tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC May 6, 2021 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
reelection. tonight, again, a serious shock, the atlantic constitution reporting that she will not seek a second term as mayor. we don't know why, we expect to learn more tomorrow when she gives a news conference at 10 am, i will definitely be watching. that's gonna do it for us tonight, we'll see you tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, and without having any idea with america going to tell us, i have to tell you when i was working in the senate and senators would and mount, sometimes some very big announcements, and stunned reporters would be asking why? we would all be sitting here saying, well know it would be strange or if we ran for reelection. understanding not running for reelection has always been the easy part from me, from living inside the lives that these people have to live. it is the running for reelection and staying with it that is the harder thing to both do and understand as you watch people do it.
it is such a difficult job. >> yeah. although in this case, she so clearly seemed to have gotten through that switch and decided that is where she was going and having had options to stop what she was doing and instead go to something very different in washington, know she was gonna stay in every up in atlanta, did the fund-raiser, so this is a late breaking shocker of a decision. we will find out more tomorrow, but i for one, i'm quite surprised. >> yeah, and rachel, as we approach mother's day i'm thinking about a new policy here at the last word that maybe could spread towards all television and that is what if, what if tv guests had to bring their moms? what about that? the reason i'm thinking about that is julián castro is joining us tonight with his mother rosie castro who was a
political activist long before julián and his brother joaquin even thought about it, she thought them everything she knows about politics. finally, only tonight rosie castro is making her first appearance on this program. it makes me feel like one have i've been doing over the last few years? she should've been your long time ago. >> it sounds like a -- i also love the idea that you can just say to people, listen, we would like to book you and if you want to bring your mom who can, as always. that is just a standing fool for the last word that moms are always welcome. excellent plan. >> you're coming to talk about your book, but bring your mom if she's available. that should be the policy. come on. >> i love it. it also means there's a chaperone for every show. it would keep things on the straight narrow. if there is always a mom. >> let's try it.
thank you, rachel. today president biden picked up important bipartisan support for his infrastructure plan from a louisiana republican. that republican is not a member of the house or senate where republicans are not allowed to support the biden plan. that republican is the mayor of lake charles louisiana where an important bridge on interstate through ten is in desperate need of repair and rebuilding. and louisiana today joe biden showed once again while republicans in washington are having so much trouble disagreeing with president biden on policy. we >> when it comes to bridges and roads, i've never seen a republican or democrat road, i just see roads. >> i just see roads. okay republicans, what is your response to that? just like the rest of us, joe
biden just sees roads. that kind of simple, clear top from joe biden is something that republicans have absolutely no answer to, non, not one word. that is why they want to talk about donald trump being banned from facebook, and that's why they want to talk about banning kids from playing on sports teams and that is why they want to talk about banning liz cheney and any republican who tells the truth about the last presidential election for many leadership roles in the republican party. they would rather fight with liz cheney than trying to fight with joe biden on his infrastructure plan because not a single bridge, or highway, or railroad track that they can point to anywhere in the country is in better shape today because donald trump was president. >> i got so tired hearing infrastructure and nothing happened. >> mitch mcconnell has now said
the thing that he was trying not to say, trying not to sit for a while. he was trying to pretend that the republicans were being shut out of the legislative process in the senate and the house by the democrats. mitch mcconnell was trying to encourage democratic senator joe manchin to continue to try to pursue republican senators to support the biden infrastructure bill and the rest of the biden agenda, including preserving the right to vote in america. but mitch mcconnell kills that dream yesterday, he killed the dream of the senate working the way it used to work before mitch mcconnell became the leader of the senate. he said yesterday that he has all 50 republican senators locked in place, in total unity, in opposition to everything joe biden wants to do. everything. it was the perfect echo of the total obstruction that mitch mcconnell declared as his goal
against president barack obama. >> our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny president obama a second term. one >> hundred percent of my focus is on standing up to this administration, what we have in the united states senate is total unity from susan collins to ted cruz and opposition to what the new biden administration is trying to do to this country. >> and there it is. the reason mitch mcconnell said that yesterday is because mitch mcconnell has no solutions to any problems this country is facing and the only way he can identify the republican party to voters is in total opposition to joe biden. accompanied by total devotion to donald trump. after mitch mcconnell condemn donald trump on the senate floor at the end of the impeachment trial in february, mitch mcconnell's favourability among republicans was up 30%, now it is at 42%. total opposition to joe biden
is working for mitch mcconnell, but it does not work for nic hunter, the republican mayor of lake charles, louisiana, who stood with president biden today and said this. >> mister president, we come from different backgrounds. we come from different areas of the country's, we grew up in different areas, candidly mister president we are members of different political parties. there would be some policy that we would disagree on if we sat down with each other for a conversation, but i guarantee you, i would be willing to have that conversation with you. i do believe that we can agree on the dire need here in lake charles for an infrastructure plan. i would never let anything stand in the way of me being here today, of me being anywhere to have an audience with someone who could help. right now, southwest louisiana needs all of our elected officials to fight for the
people of this community and be willing to break bread with anyone who can help. >> and president biden said this. >> i find more support from republican governors and mayors and democratic mayors in the country because they have to answer to questions. is live better in this town, this city, this state than before i got elected? >> we have jennifer palmieri and a cohost of showtime the circus. john let me start with you and nic hunter because we have a few hundred elected republicans in washington and we have several thousands of them out there because -- and when you listen to someone like mayor nic hunter talking about the biden infrastructure
bill, that is a really different experience than listening from those republicans in washington. >> it's very different, lawrence. and nick hunter is not alone, my guess is you're gonna find local electives that are going to be on the far right of the spectrum and they're not gonna like the things that joe biden wants to do. but you're gonna find a lot more who joe biden understanding this point perfectly, when it comes to covid relief and the first big bill, when it comes to jobs and now when it comes to infrastructure, their attitude is we need help. the country is falling apart. we need help with covid, we need help with infrastructure. i think that more an infrastructure, even in some ways than covid, the way in which the biden administration is going about defining and redefining would bipartisanship mean, they are likely to find a lot of nick hunters and a lot of evidence to point to that the things they want to do with
infrastructure have support, just not in the senate or the house of representatives. >> jennifer, what we saw nick hunter do today, we have seen all of our lives. presidents have been going around the country being received by mayors of the opposite party, governors of the opposite parties and especially when they talk about infrastructure needs in the area, they are fully supportive by that mayor or governor of the opposite party. in this trump world of republican politics, what we are seeing with nic hunter today is political bravery. he is smart enough to know that if we were to try to run for congress now as a republican, that his party would be in very strong opposition to him because he one day agreed with joe biden about something very apart important for his community. >> that is a big question in my mind. what is the future of the
republican party? is it republicans outside of washington, governor justice in west virginia, the mayor in louisiana today, mayor of oklahoma city, are they the future of the party or is it the people who are in washington that are just trying to obstruct anything that biden does. the distressing thing about mcconnell coming out and saying what he said about yes i am doing this again, i'm going to oppose everything this president does just like i did obama, is that it leads to dysfunction at some level. things that could get done are not gonna get done. dysfunction fuels political division, and the republican party thrives on that. but, what's different this time is that infrastructure is very popular and when you are standing in the way are trying to stop things, problems at the american people want to get solved, that could be a problem for these republicans that are
in washington that want to fight everything. >> john, the phrase infrastructure is so helpful to joe biden he, just as to say it and every one of his speeches. remember infrastructure week and it became the joke of the trump presidency. it is hard to go back and recall exactly what happened on infrastructure under each presidency, other than maybe dwight eyes and higher, where the highway system was born. but the one presidency we can tell you exactly what happened on infrastructure is the one that kept talking about infrastructure week, and never had an infrastructure week. >> yes, it is the craziest thing, lawrence. i don't know if you remember there was a brief moment at the end of the 2016 campaign where some people thought, you know what donald trump in that election talked more about
building stuff that he talked about appealing obamacare. he was much more -- he said i'm a builder, i'm gonna build stuff, and they thought that if donald trump comes in and decides to not be a rigid ideological captive to the congressional republican party and decides to do a giant trillion, two trillion dollar infrastructure bill, that could really scrambled the dynamics in washington, instead trump did not do that. he did not focus on infrastructure, instead for that moment, the key moment got captured by paul ryan and mitch mcconnell and took on and try to appeal obamacare, which was something he never cared about and poisoned the well going forward. i will say one thing, you play the sound, that we all remember, you will remember him saying that he was going to fight obama at every turn, he said i'm gonna focus on denying barack obama a second term.
here's the thing lawrence, mitch mcconnell denied barack obama a lot of things and create a division that you never was just talking about, and he didn't deny barack obama a second term, that is one thing that joe biden should look to and say he caused me a lot of trouble but if i can get this economy going, he is not going to be able to deny me a second term either. >> after mitch mcconnell said i have all of the republican senators locked up, they all oppose everything joe biden is proposing. joe manchin who has been trying to do business with a few republican senators hoping he can get them to come on board said this about what senator mcconnell said he said, i don't know what his reasoning is for that, but i can assure you there are republicans working with democrats who want to make something happen. and then, separately a few questions down from that a very important line which gets lost in what he said he said, and at the end of the day, if they
don't vote for it, then we will have another discussion then. jennifer, it seems to me, the only discussion to have is doing this through reconciliation with democrats only which chuck schumer and joe biden seems to be patiently waiting for joe manchin to come to. >> right, i think that is fine. right now there is a lot of work to be done legislatively to get the infrastructure bill underway. that can turn into reconciliation at some point over the summer. if you're worried about the bill passing, if the bipartisan means exhausts itself then there is another way to get it done, through reconciliation. >> thank you very much for starting us off, we really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence.
>> thank you and coming up, whenever i see joaquin castro and his twin brother julián castro, i always wonder, how did their mother do it? what is her magic parenting formula? the answer to that is next in an early mother's day special appearance on the last word of julián castro and his mother, rosie castro who taught him everything he knows about politics. that is up next. that is up next. age-related macular degeneration may lead to severe vision loss. so the national eye institute did 20 years of clinical studies on a formula only found in preservision. if it were my vision, i'd ask my doctor about preservision. it's the most studied eye vitamin brand. if it were my vision, i'd look into preservision.
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won a seat on that same city council. julián castro went on to be elected mayor of san antonio and was chosen by president obama to serve as secretary of housing and urban development. rosie castro's other son joaquin castro is now her congressman. julián castro recently testified to a congressional committee that the political activism is he learned from his mother is essential to guaranteeing the right to vote. >> it's fitting that i join you today to discuss the voting right, because just under 50 years ago my mother was compiling data and research on behalf of the legal defense and education fund for a presentation on the exact same topic that would be used in preparation for testimony to this very committee. she and many other advocates believe that there had not been enough progress on voting rights for latinos and that the 1965 voting rights act had left gaps in local communities, and
they were exploiting disenfranchised individuals. five decades later, unfortunately, i'm here for the very same friesen. >> tonight the texas house of representatives has start a debate on a voter suppression bill that has already been passed by the texas senate, the bill would make casting a vote even more difficult in texas that it was in 1975 when rosie castro was working for the extension of the voting rights act. >> what impact did that -- making sure texas was included in the empowerment in hispanic voters which are racial definition, what did it do for this state? >> thank you for the question, that 1975 extension to minorities was groundbreaking and what it meant was much greater participation particularly through the latin
community here in texas, greater election, the first choice candidate from those communities that changed the face of governments across the state of texas and many other places. it empowered millions of people. >> joining us now julián castro, former mayor of san antonio former secretary of housing and urban development and much more importantly joining us his mother, longtime political activists, rosie castro. thank you both for joining us tonight. rosie let, me begin with you. give us your view of the threat you are seeing to voting rights in texas now compared to the challenges you've seen to voting rights in the past? >> you know, it is very similar to what we have seen in the past. the whole point of spreading the big lie, using that to say that we need to make sure that votes are secure is the kind of
strategy that is used over and over again. it is almost like going back 50 years and having to fight this battle all over again. everything that was done this last time through the voting which was really effective to make sure that african americans, latinos were voting well has been thrown out or they are trying to throw it out. for example, the boxes that can be put in different locations as houston did, that would be coming to an end and san antonio that was not done because the person here in charge of elections felt that it could only be done where she had an office. houston used to be very effective in that. they're also looking at restricting night voting and that was effective in many counties that used it. it makes sense to try to do things that help expand our
voting privileges, are voting rights rather than to diminish them, today we had an op-ed by one of the republicans legislators himself from their county saying that the republicans are wrong in trying to stop this voting -- they're wrong to do this voting suppression. >> secretary castro, many people watching this unfold this year this voting rights challenge that is being faced around the country, they do not have the kind of historical view of it that your mother does and many people your age frankly don't have that view because they don't have your mother there to teach it to them. what hasn't meant to you in the way that you frame this issue in the way that you see this issue, that your mother has been working on it for decades? >> it's meant everything, she's been inspirational, it's the reason why i got into politics,
same with my brother joaquin. she gave us the sense that we should participate and that we should make sure that the doors are open for everybody to participate, so i think that it is important that every single person out there, but especially our young people who are going to have to live with the consequences of the policy decisions that this leadership is making in the state of texas, that they get out there and make their voices heard. i was so proud today to see some of the images coming out of state capital in austin, because that is exactly what we had, we had young people pushing back against these voter suppression efforts. >> rosy, when you are running for city council in central new york every candidate had to be elected statewide, you helped change that so that there would be city council districts and that is when the progress started to get built, that it became possible to elect a latino candidate for example. what are the kinds of ways that
you can see for where activists have to go from here if the texas legislature does pass this bill? what are the kinds of things that voting activists are going to have to do in reaction to that? >> i know one of the very first things that would is what happened in florida, there is going to be lawsuits. i think they have been very good at doing that, they use several groups that join together to try to make sure that we can keep our voting rights. we're also facing redistricting, that has always been a problem in texas, whether it was the democrats back in my time, and now the republicans that have always tried to be district areas so that they are elected. that will lead to lawsuits. i think that we have to continue the fight, we have to continue looking at the data, presenting arguments and trying
to make sure that more people understand what is at stake here. if you can do that, then we should stop seeing some of this voter suppression. the other thing we need to do, in my opinion, we need to elect a whole new group of leadership at every level of the state because leadership is not even a word of what we have in the state of texas. >> i think in the control room we have a picture of you, secretary castro with your brother and your mother back in your college days, i guess. i'm wondering and i've always wondered about this when i see your brother on the show what did their mother do how did she do it, how did she get these kids in the super -- but i'm gonna ask both of you and i want to ask, what did you
feel your mother was doing that set you on this road to super achievement? i think it was something as simple as absolute love, and giving both of us a belief in ourself that we had value, and we could accomplish whatever we set out to. she was an activist who tried to make sure in our american society there was less discrimination. at the same time, she gave us a confidence no matter what we could overcome obstacles. she showed us the way. raising us as a single mom. she showed us you could overcome obstacles, she was a powerful example to us. >> rosie castro, when are you going to write your parenting book? i'm sure people out there want to know all your secrets. >> it's been years. i've been asking. her >> yeah. >> people ask about that sometimes, but i think i will leave that for other people to do. i am very fortunate.
my sons and wife's are really great parents. it's fun to watch that with the grandkids as they're growing up, how nourished and loved they feel. for us, what's been important which was lacking from my mother who came here as an orphan, she didn't get to get an education. she always instilled in us that it was so important to get your or -- education. she regretted she couldn't finish beyond third grade. for us, education has been something that the whole family pushes for. we've always worked in that field. that is extremely important. i'm so glad to see that funding is coming towards the educational area now. perhaps even the first to three years of college.
we have that in san antonio, hopefully we will get it throughout the nation. >> rosie castro, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i hope you have a very happy mother's day. when i see you there with your son, it looks like every day as a happy mother's day for you. >> william castro, thank you for joining us again tonight. don't even think of coming back to the show with your mother. thank you very much. >> thank you lawrence. >> coming up, everyone, including the people who are doing it know that the fake recount of votes in arizona is completely bogus. but is it also against the law? arizona secretary of state katie hobbs will join us next. hobbs will join us next. why not both? visibly diminish wrinkled skin in... crepe corrector lotion... only from gold bond.
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arizona. here is the comical side of what these cyber ninjas are up to. >> in fact, there's accusations of 40,000 ballots being flown into arizona, it was stuffed into the box, okay? they came from the southeast part of the world, asia, okay? and what they're doing is to find out if there is bamboo in the paper. the camera right there, the take a picture of the ballot -- >> federal and state officials are now focusing on what could be the illegal aspects of conducting a fake recount. our next guest katie hobbs, she gave a 60 -- six-page details just in the failures of the procedure which include the use of uncertified system, her failure to act and document change of balance. inaccurate -- inadequate physical security about. counting and uncounted ballots
in about and the fact that there were no procedures for hiring qualified unbiased counters. secretary hobbs writes, former state representative anthony kern. -- and joining us now is arizona secretary of state, katie hobbs. thank you for joining us again tonight. i hesitate to work -- use the word comical, but there are comical elements to this. this is a very serious situation that could cross the
line legally and become illegal. >> well certainly we talk a lot about the security and that six-page letter. we saw yesterday the department of justice weighed in with their concerns about the potential for a violation of federal lies in this process. >> -- what lies laws. >> sending -- republican senators, they say federal law creates a duty to safeguard and preserve federal election labels. that's a very serious and can be violated at this moment. there is also this plan to go door to door and question some voters. the federal justice department is saying that could implicate anti-intimidation prohibitions of the borough -- voting rights act. there's multiple legal lines they can cross at the federal
level. >> yeah, absolutely. i think with the concerns outlined in our letter make clear, why they were so intent on keeping the procedure secret, keeping the press, and keeping expert observers out of the room, they didn't want us to know that this whole audit is a sham. we are finding that out the more that we are able to be there and observe, and see the lack of procedures that are actually in place. >> and now they are going to crash into high school graduate -- graduation that could stop them from actually doing what they are pretending to do their every day. >> right. so, apparently high school graduations are scheduled starting on may 14th. the least that they have to do this audit runs out. there is no plan for what they are going to do at this moment. it's clear they're not going to be still counting at that
point. that just compounds the concerns we have about the security about the ballots in the equipment. and the chain of custody that is clearly not being addressed in an adequate fashion. >> so, their choices for the high school graduation that would take place in the building, are to just push their equipment off to some corner somewhere while the kids are graduating, or pick everything up and move it to somewhere else? and again, all of that, all of that risks the chain of custody if you will, and risks the preservation of federal voting records that the federal government requires. >> yes, absolutely. from what i've been able to see from communication between ken bennett and the facility, is that storing the items there during the graduations is not an option. during the doesn't have another. we are not sure what will
happen. >> could it just be abandoned? could you get to may 15th in this whole process just becomes abandoned? >> i mean, i don't know the answer to that. i am not in charge of this circus. [laughs] >> right. so how is it being received in arizona? as a purely partisan reception? republicans think it's great, a great way to do it. and democratic voters don't? >> absolutely not. we are getting lots of concerns called into our office from across the political perspective. voters across arizona are concerned about this process. they have been able to see what a sham it is, that it is not actually a real audit, and it is not going to determine anything different about the election than we already know. it was a free and fair election.
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simply doing its job. who is this benefiting, this benefits cheaters. call a spade a spade. they are cheaters, and who are they they are disproportionately the largest corporations and the mega ultra wealthy. >> and a recent washington post op-ed piece, five former irs commissioners who served in both democratic and republican administration offered their support to president biden's proposal to close the tax cut by increasing funding to the irs. the former irs commissioner's right quote, odd is from billionaires have fallen more than 70% since 2011. audits for large corporations decrease from essentially 100% a decade ago to less than 50%. president biden's proposal would restore our tax administration system to make it far, fair and more effective. this would benefit everyone who pays their taxes, it would produce a great deal of revenue by reducing the enormous gap between tax legally owed and
taxes actually paid, and it would improve taxpayer interaction with the irs. the biden administration has advanced such a comprehensive long term program for improving the tax administration system. if passed by congress and effectively managed it would produce enormous, long-lasting, benefits. irs commissioner john koskinen, was going to join us at this point we have lost his connection. but
as katie porter was telling us, this is an enormous amount of revenue that the federal government is just sacrificing. just leaving on the table. very deliberately by choice of republicans in congress, who have repeatedly defunded, they have done everything they can to defund the irs. the irs is of course a law enforcement agency, so that is defunding the police who collect our federal taxes. former commissioner john
koskinen is now connected, john former irs commissioner joining us by phone. i want to get your reaction to the biden proposal of what we can do just by better irs enforcement? >> magically i appear. >> yes. >> it is clear, i've been talking about it ever since i was the commissioner starting in 2013, and as you note, the congress
has underfunded the irs and it's only responses to not having enough money to not hire people when others need. so the irs is down 20,000 employees, down 15,000 revenue agents, officers and criminal investigators. anyone who is trying to call the irs has discovered that there are not enough people answering the phone. i have always said, just a modest increase in the budget you, could collect 200 billion dollars.
and with the changes proposed by the biden plan in information reporting, there are estimates that you could collect easily a trillion dollars oh we're, the biden plan talks about 700 billion, increasing third-party reporting, it is clear that when the irs has -- without third party reporting the complaint rate drops in the 50% range. >> and for all of us, this phrase third-party reporting applies, we'll get paychecks and the person, the entity sending us that paycheck tells the irs, by the way, this is how much he got this week. so we don't have, most people don't have the kind of room with their tax returns to maneuver the way that the people who are subject to that reporting on that income do. >> if the irs has no information on what's your revenues are in which our
expenses are, it is pretty easy to decide i'll just report which seems convenient. there are a lot of small to medium sized businesses who have trouble keeping track of it all and some large organizations, knowing that the irs does not have the information, take advantage of that fact. >> the irs employees especially, inspectors who examined returned to the audits, they are in dollar terms, the most valuable government employees in the world. you pay them in the hundred thousand dollar range and they return millions and millions of dollars to the treasury. >> that is right. i didn't understand why the republicans in understand that if you give the virus more money it will give you more money back. nobody ever disagreed with that, but they continued to underfunding agency. >> former irs commissioner john
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ammunition magazine from my belt. and then some guy took a hold of my gun and they were screaming out, kill him with his own gun. at that point, it was self preservation. how do i survive the situation? a lot of people have asked me my thoughts on the individuals in the crowd that helped me or try to offer some assistance and i think the conclusion i've come to, thank you. but also if you for being there. >> that is washington d.c. police officer michael fun on, yesterday he wrote a letter to every member of congress describing what he has been through including having to listen to comments like this. >> it was zero threat, right
from the threat -- right from the start it was your threat. they went in, they should've done it. some of them went in there and they were hugging and kissing the police and the guards. >> in a recent interview, officer condemned don trump's description of riders hugging and kissing the police here is some of his letter sent to every member of congress yesterday. on january 6th 2021, a participated in the defense of the united states capitol and as a result of my efforts i was severely injured. i was pulled out into the crowd away from my fellow officers. begin with this, metal objects, script of my issue badge, radio and ammunition magazine and electrocuted numerous times with a taser. i am writing to you so that you may better understand my experience that day. in the midst of this fighting, i observed commander remix kyle, cool calm and collected giving
commands to his officers, hold the line. it was the most inspirational moment of my entire life, even as i write this, it brings me to tears. i tried to render assistance to some of the injured officers asking them if they needed a break. there were no volunteers only those that identified injured colleagues cool may have been in need of assistance. i have never experienced such bravery, courage and selflessness. since then i have struggled with many aspects of that day. as the physical injuries gradually subsided, in the psychological trauma. in many ways i still live my life as if it is january 7th 2021. i struggle daily with the emotional anxiety of having survived such a traumatic event, but i also struggle with the anxiety of hearing those who continue to downplay the events of that day and those who would
ignore them altogether with their lack of acknowledgment. the indifference shown to my colleagues and i think is disgraceful. >> officer michael fanone gets this officer tonight's gets the last last word, the word. the 11th hour with 11th hour with brian williams starts now. brilliant williams starts now. >> good evening once again they 100 -- of the biden presidency and his multi trillion dollar proposals to set our country on a new corset. he might now have to contend with another intense recommendation -- more and more to donald trump in the big lie. new state laws restricting voting, as if to remedy voter fraud that didn't take place. the latest effort playing out