved in this scheme or perhaps some of the other fraud allegations they have been investigating. but this is not new today to allen weisselberg. when he goes to sleep said, he will say, i called their bluff. i chose not to cooperate, and this is where i'm going be. but i think what he's banking on, because the new york state sentencing laws in white collar cases are relatively lenient, he is not likely to face that much jail time, and he will wait to see the evidence, they have to
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turn over in 45 days and he will start to make decisions, whether there are any motions he can file, or whether he wants to try to work out a guilty plea short of cooperation, or if he wants to cooperation. if he knew what he was facing, and he chose not to, i don't think the handcuffs today or tonight when he goes to sleep, knowing that he's been arrested, i don't think that's going to change his calculus. what might change his calculus if there are additional witnesses and charges that will ratchet up the prison time. that is the leverage that will force him to cooperate. >> endlessly interesting. joyce vance, i want to read you a quote from susan. peter baker knows well. she writes, donald trump's
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kritdices have harbored a persistent fantasy, that there would be one definitive moment this he would be finally be to the accountable he deserves. each new trump crisis, and there were many, offered a hope to some unambiguous to trump. it never happened. susan describes perhaps our viewing audience tonight. what is the chance this event would lead to real consequences for mr. trump? >> i think we're in a tough spot to evaluate that. but i think susan makes a really important point. there will be an extraordinarily low ebb of confidence in the justice system, if there is no accountability for the president, who engaged in -- that left him from having any
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real consequences. he was never held accountable. he spent the last four years shielded by the presidency, and now that protection has slipped away, he becomes vulnerable. there are proceeders in georgia, including the call he made soliciting election fraud. we saw in the mueller report, we saw an effort to say, obstruction of justice is not important. it's just a process. obstruction, it's not important. well, last week we heard trump lawyers say this is just fringe benefit stuff. nobody gets charged for fringe benefits, it's not important, and now it turns out we can see the indictment, and it's not
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just fringe benefits. this is 15 years of engaging in tax evasion. and giving them apartments and cars and benefits and they cheated on their taxes to avoid doing that. so if you're a business owner, you get how wrong that is. you don't get to that in your business. vp your house paid for and claim it as a tax deduction. at bottom, what the president's name sake company was doing was a pattern of fraud, having it cheating. and having it revealed if he is prosecuted, and the attorney general and the d.a. put on the evidence, that is a come uppance of some sort. >> peter baker, the other great writer in the two great writer
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house hold. you covered donald trump for a long time. what are people about to learn about how the trump business was run, where they will see obvious and immediate parallels to how the trump west wing was run? >> well, look, i think there's been a long history here and a long record in the business world that was examined before the 2016 election, and more in the four years since. i mean, we have seen it as a business that has been successful in a lot of ways, and other ways has cut corners. this is a president who as a businessman, didn't pay contractors, and was sued thousands of times before people who said they owed him money. who went bankrupt, who boasted when he had casinos, he came out with lots of money. we have seen in four years, the
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excavation of his taxes. my colleagues have gotten ahold of his tax returns and discovered a pattern of reporting that looks like evasion of taxes at the very least, and perhaps something illegal. long before today, we knew this was a business that played it on the edge, at the least. with e see today a concrete example of that, where the rules don't apply. the rules don't aplay to other businesses they with nor taken seeshzly in the last 15 years in one instance, by the person who want on to be our president. whether the consequences -- what it will lead to down the road, those are the real questions at the moment. i think the story of course is not quite ending. >> we are indebted to these
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three guests on this thursday night. explaining everything to us in great detail tonight. peter baker, daniel goldman, joyce vance, our thanks. coming up, the man who was the nation's lead lawyer before the u.s. supreme court standing by to weigh in on the future of voting rights. and why kevin mccarthy is not happy about a member of his own party agreeing to join the party that is going to investigation january 6th. all of it as the 11th is just getting under way on a preholiday weekend, thursday night. ay night. nd's got his moves back. an alternative to pain pills voltaren is the first full prescription strength gel for powerful arthritis pain relief... voltaren the joy of movement i don't feel sick why should i cure my hepatitis c? how can i handle one more thing?
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this is only the tip of the iceberg, when it comes to the multitude of illegalities the district attorney is currently looking at. and i think it's wrong for us to assume this is it. this is the big surprise. look, we're going to get allen wieselberg. it's not allen weisselberg they're looking for. >> interesting point there, the prediction from former trump organization employee and lawyer michael cohen. the trump organization and cfo have pleaded not guilty to tax charges. back with us is neil cottiel. who has organized dozens of cases before the supreme court. let's start with the trump
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matter. with the prediction michael cohen just made, what do you make of what came down today? >> i think that michael cohen is absolutely right. the prosecutors here are looking for something bigger than this. what people don't talk about, these charges are against the trump organization, which donald trump ran as president, branded with his name, and they are not minor charges. they allege about a million dollars in taxes not being paid. it's like a million dollar heist, and the justice department does a five minute google search, and you will see the justice department puts people in jail for five years for tax evasion like that. this isn't minor. it's something that is probably used as leverage to try to get allen weisselberg to flip. it guys without saying, donald trump's business was labelled a criminal organization,
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essentially. >> i want to pivot to the supreme court today. this decision upholding voting restrictions in arizona. came down along party lines and i know it's considered gross and undignified to use the term party lines when we talk about the supreme court. and everybody knows the score on the court. here is kagan from her dissent. what is tragic here is the court has rewritten in order to weak an statute that stands as a monument to america's greatness. what, neil, did they do to the voting rights act? we look at the supreme court as the ultimate remedy to issue
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where rights are concerned. >> may profoundly under mined the voting rights act. it was around from 1965, before i was born. one was section five, and said if you're a state that discriminates, and you are trying to change your voting rules, you have to get it cleared by a court in washington, d.c., or the justice department. the court upheld that section of the voting rights action only a few years later to reverse course and strike it down. that was the first big strike on the voting act. today unfortunately is the second. they reached section two, that allows people to sue if they find a voting practice that is discriminatory. and what they said, congress used clear language trying to
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expand access to the ballot, and you have six justices saying, no, you have to read it far more narrowly, undoing much of what the provision is about. >> final question, where do you look as a memdy f we can agree that anything less than making sure all barriers are clear, making sure all americans can vote where do you look for a remedy to all the state laws being passed? >> i mean, our founder has put congress in the driver's seat, after the 15th amendment that gave congress power to enforce it by appropriate legislation, and the votings rights act was reauthorized with a 98-0 vote in the senate this is the essence of what america is.
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and right now there are bills pending on the floor like the john lewis voting act and hr-1, whatever it is. there's a bunch of different bills out there that could solve this problem, and right now, we've got to do something. because there is an unprecedented assault on voting in the country. and dozens of laws to restrict people's right to vote. i look to congress. they've got to do it. >> 98-0 vote in the u.s. senate. that i would like see in the year 2021. neil cottiel. thank you for being our gegs. coming up, one republican member of congress. a colorful reaction he had about the 1/6 committee when we come back. gillette proglide. five blades and a pivoting flexball designed to get virtually every hair on the first stroke. so you're ready for the day with a fresh face for a fresh start.
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the decision to name republican liz cheney to the house 1/6 commission has the minority leader in a spot. this morning, punch bowl news -- they cover the hill -- had warned that kevin mccarthy had warned if any republican accepts an appointment from pelosi, another, who gives an expletive.
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where i'm from, there is a world choice to put in there, local customs may vary. you can welcome michael steel, former lieutenant governor of the state of maryland and host of the michael steele broadcast, and mark mckinnon, he is of course among the co-hosts, the star of the circus on show time. good evening to you both. mark, here is mr. mccarthy who once said from the well of the house on live television, we have tape of it, that trump bore responsibility, and there should be a fact finding mission. now he wants us to forget us. what is he scared ofs now? >> his goal is to be speaker in 2022 and for the republicans to take the house.
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he's scared of donald trump and the power he has and the political power he still retains. let me remind the viewers, brian, when the commission was initially proposed, the viis said we said we don't about a partisan committee. the democrats said you can have all the things you ask for, and the republicans said, no thank you. now they are getting a committee that will have subpoena power over which they have no say, and so they will regret it, and they will have liz cheney on there, and putting the law and her country first, and also will draw the line at real partisan behavior that could go on in the subpoena process. >> let me ask a quick follow-up, liz cheney, and kessinger, are
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the republicans that get democrats excited, fulfilling them with hope. do they still match your definition in the year 2021 of republicans? >> well, there are not many people who meet my definite of republican. i am a passionate conservative who was drawn in by george w. bush. there are two members of the republican party who mirror my definition, that is kessinger and liz cheney. i believe it's clawed its way to the bottom. thank god for cheney and kissinger for hanging in there and ringing the bell. >> i have a reading for you from the book of max boot, an op-ed in the washington post.
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you would think the shock of being changed through the halls of the cal toll might have brought republican members of congress to their senses. but it's nearly six months later, and the party is just as better, to mark's point, and in fact, it may be worse than ever. also to mark's point. i have asked you in various forms over the past several months. can anything shake the party out of this flat earth mind set? >> not a this time. it's sobering. it's disappointing. it's hard. to acknowledge that. but not at this time. you know, to mark's point, they feel donald trump and trumpism probably more so. trumpism, than that mob, that came banging on the doors looking for the head of the vice president, seeking their own
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blood. so i think for a lot of americans, now becomes a very sobering period of reflix, as the pro sess of the 1/6 commission gets under way, and i agree with you that liz cheney will play a number of roles on the commission. the least of which will make sure that it's honest in its deliberations and assessment, and efforts to get to the bottom line. but it also i think affords the american people a chance to evaluate going into the up coming elections in fall and next year, do we really want these guys running the country? do we really want kevin mccarthy to be the speaker of the house after what we witnessed of his leadership? excuse me, of his actions? because, baby, that ain't leadership. right? do we really want the
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fecklessness of the republican senate who want handle its own words to the 1/6 event. i think this is a sobering moment. we as citizens need to get busy about it. right now, the calculation on the republican side is, we got this, baby. we got the house next year, because the numbers work for us. well, voters still have to vote, and you still have to account for what you did, and failed to do over the course of the last year, so sobering is the word for me at this moment, and i think it's an important time for us to reflect on exactly the leadership we want going forward. >> voters have a funny way of making up their own minds, provided they can get to the polls, and they require a water
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wall in line. i'm going to fit in a break. coming up, it's been a while. instead of name calling, compliments across party lines. we saw it in that moment in florida today. political types on both sides quickly took note. so did our two guests.
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careful, governor, i know someone who wouldn't like this. #grat constitute michael, it reminded him by chris christie, his state decimated by hurricane sanity, hugged the president, and he got dragged for it. there was a ton of social media traffic today. so much for desantis 2024. but can he run if he gets permission from trump? >> tell me how the equation changes, unless he is able to change the equation. some of the polling, the preference polling among active republicans, trump republicans, shows desantis has carves out a
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nice niche for himself, and making the most of it. he is sew showing bravado, and leadership in his state. there is a dynamic here. since trump is a resident of the governor's state, it's so rich to watch him sitting there with joe biden to his left, and thank you, mr. president. there is no bureaucracy, you are responding to our needs, and people have an image of the president throwing paper towels and toilet people to those. so there is a contrast, and kudos, have fun with it. guess what. when the shoe drops, it's probably going to land on your head. >> mark mckinnon, same question.
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nikki hayley is on this list who has fallen all over herself with trump looming in the back grund. there is a lost list of people who want the job, and one guy they have to go through to get it. >> this is a fascinating dynamic with desantis and trump. desantis, any of the governors, in the country, owes his election to donald trump. he hugged me as tight as you can, and had commercials with kids building the wall. so the interesting dynamic now, there is a lot of preference polls that have desantis ahead of trump. you know that has to be driving trump crazy, and republicans think that desantis is a better version of trump. he has feistiness, but he is trump with brains, trump with
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empathy. he is a guy who can get along. they could be two guys running against each other in 2024. >> what a scenario you lay out for us. gentlemen, by way of thanking you for coming on tonight, allow me to wish you both a safe vaccinated celebration of independence day, our holiday weekend. michael steele, mark mckinnon have been our guests tonight. coming up, sadly the numbers in this country are beginning to confirm about the fears about this covid variant, now surging in other parts of the world, and the concern is for the unvaccinated across the u.s. y jobs. it's time to inspire, to hire, to build.
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as previously mentioned, the july 4th holiday weekend is suddenly upon us. and for all the millions of americans who are so eager with good reason to celebrate a fourth of july weekend like we used to pre-pandemic style, for the president, there is likely some disappointment as we are going to miss his target of having 70% of adults in our country vaccinated fully by this weekend. and it's a public health issue because of the spread of this delta variant, among the unvaccinated. our report on all of it tonight from tom costello. >> reporter: after months of progress in dramatically slowing the spread of covid, tonight, trouble, a 10% increase in new cases in just one week. 25% of those linked to the new delta variant, that the cdc
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director says will be the dominant variant. >> it's clear that communities where people remain unvaccinated are communities that are vulnerable. >> 67% of americans 18 and older have received a the least one shot, many states, the south and midwest, are below that mark. those are the lowest vaccination rights, alabama, wyoming, the virgin islands, louisiana and mississippi. in 1,000 counties where the new covid variant is spreading. 43-year-old josh's decision not to get vaccinated nearly killed him. hoe was rushed to a hospital in houston, and required a double lung transplant to save his life. i had to say good-bye to my parents and family and son. that is something you should never have to do. hoe was released after nearly
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four months in the hospital. the cdc results 99.5% of covid deaths in all people who have not been vaccinated. >> the science is clear. the best way to protect yourself against the virus and its variants is to be fully vaccinated. >> vaccination rights are low in 18 to 26 year olds. a reason challenges are requires students to get shots. >> again, it turns out not getting vaccinated brings consequences. coming up for us, this statue was unveiled in the uk today. the news had to do with two men who did the unveiling.
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throne. the other n california, and cut off entirely by choice from the royal family he was born into. we are lead "the new york times" account of the day. sundered by adult corrals, they came together briefly in the sunken garden at kensington palace, a woman whose sudden death 24 years hay go ended their turbulent history in the royal family, and "the new york times" goesen to say, this was no organize zigs.
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and they described the royal life as a guilted prisoned and said that family members had guided views on mental health. with that, after the 30-minute ceremony, harry flew west to his new home in california, leaving behind the kingdom of his birth, presided over by his grandmother, until it's passed over to his father. it's unknown if all this hurt will help modernize what some people see a high bound institution, what is the subject of so much interest and curiosity around the world. that is our broadcast for this thursday night. and our best for a safe holiday weekend. on behalf of all the colleagues at nbc news, good night.
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>> leona holmes lee? remember her she went to prison, she was a multibillion actual multi billionaire for real, she was president of the hotel line which was a high end luxury group of two or three dozen hotels including the park lane in new york city and the palace. she, herself, appeared in ads for some of her hotels. bragging about how rich she was and how exacting she was and how she needed absolutely the best service and all the most luxurious stuff, and so she


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