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good morning. it is saturday, may 29th. i'm ali velshi. right now a rush-based hacking group, the group responsible for last week's solarwinds attack, is now targeting major government agencies, think tanks and over organizations. it is believed to be run by russia's foreign intelligence service and they are ongoing and part of the intelligence gathering efforts. microsoft says the latest attack targeted 3,000 accounts and has been going on since january, right at the ends of the solarwinds attack. the news comes days after the white house announced that president biden will meet with russia's putin in geneva on june 16th. mark warner said in a statement we must make clear to russia and
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other adversaies they must face consequences for this and other cyberactivity. the republican party made it clear they're the party of insurrection. senate republicans yesterday blocked the bill to create a nonpartisan commission to investigate the january 6th insurrection, a bill that was negotiated in good faith by members of its own party. here they are. 35 senate republicans who voted to block a vote on a january 6th commission. modeled on the famed 9/11 commission. why don't these people want an investigation into the violence that put their own lives at risk? are they worried about what might be unearthed by such an investigation? about what we all might learn about the former president and the pro-trump extremists that took part in and aided and abetted in the attack on the united states capitol? those 35 republicans voted against the commission even after the family of brian sicknick, who died after
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defending the united states capitol on january 6th, paid personal visits to senate of them. pleading with them to find the truth about the attack and what happened to her son who died after defending them. they also engaged in a rewrite and a whitewash campaign of january 6th. it's putting politics above country with republicans openly admitting that they think the commission would be politically damaging to their party and would hurt them in the 2022 midterms. some in the gop are arguing as minority whip john thune has that they "want to be moving forward" and not "rehashing the past." which is interesting given the gop obsession with rehashing the attack on the u.s. consulate on bengahzi with hearings that went on for more than two years because that was good for the gop politically as kevin mccarthy admitted on cable news. chuck schumer addressed this on the senate floor.
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>> this vote has made it official. donald trump's big lie has now fully enveloped the republican party. trump's big lie is now the defining principle of what was once the party of lincoln. we all know what's going on here. senate republicans chose to defend the big lie because they believe anything that might upset donald trump could hurt them politically. we've all lived through the horrors of january 6th. shame on the republican party for trying to sweep the horrors of that day under the rug because they're afraid of donald trump. >> someone else who is clearly tired of the gop antics is democratic senator jon tester who said we have to get to the bottom of this. then a swear word. it's a nonpartisan investigation of what happened. if it's because they're afraid of trump, then they need to get out of office. these six senators voted in
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favor of getting to the bottom of it. senator pat toomey's office says he would have voted in favor but he missed the vote because of a family commitment. some leaders and many candidates of the gop have become whiney, fake, false outrage pushing constant victims. it is really amazing to watch how weak they are. that's from adam kinzinger. liz cheney said thanks to senators cassidy, collins, murkowski, portman, sasse and romney for voting for truth and defense of our constitution. because there was a real reason for the investigation, identifying and combating one of the biggest threats against american democracy, grievance-based domestic terror
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groups, such as the ones that par took in the january 6th attack need to be looked into. joining me now is madeline dean of pennsylvania. is he served as an impeachment manager in donald trump's second impeachment trial. thank you for being with us. i want to get your reaction to what happens now. now that the senate blocked this commission from becoming a reality, it doesn't solve the underlying problem of the fact that we need to understand the forces behind this. it seems obvious that donald trump was one of them. but there are these grievance-based domestic activists that turned violent on january 6th. we have to figure out where that is coming from and what the interconnectedness are between those groups. >> one word comes to mind. shame. but sadly these republicans have
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no shame. think of where we've come in the last five years. in the previous administration, they came in and talked about alternative facts. we've gone from alternative facts to no facts. mitch mcconnell and leader mccarthy want no facts. they don't want any information to come out. fortunately we do have subpoena power. we will be able to get at the truth of what happened on january 6th, the greatest attack on our democracy. but we should have done it by way of an independent commission. sadly it will have to be through oversight in the house with subpoenas, collecting text messages, phone calls. we'll find out who was a part of this. it would have served our country better to have seated an independent commission. >> when you say it would have served our country better, is that because it was built to be a fully equal, bipartisan effort, not subject to another
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party saying that this is partisan or as donald trump continues to say, a witch hunt? >> isn't it strange that that's exactly what was negotiated? i give some of the representatives credit. they came up with an equal commission with equal subpoena power. again what are they afraid of? republicans are afraid of the truth. sadly they're using the tactic of the filibuster to really overrule what our founders framed. the constitutional design of our founders envisioned a simple majority for most things. so we're using tactics to hide the truth, shame on the senators. absolute shame that not every single one of them, after having been visited by officer sicknick's mother and partner, draped in their grief went to capitol hill only to, as they said, really get a slap in the face. >> some of your democratic
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colleagues in the senate are holding out against reforming the use of the filibuster so that things like this can pass with 50 votes in the senate. do you think this moral outrage moves them at all? >> i don't know. i hope it moves people to say we need a simple majority vote. democrats have the slimmest of majorities in the senate. we need to be able to exercise that majority and pass legislation like the commission and other important pieces of legislation. look at all of the bills that we have sent over last congress and this congress, whether it is about equality or gun violence or this commission. we need to move forward with the elected officials having their voices heard. their constituent's voices and votes heard. we need to reform the filibuster or remove the filibuster.
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>> congresswoman, thanks for spending time with us this morning. by the way, i mentioned congressman adam kinzinger's tweet earlier, he also sent out a tweet responding to matt gaetz who told the crowd they have an obligation to use their second amendment rights in response to perceived censuring grievances with social media companies. second amendment rights, guns. from his congressional account kinzinger responded, quote, this is why we need a january 6th commission. four months after an insurrection at the capitol we're hearing this language at another rally where leaders are stoking fears and anger and inciting violence. joining me now is shermichael singleton, a former political consultant with members of the gop and co-host and co-owner of "guns out tv." you are a big second amendment
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defender and a gun enthusiast. that was just weird, though. matt gaetz talking about using your second amendment rights with respect to social media companies. that's definitely not what the framers of the constitution intended. >> no. it's great to be back with you. it's been a while. thanks for having me. i certainly don't agree with those words. as someone who advocates for firearms and education, i don't want to encourage anyone to utilize firearms in a negative way. i think the goal here has to be to educate people, to work on and promoting deescalation methods versus promoting violence. i think the congressman has this wrong. he is certainly not doing the second amendment or anyone in the second amendment community justice by advocating people take up arms against companies or taking up arms against anyone
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else for that matter. >> you are a gun owner, i'm a gun owner. we're engaged in what should be productive conversations about how we deal with gun violence in this country. i think people have to hold two thoughts in their mind, that we got a second amendment that protects ownership of guns, and we have a gun violence problem in this country. how do you look at squaring this? it's not like we're in the world's most bipartisan environment that we're going to get success on this. we do seem to have a gun violence problem in the country that manifests in two ways. one of them, mass shootings like we saw in san jose earlier this week, and the other is violence in peoples homes, suicides, and community violence. what to you looks like a solution to this? >> politically, i don't know if republicans or democrats will ever be able to agree on this. some of the methods we have attempted to focus on through
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guns out, particularly within inner cities is trying to figure out methods of deescalation processes, figuring out better ways to deal with anner. anger. i would like to see more focus on education, better focus on economic opportunities. i found as we traveled the country talking to many young men, particularly those who join violence, one reason they typically do so is because as a man, i can't find a job, bro, the gangs seem to be the only route or alternative where i had to make a living. in my mind, i'm trying to figure out what are the processes to eliminate individuals, particularly individuals who look like me, who are going to the least common denominator? is that better mentorship? giving them the access to find out a way to get informed skills and trades?
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again, what i found is a lot of it is attached to education and economics. so for me, i'm trying to figure out can we tackle those two things? if we can, if people feel whole and they feel they have an opportunity to better themselves and climb the economic ladder, then i don't think they will feel the need to join groups that are violent or groups that may promote violence against others who look like them, particularly in my community. >> so we have a lot of gun violence that is community-based, that is domestic-based, that is rooted in mental health issues. again, mostly in this country. it's suicides. all of these things lend themselves to some sophisticated version of something that has manifested as red-flag laws in this country. in other words, don't randomly take guns from people, but when you have signal there's may be a
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problem that may manifest in violence, do you agree, as many republicans have in this country including governors like mike dewine and others, that red flag laws work, where you temporarily remove firearms from the access of someone while you clear up what the issue is with them and allow them to make a case to get their firearms back? >> i think -- i understand why some individuals would promote red-flag laws. part of my concern with some red-flag laws, i think there's a lawsuit in one state, of an individual who had a family member that lived in their home that had a mental illness issue. as a result of that, that person had their firearms removed. part of my concern with red-flag laws, will we penalize individuals who may live in the home with an individual who has some type of mental disabilities by taking their firearms away versus trying to figure out a way to help that individual with
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whatever their issue is and working with the parents or relatives and helping that individual versus saying this person is in your home, so we'll restrict your right. i have a bit of a concern there, i think if you can figure out ways to maneuver around that so you protect the gun owner who is responsible, then the conversation is worth having. >> yeah. i think the constitution says you have to protect gun owners who are responsible gun owners and don't pose a threat to society. we have much more to talk about here. thank you for joining me. shermichael singleton, political analyst and co-host and co-owner of "guns out tv." a group of state secretaries has called the blocking of the january 6th commission deeply alarming. i will talk with janet napolitano. plus the walls around trump
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the biden-imposed deadline to pass a sweeping police reform bill has come and gone. the george floyd justice in policing act is still sitting in the senate collecting dust as are many other bills. if you look across the country, states appear to be doing some of the work themselves. according to politico, governors in nearly every state have collectively signed 243 bills over the past year meant to change policing in the united states. whether those bills are achieving real change has yet to be seen. but one group that has a truly unique perspective on policing and racial justice is black law
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enforcement officers. craig melvin hosted a roundtable over zoom with some of those first responders. >> detective hamm, george floyd's murder and derek chauvin's subsequent conviction for it, what effect did it have on you as a member of law enforcement, what effect did it have on you as a black man in america? >> it's kind of hard to separate the two at that time. i'm always going to be an african-american law enforcement officer. >> i felt good about it because it showed that there is hope for justice. >> george floyd opened a discussion about more real genuine transparency. most of these protests are over
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delay and recent videos. when you wait a year or two to release a video, it adds anxiety, emotional distress of a community, adds to complete distrust for government and makes our jobs that much more difficult. >> being black and seeing police misconduct, whether you're an officer or not, the feeling is the same. there's the feelings of trauma and turmoil from seeing rodney king up into mike brown up until now, ronald greene. so the family is the same. that feeling has been heavy, disbelief, misunderstanding and sometimes hopeless, but you strive on. >> that was a great, important conversation by craig melvin. coming up next, trump world has good reason to be nervous about the manhattan d.a.'s
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rico cases stands for the racketeer influence and corruption organization act. rico. originally signed into law in 1970 by nixon, it's a tool by federal law enforcement to go against organized crime. it was most famously used to bring down new york city's mafia in the 1990s. members of crime famiies were all taken down by rico offenses including the teflon don himself, john gotti. now another don who has been teflon to this point and his cronies could be in a world of trouble because of a similar state law. former prosecutors and defense attorneys say "manhattan district attorney, cy vance, could be considering a criminal charge that the former president's business empire was a corruption enterprise under
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the new york state rico law. the statute, which carries the potential for severe penalties can be applied to money making businesses alleged to have repeatedly engaged in criminal activity as a way to boost their bottom line. this comes amid news this week that the d.a. convened a grand jury that is expected to determine whether the office files charges against trump and other executives at the trump organization. these folks in trump world seem to be feeling the pressure. according to politico, there's a cloud of nerves in the air. adding that this feels different than the typical barrage of legal issues surrounding trump because there's pressure on trump organization's cfo, allen weisselberg to flip. i'm joined by joyce. you and i have been talking about incremental moves to some
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legal jeopardy that donald trump and others around him face either in new york state from the attorney general or from the brooklyn d.a.'s office or the manhattan d.a.'s office. this concept of an organized crime statute being applied to the trump organization is certainly new to me. >> it's an interesting option and when you summon a special grand jury like cy vance has, it means you're considering a lot of different charges. rico and new york's rico statute are interesting possibilities. they allow prosecutors to present all sorts of evidence that might not come in for trial as they evaluate and consider his conduct. >> let's talk about what this is for a moment. you and i remember rico from the old days, but we don't hear about it that much. we don't think about it this
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much. this is a new york version of enterprise or commercial conduct. the manhattan d.a. could pursue racketeering in the trump organization probe. the state law sometimes called little rico can be invoked with proof of as few as three crimes involving a business or other enterprise that can carry a prison term up to 25 years along with a mandatory minimum of one to three years. if cy vance was thinking about this, who is the target here? is it donald trump? is it allen weiselberg? >> look, i think it's obvious that the target here or at least the most serious subject is donald trump. the question is whether or not the evidence will actually reach him. prosecutors have a lot of options starting with tagging the organization, the business itself. targeting employees who were the lead decisionmakers. trump certainly makes efforts to
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insulate himself. he famously doesn't use email, which prosecutors can often use to trip up key defendants. so while he is certainly the person at the top of the food chain here, prosecutors may or may not develop the evidence to reach him. >> there's an interesting point that you made about the new york grand jury. you said that there's a distinction between a federal grand jury and this grand jury in new york in that new york gives the witnesses transactional immunity, which means they can't be charged with events that they testify about. why is that relevant? >> in a federal grand your as a prosecutor, i might have summoned a special grand jury when i had a complicated trafficking case or corruption case. the same grand jury has to hear the same evidence. you can't parse it out.
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if the grand jury is going to return an indictment, they have to hear all of the evidence. this signals that prosecutors are giving that process of giving one grand jury all of the evidence. but you can't bring in witnesses to testify in front of this grand jury if you intend to later prosecute them. sometimes prosecutors will bring in a witness hoping that in the course of that grand jury proceeding they might convince them to flip, or alternatively locking in their testimony. in new york that strategy has to work differently because once you bring a witness in, unless they waive that immunity, they have a form of protection down the road. >> another point you made is that michael cohen testified before congress about this tracks business, donald trump perhaps inflating values of some of his buildings for purposes of getting them appraised at a
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higher rate for bank loans, but yet claimed them as lower value for taxes or things like that. you think that's the origin of this? >> it really looks like that's the origin both for the manhattan d.a.'s investigation as well as for the new york attorney general's investigation, which was originally a civilly-focused investigation. that is really how these sorts of fraud cases start. once you get that first kernel of truth and begin to investigate, there's really no telling how wide ranging the investigation can go. cy vance, for instance, has eight years of the former president's tax documentation. that could lead to a whole hornet's nest of opportunities for him to investigate. >> joyce, good to see you this morning. joyce vance, former united states attorney and msnbc
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oslo, norway sits a royal estate built of stone and timber built in the middle ages. a peaceful place where norwegian kings would spend summers. in 1993 it became the site where the most elusive piece in the world was almost achieved. during 14 meetings, members of israel and palestine met under the veil of secrecy to end decades of misunderstanding, mistrust and bloodshed between their people. it started out between an unofficial meeting between plo officials and two israeli professors. at the time it was illegal for israeli officials to speak to members of the plo, let alone negotiate with them. but the manor became one of several sites in norway where israelis and palestinians lived under one roof, eating meals together, living and laughing,
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sometimes into the night. the group, who once shared a mutual hatred for one another developed mutual respect. eventually they pulled off what no one thought was possible. they drafted an agreement that would become the oslo according. in the document the israelis and palestinians acknowledged the other right's to exist. they were signed on a september, sunny day at the white house. yitzhak rabin and yasser arafat shook hands with bill clinton standing nearby. it was an inspiring moment for the world. in 1702, the original mansion was swept into the river by a massive landslide and maybe that foreshadowed the fate of the oslo according. the meeting sparked hope that two sworn adversaries could find common ground. it was the closest israelis and palestinians had gotten to peace.
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like the mansion, it, too, was swept away by a torrent of violence, recrimination and even an assassination. those eight months of negotiation could not overcome such deep-rooted animosity. in july of 2000, still trying to revive the effort, both sides met at camp david, but a final deal was never reached. and the second palestinian uprising began. we know how this story ends because it doesn't. israelis and palestinians are still fighting. people are still dying. the cycle of violence cannot go on forever. peace was not inescapable in that tiny norwegian town in 1993, and it is not inescapable today.
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♪ yum yum yum yum yuuum yum yum yum yum yum yum yuuum ♪ ♪ yum ♪ ♪ yum yum (clap, clap) yum yum (clap) yum yum ♪ a palestinian man was shot and killed by israeli troops on friday during a protest against settlement expansion in the west bank according to the palestinian health ministry. this is yet another reminder that the israeli/palestinian conflict is still causing harm. before the break, i told you the story of the oslo according when peace was just out of reach. that's been adapted into a film. here's a clip. >> we are tired of being at war with you. we are committed to ending the cycle of violence but i want to be clear.
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israel will not sacrifice its security. >> and you will never have that security until you make peace with us. for our region of the world will never accept you, until we accept you. >> the new film "oslo" gives an intimate look at the brave look at the palestinians, israelis and one norwegian couple that led to the creation of the 1993 oslo peace accords. joining me now is bartlett sher, the tony award-winning director of the show "oslo" and also director and executive producer of the new film adaptation of "oslo." thank you for being with us. congratulations on the film
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adaptation of the play. i have to ask you, why did you focus on oslo? there's been other peace attempts since then. why was this attempt at peace between the israelis and the palestinians the one you chose to focus on? >> i knew the couple. our daughters were best friends in second grade. i had gotten to known tyra larsen quite well, but i also felt like theatrically it was the most interesting and compelling event. you can take sworn enemies, put them in a room together, make them discuss their issues and problems, and it feels like the kind of thing which would make great theater at the time. when we did it in 2016, all anyone talked about was republicans and democrats. it's the perfect ingredient. >> it is remarkably timely now,
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the theatrical release. when i saw it on broadway i thought to myself i fully know how this ends, and it will be bad. why am i interested in sitting through two hours and 55 minutes of dialogue exclusively to hear these negotiations. there was something remarkably poignant in those negotiations which were based on the truth that makes you believe hope is not dead. >> yes, absolutely. there's no question if you can see your enemy and be in the same room with them, learn who they are, what their families are like, spend time together and actually hammer out questions -- and diplomats all over the world spend their lives trying to make these events happen -- you can make a difference. this is a history play. it's sort of like a great shakespeare history play. it's not meant to say the oslo according worked or didn't work, it's meant to say the ingredients, the idea for this reconciliation, this kind of conversation has to be possible.
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>> there was a lot of focus in this play and in the movie on empathy, on basic empathy. sort of looking at the other person as a human and understanding that they put their pants on one leg at a time. there was a particular scene in there where the chief israeli negotiator and the chief palestinian negotiator decided to take a walk in the norwegian woods. i want to play that for the audience. >> my daughter says to me passion is another word for pig-headed. she says papa, all you care about it being right. i say, mya, if a man does not fight for what he believes, who is he? >> mya? >> yes, my daughter. >> my daughter is named mya. my youngest. she is the light of my life.
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>> how do you sort of express the idea that empathy might be the solution to some of these problems without oversimplifying it? because there's a lot of israelis and palestinians who get the other side is human but they feel under threat and they do not feel this will end without a big fight and without getting what they need. this basic concept of empathy, it seems simplistic. do you believe it could play a role in ultimate peace in the middle east? >> yes. obviously i'm a person of the theater. i'm an artist. so the idea of empathy is central to what we do. understanding the other. knowing who other people are. but i think after all of this time working on the film and the play, i think empathy and getting people together is joined by empathetic leadership. leaders who are willing to take the great risk of stepping across to the other side. i've always been impressed by rabin in this instance.
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he was so extraordinary as a soldier who had fought for independence for israel, was also the one who saw he had to make a change. if you combined the idea of getting people together to really talk with leaders who are willing to support and get behind the difficulty of making change, then i think you can get somewhere. >> sadly, rabin was not rewarded well for his efforts. he was assassinated for them. i hope a lot of people watch this. i hope a lot of israelis and palestinians watch it. mostly i hope a lot of leaders in that part of the world watch this and understand what is possible. thanks for bringing this to life for us. bartlett sher is the executive producer of "oslo" on hbo. tulsa, oklahoma was home to one of the most prosperous black communities until it was burned to the ground. it did not become a mandatory
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monday marks 100 years since one of the country's most brutal and deadly racially motivated attacks, the tulsa race
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massacre. the tv show "watchman" which you were watching brought the massacre to life on the small screen in 2019, making this historic event more well-known in american culture. over the course of about 18 hours from may 31st, 1921 to june 1st, 35 blocks of what was once the nation's wealthiest black neighborhood, the greenwood district, were destroyed. experts estimate up to 300 people were killed and many more were wounded. years of black economic success were erased essentially overnight. "the new york times" is out with a new 3d visual rendering which gives us a look at what was lost that day, homes, barber shops, bakeries, a theater and businesses of all kinds were burnt to the ground.
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according to a state commission report from 2001, the massacre resulted in $1.8 million in property loss claims which roughly amounted to $27 million in today's dollars. i'm sure many of you have long known about the tulsa race riots, but many of you may not have learned about that in school, and that was by design. oklahoma, for instance rns didn't include this atrocity as part of its school curriculum until the year 2002 and it wasn't until 2019 that the state's education department specified what aspects should be taught and how to teach it for different grade levels. i'm joined by award-winning author hannibal johnson. he has written several books on the topic including the newest, "black wall street 100," an american city grapples with its historic racial trauma. good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> good morning. >> i guess there are two distinct issues right now, the story of what happened in tulsa in greenwood and the
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implications that has for our future and the lessons we can learn from it, and the fact that that wasn't taught. that simply wasn't a story that is still to this day widespread, common knowledge in the united states. we have two different issues that you and others have been trying to contend with. where are we on both of them? >> well, we are certainly making progress. now, historically history has escaped us for a number of reasons. this happened in 1921, so tulsa was on an upward trajectory to becoming the oil capital of the world. the city leaders really didn't want to talk about this. there was also shame in the white community for the fact that they had let this happen. post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, fear, fear that this could recur, anxiety about sharing this information with children in successive generations for fear it might hobble them in some way. for those and other reasons the
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history hadn't been incorporated into regular curriculum and also really one key is it hadn't been included in textbooks for many years. but that has begun to change. i worked with the 1921 tulsa race massacre centennial commission, and part of our goal has been to really acknowledge and embrace this history, to teach the history, and also to help with how do you teach it to various school districts. i'm happy to say my school district, tulsa schools, is on the edge of history. they are developing curriculum for k through 12 around this history at age-appropriate levels, in a multi-disciplinary way. you won't be exposed to this just in american history class or oklahoma history class, but in a variety of disciplines as appropriate. >> i want to read you something. one of the things that happens on july 1st, which is kind of interesting, is that the
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republican governor has signed a law that bars teaching concepts or courses that would cause people to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish or any other form of psychological distress because of their race or gender. how does that affect the ability to teach the tulsa massacre in schools. >> that's house bill 1775 that was recently signed. part of the problem with that legislation is its ambiguity. it is hard to know what is proscribed and what was is admitted under that law. for example, talk about history that makes us feel a sense of discomfort, when i talk about the 1921 tulsa race massacre and the history surrounding that, when i talk about red summer, when i talk about lynching, all of those topics, those important historical topics that we must discuss, cannot be discussed without giving us some level of
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discomfort. in fact, i would argue that if people who are part of the teaching and learning process around these issues don't feel discomfort, there's something wrong with them. it is uncomfortable. >> yeah. >> that is the point. the point is we need to know this history such that we don't repeat the mistakes of the past, and we have to work through the discomfort that it might engender. so the legislation, i believe, is going to create a chilling effect for teachers because they don't know what they can do and what they can't do specifically. some teachers are going to be reluctant to teach hard history, and we are all going to be harmed by the fact that we don't engage around this crucial part of our past. >> yes, because this is by definition hard history but it is crucial that we learn it. hannibal, you have been a great proponent of learning because of
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the work that you do, that so many of us do learn about it. hannibal johnson, author of "black wall street 100, an american city grapples with its historical racial trauma." by the way, we will talk about what the future of black prosperity is in this country tomorrow. straight ahead, i'm talking with janet napolitano about how republicans in the senate killed any prospects about getting to the bottom of the january 6th insurrection. another hour of "velshi" starts now. ♪ ♪ good morning. it is saturday, may 29th. i'm ali velshi. president biden is due to meet with russian president vladimir putin in geneva in 18 days. they will have much to discuss, from ukraine to covid-19 to election and political interference, but looming largest at the moment, a new ongoing cyberattack targeted u.s. government agencies that russia's foreign intelligence service is allegedly orchestrating. a russian-based hacking group
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dubbed nobelium, the group responsible for the solarwinds attack, is targeting think tanks and other organizations. it is believed to be run by russian intelligence service. according to microsoft the attacks are ongoing and part of the intelligence gathering effort. microsoft says the latest campaign targeted 3,000 e-mail accounts across 150 organizations in at least 24 countries and has been going on since at least january, right at the end of the solarwinds attack. in a statement, mark warner says in part, quote, we must make clear to russia and any other adversaries that they will face consequences for this and any other malicious cyber activity. that statement was released around the time these 35 senate republicans voted to black a bill that was negotiated by a member of their own party, set up -- to set up a non-partisan commission to investigate the january 6th insurrection. these republicans you are

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