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show, velshi at 8:00 a.m. eastern. i'll tuck to a reporter who just found out his phone records were secretly seized by the trump administration. plus the one and only bill nye the science guy joins me about the security threats posed by climate change. tomorrow 8:00 to 10:00 eastern on msnbc. "the 11th hour" with brian williams begins now. well, good evening once again. day 136 of the biden administration. not good enough. that is the latest message from the president to the republicans' counteroffer on infrastructure and job creation. as you know he's been trying to work out a bipartisan deal with censure shelly moore capito who's been leading republican in the talks. today she told biden the republicans would be willing to add about $50 billion in new
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spending to the party's latest overall $928 billion proposal. well, here's the reaction from the white house and we quote. the current offer did not meet the president's objectives to grow the economy, tackle the climate crisis, create new jobs. biden added they'll keep talking on monday. this all comes, of course, as the latest jobs report shows 559,000 jobs added to the u.s. economy, better than last month. not as high as some economists had projected. republicans say ux tended unemployment benefits in biden's covid relief bill were too generous. they're keeping people who need jobs from taking jobs. half of the states all led by republican governors are cutting off or cutting back benefits before the september expiration date. today biden defended his economic strategy. >> as we continue this recovery we're going to hit some bumps along the way. of course that'll happen. you can't reboot the world's
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largest economy like flipping on a light switch. there's going to be ups and downs and jobs and economic reports, but we're going to be a supply chain issue and price chain issues back on a way to sustainable growth. >> those two ransom ware attacks on a pipeline supplying fuel to much of the eastern half of the country and to the nation's leading meat processor, they have forced the administration to confront the reality of cyber criminals targeting our country. fbi director chris wray told "the wall street journal" the bureau is, quote, investigating about 100 different types of ransom ware, many tracing back to hackers in russia. and compared to the current spate of cyber attacks with the challenge posed by the september 11th terrorist attacks. white house says putin will hear from biden about the cyber attacks during their geneva summit later this monthch the nation's former cyber security chief says that discussion is long overdue.
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>> we need to make putin blink. we need to hit his pain points. we could turn the screws on. we've just chosen in the past not to. >> today the capitol was the stage for the culmination of a two-year legal battle as former trump white house counsel don mebegan appeared before the judicial committee to testify about trump's effort to obstruct robert mueller's inquiry. house democrats first subpoenaed mcgahn back in 2019. a transcript of what he said won't be made public until next week. >> he's bringing to life volume two of the mueller report, the turbulent times in the white house with the president aobsessed over robert mueller's investigation of russian interference, how he had to fend
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off the pressure of the president to talk to rod rosenstein and try to get him to oust mueller as special council. >> there's also new reporting tonight about the former president's current legal battles. "the new york times" reports, quote, a senior finance executive at donald trump's family business has testified before a state grand jury in manhattan as prosecutors ramp up their investigation of mr. trump and his company. the executive jeffrey mccony has long served as the trump organization's controller, making him one of a handful of high ranking executives to oversee the company's finances. "the times" notes mcconney worked at the trump organization for 35 years and that he worked with the cfo allen weisselberg who's also himself under scrutiny from the manhattan d. a. this was also the day facebook announced it will continue trump's time-out suspension from the platform
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until at least january 2023, which of course will be after the 2022 mid-term elections. but just as the 2024 presidential campaign cycle is getting under way. the company says its decision stems from trump's post on social media during the 1/6 riot and insurrection, which the feds now say will likely result in charges for some 550 people. they revised that number up today. today the former president responded with a statement that read in part, quote, they shouldn't be allowed to get away with this censoring and silencing. this afternoon the white house was asked to weigh in on the facebook decision. >> as always outs a decision for the company to make and any platform to make. we learned a lot from president trump, the former president over
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the last couple of years about his behavior and how he uses these platforms. feels pretty unlikely that the zebra is going to change its stripes over the next two years. >> with that let's bring in our own lead off guests on this friday night. eugene daniels, white house correspondent for politico and coauthor of this day's edition of politico play book, meaning he works a long day. her latest book is "madam speaker, nancy pelosi and the lessons of power." and jeremy bash back with us as well, former chief of staff at the cia and pentagon, former chief counsel to the house intel committee. good evening and welcome to all. eugene, i'd like to begin with you and your beat. how much more room does biden have left to negotiate with republicans, and what other option does he have? >> i think at this point it's as much room as he wants. the issue is keeping every member of his party still happy
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that the negotiations are continuing. that is where we're at right now. negotiating the back and forth, it's interesting. i've been talking to a lot of people about this. and what we start to realize is we're just not used to as reporters and people that are in washington, d.c. to negotiating. it's been such a long time since we've seen such a back and forth. at every stop it feels like that's it, they're moving on and obviously not. like you outlined republicans haven't come close enough to where the white house democrats want them to be. so they're going to try this one more time. what you have at this point is a democratic party in congress who started to get really antsy and you also have markups of possible other infrastructure bills happening next week. you also have other deadlines. there's not a lot of time left in the calendar, the legislative calender. they don't spend a lot of time in washington, d.c. in the summer. so there are a lot of deadlines going to force the white house to make a decision on whether or
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not they want to move forward without republican support. at this point biden doesn't want to. he really does want to get a bipartisan deal on this one. it's just becoming harder and harder because not only do they not agree on how much new spending, most importantly they don't agree on the pay fors and also don't agree on the definition of infrastructure. so it's hard to see how you get an infrastructure bill when you don't agree on what can actually be in that bill. >> great points there. they're not used to the back and forth, and a reminder they do like their summer vacation. hey, susan, you spent hours with the speaker in preparation for the publication of your book. given your knowledge of her ways and sensibilities, what do you think is likely to be her next move on a 1/6 commission of some sort? >> well, what she would like to have it's clear she would like to have a bipartisan 9/11-style
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commission that would have gravitas and authority. but i think that looks increasingly unlikely. there is this possibility of making some revisions in trying to get the more republican senators go along with you. i think more likely she'll rely on house committees to do this business. one of the options i think appealing to some is having one house committee take the lead, probably homeland security. that would be an appropriate thing to do. they would have subpoena power. the ranking republican on that committee voted in favor of that 9/11-style commission. so i think that is one of four options she's outlined and one that looks like it has some appeal. just one point that nancy pelosi made to me and others is she reminds us 14 months after 9/11 before the 9/11 commission was established there was a lot of resistance in the administration and amongst some on the hill. it was pressure from 9/11 families that forced that
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commission to finally be created. so that is not an option i think she would take off the table. we see officer sicknick's family, for instance, his mother going and meeting with members of congress making the case it's important for the country to find out exactly what happened on that day. >> yeah, it's hard to believe as it was for those looking on that they looked in the eyes of that woman and said and voted no. jeremy, let's talk about russia. there are reports of a u.s. retaliatory cyber strike on russia, though a friend of mine who was in the intel business for a long time says don't kid yourself, we trade these back and forth. the difference is russia doesn't announce when they've been hit. so that's topic one. and putin i'm guessing only respects getting hit back. topic two is putin let the viewers know how he's trolling americans on what happened on 1/6 and as he does so sounding
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suspiciously like some of the republicans in the senate and house. >> brian, as you noted vladimir putin said that he thought that january 6th rioters were legitimate, they were carrying a political message. in effect, he's aligning himself with the january 6th a vicious and violent armed attack on our democracy, on our citadel of democracy, on our capitol and i think it's evidence anymore needed. they're anti-democratic, they're anti-rule of law. and so this shows you exactly i think where putin's mind-set is. he wants to divide americans and he wants to show democracy and distress. and by the way, the other big mechanism putin has been utilizing short of full out armed conflict is cyber attacks, you know, state sponsored in the sense these cyber criminals, these ransomware hackers have
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sanctuary in russia. and this going to be a major issue, i think, when putin and biden sit down next week in europe because biden has got to look him in the eye and say these attacks are detrimental to american national security. not only do they go after government aid and networks but after our critical infrastructure, which is of course the lifeblood of our economy and security. this is going to be a major issue for the united states and democratic allies at the g-7, nato, european union and of course all the discussions in europe next week, brian. >> hey, eugene, let's talk about republicans. trump is off facebook for a good long while now. he's off twitter permanently. i suppose some republicans privately see that as a silver lining, and i further suppose any silver lining disappears when he takes the stage tomorrow night in north carolina as this on the road tour just is now getting under way. >> it'd be very hard for you to find a republican who would tell you the truth about how they
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feel publicly about this. but what they tell us behind the scenes is that they are not excited about president trump getting back on the road because one thing they don't want to talk about anymore is 2020. that is one of the reasons liz cheney is no longer in-house leadership. they no longer want to talk about 2020, don't want to talk about the big lie. president trump has talked about and it's been reported he is working on a policy platform with newt gingrich. one thing we know about donald trump is he's not going to stick to that script when it hits any stage. so we're actually talking in a play book in an interview with tom emmer months ago and he said donald trump rallies during the primary, primarying his people. he's not excited about that. he wants him not to do it. so republicans are kind of waiting and girded their loins
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to see what's going to happen when donald trump hits the road, who he's going to attack and how much of the media space that's going to take up. because they know if that takes up a lot of space he's going to continue to do it, he's going to be more excited about it. and it possibly puts them in a tough position in some of these primaries in some of these suburban districts when you start getting into the 2022 mid-terms, and that's something they're very, very concerned about at this point. >> susan, i want to talk to about something that happened on monday that has come up every night this week on this broadcast. our presidents have most of them gone to arlington or a similar backdrop on memorial day and given an emotional, patriotic but otherwise to be honest unremarkable speech. until this year when joe biden used that day, that backdrop of that event to say that our democracy is in peril. and i'm guessing you were among those to find that comment
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bracing and very much rooted in truth these days. >> that's right. look at what we're talking about tonight. the january 6th insurrection and assault on our capitol and the assault from foreign capitols on our democracy from russia and from china with the cyber attack. how is it possible not to argue that our democracy is under peril? for the fbi director to compare the cyber attacks to the 9/11 attacks. the 9/11 attacks were a signature sacred event in american history to compare the events today to the attack we saw on that day ought to be just sending huge alarm bells off for americans everywhere on the need to protect what i think a lot of us had assumed was so formidable as could ever be challenged and as the pillars of our democracy. i think americans no longer feel that confidence, brian. >> and jeremy bash, given that
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your résumé features big jobs at pentagon and cia and a life immersed in military and in intelligence, i'm guessing those words had a special impact for you as well. >> yeah, absolutely. i think when the president stands up and honors those who have given the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom and stands on hallowed ground at recallington, the final resting place of our heroes what he's saying is these people gave their life for a principle, for an ideal, for something bigger than themselves and that ideal is the democratic system, the democratic institutions, the democratic values that underpin our country and underpin our security and our prosperity and when those values are under attack either from internal forces who want to teardown our democratic institutions, again the anti-democratic, anti-rule of law, anti-truth or from external actors in foreign capitols who don't agree that democracy is the best system and
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want to challenge that concept the american people need to know their president is going to stand up and fight both of those instincts, inthe internal and external because absolutely nothing is more sacred. >> duty bound to say the stuff republicans used to talk about loudly and publicly all the time. we are much obliged to our big three at the end oof the week on a friday night. eugene daniels, susan page, jeremy bash, our great thanks for joining our conversation. coming up for us as we said trump may be banned from twitter and facebook, but he's not banned from going on stage in north carolina tomorrow night. after all for the republicans whose party he runs, what could go wrong? and later the cdc director's urgent warning for parents of teenagers these days. we'll talk about it with a top pediatrician. all of it as "the 11th hour" is just getting under way on this friday night. is just getting under way on this friday night
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trump's imminent return to the political spotlight as head of the republican party basically is cause for much angst in his own party though not the kind anyone has guts enough to talk about on the record. bloomberg summing up gop leaders worries this way and we, quote. as the former president prepares to resume his trademark rallies they fear another round of grievances about the 2020 election results and championing untested candidates over
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incumbents could hurt the party more than it helps in next year's mid-term elections. someday someone will go on the record. back with us again tonight tim miller contributing over at the bulwark, former comes director for jeb bush and robert gibs, former obama campaign senior advisor campaign secretary of course under president obama. skraem, great to have you. good evening. tim, what is a republican to do if they come up with an idea or a policy. that's another way of asking how on earth do they move forward? and i think refer to trump as the head of that party as long as he is treated as the head of that party. >> well, brian, that is a question that maybe is above my pay grade. because i don't think this is a governing party right now. i don't think they intend to be one. and i notice that the privately
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concerned are back. the privately concern of the legion republican side of the aisle for about a half a decade now. and it's getting kind of tiricism. it's a ground-hog day type of scenario they're hoping maybe we'll get to see the good trump, whatever that means, something that's nonexistent, maybe he won't distract them too much. but their voters want the raw uncut trump, and they're not willing to stand up to the voters. and so, you know, there really is no option here. i guess the best case you could make for some republicans on the hill there are a very strong handful trying to keep their head down and are too scared to say what they really think, and they might work on some narrow niche issue for a democrat or narrow, niche issue in their state. and that's how they justify and sleep at night. the big name senator wheres, hoolook at them.
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look at the people that get media attention on it right. they're not the meme trying to advance policy attention or agenda. 100% of the time 365 days a year. >> robert gibbs before i read this next and share with you and the audience, let's point out clearly one of the trump advisers these days is a noted manufacturer of chopped foam bed pillow. having laid out that predicate, here it is. in new york magazine, the main thing to grasp about trump advisers is their concern about his election lies has absolutely no moral component whatsoever. their sole concern is that by emphasizing his message that the election was stolen trump will inadvertently discourage the republican base from showing up in the mid-term elections. of course mr. gibbs, that is also the democrats fever dream.
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but is that the fatal flaw in the trump-run republican party strategy? >> well, there's no doubt. look, it is surprising and you saw this in georgia, when donald trump took the grievance 2020 election road show back to the state for those runoffs, the practical concern those republican strategists had was republicans didn't come back out to vote fearing and believing that elections are simply stolen. but as the article that you read points out that they lose any of the moral compass in all this. they lose any of the idea this perpetuates the big lie, that it weakens our democracy that so many have talked about. and the continual damage it's done and to build off what tim said, it is remarkable that a party that understands it can't really expand with donald trump -- donald trump's never added to that base.
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he's always every day subtracted from it and that the republican party can't see that and decide they're going to cast that aside and try something new. look for a new messenger or messengers, ones that can appeal to conservatism, one that can appeal to the suburbs. it's a surprising thing even this many months past the inaugural. >> and tim, are you ceconvinced as so many guests have tried to speculate on this and other broadcasts that the more you try to inhinge on someone's right and ability to vote, that will have the effect of firing up voters. voters come hell or high-water especially certain democratic voters who made the difference in georgia and other elections this year will find a way to stand in line and make their
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vote heard. >> you know, i think the political science says that. we've seen a lot of evidence of it lately. i think it depends exactly on what kind of voter suppression it is. there are some kind that have been proposed in some of these states. if you look at 2020 trump i guess he didn't expand the base in the sense he didn't expand it into new demographics, but he did grow the amount of people interested among the white working class base. in these small towns and rurals that turn out is up. here's the thing. the turnout went up that time and a half in the suburbs and cities. it had the negative partisan effect of trump is so great, and i think combining that with this effort to try to suppress the vote has really motivated the democratic base. i think it's an open question whether with him off the ballot and, you know, off of his little blog spot and just given these
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rallies whether he'll continue to be a motivating factor in the mid-terms, i think that's an important job for a democratic campaign strategist. but looking at what we've seen so far, i think the answer is it can be yes, this can be a motivating factor both trump and his behavior as well as the voter suppression bills. >> both of these gentlemen are going to stick around with us as we get in a break. we'll get their take on mike pence and the line he's choosing to walk when it comes to the events of 1/6 and his future career in the party. bottom line, no big deal. e part. bottom line, no big deal
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january 6th was a dark day in the history of the united states capitol. president trump and i have spoken many times since we left office. and i don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day, but i will always be proud of what we accomplish for the american people over the last 4 years. >> just a tiny reminder here the rioters could be heard chanting hang mike pence, and they had a conveniently located noose as one does on the capitol grounds when they stormed our capitol and rioted on january 6th. and another reminder here, here's what mike pence's old boss was saying about his vice president just before the
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insurrection. >> we're going to have to fight much harder, and mike pence is going to have to come through for us. and if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. >> unbelievable stuff, all of it. thankfully still with us are tim miller and robert gibbs. and tim, not to pick on you but let's talk about two tragic republicans. first of all, mike pence. 1/6, no problem, we talk often. and then there's also george p. bush. donald trump humiliated and savaged his father, and for that matter the bush name and his entire political family. his uncle the president, his grandfather the president. no big deal. he's running as a trumper for attorney general of texas. you worked for jeb. i'm not asking you to violate a confidence, but i am asking what your feelings are for both of
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these republicans. >> sure, i'll take the second one, i guess. i guess i'll caveat from the start jeb bush is the best person i ever worked for and i have nothing but love in my heart for him and his family and i've not had in any private conversations with him so i don't have any confidences to betray. i'll say this, i have no idea what he's doing. i think it's humiliating for him. i think that the best case scenario is that he wins an office that's really not that important or high profile by undermining his family, by sucking up to a man that attacked his own mother as an illegal immigrant. so i don't understand the strategy. i really don't think this is party going to continue the trumpian path that they're going to turn to jeb's son in 2028 and
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2032 and say we want that person to be the president. so i don't think it makes much sense politically, and i don't feel good about it just as far as how he's doing with his family. though that's his call, not mine. it's not my family. as far as mike pence is concerned, i went down to see him in south carolina his first speech back and i was interested he completely ignored the 1/6 disagreement with trump there in that audience and took some heat about that i think in the news coverage following it. so this is his second time back out. he gives the most modest of an acknowledgement there was a disagreement which is i guess is this teeny tiny baby step in the right direction. but again similarly to george p. it's just a pathetic performance, that he feels the need he has to continue to suck up to somebody who lost, who lost the republicans to congress, who wanted to basically sicked this mob -- not basically, did sick this mob on
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mike pence and threatened his safety to the point he had to run and hideout of the capitol to get away from these people that as you said were chanting hang mike pence. i guess the thing that would tie it all together for me is this all really worth it? is losing the 2024 presidential race and becoming attorney general of texas really worth it? there's a lot of stuff these guys could do with their lives. >> robert, tim as always asks a good question on top of good points. and robert, as a democrat in the trenches, what good news from -- can democrats take from any or all of this because otherwise republicans are giving joe biden all he can take. >> yeah. i think the good news for democrats is this continues to be in the news. it continues to be -- and what i mean by being in the news i mean
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donald trump is in the news. i don't think anybody benefits from january 6th being whitewashed. but i think it is startling that as tim points out somebody in the bush family is now looking for the model of donald trump in order to get a job. and it is clear whether it's mike pence or mitch mcconnell or kevin mccarthy or literally hundreds of other republicans, everyone is afraid to say or do what they know is the truth for fear of upsetting one person who is stationed conveniently off at the bottom of florida or maybe now in new jersey at a golf club playing golf, but they're seemingly petrified of somebody who can barely communicate with the outside world. but it shows you they've spent quite frankly four years, five
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years, six years in fealty to this person. they never stepped up and said enough to help back him down. the voters coalesced and now to do anything isn't just to go against donald trump, it's to go against a republican base and threaten their own future. so i think for democrats donald trump is still in the game. he's still going to motivate a lot of people to come out in the mid-term election. and it's still kind of a disorganized mess over on that side. >> to our viewers, it's friday night as we thank these two men. please note not only do you get the best guests on television from pinto beans to perfectly appointed gloss white subway tile back splash, this is hgtv quality design tips. we appreciate both men mostly for their brains and what they say but also their design sensibilities. tim miller, robert gibbs, always a pleasure, gentlemen.
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rallies. after all, remember complaining about e-mails was a huge part of his 2016 campaign. back with us tonight dr. irwin redliner, the founding director of columbia's national center for disaster preparedness who advises us on public health and also a columnist over at the daily beast. and doctor, i want to start by playing for you and our audience some of chris wallace's remarks on fox news. >> i've read reports and read through a number of the e-mails. there's no smoking gun there. this is highly political. i can promise you you're seeing it as a major talking point from republicans. before we start calling for his head this guy who's been a devoted public servant for 40e years, maybe we ought to slow down just a little bit. >> so, doctor, not a popular opinion necessarily on fox news. how do you see this? >> well, first of all there's clearly a target now on anthony
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fauci's back, but i think there's a bigger context here, brian, which i just want to run through with you. and let's say we accept the premise that donald trump is leading a movement to create an autocracy with him or his surrogate at the lead. and i see three big strategies at play now. number one was the promulgation of multiple big lies including the biggest one, of course, that the election was stolen. and the second thing is the undermining of open and free elections. but the third part of this strategy in my mind is the attack on science. it's purse sonified by an attack on anthony fauci which is absolutely outrageously incorrect and ignorant. but if you put these three things together, the attack on science via fauci, the undermining of free elections and the big lies being promulgated, we have the makings of what is going to be an an
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unfortunately difficult to stop movement in america. by the way, this is the most contamination of real science i've seen in my lifetime, these attacks on fauci and the other misinformation being promulgated around science and what science is trying to do. this is public health problem. it's been politicized to a point where none of us could have imagined in recent years. >> we can't change the fact we've lost over 600,000 souls in this country. we can't change the fact that china became the global boogeyman in donald trump's hands speech after speech naming and labeling the virus. what do they have to answer for in china in your mind? >> so in my mind there's one key thing i would like to know and i think other scientists around the world would like to know. if this was a lab accident which let's say it is, we want to know
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what went wrong, what protocol were they using that didn't work to safeguard that lab? we have very strict protocols in the u.s. and most of the world that says here's how you handle dangerous viruses. so if there was a slip up or a protocol we need to know so it doesn't happen again. basically that's the point i worry about. we've got to get this current pandemic under control and make sure we prevent the next one. but china needs to answer that question. what went wrong if anything in that lab and let us prove it so we won't repeat it again. >> to that end for members of our audience who don't know it, you're a pediatrician originally by trade and training, and with that in mind tell us about the cdc these pertaining to teenagers today? >> so this is actually important news that's going to have to be
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tracked. and what we're seeing is an increasing number of teenagers who have gotten very sick from covid and have to be admitted to a hospital. this is news and something that needs to be tracked. is it alarming? it's concerning. and what we need to do about that is to make sure that we've really pushed parents and kids to get vaccinated as soon as possible, and hopefully we're going to start seeing children younger than 12 eligible for vaccination. i think that'll happen in the next few months. the more kids that get vaccinated and especially now more teenagers the more safe they'll be and the rest of us will be as well. >> doctor, it's always a pleasure for us when you spend some time with us and take our questions. dr. irwin redlenner, our guest for tonight. coming up for us the fbi compares this threat from cyber criminals to 9/11 in terms of their investigation. we have new reporting on the rising risks of these ransomware
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talked about this with jeremy bash at the top of the broadcast tonight. the biden administration is under mounting pressure to respond to the devastating cyber attacks being launched against the u.s. the president says he will more than raise the issue at his meeting with putin later this month. in the meantime, though, as we've said the fbi is now comparing its investigation to the investigation it held following 9/11. our report tonight from nbc news correspondent tom costello. >> reporter: amid growing cyber attacks on tv stations, food and fuel suppliers, hospitals, water systems and all levels of government, the fbi confirms to nbc news it's investigating 100 different types of ransomware attacks many originating from
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russia. the deputy attorney general today. >> we cannot give any quarter and no country should be habbering criminal actors of any type. >> reporter: ibm runs a constant cyber threat assessment saying the russian threat are responsible earned at least $123 million in ransom last year. tonight a revealing glimpse of the online negotiations between hackers and victims, companies and charities large and small. in one exchange the company pleads my bosses have told me they can offer $730,000. they said if we we had to pay any higher we'd not be able to pay our employees. the hackers respond provide supporting information that your company is in a financial hole and we'll provide you a price. the employee responds all of our systems are down and are not sure how we would provide that information.
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a charity hacked pleads please if you desist we'll continue our work. the average initial ransom demand, $5 million. two thirds of victims pay the ransom to get their computers back. >> this is not just somebody wearing a hoodie in moskow. this is team of people working together. they've got a financial department, a negotiation department, a customer service group. >> reporter: but should the u.s. retaliate against the russian government? most experts warn that would only lead to a dangerous game of escalation. the u.s. turns out the lights in saint petersburg, russia turns off the water in chicago. >> i don't think we should turn out the lights in st. petersburg and bungs the russian people for what criminal actors have done to us or russian states have done to us. >> reporter: the best approach may be an international treaty like a nuclear arms agreement where all sides agree to crack down on cyber crime. unbelievable stuff. our thanks to talk costello for
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over 150,000 men invading the french coastline under withering german fire to begin their march across europe where they would go onto win world war ii 336 days later. while others will debate whether or not we could possibly mount such a thing today as broken as we are, there was a time when we saved the world from tyranny and fascism. if it wasn't our finest hour it's hard to say what was. and it folks at the lincoln project are out with a reminder to all. >> who is antifa? they stormed the beaches of normandy, parachuted into the french countryside and gave their lives to face down and fight back against fascism. they took down nazi machine gunnests, tore apart the third reich's strong holds. liberated concentration camps, liberated france, italy,
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belgium, holland. anywhere antifa saw fascism they fearlessly and relentlessly iniilated it. fascism was defeated because of patriots like these. proud americans who knew the fight against fascists was not simply a battle between opposing nations, it was a war against inhumanity, a war that isn't nice but cannot be lost. a war we still fight today. anti-fascism, it's not a cable news talking point. it's an american ideal that should be memorialized because it was paid for in blood. >> the lincoln project to take us off the air tonight. that is our broadcast for this friday evening and for this week. with our thanks for being here with us. have a good weekend unless you have other plans. on behalf of all our colleagues here at the networks of nbc news, good night.
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>> sometimes when you see people being given a hard time in public life, particularly when someone is being attacked unfairly and they are a public figure -- sometimes you find yourself lamenting that all the good people are going to be driven out of public life in public service, by the nonsense and unfair attacks and conspiracy nonsense they have to put up with. people get targeted unfairly for whatever reason. sometimes in those moments, i think it can be helpful to know what that particular person has been through before. in terms of understanding what
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