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right since no one's really sure if it's legal. but it's certainly not in the best interests of south dakotans. kristi noem, for offering up the national guard as mercenaries, you, my dear, are tonight's absolute worst. that's tonight's "reid out." tonight on "all in." >> without access to the ballot box, people are not in the position to protect any rights. >> they roll back more of the voting rights act making it harder to vote and easier to buy an election. then -- >> i'm honored to be on this committee. we have an obligation to have a thorough, sober investigation of what happened leading up to january 6th. >> we now know who will investigate the insurrection as
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a new documentary reveals just how much we still don't know. one of the select committee members, congressman jamie raskin joins me tonight. the 15 page indictment lace out tax fraud. as climate change gets cut from the bipartisan bill, exxon lobbyist reveals just who he's talking to. >> joe manchin, i talk to his office every week. he is the king maker and he's not shy about sort of staking his claim early and completely changing the debate. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. it has been a very, very news day on this july 1st. lots of moving pieces. today has shown above all else a big take away from today. what unifies the american right in this moment and why it is so dangerous, although we should
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start with one of the big headlines today which is about disunity among republicans, of which there is also funding. liz cheney of wyoming, conservative royalty, super conservative by every voting metric, has one fault in the eyes of her fellow conservatives that she just states the obvious truth, that donald trump lost the election, he lied about it, lied about losing it, and whipped up a violent insurrection and an attack on american democracy and came close utter disaster. because she is not willing to lie, she was run out of congressional leadership at the instructions of donald trump. house minority leader kevin mccarthy, you may remember, called the white house on january 6th begging trump to call off his thugs only to be told according to multiple reports, well, kevin, i guess they love their country more than you do. good thing the mob didn't find him and beat him to death.
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now that congresswoman cheney has accepted a position, mccarthy as trump's stooge claiming he is not. >> i'm not making any threats about committee assignments, but as you know how congress works, if a person is a republican, they get their committee assignments from the republican conference. for somebody to accept committee assignments from speaker pelosi, that's unprecedented. i was shocked that she would accept something from speaker pelosi. it would seem to me since i didn't hear from her, maybe she's closer to her than us. i don't know. >> now the idea liz cheney is closer to speaker pelosi than kevin mccarthy is ridiculous. it's especially ridiculous on the one thing that republicans care about more than anything, the law of democracy, who gets
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to vote. there is full and total unanimity on that issue across all factions. >> you don't see any linkage between donald trump saying the election is stolen and then republicans in all of the state legislatures rushing to put in place the restrictive voter laws? >> i think you have to look at the specifics of each one of those efforts. i think everybody should want a situation and a system where people who ought to be able to vote and have the right to vote can vote and people who, you know, don't shouldn't. i come back to things like voter i.d. >> what are they solving for? what are all these states doing? >> no -- well, each state is different. >> what problem are they solving for? we saw that same unshakeable unity across the totality of the caucus last week, remember? when every single last republican senator, romney, susan collins, they all lined up
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to say, no, we don't need federal oversight of elections and they filibustered the for the people act, the voting rights legislation. today we saw it from the supreme court. the other branch of our government the conservative movement has taken over. the court made a bunch of surprising and interesting decisions throughout this term, today they reverted to party lines. all six conservative republican appointed justices uniting to uphold voting restrictions in arizona that would disproportionately affect voters of color and that's because making it harder for people to vote, particularly people of color and young people, is the thing that the conservative movement is animated right now. it is what they are radicalizing on. today the conservatives used their majority in the supreme court to further weaken the voting rights act. the single piece of legislation in this country's history that functionally turned america into a democracy after the 15th amendment was essentially gutted
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by southern white terrorism. in 1965 president linden johnson signed the voting rights act into law. it prohibited state and local governments from denying citizens the right to vote based upon their race. the 15th amendment had done that but it erected an entire structure to ensure that right was preserved. it was reauthorized multiple times. most recently in 2006 by an overwhelming bipartisan vote in the house and a unanimous vote in the senate. senator mitch mcconnell then the majority whip got every republican to vote for it, even took to the floor and spoke in favor of it. >> members of congress realize that this is a piece of legislation that has worked and one of my favorite sayings that many of us use from time to time, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and this is a good piece of legislation that has served an important purpose over many, many years. this landmark piece of legislation will continue to make a difference, not only in
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the south but for all of america and for all of us, whether we're african-americans or not. >> so how could you not reauthorize the voting rights act? if it ain't broke, don't fix it. it's worked for everyone. the voting rights act is has made american democracy american democracy. it's part of the national cannon. the heroes of the civil rights movement who fought and died for it, they are celebrated. to this day they shed their own blood to make america a true democracy for all. people like lamar smith and he was shot dead by a white man in broad daylight on a courthouse law in 1955 and people like edgar evers, he was shot, killed, murdered in his own home in 1963. people like john lewis who led a group of people across the edmund pettis bridge in selma in 1965 and who was brutally beaten
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within inches of his life. are you going to be on the side of those with dogs and fire hoses? you can't be against the voting rights act without desecrating the martyrs who fought for it unless you're john roberts. the conservative unelected chief justice of the supreme court. he doesn't have to have any voters vote for him, right? a lifetime appointment. in 2019 they invented a new principle to gut the voting rights act called preclearance. it had discriminatory voting practices. roberts could do that without any political consequences. in fact, he came up with this tortured ruling. the formula congress came up with to figure out who got preclearance was indefensible. it offended the sovereign dignity of states and he gave his fellow conservatives plausible deniability. he didn't say, congress, you fix it.
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yeah, law's still good. congress, fix it. but he knew what he was doing. smart people. he knew republicans wouldn't do anything to revive the law. he dumped the body on the doorstep. what did we see? a wave of voter restriction. it would have been stopped crucially. it would have had to go through preclearance if roberts and the conservatives on the court hadn't gutted it. that was the first wave. we've seen it exacerbated and turbo charged from the big lie, the first interruption of a peaceable transfer of power in years. passing restrictive voting laws on the fictitious predicate of widespread fraud. solutions in search of a problem. then came this challenge to arizona's supreme court. the law requires election officials to throw away ballots cast at the wrong precinct.
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you have two voting areas, two places to vote, you go to the wrong one, vote there, woops, it gets thrown out. it makes it a crime for anyone to collect and deliver ballots to polling places other than family members. we know this had a disparate impact. they found tossing ballots cast in the wrong precinct has the effect of undercounting minority votes by a factor of 2 to 1. allowing someone else to drop off a ballot is particularly important for indigenous communities in arizona. today the supreme court's conservative majority said all of that stuff is fine. i could give you the legal reasoning but here's the real reasoning. they and all other parts of the right are working in tandem against america's multi-racial democracy. now donald trump's version of that is more vulgar, cringe inducing whipping up a mob to go beat up cops and chant hang mike pence and storm the capitol and
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go marauding to find people to beat to death. no, the polite way to do it, the way to do it if you're credentialed or you're mitch mcconnell, the polite way is to cultivate elite lawyers at the federalist society who become judges, justices, they get nice op eds about how collegial they are. then you bring those lawsuits and those justices chip away at it. a snip here, cut there, death by 1,000 blows until they have functionally done away with the single most important law in history. we did this once before. the 15th amendment and it got killed. the only reason the voting rights act was necessary is because a successful effort to gut the 15th amendment. now we're watching them gut the voting rights act. it's not the first time, people. that's because multi-racial democracy is the thing conservatives are mobilizing and
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radicalizing against across every single faction of the party. we have the president and director of the naacp defense fund. she serves on president biden's commission on the supreme court and she joins me now. cheryl lynn, i think people expected a bad ruling today. i think they expected something like what we saw in the bromvich case. the arizona voting law. what's your reaction to the ruling by the court? >> well, i would be lying if i said i was surprised by the outcome. i will say, however, i was surprised by the audacity of the opinion. i think justice kagan got it right when she said the court -- the majority rewrote a statute that has been a monument to american greatness. i was listening to your opening, chris. you really cannot even begin to talk about this country as a true democracy until 1965. true democracies do not keep
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citizens -- eligible citizens from participating in the political process because of their race. until the voting rights act is passed until 1965, we are not a true democracy. that means we're 56 years as a true democracy. in 2013 it effectively gutted section 5 of the act and now the dismantling of section 2. when i seau das city, i mean the actual rewriting of the history and of the standards used in these cases for decades. i began my career in 1988 as a voting rights lawyer. the first thing i was given was the senate report that accompanied the passage of the voting rights act and in that senate report were the factors that were set forth that were to be used to evaluate cases under section 2, the totality of the
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circumstances test. while purporting not to overturn that, justice alito writes his own test, own five-factor test. unmoored from the text of the statute. unmoored from the intentions of congress. that's what i mean by the audacity. the voting rights act is regarded as the most effective, most important civil rights statute ever enacted and today what the supreme court did to it is just shameful. >> there's a passage in the majority opinion which is authored by samuel alito who i think with roberts and others on the conservative majority have been licking their chops on this thing. where he says, if there's disparate impact here because there's disparate levels of wealth or access or mobility of minority/non-minority groups, what are you going to do? you could come up with a neutral rule. if minority/non-minority groups have disparate situations, you'll have disparate impacts.
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yes, that's why they came up with literacy tests during jim crow. the literacy was disparately shared by the population so they could neutrally test for that and get the desired racial disparity they want. >> when georgia enacted the omnibus suppression law months ago, i was in a lot of these conversations. people said, well, the law on its face. i had to remind them. the poll tax was also facely neutral. the literacy test was facely neutral. they knew what the result was going to be. remember the grandfather clause that said you could vote in places in oklahoma was able to vote in 1850. whose grandparents were able to vote in 1850? black people? no. the idea of disparate impact that this happens is so outrageous. chris, this was explicitly referred to in the senate
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report. it has been recognized -- it was recognized by congress that these are the kinds of laws, these facially disparate laws that were meant to be attacked by section 2. essentially what the majority does is ignore congress again. first it ignored congress in the shelby county decision by ignoring the record congress had accumulated to rewrite the voting rights act of 2006. now they've gone back to ignore congress in enacting the voting rights act in the amendments and supplanted a view that several members of this court have long held about the voting rights act, in particular section 2 for many years. now they've had the chance to codify it into a supreme court decision. >> caroline eiffel, who is one of the great resources on this, thank you so much for making time with us. >> thank you, chris. i want to bring in ari berman, senior reporter of "give us the ballot, the modern
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struggle for voting rights in america." so much to talk about here. i want to start just taking a step back. roberts strikes down a california law that requires nonprofits to disclose their donors to the state tax board as an essentially facial violation of the first amendment of the constitution making it hard for dark money to flow and you take shelby county and this, the get the totality. make it harder for voters and easier for donors. >> that's absolutely right, chris. that is really the slogan for the roberts court. making it easier to buy elections and harder to vote for them. and it was really fitting that they came at the same time because one of the rights the roberts court is concerned about? they're worried about the rights of dark money groups, keep their donor secret and they're worried about the rights of states to be able to suppress voters, not the rights of voters who are facing
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discrimination. that was a complete inverse of what the voting rights act was supposed to do, chris. as you know, the voting rights act was supposed to protect minority voters facing suppression in places like georgia and alabama. now the roberts court led by sam alito in this opinion, we are going to protect the rights of states to pass whatever voter suppression laws we want even if there's no evidence of voter fraud they're intending to resolve. we're going to dramatically raise the bar for the kind of minority suppression to win these cases in the future. >> i want to read a section because you've done so much reporting on this. it is so key to understanding that while donald trump and his cronies have the most cringe inducing version of voter fraud that the ghost of hugo chavez turned the election, that fraud plays a crucial role in the
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intellectual structure from everyone from mcconnell, alito and trump. here's alito. fraud can affect the outcome of an election. fraud can also undermine public confidence in the fairness of elections. heavens to betsy. the perceived legitimacy in the outcome. yes. you see how important the work of voter fraud is so that alito can use it to justify these kinds of laws. >> yeah. this opinion by alito is really the institutionalization of the big lie and of the myth of voter fraud over the past two decades. in shelby county john roberts invented a principle, equal sovereignty of the states while alito took the republican playbook about lying about voter fraud. he said a state can do whatever it wants if it tries to stop voter fraud, even if there is no voter fraud. if minority voters face all of these burdens, that's not enough
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to strike down these voter suppression laws. he's enacting all of these new tests that minority voters have to show to strike down discriminatory voting laws while basically giving states carte blanche to suppress voters as long as they point to some perceived threat of fraud, even if there is no fraud, which is exactly what donald trump said in 2020. there's fraud going on, i know it. find 11,780 votes. it was all bs. but now that bs is literally led to samuel alito rewriting the voting rights act. >> that's exactly, exactly right. ari berman, a must-read on this topic. thank you so much. >> thanks so much, chris. like i said at the top, today was a huge news day on time of the seismic supreme court ruling, there are criminal charges against the trump organization and one of trump's longest serving executives, allen weisselberg. we'll talk about what is in the
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cam footage. what's amazing about it, if you watch it, i really recommend you do, it finally gives you a sense of the scale and the placement of the danger of the mop that stormed the capitol and tried to overturn the presidential election. watching it allowed me the first time to weave together time and space to understand what was happening when and where. give an example what i'm talking about. we're going to pick up the video just after capitol officer eugene goodman, that famous police officer led the rioters away from the senate chamber. >> first we go to the crypt in the center of the capitol below the rotunda. the mob is already at its entrance. if they get through here, they will more easily fan out across the building. rioters jostle with police here for six minutes and then flood through.
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it's now 2:24 p.m., some 90 minutes after the siege began, and the mob is about to overrun the building. >> stop the steal. stop the steal. >> as this is happening and as thousands more sweat outside, trump composes a tweet, not to calm his supporters but to blame his vice president. he writes, mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution. at this very time pence and his family are being taken to safety along with an aide who's carrying the country's nuclear launch equipment. ♪♪ ♪♪ >> at 2:25 p.m. there's another major breach on the opposite side of the building, the east side. rioters have been battling a handful of officers at these
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doors for almost half an hour. the tide turns when rioters who came through the crypt reached through the doors and pulled them open. then an active duty marine officer keeps the door open for the mob to flood in. >> dude, you can't touch that. we are one of you. we are one of you. come on, americans. >> that went on for several more hours resulting in injuries to more than 150 police officers. the deaths. you can understand a few of those deaths much better from the video as well. six months later we are still learning about what happened that day and it is for that reason it is so important to have an investigation, a full one. today we learned the names of the eight members that house speaker nancy pelosi picked to serve on the select committee that will investigate the january 6th insurrection. seven democrats and one republican. jamie raskin, member of the
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select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection, and he joins me now. congressman, i don't know how the selection process worked for this. obviously you were involved in impeachment, but why would you want to serve on this committee? >> well, we've got to see it through, chris. you know, it was a terrible attack not just on the capitol but on democracy itself. it was an attempt to overthrow the electoral college votes and we can never forget inside that violent insurrection fueled by white supremacists desending on washington was a coup and an attempt to coerce mike pence to nullify electoral college votes from the states. all they wanted him to do, they said, was to return and reject those electors coming in from
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arizona, pennsylvania and georgia. that would have lowered joe biden's electoral college vote total below 270 thereby kicking it into a contingent election. they wanted that. in a contingent vote, we vote one state one vote and the gop had 27 states in the bag at that point. so we were not that far from trump actually succeeding and accomplishing that coup. we know michael flynn and other military advisers were asking him to declare martial law. he would have declared martial law to put down the chaos he had unleashed in the congress. >> when you think about what the question -- what the areas of knowns are and unknowns. i am watching this video and
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have a whole bunch of questions that occur. things i feel i have a pretty good sense of and things i don't understand. what are the areas you feel like you don't understand, you really want this commission to get into? >> well, my focus as an impeachment manager, our team is focused on incitement. we think we overwhelmingly documented the president's incitement of an insurrection but to say he incited it leaves open the question of who organized it, who mobilized it and who financed it? what were the structures of power that were in place that allowed for it to actually happen? what were the interactions between the white house, the trump team, roger stone and the 3 percenters, the oath keepers, the proud boys and so on? that's something that never became clear before. there were reports in the middle of our trial about how there were lots of trump campaign employees who were moved over
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from the campaign on to organizing for the rally and the march. we need far more intensive investigation into how that happened. then of course we need an investigation into what we need to do to prevent being over run in the future by violent white supremacists, domestic violent extremists. >> liz cheney, obviously the only republican appointed by the speaker. there are eight of you and kevin mccarthy seems unenthused about appointing others. is it your expectation it will be the eight of you? >> no. right now we're very hopeful that mccarthy will do his duty under this legislation and appoint his members. it is bipartisan right now as you say, but we would like him to -- you know, to do his job and to appoint members. but they have been trying to sand bag this from the beginning, of course.
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we had literally given them everything they wanted. five republicans, five democrats, a 9/11 style outside independent commission with equal subpoena power distributed between the two sides, and they could not take yes for an answer because there are far too many things they don't want america, the world and history to know. we don't even know everything they don't want us to know. >> yeah, that's -- that's what nags me. i will say the one other question i have watching the video is just why -- why and how they were so unprepared? and i know we've looked into that a little bit, but i feel like i still don't have the answer having covered protests in washingt, d.c., having been around protests before, i've never seen anything like the outnumbering of the police that happened there ever in my life in 20 years of reporting on street actions. it's really, really striking particularly with that video. >> yeah. >> congressman -- >> it's pretty -- >> congressman james raskin, i
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hope you guys -- >> i was just going to say is what's astonishing is "the new york times" video that you described, it shows how there were literally thousands of rioters up against five or six police officers in some cases. >> yes. >> so we want to figure out exactly how that happened, make sure that it never happens again and make sure that we're not compromised by donald trump and his attempts to inject this kind of racist extremism directly into the government to try to overthrow democratic institutions. >> congressman jamie raskin who will have his work cut out for him along with the other committee members, thanks for joining us this evening. >> thank you so much, chris. tonight they are here. finally here. indictments, we can read them in the public record. 15 charges against trump org and cfo allen weisselberg. the biggest take away, there could be more to come after this.
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in an absolutely astonishing criminal indictment, allen weisselberg was charged with a massive wide-ranging scheme to cheat on their taxes and defraud the government. according to manhattan district attorney cy vance, the trump organization was compensating execs, including weisselberg, off the books while keeping secret internal records of the compensation as compensation. they allege weisselbergot indirect employee compensation from the trump org from $1.76 million. that includes rent, utility and a lease on two mercedes benz cars used by weisselberg and his wife and private school tuition for two family members. weisselberg failed to report to state and federal tax authorities. when you add it all up, weisselberg dodged at least
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$900,000, almost 1 million bucks in federal, state, city taxes that he got to keep that he should have been paying. the trump org and allen weisselberg pleaded not guilty and are expected back in court in september. as to what happens next in a criminal investigation, what this means for donald trump himself, i'm joined by rebecca royfi who's now a professor at new york law school. rebecca, first just your first line reaction after reading the indictment today. >> this is an incredibly powerful indictment. it's detailed in such a way as it seems like it will be not too difficult to prove and, you know, i think, first of all, this really takes some of the wind out of the sails of that defense, if you can call it a defense, that this is a politically motivated prosecution. this is the bread and butter of the da's office. a case like this is what they
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would pursue. if a business owner were paying his employees to this tune off the books, there is no doubt that the da's office would pursue this absolutely. so i think that the idea that the trump organization lawyers were floating that this was politically motivated because fringe benefits are no big deal is off the table. they'll certainly keep trying that. that's my take on this. i think, you know, the key question that everybody's asking themselves is is this the tip of the iceberg or not? that's another question. >> well, but it also seems -- excuse me. sorry. >> bless you. >> it seems to me that they have him -- again, he's innocent until proven guilty and of course indictments are going to assemble the most damning picture of the facts. we haven't heard the defense weigh in on this. but here's an example that struck me. the trump organization booked cash that they gave to weisselberg as holiday entertainment. we're reimbursing you for holiday entertainment.
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they had internal records that showed this to be compensation. the picture is a very clear and obvious scheme of tax evasion where they basically say, look, you got your taxable compensation and as a bonus we're going to give you all of this untaxed compensation which you don't have to pay taxes on, even though legally you do and that's part of the deal of your total compensation package essentially. >> right. exactly. i mean, so you have to ask yourself, okay, is this scheme designed to benefit weisselberg? was he the person who was supposed to benefit from this? and it seems to me when you ask yourself that question, kind of probably not because this has to be -- you know, especially when you think of all of the other executives that were named in this indictment, this is an organization that's shady at the top. and i think that this -- >> right. >> there's no question in my mind that this is the tip of the iceberg. the question is, is this the
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only tip that the da can prove or can he prove more? because it seems to me that these are such vivid charges and there is -- there were a second set of books and records. there were spreadsheets. it's not like the organization didn't know what it was doing. clearly it did. the next question looming over all of this is to what end? who was benefitting from this? it's hard to think to yourself, this is like the mastermind weisselberg. probably not. the question is, who else was making money off of this? and, you know, like the logical thing is, well, former president trump. the question is can the da prove that? >> right. and we should note a few things. one is weisselberg is not the only executive and there's this from 2005 to the date of the indictment the named defendant and unindicted co-con spiritor number one agreed to and
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implemented the scheme. everyone wanted to know who is unindicted co-con spiritor number one. >> i don't have any idea on that. that's not the only other person mentioned there. there are a bunch of other people mentioned. this is not just one person. these are not just random and small fringe benefits. this is a lot of money as you mentioned before. it's over a long period of time and there are a number of people who are benefitting from it. the question is, you know, why? who? how much? how is this organized? this is the kind of situation where, you know, i do think this was brought to try to put pressure on not just weisselberg but these other officials to cooperate because it's hard to get the person at the top if you can't get somebody to help you out. >> rebecca, thank you so much for joining me. appreciate it. coming up, amazing undercover video. how they worked to undermine climate legislation with the help of 11 crucial senators.
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you're starting to get the death tolls from the record heat in the pacific northwest. oregon health officials said more than 60 deaths have been tied to the heat. washington, more than 20 deaths. the town of lytton in british columbia, 121 degrees burst into flames and is reduced to ash. it doesn't exist. forest fires got so intense the heat itself set off clouds that made their own weather event. when you look at this, two things to keep in mind. one is that right now there's a fight in washington, d.c., over infrastructure legislation with a bipartisan group of senators having struck a deal that cuts out nearly all of the ambitious climate investments and regulation of the biden plan. number two, when you look at canada literally burning, people dieing and climate investments
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being cut out of the bipartisan deal, a big part of all of this, a huge part is the tireless work of fossil fuel companies like exxonmobile to pollute the planet while making billions of dollars and making sure no one can stop them. and one of the chief ways they do that is through lobbyists. they hire professionals in suits who lend their talents to an enterprise that has gotten and will get many, many, many people killed. that's what it's doing. now we have rare video of what that looks like, and they think no one's listening. in a sting set up by greenpeace u.k. members pose as recruitment consultants looking to hire a washington lobbyist. they set up a zoom call with senior exxon lobbyist keith mccoy. they re-created that call with the original footage. here's part of their reporting. >> we're playing defense because president biden is talking about a big infrastructure package and
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he's going to pay for it with corporate taxes. >> who's the crucial guy here? >> senator capito. joe manchin, i talk to his office every week and he he is the king maker on this because he is a democrat from west virginia, which is a very conservative state. he is not shy about staking his claim early and changing it. on the democrat side, we look for the moderates on these issues. manchin, sinema, tester. >> exxon's chief executive said the comments in no way represent the company's position on issues, including climate policy, and our firm commitment that carbon pricing is important to addressing climate change. at another point in the video the lobbiest said they don't believe it. we would love to have the senators here to talk about it.
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in just the last short week, there's a bipartisan infrastructure deal that took out all the climate stuff. temperatures in the northwest hit record highs like 116 in portland, oregon. covid cases are up 10% from last week thanks to the delta variant. we finally have a select committee investigating what happened in the january 6 capitol attack. the supreme court term is over. it took another jab at the voting rights act. the trump organization and its
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cfo were indicted. i want to start with the court's decision today, the january 6 commission on the through line of the fact that you have unanimity on the conservative side about restricting the franchise, bulwarking against democracy and so far the democratic party isn't on the same page about doing everything that needs to be done to reinforce it. >> yeah. it's a peculiar situation. it's frustrating to watch the democrats try to figure out what to do. essentially, they are plang whack-a-mole with voter restrictions all over the country popping up. the republicans are essentially destroying the board. they are destroying the whole thing.
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they blew it up. there's no place to play the game. i think fundamentally, what this is all about, everything is connected. you are right. i wrote a book about that multi-racial coalition that will form the majority of the american electorate of the future. it's also the present. this is happening because arizona went blue. this is happening because georgia went blue. republicans understand the numbers are not on their side going forward, nor in the present in those critical states, including texas, which is closer than they would have wanted. they are implementing a plan to restrict voters -- the votes of voters less likely to vote for them. it doesn't matter if you have the best message if your voters don't have access to the ballot box. >> this comes back to the question of using the power you have. this was the lesson of mcconnell and garland and amy coney audac
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norm. unless you can get manchin and sinema on board for basically majority rule in the senate, 50 votes, to wield the power you have, then you can't wield the power you have. >> maybe we should start lobbying exxonmobile to get them to lobby manchin and sinema. they seem to are more influence. >> can we hire the exxon lobbyist to lobby them? >> that's what the indivisble should do. >> if they believe giving d.c. statehood, getting rid of the filibuster and adding justices would be in their advantage, do you think they wouldn't have done it by now? they would have done it on day one. on january 21st, by 10:00 a.m. this ridiculous democratic party desire to will the ends but not the means. we won't take on the forces that are threatening democrat.
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those images last week of democratic republican senators hugging each other over a bipartisan deal. yeah, our bridges are going to stay up while our democracy dies. what a great tradeoff. >> that was also that sort of dichotomy that we see -- we pointed out this where you can make compromise and where you can't. it's the core issues that are stopping democracy. it is total war of all against all. i thought also that the exxon lobbyist clip -- people should check out the full clip. it's a window into how the folks who work this full-time view it. these people that we view as the fulcrum are getting worked over by the lobbyists with money to dole out and connections to try to steer things away from what
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joe biden proposed. that's the boogie man in the speech. >> i think fundamentally, the american people understand that there is something wrong with this system. it's not that individual members of congress are just quote unquote bad people or mean or something like that. it's not that reductive. it's about the structures in place that limit their ability to do things because their baked in interest is re-election. the dark money groups and exxonmobile funnels money through the groups that keeps these people in power. they have a vested interest in keeping the policies the way they are and deregulating so that they can make more money while we burn, while we die. that is the danger that we are facing here. >> i think also it's important on the last day of the term for liberals to be clear eyed about what this court is and not have any confusion about the majority
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means. >> chris, it's not for liberals to be clear eyed. it's for the liberal court justices themselves. breyer should have announced his retirement. fix the court. >> thanks to have you both on. thank you so much. that is "all in" on this thursday night. good evening, rachel. >> good evening. thank you. much appreciated. thanks at home for joining us. leona helmslee was a billionaire for real. she was president of a hotel high-end luxury group of two or three dozen hotels.


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