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and for this week. with our thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news. good night. s. good night >> tonight, on all in. >> they have ought to investigate adam schiff for looking that information. he should not be leaking information out of intelligence. they ought to investigate adam schiff. >> abuse of power on a scale we may not have seen before. >> this is the type of stuff that vladimir putin does to alexei navalny. >> donald trump's doj is caught spying on political opponents. tonight, what we're learning one day later. the urgent need to hold all of the former president's men accountable. with one of trump's targets, eric swalwell. then as eric garland vows to defend voting rights. is his justice department ready to clean house?
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and what we know about the conspiracy charges from militia members scene with roger stone one day before the insurrection. all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. what do you do when the person who abuses their position of authority? elemental question in the history of human government. a question our country has been confronting persistently since long before donald trump. but even more insistently since his presidency and its aftermath. today, as we did just new revelations about the scope of the abuse of power that occurred under the former president, we're also seeing an answer to that very question. and it comes from republicans. not the ones in the nation's capital. not the ones associated with the exiled chieftain at mar-a-lago. rather comes from a republican party in the state of oregon. the state lawmakers they're confronted the same question that we are confronting in society. the same one that democrats and republicans alike, confronted at the nation's capital on
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january 6th. how to deal with a person who is egregiously abuse their power. a person who has transgressed. and this case, it was one of their own. republican state representative mike nearman was caught on surveillance video opening the door of the capital to let in a mob last december. that mob, which was allegedly upset about coronavirus restrictions in the state, and managed to overcome officers and invade the building. some of them carried guns. and called for the arrests of -- and then another video emerged. in just a few days before the mob breached the capitol, mike merriman explaining how he would let protesters into the building. >> roll set up operation hall pass. which i don't know anything about, if they say i do, i'll deny. but there be some person cell phone which might be -- but that is just random numbers. that's not actual cell phone. if you say, i'm at the west
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entrance, during the session and text that number there, somebody might accidentally -- i don't know anything about that. i do i'm anything to do with that. if i did, i wouldn't say that i did. >> yesterday, mike nearman faced a vote on expelling him from the oregon legislature. given the politics of the republican party right now, i didn't know which way the vote was going to go. just ahead of the vote, nearman defended himself doing his best tucker carson impression. >> you're considering expelling ember for the first time in history. you can see things that people should have access to their capital. especially during session. after the session, we're all going to go out to dinner or stop at the grocery store, or maybe tomorrow will shop and buy clothes, get an oil change. this all these places are hopeful but, not this building. >> oh, your producer getting me because i just want people to be in the capital. that ridiculous excuse didn't
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work. the resolution to expel him passed 59 to 1, with only nearman voting to save himself. he was formally expelled from the oregon legislature. and that is an example of tangible accountability for a wild transgression. and i bring you this story tonight, because it's noteworthy and newsworthy. but also because, boy is it rare. you probably have to go all the way back to richard nixon to find another u.s. president who abused his authority at the scope and scale of donald trump. and richard nixon actually defaced him accountability. he was forced to resign from office, after the house judiciary committee adopted three articles of impeachment against him. and even though each president gerald ford parted him, a wildly unpopular move, many people in richard nixon's orbit were held accountable for their actions. all of these people were prosecuted and served time in the wake of the watergate scandal. look at that. the listing kloots at a water kate burglar, nixon's white house counsel, personal attorney, chief of staff. his attorney general, john
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mitchell. >> given the circumstances, mitchell was in relatively good mood as he arrived at the -- >> all mitchell said was, it's nice to be back in alabama. he is assured of staying in alabama, at least 20 months. that's how long it will be before he's eligible for parole from his sentence. so from two and a half to years. during the time he is here in this minimum security prison, officials say mitchell will be treated the same as any other person or. so, john mitchell, former u.s. attorney general, a swearing prison close now. >> the reckoning in the accountability didn't stop there. across the nature nation, legislatures, to the media, to regular everyday citizens, the civic spirit of the time with that what happened in the nixon presidency little horror firing and our brand, it must be a symptom of a broken system. and that system had to be reformed or fixed unless it happened again. so, an incredible red wave --
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the church committee led by democratic senator frank church. were spying on americans are running roughshod over the law. and 1974, the birth of modern campaign finance reforms after so much of the watergate scandal involved slush funds from shady governors being moved back and forth. in 1978, president jimmy carter signed the new law limiting a good electronic surveillance. the foreign intelligence surveillance act. all of this, this entire structure of regulation and oversight was erected to make sure we could not have another richard nixon. and in the wake of more of relations about the trump presidency, it's hard to say eighths held firm. we clearly need another round of reform. we need more accountability for those who've done wrong. those who've transgress and abuse their authority. we also need to protect our government against future would be donald trump's.
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including this donald trump. that's what the boston globe editorial board is calling for this week. and a new six part series about preserving our democracy called future proofing the presidency. it makes a really strong case about the importance of indicting donald trump, allowing noting that allowing him to go unpunished with sara far more dangerous precedent than having trump stand trial. to reform the presidency so that last for years and never repeated, the country must go beyond passing laws. it must make clear no person, not even the president, is about them. this comes in the wake of the new york times report, yesterday, revealing the prosecutors and the trump justice department subpoenaed apple for data from the accounts of at least two democrats on the house intelligence committee, aides and family members. one was a minor. all told, the records of at least a dozen people tied to the committee were seized in 2017 and early 2018. including those of representative adam schiff, and representative eric swalwell of california. who sent an interview thursday night he'd also been notified his data had been subpoenaed. we know that trump doj also
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secretly seized phone records of reporters at the new york times and cnn, and the washington post. i put a gag order on cnn and the times. when you put all of this together, adam schiff, eric swalwell, intel committee members, staffers presumably on the democratic side, family members, a minor, the new york times, cnn, the washington post -- it reads like an enemies list. right? richard nixon reportedly also kept a list of enemies and use the government to spy on them. let's be clear. the trump administration as far as we know from the reporting we have so far, appears to have gone through the quote unquote proper channels, which is to say the doj issued the subpoenas. he didn't have his henchmen broken into the therapist office. we know how donald trump and the people that follow him behave. which is to say, even if they went through the proper channels, this is almost certainly exactly what it looks like. and now as we consider the revelations, consider that
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there is been neither accountability nor reform for any of the characters in this. and for obvious reasons, we cannot stand. cannot go on like this. the abuses were so great a threat to the countries rule of law, the democratic self governance with so severe. to let it go unrecognized and reckoned with will bring some kind of radicalism. it's honestly just a question of when. the job now of everyone in power, democrats and republicans alike, the we don't have much faith, is to get to the bottom of what happened. to hold people to account across the various areas of wrongdoing and implement the reforms needed to make sure it does not happen again. congressman eric swalwell, member of the house intelligence committee. prosecuted him as an impeachment manager in the second impeachment trial. he says he's one of people whose records were secretly sees. congressman swalwell joins us. now congressman, maybe we should star on the facts of the
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matter here. what were you notified and by whom and when? >> good evening, chris. it was a random may 5th email from apple, that i almost deleted. saying this is a customer service notice that your data was turned over. and i read it and the first thing i did think it was spam. but noted the words department of justice left off the screen. i talked with our house intelligence staff, and of course others had also received the same notice. and we have since learned as the new york times reported, that there were a number of staffers and that congressman schiff and i were targeted. this is not about adam schiff and myself. it's about a president rewarding his friends corruptly, through the department of justice, as he did with michael flynn and roger stone. and punishing his perceived enemies.
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my fear is that he may not have been successful this time in looking up his perceived enemies. but the more corrupt donald trump in the white house, again may not be as patient, and just get the department of justice. and it's processes and just order his lieutenants to lock up his political opponents. >> that's the crux of it. right? we hear this news and this idea that he went through the proper channels. that's both at some level, i guess, there's some check there. but also, disturbing that there were people inside the justice department that went along with this operation. >> that's why support adam schiff's call for inspector general reports. an investigation to understand, not only was this bill barr, jeff sessions and that whitaker? whoever was charged at the time. but rank and file prosecutors went along with this. and under what environment did they not think it was okay to resist having the communication
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records of a coequal branch of government surveilled? i'm not above the law, adam schiff is not above the law. but to me, knowing certainly i never leaked classified information, and there is no reason to believe that i would have, to do this it seems punitive. but it seems as a part of a pattern of donald trump abusing the department of justice to go after his enemies. >> there appears there's going to be an inspector general report. but i want to review the response that senator -- of hawaii said. i headed the tape to tell the other chamber how to conduct its business, but since we are in a 50/50 senate can issue subpoenas on republicans. i respectfully asked the house to not call for investigations of the executive branch, but rather do it themselves. what do you think of that? >> i like senator schatz, i don't think he's off there. but let's see how serious the
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department of justice takes this. i know that chairman schiff and chairman nadler and the speaker, we'll be talking about what we can do. we're we've shown through the two impeachments, a willingness to hold donald trump accountable. again, i just want the public to recognize this is not a 500 year flood. donald trump is not going to be reinstated august. he's running freely reelection in 2024. you have a number of wannabe donald trump's, who are just as corrupt and probably more confident. so, if we don't take steps to make sure this doesn't happen again, we could really see the erosion, the complete erosion of the rule of law in our country. >> there's also an incredible irony here. and i think an important one. it harkens back to acing and that monologue about rebalancing power. right? which was a huge part of what that nixon, post nixon era look like. there was this moving power ballots from congress the executive. but there's irony here which is
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having already secretly subpoenaed members of congress and their staff, and acquiring their data, when the house subpoenaed the donald trump and people in his orbit, they basically successfully stalled four years in court. essentially got the supreme court to more or less ratify a gutting of that house subpoena power. while the executive was able to just go in and get the phone records from apple. >> that's a great point, chris. they put themselves as a coequal branch on higher ground than us. and they stymied our investigation. >> yes. >> it did on the grand with the russia report. as we are seeing with other investigations, we're still waiting for the supreme court rulings. also, donald trump as he was projecting against adam schiff, calling him a leaker, it was actually we learn in the donald again transcripts it was don mcgahn with respect to the russia investigation, who was leaking. while this was a national security investigation, the
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real national security concerns were what was michael phil flynn talking about with the russians. and what was donald trump doing with himself and his family with the russians. i will defend, to the day-by-day, the investigation that we did on russia. that showed that donald trump planned for, benefited from, i received help from the russians. his response to that is, as i said, punitive. it was retaliatory. i don't think he's going to stand the constitutional and legal scrutiny that better come upon it soon. >> congressman eric swalwell. thanks for making time for us. >> my pleasure, thanks chris. >> matt -- is the editorial for boston globe. that says quote. there's only one way left to restore deterrence and convey to future presidents that the rule of law applies to them. the justice department must ban in two centuries of tradition by indicting and prosecuting donald trump for his conduct in
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office. nick ackerman served as an assistant watergate prosecutor where he specifically investigated president nixon's abuse of federal agencies to go after people on his enemies list. let me start with you. i like what you guys are doing. i like the clarity of the call here. why did you take this? why are you writing this and why do you think it's important? >> look chris, as it stands right now to paraphrase a certain hollywood access video, the message to the eight american people is if you are president, when your president elect you do it and buy it i mean break the law, abuse the power of the presidency to enrich yourself and your family, obstruct investigations into foreign interference in u.s. elections, undermine u.s. intelligence, incest there has been no accountability, there's been no
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reform that addresses would donald trump did in office and really the weaknesses he exposing the foundation in our democracy in the constitution, in the system of checks and balances the fact that impeachment does not prove itself -- in a politicized republican party willing to protect him in the senate, and failing to remove him. the question for the country that we wanted to address in the series, the question we wanted to put before the country is are we going to learn the hard truths of the trump presidency and make the new reforms, is conquer its going to make the new reforms? is the doj going to bring charges against donald trump and prosecuted him for the egregious abuse of power, for the loss he broke while in the oval office? or are we going to leave our democracy vulnerable to would be dictators? >> i think that is precisely the question this sort of answer comes from a variety of different corners of american
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institutional landscape. nick, you live this and i did not and i have read a lot about it and like reading a lot about it. my first thought was look this does feel nixonian, tax would be adjective was made for. putting in context, when you were seeing back then and your reaction to learning about what the justice department is here now is? >> this seems like a repeat of history. this all started, i mean, basically with an obsession by richard nixon on leaks that were going on, just like with donald trump with leaks about michael flynn and his national security adviser and one who's going on with comey. it all started the same way, richard nixon was obsessed with other individuals and this led to them actually take action in
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investigations that morphed into really going after their enemies in trying to put together what was supposed to be a legitimate investigation, turned into, essentially a political hunt to try and find dirt on their opponents. that is what richard nixon wind up doing he use the arrest to do that, he used other federal agencies, there were some bureaucrats that were able to stand up to him and he didn't do what he said much like mcgahn who basically told trump i'll do it i'll take care of it, but he didn't do anything. there were people who did do things. obviously, here, they were subpoenas that were served. there was information that was gathered, and it's pretty clear that his attorney trying to roll after sessions, the first attorney general, decided not to do anything and trump
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prevailed on barr to resurrect this investigation, into continued to get information from apple about the two congressman and trump clearly had a vendetta against them. that really does have to be accountability here. >> bina, tunics points here, nick has been in a bunch of federal agencies, and one of the things that comes out of this in the church committee is a scale of the secret state and the surveillance state and all the ways that it can get into americans lives, here it seems like the point of it is the justice department. the thing were flirting dangerously with as a president who says, go prosecute all those people, go put my political enemies in jail. it didn't quite happen but that's the red line that we have edged very close towards?
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>> quite a few red lines, i would say certainly that and certainly the abuse of the pardon power to -- who obviously didn't cooperate with federal prosecutors, who lied to federal prosecutors. also abusing the power of the presidency to enrich himself and his family, while that wasn't in and of itself a threat to democracy, the nepotism involved in that presidency and the lack of checks exposed, ages deeply exposed problems with the norms that we have and even the existing laws that we have as checks on the presidency when we're not willing to enforce those norms, we're not willing to enforce those laws. i think the lesson of the church committee ought to be adopted here which is to say that congress ought to look systematically, and this is with the globe editorial series lays out, in all the different ways that existing laws need to be shored up, new laws need to be articulated and particularly a bullet accountability needs to be delivered in the justice
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system for donald trump and more of his colleagues. >> bina venkataraman and nick ackerman, thank you both so much that was great. >> thank you. >> whatever we do about the crimes of trump while he was in office, they're still an ongoing situation in the department of justice, like every day. who knows how many people were involved in this corrupt leak investigation, so what needs to be done to clean the house? next. ouse next rom within. it drives you. and it guides you. to shine your brightest. as you charge ahead. illuminating the way forward. a light maker. recognizing that the impact you make, comes from the energy you create. introducing the all-electric lyriq. lighting the way. ♪ ♪
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the trump justice department's investigation into democratic representative, staffers has already triggered blow back from both inside and outside that department. less than 24 hours after the story was first reported the doj office and expected general announced that it will review the matter while chuck schumer and judiciary committee dick durbin threatened to subpoena former attorneys trying to roll william bars and jeff sessions to testify before the congress about the investigations. the thing is according to the new york times, for doj officials who are involved in briefings about the hunt for leakers are still in the justice department. that is not lost on one of the targets of the whole thing, congressman adam shift. >> we i think that the attorney general has an obligation to clean the house. to essentially understand exactly with the department was doing over the last four years. make sure that there is accountability for those that were engaged in political and partisan investigations within the department. >> an opinion piece for the
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washington post paul butler argues the best way for attorney general merrick garland to protect the justice department is to stop defending his predecessor. take us to your argument, paul. >> so chris, there are two major issues. the first is barr justice department when after trump's political enemies, was there illegal predicate for them to seek this very personal data about congress people? their family. and in that famous exchange with then senator harris asked attorney general barr if trump had ever directed them to investigate somebody, barr's answer, the answer of anybody with integrity should have been no, because i would've quit. [inaudible]
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the distinct possibility that barr was willing to weaponize the department of justice to go after trump's political enemies, that's where we are now, so chris, the other major issues what the biden justice department is going to do about this. so far, we've seen this pattern of protecting the trump justice department, but that starting to look more and more the same as protecting corruption. >> this is the institutionalist paradox that i think garland finds himself in, right? which is, some of the norms eroded by the department of justice i think two of them where the independents department sort of taking orders from the white house directly, and secondly, abandoning continuity and how departments did it's just business and the continuity in the position it took and the cases it took. we want to restore those norms,
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so we're gonna be independent and not let the white house tell us what to do, and we're gonna go back to more continuity, we're gonna take the same positions at the trump justice department on the carolinas shoot etc, but that itself is the problem, it seems to me. >> that is exactly right, chris. i am upright alumnus of the department of justice, and i respect the attorney generals institutional commitments. but, when he was running and he said the trump administration was the most corrupt and modern history. biden's justice department has not responded by fighting for transparency and accountability, and i understand merrick garland's wish to look forward and all back work and not to substitute trump's ways with biden's ways but looking backwards, not looking backwards that is a dangerous
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approach. that people are allowed to subvert the constitution with no consequences. >> that is very well said. this is going to come to a head. they're going to be some choices that have to be made as we go forward. paul butler, as always, good to talk to you, thank you. >> thank you. >> all right, there's still so much we don't know about who was targeted by trump's justice department and who knew what about it. that is next. that is next [music and sound effects played in reverse] our shot. the covid-19 vaccines are ready. and so is walgreens, with pharmacy experts ready to make it easy for you to get it safely, for free. because this is our shot... getting back together.
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since we got this report about trump's abused justice department is still a we don't know. let's listen to these two excerpts from the article. in 2017 2018 a grand jury subpoenaed apple and another internet service provider for the records of the people associated with the intelligence committee. they learned about most of the subpoenas last month, when apple informed them that their workers had been shared.
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it was not clear why family members, children were involved but investigators could've sought the accounts because they were leaked or on the theory that parents are using their children's phone to high contact with the journalist. exactly how many democratic records were secretly seized, why were their families and children drawn into this? also, another question, were any republicans investigated? was this an explicit request from president trump? and at a high-level what does all of this mean for the justice department going forward? she just published an article in which william barr denied knowing anything, saying he didn't recall getting briefed on the moves and she joins me now. betsy, there has been a lot of spinning from william barr and jeff sessions which suggests to me that at least understand this doesn't look great. >> you know you're dealing with a big mess when bar and session
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don't want to touch it. barr famously -- when it came to defending some of the most controversial moves that the trump white house and the trump doj made, that just about everyone else said we're encroaching on the justice department independence if barr doesn't wanted to defend something that the doj did, that means you have a problem. now, he was speaking about this issue of subpoena-ing to lawmakers records but he didn't speak more broadly was the rider of leaked probes. one thing that's important to remember when the question comes on whether or not the president asked for these investigations is out what we don't know what he has for privately, we do know that he did ask for them because he tweeted about them ceaseless sly. if you just look back at the president's public twitter account which sometimes, tweets like their performance art or somehow they didn't matter,
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everyone was reading them. senior doj officials were reading them and scratching their heads and thinking things likewise the president tweeting a picture of me behind prison bars? and the president explicitly tweeted that schiff needed to be investigated for leaking. he explicitly said that schiff was illegally leaking classified material. so that question has actually been answered, trump wanted these investigations to happen. the only question is which of the tip-top people at the o.j., which is the top political officials got this request and said no problem, feel free to scoop up as many made a data as you need. >> that is such a great point. just positive for size up for a second. did trump requested is asked and answered, all the time, constantly in public. constantly, constantly. you're right, that is a great point and it is not theoretical. then the question becomes, there's a few things, who -- there is a great quote here and
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she was the acting head of the doj's national security until may's 2017, she said any investigation into elected officials would have been considered a sensitive matter that would require high-level approval. whether this was an investigation into an elected official or an elected officials metadata was just scooped up in it, that might matter for who is being brief, but you have to imagine that this is getting run up the chain at the point where you're going to apple in their handing hugh metadata off from the ranking member on the house intelligence committee. >> the laws of physics do not preclude that it got right up the chain, but if it didn't get ran up the chain, i would be flabbergasted. this is exactly the kind of thing that very senior doj officials have jobs to deal with. the most plausible defense that she essence and allies could make is that if this particular leak probe involve the russia
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investigation, russia's then ambassadors or to the united states, is possible that sessions could've been refused. if that's the case, and hypothetical, because we don't know, if that is the case than the next person who would've signed off on it would be rosenstein who was the deputy attorney general who also was a trump appointee, and who sort of went from being something like a resistance celebrity, to, towards the end of his time there, really drawing substantial and sustained criticism of many folks, including congressional democrats were felt like he was a significant disappointment. >> final point and quickly, to me the bar aspect of this, the president clearly blows of about these leaks early on, doj just a bunch of stuff in 2017, it's the reporting that says that barr came in and threw half a dozen attorneys at this, but they restarted all of this, and for him to be like, i don't recall now. there is some tension there. the reporting the times has is
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that he was driving this. >> there's absolutely tension there. the most charitable explanation is that there were so many open high-profile leak probes that perhaps in addition to the league probes that hovered up schiff and swallow material there could've been other ones that initially barr would've been more hands on. we don't have the specific details on that but the reality of course is that barr was very enthusiastic about a leak probe as were other trump senior doj officials. >> they lost track of all the people in the enemies list and whose data they were trying to hoover off, betsy woodruff swan, thank you so much for coming on tonight. >> thank, you chris. >> still ahead, to militia members scene alongside roger stone now charge in the january 6th insurrection. what is he up to, that is coming up. i coming up.
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hearing moments get no attention. secretary of state anthony blinken was appearing virtually before the house foreign affairs committee and he was asked this question by democratic congresswoman from minnesota. >> i know you oppose the courts investigation in palestine and afghanistan, i haven't seen any evidence in either case is that the mystic -- both can and will prosecute alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity. i would emphasize that it is real and pal and scenes, it includes both crimes that were created by a the afghan national government and the taliban. in both of these cases, if domestic courts can't or won't pursue justice, and we oppose the eye fcc, where do we think
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the victims of these supposed crimes can go for justice? >> just to be clear, the congresswoman was asking secretary blinken where he thinks victims of war crimes, crimes against humanity can go for justice if local courts say israeli courts or afghanistan courts will not look into these cases, and if the u.s. opposes the international criminal court from investigating these crimes when it comes to afghanistan in the israeli government. she was referencing the fact that there are active, international criminal court investigations of all the people she name. back in march they opened an investigation into war crimes. the inquiry is expected to inspect crimes made by israelis and israelis. the fcc ruled the chief prosecutor can open an investigation into allegations of war crimes in afghanistan since 2003, but all sides of
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the conflict including the taliban and u.s. led forces. that is all factual, that is a factual recitation of the things happening in the international criminal court. the implication of course of the question is, how do we move to a system in which there is actually, in a global sense, equal justice under the law? that is not just ruled by the powerful. some kind of investigatory body that investigates a crime with no fear of favor of powerful and less powerful countries alike, that is the point she's making. based on the facts before the icc. and a congress woman treated her exchange adding this quote we have seen and think about atrocities committed by the u.s., hamas, afghanistan in the taliban. that is when things blew up, yesterday dozens of her democratic colleagues in the house issued a statement calling on the congresswoman to quote, clarify her words placing the u.s. and israel in the same category as hamas and
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the taliban. she responded to be clear, i was in no way equating tourist organizations with democratic countries with well established judicial systems. afterward house leadership including speaker nancy pelosi issued a statement welcoming the clarification by congresswoman omar, but also warning her to quote drunk false equivalency between democracies like u.s. in israel and groups that engage in terrorism like hamas and the terror taliban ferments prejudice and prevents a future of justice for all. sometimes when you tell the truth you would feel something your audience is not willing to hear, so, if you have a problem with the grouping of these enemies together, and i understand why you would, you should turn your eye tour arts what's the u.s. has done to put us in that category. and not on congresswoman elon omar for pointing that out. g that out
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advisor has got under the radar would seems like a mistake for someone with a reputation as a self proclaimed dirty trickster. remember stone was convicted of impeding a congressional inquiry that -- his sentence was later commuted and last year he was given a full pardon by donald trump. since then, he seems to spend a lot of time with right wing militia groups. on the morning of january six, for example, he was seen in washington d.c. flagged by members of the oath keeper. they were serving as stones bodyguards before some of them with stormed the capitol during the insurrection. members of the oath keepers were in effectually indicted, and some of the men were seen guarding trump confident roger stone on january 5th, and six. that is who roger stone was hanging out with the day of the attack. the day before he was part of a rally in front this big court where he spoke alongside men connected to another militia,
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an anti government group called the three percenters. >> we are at war in this country. we are at war tomorrow million strong patrons will be standing right there, they will hear our voices. they will hear the rage of the american people over what they have done to us in this country. they need to know, we has of are 100 million strong's are coming for them if they do the wrong thing. >> that man who was railing about the war that was going to happen on jenner six, and another who spoke after him along's side roger stone they were part of militia members arrested in charge yesterday with conspiracy in the january 6th attack. they face charges including conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding which carries a 20-year maximum sentence. violent riley, wrote this story in a piece titled traders need to be executed, stop the steal organizer indicted in january
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six conspiracy case. ryan let's start with these individuals and the indictments against them, who they are and what the indictments say? >> this is all a group that is based out of orange county, i think there are two separate cells, there's one cell around the beverly hills area that i think will be forthcoming. and then there is this sort of cell around orange county that is been basically affiliated with the three percenters, and had all decided to go to d.c. on january 6th. they're essentially organized by this main guy this former police chief who is this major figure in orange county and was organizing a lot of rallies, pro trump rallies, anti lockdown rallies. sort of had a big following there. over the months had really expressed in stark terms what he thought needed to happen on january 6th. really violent language was used. it's the type of language that
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if a black lives matter protesters had said this at some major rally, there would be some repercussions for that and there would be some coverage of that. but really this flew under the radar and now you only see this. we're nearly six months out and we're now dressing charges against this individual. >> i just want to play, this is last november, this is him recording himself while driving. but it is worth listening to hear the kind of rhetoric that he was engaged in before storming the capital. take a listen. >> this charade is about to end. we're gonna see some positive things happen when the truth gets out there and people start going to prison. some people at the highest levels need to be made an example of with an execution or two, or three. >> an execution, or two, or three. i've been struck by how common that rhetoric was around the
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circles of folks, particularly in three percenters and the oath keepers that were involved in january six. >> at another rally he organized or speaking at back in december, he talked about very specific terms he talked about how they needed to go into the capitol and grab people by the hair and track them out and strength of by a light lamppost. this is really specific rhetoric that he's talking about here and it's sort of astonishing. this is a former police chief. this is someone with buying into this committee, who is well-known into this community was spreading the sort of language. if you follow the logic of this it is sort of not surprising. if you honestly believe that the election was stolen, i kind of keep going back to this, if you honestly believe that the election was stolen, it sort of makes sense that this was a possible resolution to that. because that would be the largest crime in american history. you have to -- there would have to be some actions in response to that. you have to do something about this. you couldn't just have those recounts in certain states and
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let's just play out in court. if the election is stolen, you have to do something about it. it's very much in the american spirit, and that is why you see this rhetoric because these people actually believe that because they are being fed these lies by conservative news outlets and by the president of the united states. >> roger stone, stone is one of these people, -- michael flynn got his pardon, stone got his pardon and steve bannon is pushing the big lies a litmus test. i kind of what wonder would he's going after. he's not accused of committing a crime, being around people who would later commit crimes is itself not a crime. but he was around a lot of militia guys who ended up storming the capital, what was he up in those days, do we know? >> i don't think we've seen any evidence thus far, but i think he's tied to three separate conspiracies.
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like you said he hasn't been charged in any capacity, but he has certain connections to groups, three different groups have been charged at least, it's really interesting to see what will come out in a lot of the discovery there and how closely their and communication. the idea that you're sort of going around with all of these different groups that were then charged with storming the capital and who were preparing all of this, and had military gear and didn't know it was going on seems kind of ridiculous. we will have to see what comes down down the line. i think also is going to be a very high bar, because of the -- that are busy very important unless he was directly involved in some kind of planning, it is a lot more difficult to make these charges. it's a lot easier when someone stormed the capitol and follows through. if they're just the incitement rhetoric is the trick here, that is the heavier lifting. a more difficult argument to make in court rather than someone who follows through on the actions. what this means is that a lot
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of these pawns in this so-called war going to be charge as opposed to the king or a lot of the leaders in the situation. >> that is well said. ryan reilly, thank you for making time for us. that does it for all and you can that does it for "all in." catch us weeknights at8:00 p.m. welcome to msnbc's special coverage of day two of the g7 summit in the uk. president biden kicking off his day with an intelligence briefing at this hour as he prepares to call on allies to take a tougher stance chance against china. also on the docket today, a bilateral meeting with french president macron. and the queen was heard


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