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now calls her party's quote, dangerous direction. just days after being ousted from house leadership, cheney was on abc this morning likening her party's embrace of trump to a slide toward autocracy. >> where does it say about the party choosing somebody to replace you who is effectively chosen by donald trump? >> i think it's dangerous. i think that we have to recognize how quickly things can unravel. we have to recognize what it means for the nation to have a former president who has not conceded. >> meanwhile, that former president is throwing new conspiracies into the ether over that bogus 2020 recount that was just extended in arizona, claiming maricopa county officials deleted its elections database and threw out republican votes. trump's statement so out there that maricopa county reporter steven rijker hit twitter to debunk it and called the former president, quote, unhinged. county reporter is in charge of
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public records, including voter registration, so he would know. he also called for help from fellow republicans to stand up to such big lies. the big question, will anyone heed that call. kicking us off, alena trene, and eugene daniels, coauthor of "playbook" also an msnbc political contributor. there are lot of people who have been ringing the alarm well before liz cheney about donald trump being a national security threat. but i wonder, does this warning coming from her carry extra weight or is it more persuasive for a certain set of people given her and her family's background? >> well, i think after this week, we see clearly where congressman cheney stands. i think a lot of republicans now within capitol hill and also outside of washington, d.c. have branded her as the chief trump critic in the republican party.
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so among former president's supporters, it might not carry as much weight, but among most people, it does carry a lot of weight because you're right, she is a cheney. she's someone who even though she is one of few republicans right now to openly criticize former president trump, she's still very conservative. she's voted with the former president, you know, around 90% over his four years in office. and she does carry the cheney name, which democrats have long, you know, very much criticized and have been against. so it's going to be interesting to see how she continues her brand. she very much is leaning into her brand after she was removed from her leadership position, i was told, from those close to her that she plans to lean even harder into her criticisms of the former president as well as what she says continue to enable trump, like kevin mccarthy, the gop leader, and steve scalise, the number two in the house. it will be interesting to see how much her words carry weight among the gop base as we move
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further into the future and she continues to level these criticisms against both gop leadership and former president trump. >> eugene, kind of wild where we refer to legislators as having brands like they're instagram influencers. i want you to listen to what two republican congressmen said about trump. >> he's one of many leaders in the party. we're five months into president biden's presidency, and there is a time to move on. >> you can't say he's the leader and then say we have to move on. i would love to move on. we're sitting here with donald trump throwing up all this smoke screen of four months ago. we want to move on. it's hard to do when he keeps bringing it back to a stolen election. >> eugene, you have some republicans saying it's time to move on, but to kinzinger's point, just yesterday, the former president was accusing arizona election officials of throwing out ballots. another bold faced lie. tog about the desire to move
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forward but the lack of appetite for actually grapping with what the former president is actually saying and doing. >> because they want to move forward without having to grapple. that is mng that a lot of people just don't want them to do because it seems like that's a conversation they as a party need to have. one of the reasons that liz cheney no longer has a position in leadership in the house is because she kept talking. but what's happening is donald trump has continued and continued to spread these lies. the lies are continuing to grow and getting stranger. that arizona statement that you put up being one of them. and i think that the republican party at this point does not -- still does not know what to do with donald trump and trumpism. you have one representative there saying he's one of many leaders. he's not. this is not a party where there is -- they talked about having a big tent. it is a small tent of people who have to do what donald trump says, have to guesstimate how
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donald trump would accept something or react to something, and that is how they have been operating over the last five months. and sure, there's time for them to continue and figure out what to do with donald trump, but as you have said, unless they reckon with, okay, if we say anything outside of what he says, which is the election was stolen, which is obviously isn't true, then we go the way of liz cheney. obvious what the party has chosen, but we have talkin' a lot about whether or not this is a civil war. we called that in the playbook and at politico, but it's not. this is a surge. this is a purge and not a civil war. if this was a civil war in the republican party, the two sides would probably be equally resourced, and that is not the case. the backing, the republicans have chosen donald trump, where that leads them, we'll have to see, this all comes from appeasing donald trump's worst inclinations and humoring him, which is what we have heard for years, even when he called foul in 2020.
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it's also important to remember he didn't just cry foul in 2020 falsely. he also said in the iowa caucuses in 2016 that ted cruz only won because he cheated, and even after winning the 2016 election against hillary clinton, he said the only reason she won the popular vote is because undocumented people in california, 3 million votes, i think he said, illegally. so that's something he's continued to do and it's not new, and the party humored him and now we have seen where that's brought him. >> and in the midst of all that humoring, what no one wants to lose sight of is the actual facts. the house on friday struck a deal to establish an independent commission to investigate what happened on january 6th. mccarthy immediately said he had concerns, wanted the commission to include issues leading up to the attack, antifa involvement, et cetera. then homeland security chairman bennie thompson, take a listen to what he said to ali velshi about that move. >> no, we won't. not in this commission. we're talking strictly about the
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event of january 6th. if there's some individuals who want to set up another commission, then that's perfectly within their right as members of congress. but for what we have here today, we're looking solely from a scope of what happened on january 6th. >> to make sure that this never happens again, it is critical that there is actual historical document, that there is this committee, that they listen to all of this. how do democrats then keep this hearing focused and prevent it from turning into a circus, which seems to be the direction republicans are leaning in? >> it's going to be difficult, especially given how partisan the debate over what happened on january 6th is. and i think that's a big reason why we saw bennie thompson come on television this weekend and say, very clearly and decidedly, this is the only way this commission will move forward, is if it's focused on january 6th. not focused on anything outside of it. republicans wanted to include a look at some of the protests
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that happened in the aftermath of the murder of george floyd. bennie thompson and democrats are saying no way. if this commission is going to move forward, it needs to be focused. we'll see. i think one of the big wins that a lot of democrats are saying is that the republican who is chairing it in the house is congressman john packo, who voted to impeach trump after the attack on the capitol. we'll see. the biggest issue has been what the scope will be. now that we know it's going to be focused, and that's what leaders are pushing for, at least democratic leaders, they'll be able to move on with that. they want to get a report in by the end of the year. a very quick timeline for what's happening with this sort of thing. but they're going to be trying very hard to focus it on this and subpoenas and other things and documents that relate to it. i think as long as democrats keep leaning into that and insuring in their messaging and also within the walls of congress and the walls of the hearing rooms, they'll be able
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to find more information to lead them and help them in this investigation. >> all right, thank you. eugene is sticking around because next, we're diving into eugene's latest reporting inploit co revealing talks in palm beach county, florida, about what to do if the former president is indicted and an extradition order. >> plus, the cdc out today before the american people to make clear what it meant when it said vaccinated americans can forego the masks. on the covid front, younger americans are now eligible for the pfizer shots. the first pediatrician to sit in congress weighs in. and later, richard lui joins us to check in on atlanta, a city reeling after a horrific massacre on the aapi community. we're just getting started here on "american voices." like a classic italian b.m.t.® stacked with fresh veggies. there's a subway® three blocks from here! choose better, be better. and now save when you order in the app. subway®. eat fresh.
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what is donald trump is denited by manhattan's district attorney, and what if his extradition is ordered? politico revealing it's already on the minds of officials in palm beach county, florida, home to the former president's mar-a-lago resort. county officials fear a fight over extradition because they anticipate florida governor ron desantis would help protect trump from having to surrender to new york authorities. eugene daniels is on the by-line of that reporting and is back with us and joining us, former watergate prosecutor, msnbc contributor and cohost of the #sistersinlaw podcast, jill wine banks.
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talk us through your reporting. how would an indictment play out in palm beach? >> it is kind of like amazing even the fact we're having this conversation. i don't know that a lot of people thought we would be talking about a former president even possibly being indicted. to have these palm beach local officials working to kind of figure out how you would do that if a president gets indicted, how would you handle an arrest, how would you handle this extradition? what do you do with the secret service if he has to sit in a jail cell? these are the conversations they have been having because no one knows how this would work out. trump has left palm beach and is in jersey now, so the preparations may have been for naught unless any kind of indictment came down after he heads back. there's this interesting aspect of a law where a palm beach official told playbook there's a statute that florida governor ron desantis could potentially not comply with the extradition notice. that's something that's also an
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aspect of it. they're having these conversations trying to figure out how they could handle this. it's something you don't know what to do because you can't just roll up on a president because they have a secret service, so there are all of these aspects of it that they have to handle with care. we don't know where cy vance is in that investigation. we know it's intensified. we don't know if there's charges coming down. but the fact that they're having these conversations is remarkable in and of itself. >> i wonder what it says that they're having those conversations and if you can explain to us the extradition process. how could this all end? >> well, let me say this is something that i had to face during watergate as well. we wanted to indict the president after he left office, and how would you go about that? or while he was in the oval office, how would you actually serve papers on him? the extradition is something that should happen routinely. there is comity between states. they normally would not even question it. there is no legitimate grounds once there's a legitimate
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indictment in any state for a governor of that state to object. florida law does include something that gives a little extra power to the governor. but he has to have some legitimate reason for exercising it. and if there's a legitimate indictment, there is no reason for him to do that. in which case he would -- the defendant would have to answer charges in the state in which he is indicted. and i think that with cy vance, it will happen, certainly before the end of the year. in new jersey, the law is the same as in florida. but the governor is a democrat, and so there's a belief that he would not object to the extradition to new york to stand trial for charges. >> jill, i want -- i'm sorry, finish that thought. >> go ahead. >> i want you to set the stakes for us. this would be the first charges against a former u.s. president. how important and how all of this goes down is a case of a test of our justice system.
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>> yes, it is. and i think that in a normal situation, and nothing about anything that trump has done is normal, he would be charged based on a grand jury having done the investigation and having found substantial evidence, and in the case of a president, the grand jury is going to need more than reasonable doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt. with a president, a former president, the grand jury, not by law, but by practice would be looking for absolute conclusive evidence that would lead to a conviction after a trial. and the rules are that a person is entitled to be transferred. this happens all the time, when a bank robber flees to another state. he's extradited back. when a shooter in kenosha fled wisconsin, fled back to his home state of illinois, he was extradited back to kenosha to stand murder charges.
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this is traditional in our criminal system. and we can't let anything stand in the way of our justice system. so he should be extradited and stand trial. assuming that there is an indictment. i had the privilege of interviewing cy vance, and he is expecting to make a decision before he leaves office at the end of the year. so that means that donald trump might be back at mar-a-lago with the protection of governor desantis or it might happen while he's still in his recess from mar-a-lago, and is in new jersey with the democratic governor. >> eugene, for those who are not following this as closely as you are, what did your reporting show you about how close vance really is to indicting trump? >> they're not letting us in on that. they're keeping that close to the vest in a way these investigations are, partly to make sure people can trust any kind of decision that he does make. he's retiring at the end of this year, he says, and so like it
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was just said, it seems like whatever decision comes, it will happen, and the fact of that, like i said, we're talking about this as, you know, it's hard to kind of wrap your brain around it. but the -- it's surrounding taxes, and surrounding all these other things, and it's going to intensify over and over since it started, so it seems like if there is something coming, it would come within months. >> all right. eugene and jill, thank you both. next, the first pediatrician elected to congress shares her thoughts about teens now being eligible for the pfizer vaccine. and later, a look into how a cake and a curtsy has changed what people think about arizona senator kyrsten sinema.
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to mask or not to mask? the cdc is out today working to clarify that. after releasing its latest guidance for vaccinated americans. here's the cdc's director today
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on "meet the press." >> this was not permission to shed masks for everybody everywhere. this was really science driven individual assessment of your risk. we needed this foundation, this building block, in order to revise all of that guidance. >> in short, this next step toward normal is paved by individual responsibility. and cities across the country are working to reward those who get vaccinated. which takes us to san francisco, where we find nbc's scott cohn. what are some of the inventives you're seeing officials offer in the bay area? >> well, you know, they're trying to get creative with it, and they're also trying to aim it at younger people. so for example, in santa clara county, south of here, they're having -- they were having teen nights at levi's stadium, where the 49ers play. and also giving away fast food gift certificates. and in the city of venetia, they're giving away pizzas,
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aimed at getting the youth contingent vaccinated. they have done well out here with vaccinations, to be sure. 75% of the people in san francisco have gotten at least one shot. but they feel like they need to do better. there are also private entities getting into it, which plains why i'm here at a place called super duper burgers, a chain throughout this area. there are four locations downtown giving away a free order of french fries with proof of vaccination. maybe not the best incentive for your arteries, but they hope it's good for public health and good for business. >> employees and are guests are very important for us, so encouraging people to get vaccinated would seem to really help with that. you know, if everyone's gotten their vaccinations and people are, you know, no longer worried about getting exposed to it, i think it will just help the
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restaurant industry build its way back up. >> people do seem to be taking them up on that offer. they say that at these four locations where they're doing this offer, they're giving away about 75 to 100 free orders of french fries every day. whether that was the deciding factor of getting people vaccinated, we don't know. the fries aren't all that bad. they're pretty good. but we'll see how this goes. >> scott, you and i have spent a lot of time together in the past year in this capacity, and i gotta tell you, it makes me so happy to see you inside a restaurant instead of standing outside a hospital. thank you for your reporting tonight. >> for more on the new mask mandates and the fda's new guidance on vaccines for young teens. let's bring in kim schrier, democrat from washington. she's the first pediatrician to sit in congress. the cdc updated its guidance on masks last week. unvaccinated people no longer required to wear them. the nation's largest nurses union is calling the move
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dangerous. listen to what dr. fauci told jonathan capehart in response. >> i do have a great deal of respect for them. however, i don't think that that's the case, jonathan. i think people who are unvaccinated should continue to wear masks. we're talking only about the people who are vaccinated. not the unvaccinated. so the unvaccinated people should continue to wear masks to protect themselves. >> i will admit that when i read unvaccinated, i thought i had read it incorrectly, and i think that is part of the confusion. do you agree with dr. fauci's assessment there? >> i do, but i would also step back and say i think everybody is just getting used to this new news and this new reality. and the science is so great on this. you know, when we went looking for this vaccine, we were hoping we would get a vaccine that would be maybe 50% effective. and what we have ended up with is upper 90s, three vaccines
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that are highly effective, not only at preventing hospitalization and death, but also just preventing you from getting the illness at all and preventing you from spreading it to others. when you put those things together, you can't get it, and you can't spread it oothers, it makes perfectly good sense that people who have been immunized can be out and about and feel safe. i think the question comes up about what about the other people, the people who can't -- the young kids who can't get a vaccine yet? >> let's talk about the young kids because you're a pediatrician, i'm a parent, so this is top of mind. new recommendation to use the pfizer vaccine, kids 12 to 15. what do you say to someone who is hesitant not about taking the vaccine themselves but administering the vaccine to their child? >> well, first, just mom to mom, i would say that my 12-year-old got the pfizer vaccine yesterday. first thing he did was go straight to crispy cream
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doughnuts to get a doughnut as a reward. and i had absolutely no hesitation. and i think here's how i would say this to parents. not only has the vaccine been tested thoroughly. it's also now been in millions of arms in this country. we have a good track record of safety. we buckle our kids up every day when we gettane car, even though the risk of getting in a car accident that would be dangerous is very, very low. i look at this the same way. now we can have family vacations, go to summer camp, eat lunch with our friends, have sleepovers. i think it's freeing and exciting. >> i'm really inspired by your child's initiative to get that doughnut as quickly as possible. at a speech today at emory university, dr. fauci said that covid-19 has shone a bright light on our own society's failings and exposed the undeniable effects of racism. what do you see as congress' role in making sure that those
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failings are addressed? >> well, i think we have seen in so many ways over the past year a lot of societal realities just laid bare. whether that is policing and justice, whether that's our health care system and certain groups of people who are still disadvantaged. and you know, it's that whole cycle. if you live in an area where there aren't any hospitals or physicians and you can't get care and you don't have insurance, or you can't get time off work to go get care, then it leaves you more vulnerable to covid. that's the whole cycle that we're looking to address. by increasing equity, expanding health care, raising wages, and even the child tax credit. >> i want to ask you one more question that i'll ask you to put your pediatrician hatd on. do you think vaccinating kids will have an overall effect on the virus. we keep talking about getting this under control, needing to get to herd immunity.
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what role do you see kids playing in that? >> kids make up about 25% of our population, so they play a huge role. we won't get to herd immunity unless and until we get our children's part of our responsi. and it protects our children. >> thank you for your time. >> next, the sinema factor. a new piece looks into the political power of a self-proclaimed senate moderate. the reporter on the story is going to join us. >> later, the president expresses concerns over the rising escalations in the middle east. stick with us. ♪ it's grilled cheese time. ♪ ♪ yeah, it's time for grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ after we make grilled cheese, ♪ ♪ then we're eating grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ because it's time. ♪ ♪ yeah. ♪ ♪ time for grilled cheese. ♪
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moment in american politics. in recent days, biden has worked inside and outside his own party to whip support for his infrastructure plan. giving republicans until this tuesday to deliver its counterproposal of the party's initial plan. while we don't know what they'll counter with, it is all but assured they won't give in to allowing biden's proposed corporate tax hikes. that's where kyrsten sinema comes in. as "the washington post" reports, senate minority leader mitch cconnell has insured others in private, pointing in particular to the voting record of senator kyrsten sinema. he's talking, of course, of when sinema curtsies as she voted against including a $15 minimum wage in biden's covid relief bill. with me, amanda becker, washington correspondent for the 19th. you recently published this profile on sinema and wrote her coalition with republicans
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without showing signs of recalibration has arizona progressives worried sinema is poised to throw bombs at her own party's priorities. after the curtsy, how did those optics fuel the perception that she's more interested in working with republicans than with her own party? >> yeah, the optics, according to all of the arizona progressives who i spoke to, i spent a week in arizona meeting with various people, and they viewed the optics of that vote as being kind of like a callous treatment of voting against including the minimum wage. now, senator sinema has said she's for raising the minimum wage. she said that for a long time. she said the only reason she didn't this time is because she didn't feel it was appropriate to include it in the covid relief package. but people said, you know, why do you need do it like this if that's how you're going to vote inthe back story, i found out, is earlier that day, she had brought a cake to some senate staffers who stayed up all night reading the bill, which was more than 600 pages.
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those staffers were on the floor and thanking her for the cake. so i was told by people who were there that day that that curtsy was kind of a response to them. now, why her office did not explain that more fully or why she didn't choose to is anyone's guess. >> your headline kind of answered that. someone who works with sinema said they don't think her views have changed, just her approach, which i think is pretty surprising. i wonder, first, if you buy that, and then how the start of her political career in arizona state house shaped the way that she's currently navigating through the u.s. senate. >> i do think it seems like from the people i spoke to who are close to her that what she views personally doesn't always dictate how she legislates, because she sees herself as representing the interests of her constituents. now, which constituents she's representing most currently is, you know, up for debate. but when she started out in the state house, she was a very left-wing, anti-war, code pink
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activist who basically acknowledged in a book that she wrote a few years ago that, you know, her first year in the legislature was a complete bust. she described herself as giving kind of speeches to no end on the floor, so after that, she decided she was going to change the way she approached things. so she started working with her republican colleagues a lot more. she started moderating the language she used to discuss things. the difference now, of course, is that for the first time in sinema's political career, her party is in the majority. and she's still taking great pains to have the optics of reaching across the aisle to republicans, and that's why democrats are now worried that their policies might be the ones that are derailed. >> there's that concern, and then there's also the question about how some liberals in her state, unions in arizona, no longer feel welcome in sinema's circles. what did you hear? >> this is a lawmaker who wrote an entire book on coalition building and how important it was to have everyone feel welcome in your coalition.
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what i was hearing over and over again from more progressive leaning groups in arizona, is that not only do they not feel included in discussions with her or her staff on key policy issues, they don't even know how to reach her in some cases. i was talking to a labor leader down in pima county, which is kind of the center of the democratic base in arizona. and she was saying that they just flat out do not have a relationship with senator sinema or her staff. and that was a change, even from jeff flake, a republican former senator. so they are really kind of at odds about what to do about this, and meanwhile, sinema has been having a series of meetings with business and industry groups. >> and all of this is with an eye toward 2024. you write the state's democrats warn sinema needs to tread carefully lest her focus on independent leaning voters means she loses the support of the progressives who made the calls and knocked on doors. i mean, arizona is so
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interesting, right? the role it played in 2020, the role that it continues to play in the national conversation. even just what we have seen there this past week with sort of this push and pull where you're seeing all of a sudden some progress on rights for dreamers. we're going to talk about that in the next hour. talk to me a little bit about that calculus for re-election going into 2024. >> she seems to be making the calculation currently that she should focus on the constituents that she sees as having gotten her over the finish line and elected, which are kind of centrist voters, sometimes republican cross overvoters, independents, arizona has more independents than a lot of other states do. i don't know what that calculation will look like come 2024. and beyond, when she needs to start running for re-election, because, you know, these progressive groups were saying it's fine if we don't agree all the time with her on what she does, but we're the ones who knocked on doors. we're the ones who leafletted
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and had call centers and worked to elect her as the first democratic senator in a very long time. and they are feeling very shut out, and many of them told me they would not put the same effort into re-electing her. >> amanda, thank you for your reporting and thanks for joining us tonight. >> next, revisiting atlanta exactly two months after eight people were killed at three spas and massage parlors there. >> four women in my county woke up, and they went to work. like you did and your crew this morning. and they did not come home, of no fault of their own, so this is not acceptable. that's what i want america to take away from it. >> and later, the chair of the arizona democratic party will tell us how her state has become a breeding ground for trumpism and what she's doing to root it out.
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full force this weekend to take a stand against the rise of attacks targeting asian-americans. shows of support in at least a dozen cities, as part of unity against hate. an international rally held both online and in person. the timing, no coincidence, as the group stop aapi hate reports attacks on members of the community have nearly doubled in recent weeks. and today, marking exactly two months since the spa massacres in atlanta, killing eight people, six of asian descent. the d.a. in charge of the case intends to seek a hate crime sentence and the death penalty against the shooter. for families, they're still discovering what all this means for themselves and the country. richard lui was in atlanta this week with this exclusive. >> this is you park here. >> yes. >> and maybe you would walk right up there, and where would your mom be standing? >> her, her dog would be at the door. >> right there? >> right there, smiling, waiting
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for me. >> bobby peterson remembers his mother. she was one of eight people killed in march. the gunman targeted three spas in two counties in the atlanta area. six were asian women. >> it's hard every time i pull into the complex. because the day that my mother was killed, i had to look for her. and so every single time i pull in, that's when i knew that she wasn't coming back. >> this week, a fulton county grand jury indicted the shooter on murder charges. >> sentence enhancement based on alleged motivation by bias and/or prejudice. >> if the suspect is convicted of murder, the d.a. says she will seek hate crime penalties based on gender and race. and will pursue the death penalty. >> are you satisfied? >> my mother is not here, i
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don't know when i'll find happiness again. i am thankful this is the direction that they chose to go. i am appreciative that she is standing up for asians and letting them know that our lives do matter. >> a suspect killed four others in neighboring cherokee county. in that case, hate crime charges are so far not included. mike webb still fights for his former wife, who was killed. >> he has to pay for this. but there won't be justice for us until this stops, whether it's hate crimes against the asian community or these mass shootings, it's horrible. she was proud to be an american citizen. i just feel so bad that her life ended in america like it did. >> randy park's mother was also killed. the woman was a single mom, she
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worked long hours for randy and his brother. randy is now the head of the household at just 22 years old. >> how often do you think about your mother? >> i don't know if it's appropriate to because right now it's just all about just trying to get things back on track. >> what would you want to say to your mom now if you had one opportunity to say something to her? >> you can rest. chill out, relax. you don't have to work anymore. >> reporter: two months later, the flowers are gone, the people are gone, the windows empty, the buildings now for rent. for bobby peterson, though, the fight for justice, that's just beginning. >> now that really i'm seeing my background as a black and korean person come together in this moment that, yeah, i now want to
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recognize and show you that i am korean and i want you to know that. and that my life, my mother's life mattered. >> richard joins us now. richard, so good to hear from these families. why did they decide to open up now given that a lot of them had originally been reticent. what do they want for the future for these charges? >> as they look at what is happening, they're seeing the marches over this past weekend versus today in cincinnati, that just happening, in an historic moment. but what they would really like, as you saw with -- bobby peterson is what can they do now to change the dynamic? and for other family members as well, they're trying to figure out how do they get back to whatever getting back to is. and so as they look forward to the next month or a year, it is trying to get their families back in order and deciding what they can do to make a difference. they didn't expect that they
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would be doing this to change the country. >> so powerful to hear there from randy park, right, and what it is that he's going through. i wonder as you went into the community, as you were able to talk with people, what surprised you most? >> what surprised me most on this is that we're still debating that coming together of race and gender in this case. and even they on the background were talking about how should they go about -- what do they actually want? the death penalty, they're not sure whether they want it or they don't. because they understand what had happened with their own family members in this case with randy and with bobby, their mothers' lives taken away. it's very difficult for all the families to really know what is the right decision next. it's a long journey for them. >> richard, thank you so much for staying on this story. we're going to see you back here soon for a news update. be sure to check out richard's new book "enough about me." ahead for us, an update from
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president biden expressing concerns tonight about the safety of civilians and journalists amid the ongoing violence between israel and gaza. so far, 42 palestinians have been killed, including 10 children. diplomats have convened emergency meetings to demand a stop to the bloodshed. the israeli prime minister defended the action after launching an air strike that toppled a 12-story buildings. >> reporter: this was the deadliest single israeli strike we have seen in this conflict so far. at least 42 people killed, including 16 women and 10 children. that means we now have more than 50 palestinian children killed across gaza over the last seven days. that death toll has been rising
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hour by hour by hour as emergency crews in gaza city pull more bodies out of the rubble. a number of palestinian medical personnel working in gaza's already collapsing health care system also believed to have been killed. i have asked the israeli military what was the target here, what were you aiming for? they told me they were going after a hamas underground military infrastructure that was beneath civilian homes and when they struck that infrastructure, it collapsed and the civilian homes collapsed on top of it. now, nbc news cannot independently verify those claims about underground facilities. we do know hamas sets up bases in civilian areas, but the question under international law is, even if this was a legitimate military target, was its military significance enough to outweigh this massive
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civilian death toll? meanwhile the u.n. security council has been meeting in new york where we have heard expressions of concern but not a lot of concrete action. president biden's new u.n. ambassador linda thomas-greenfield saying she's worried about civilian casualties on both sides and saying the u.s. is prepared to lend our support and good offices should the parties, hamas and israel, seek a cease-fire. now that is not the same as using america's significant diplomatic clout to bang on the table and demand a cease-fire. prime minister benjamin netanyahu of israel earlier indicating he's not actually looking for a cease-fire right now. he wants more time on the battlefield to degrade hamas's military capabilities. now we turn to the big political news across america, the gop's full-throated embrace
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of trumpism and we look at what that move could cost the party when it comes to winning over the next generation of voters. the head of arizona's democratic party reacts to that extended recount in maricopa county now fueled by a fresh conspiracy theory from donald trump himself. you'll hear from the woman shaking up new york city's race for mayor, kathryn garcia will join us, as will sarah jacobs who says now is the time for congress to step in and help parents. welcome to a new hour of "american voices." thank you for being with us. when forced to choose, congressional republicans are sticking by their man. the man who cost them control of the white house, the senate and the house. so now what about america's next generation of voters? will young people side with a party that refuses to side with the truth. new reporting today from "the hill" reminds us w

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