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themselves while they're at it. it is that side of elbaz that's been in focus since he passed of covid-19 at the young age of 59 this past weekend. in an industry known for intense competition, he will be missed. thank you for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we're grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> hi, nicole. thank you very much. we have a big show for you right now, including absolutely bombshell new allegations. the confession of sex crimes in writing from an associate known for his links to matt gaetz. it is a big story, and we have that as well as mr. gaetz's denial coming up. also, president biden's 100th day in office is today. we look at where he's headed. right now the developing news of the investigation into
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rudy giuliani. his phones and computers were seized and he's now speaking out. giuliani is breaking his silence, and this is fascinating. he is, of course, the former prosecutor facing a raid by the office he used to run. he is the lawyer to the former president, although they have had a falling out. he looks like a subject of this probe. he is speaking out for the first time in depth with details about that raid, and he denies any wrongdoing. >> i have never represented a ukrainian national or official before the united states government. my sole concentration from the beginning here, tucker, was to find evidence that would prove what i knew, that he was innocent of russian collusion. he did exactly what a president should do with the president of ukraine. he asked him to investigate. >> right. >> a vice president. they invaded, without telling me, my icloud. they took documents that are privileged. the justice department spied on me. >> now, some of that is giuliani's rebuttal and defense.
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some of it is true. indeed, we are learning that the feds did go into the icloud to basically take or surveil information from rudy giuliani. all of this, though, according to public information is lawful not illegal or covert spying. referring to how federal investigators took basically seven or eight of his electronic devices. he claims he made an offer to them. he claims he had hunter biden's hard drives in one's apartment as he offered that to feds. there isn't any outside verification of this. this is a story that's newsworthy, but we're not here reporting on our ability to verify what's in his apartment. here you go. >> at the end of the search, when they had taken about, i'd say, seven or eight electronic items of mine, which is what they took, and two of someone else's, they weren't taking the three hard drives which of course are electronic devices.
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they just mimic the computer. i said, don't you want these? and they said, what are they? i said those are hunter biden's hard drives. and they said, no, no, no, no. no. >> now, in court this would be called hearsay, but it is certainly interesting and newsworthy. this is what he says the feds said in response to his hunter biden offer. now, we will learn a lot more about this if this process goes forward. we'll get the feds side of the story. that's giuliani's side. we do know a judge approved this raid based on the evidence that giuliani is searchable, that there was reasonable suspicion that he has the evidence of a crime in those locations. the scope of what they can see is going to be quite targeted. as for giuliani's brazen attitude about his dealings in ukraine, he was briefed all the way back by the fbi.
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it's the same arm of the government that would deal with raids, but not the same people. and the fbi tried to warn him in 2019 that he was being targeted specifically by russian intelligence operation. this was going on in the context of him trying to gather some sort of dirt on the biden family for a plot that ultimately got donald trump impeached. "the washington post" reporting that infamous trip to ukraine in december that year occurred after this briefing where they were saying, hey, be careful. these efforts, this russian-backed efforts trying to make you, rudy giuliani, a stooge. another individual that ran this famed and independent office, the southern district of new york, says based on the evidence giuliani is in deep trouble. i mentioned that office, and we have a special expert with experience there tonight. a former sdny prosecutor. and nick is a former watergate special prosecuor and back in the day served in the sdny as well and overlapped an worked
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with giuliani. good to see you both. >> hey, ari. >> hello. >> nick, do you believe that this raid means there is bad news for rudy giuliani and he's at risk for indictment. >> yeah. i think it does mean bad news. it is very difficult to get a judge to approve a search warrant on a lawyer. never mind a well-known lawyer like rudy giuliani, who is the former mayor of the city of new york, was the lawyer to president trump. the government has to go in and provide very specific facts justifying that a crime was committed. and under these circumstances where it is such a high level of person, you would expect that the department of justice wouldn't go in there but with the most refined and detailed facts of criminal activity. and once you do that, you have to ask, well, what kind of evidence is it?
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it's probably pretty decent evidence considering that they're going in for the search warrant on this individual. and then you got to ask, well, how close are they to actually being able to indict and convict beyond a reasonable doubt? >> what did you think of what we heard here from mr. giuliani who famously knows his way around this office and referred to that in the interview, his attempt both to minimize the scope of the search and then also tell that story about what he says he offered them? >> sure. well, it's a little hard to decipher because it's gibbergib. my first year of procedure law students have a better understanding of criminal law than the former u.s. attorney. this was not an illegal or unconstitutional search as he also said in his fox interview last night. the fact that the feds had access to his -- this sort of
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icloud, you know, pointing skyward is not unusual and is exactly the procedure they should have followed. and this was, you know, by the books. and, so, you know, i don't -- it's not a defense and he was, as you pointed out, the u.s. attorney who was charged with overseeing no doubt hundreds of search warrants under his watch. so he knows or should know how it works. and his offer to provide this tucker -- this hunter biden -- i'm sorry. he also confused tucker carlson about hunter biden in his interview. but his offer to provide that hard drive, first of all, as you see, on his own account, but it would not surprise me at all if the agents did not take him up on that offer. they did not have a warrant except for the specific electronic devices that they seized. so i think that would have been also by the book. >> yeah.
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you make an important distinction there which for viewers matters, which is giuliani is making it sound like, oh, they wanted devices. i got all kinds of devices. come on in. when in fact they could only take devices tied to this investigation. so if he has a friend's device or a hunter biden device or someone was over for a cocktail and left a phone on the table, it doesn't give the government that level of powers. it sounded like he wanted to sandbag them again. that was my interpretations. nick, viewers may remember how you walked us through many aspects of the mueller probe. can we talk about collusion for a second? >> yeah. i mean, i think this -- what we have learned today -- >> ready? >> sure. >> first i want to make sure you were ready. but i figured you were. >> i'm ready. >> we talked about it before, nick, and it does look worse now. and i'm one of those people where i go on the news and i talk about how there wasn't
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enough evidence yet or the high bar of a criminal conspiracy and sometimes people come up to me in the street and say, ari, why are you being so technical with it? it looks like collusion. i want to read from this. washington post says fbi goes to giuliani and they say you're the target of a russian disinformation campaign to warn members of congress. they also warned a conservative media outlet here. they faced a risk. my question to you, nick, is at what point is it not, oh, some scary disinformation campaign? and at what point does it become direct collusion if mr. giuliani as a lawyer and agent of the president knowingly collaborates on what he's been warned is a russian op to discredit the man who would actually become president, joe biden? >> no. i totally agree. what you have there is evidence. you have knowledge of an
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agreement basically to side with the russians, to take on what the russians are doing to undermine their chief political rival. they did it knowingly, which we didn't know before as much as we do now, the fact that they were specifically told by the fbi that they were being fed a crock of bull by all of these ukrainians. everybody they talked to. and it's all being orchestrated by the russian government. they knew that. i mean, the idea that they somehow just didn't believe our own intelligence sources is absurd. i mean, this is the same attitude, the same way they treated u.s. intelligence throughout this entire episode, starting in the 2016 campaign. so to me, this knows actual knowledge. they are told that they are just being puppets for the russian government, and they don't care. they take it on completely and go along with the program
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because they're more concerned about working with the russians to get rid of joe biden so that he is not a threat in the presidential election. >> it's wild. it's wild. and a lot of this has come out after the mueller report, after the folks left office. i want to read to you from was said. he agrees with something you said on this program when the news broke. sdny is probably far along, given what showing they have to make of probable cause. there is a good likelihood of a charge. based on what we know, would that charge be something just about foreign lobbying and filing which, while serious, would be seen by many as quite narrow? or do you see other potential felonies afoot? >> well, based on the discussion that you and nick just sad, there certainly could be much more serious charges. and, again, not to minimize how
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serious a charge like that would be, each charge carries with it the penalty of up to five years in prison. and this conduct, as we understand it, certainly goes to the whole of that he is meant to protect against. this is -- lack of transparency is one thing, but this is another level. so if he is acting as a foreign agent, you know, without registering, that's a fair violation. but if he is actually, you know, there could be other national security implications that go far beyond and carry much stiffer criminal penalties. >> yeah. >> i do think some of this is very troubling here and also it's got to be troubling for mr. giuliani that it's coming out. >> it's a lot of heat. it goes to what donald trump was doing long before he knew that biden would even be the nominee.
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there was thwarted. it failed. but, boy, are the feds interested in looking at who did it, whether it was that was a felony and whether it rises to the potential of the person who it was supposed to benefit. so it's a big story tonight. we go to our shortest break of the hour, 30 seconds, with developing news tonight on the matt gaetz investigation. truly the biggest and worst day we have seen yet in this probe we have been covering when we're back in 30 seconds. covering whe back in 30 seconds so i only pay for what i need. 'cause i do things a bit differently. wet teddy bears! wet teddy bears here! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ keeping your oysters business growing has you swamped. you need to hire. i need indeed indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base claim your seventy-five-dollar credit when you post your first job at
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turning to an explosive new alleged confession in the matt gaetz sex crime investigation. what i'm about to report to you right now is a bombshell that would change everything if true. "the daily beast" reporting on an alleged confession letter they claim was written by a well-known gaetz associate, joel greenberg, who alleged by wrote congressman matt gaetz paid for sex with multiple women as well as a girl who was 17 at the time. this is a potential breakthrough. if it sounds familiar, this is the indicted gaetz ally at the center of this whole doj probe. now according to "the daily beast" accusing gaetz of a major sex crime in writing.
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that's "the daily beast" reporting. you can see immediately why it sounds like such a bombshell. i have to do what we always do around here which is tell you what we know and what we don't. nbc news has not verified this account or been able to obtain or see this underlying letter. but "the daily beast" does say they have this explosive letter. they say they verified it. and it alleges that, quote, payments were made to several of the girls, including the individual who was not yet 18, a minor. now, when it comes to what we're reading from, this written confession, it is not just some random person making an allegation against a politician. this is a gaetz ally who spent time with him, as these photos attest, which is under huge legal pressure to not only give the feds factual information but information with evidence that the feds can use in court. so with that in mind, note that greenberg alleged he also says he saw the acts occur firsthand. and he goes on to directly
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implicate gaetz saying payments were made to these girls on behalf of congressman, end quote. gaetz faces this criminal probe that's ongoing, including serious potential charges like sex trafficking and possible sex with a minor. for his part he denies all allegations. he has not been charged with a crime. so let's take this hit. if you have been following this story, it's a doosie. why would greenberg put any of this in writing in the first place? that's also very interesting. "the daily beast" reporting this was his last-ditch effort to save himself, when he reached out to a very controversial trump ally pictured in this video, long-time adviser to donald trump roger stone who faced his own legal trouble. he was arrested here. he was raided. he was prosecuted. he was convicted. the only way out of this mess was that he ultimately received a very controversial pardon from his long-time friend, donald
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trump. so "the daily beast" obtained text messages from greenberg directly asking stone to get for him what he got for himself, a pardon. if i get you $250,000 in bitcoin, does it matter? i hope you are prepared to wire me a quarter million because i'm feeling confident. a reference that he could get a presidential pardon for greenberg, which did not occur. as a tax collector in florida, he's indicted on charges of sex trafficking, misusing taxpayer money and others. greenberg suggested there could be cooperation. greenberg asked him to get him a pardon from trump there. all of this means that confession letter was designed to help stone make the case for the pardon. there is more to this story. as always, you need to get all of it. gaetz publicist telling nbc
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congressman gaetz has never paid for sex, nor has he had sex with a 17 as an adult adding, quote, "the daily beast"'s story contains a lot of confessions from mr. greenberg. it does not add anything of substance. now, "the daily beast" story appears significant because it includes this alleged confession and accusations of new, possible pardon scandals coming out of trump world. it is a big deal, and our guests are going to walk us through it. as to gaetz's response, let's be clear, if mr. greenberg only has words, accusations and zero evidence, that may not go very far in court. the question facing greenberg and the investigators and of course gaetz himself is whether this very serious accusation can be proven. to get into all of it now, we're joined by "the new york times" michelle goldberg and attorney nancy smith who knows her way
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around these tricky issues. thank you for joining us. we have been covering this story. this is clearly the biggest development in it. i went through great pains to emphasize what we know and what we don't and nbc hasn't been able to verify that letter. walk us through legally what you see here. >> well, the"the daily beast" d get a handwriting expert and they compared the handwritten letter, and there were typed versions, with various pieces of handwriting they know were greenberg's. so that's pretty significant. "the daily beast" also viewed 150 venmo payments from gaetz to greenberg and very oddly named what they were for. so we're looking at at least a minimum for one count is ten years in prison, not less than ten years in prison for sex with a minor. then we're looking at interesting travel for sex. then we're looking at soliciting
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prostitution. then we're looking at trafficking 17-year-old. and then possibly, i have always wondered whether this was pornography because greenberg said he saw the acts firsthand in his letter. and we know that gaetz showed nude pictures around the floor of congress. so was there an element of pornography going on here with underaged girls? really, my heart goes out to these high school aged girls who were preyed upon by these men more than twice their age. i was shocked when i read that greenberg said that he confronted the 17-year-old, and she apologized for allegedly not telling them she was 17. that level of depravity is hard to get your head around. but it shows a treatment of women. i mean, that's an admission of a treatment of women like, it's your fault you're so young and i
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paid you for sex and trafficked you. there is a lot here. >> yeah. nancy -- nancy, speak more about that because this obviously has all the makings of a political scandal and the pardon piece which i want to get to with michelle. but you advocated and represented people in various ranges of these types of cases. you are speaking of the fact that allegedly again this involved alleged victims. it involves real people. it is not just a story about whether mr. gaetz will stay in congress or not. speak on the point you are raising there. >> yeah. it's really shocking to me how the young, very young women have been treated. the last time i was on, you were talking about a young girl who was terrified and who had maybe tape recorded matt gaetz's former girlfriend in order to protect herself and maybe have something to bring to the prosecutors. it is sort of reminiscent of monica lewinsky being abused by
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ken star. the victims are not discussed at all. a 17-year-old girl apparently in a group sex act -- that's how it reads from the confessional letter that was allegedly written by greenberg hechlt says he saw the acts firsthand. so there is not some private sex act going on. we know gaetz loved to show nude photographs of young women he said he was having sex with. it is so shocking that it hurts me. and i feel really feel for these young women who are caught in such a difficult legal position. >> appreciate you making that point, and that was another detail on "the daily beast" article which, again, as you know, if true allegedly sounds like very guilty because it alleges that mr. greenberg got this information and then followed up on it with the understanding or belief that this was a minor.
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>> yes. >> michelle, as if this all wasn't enough, we haven't even hit the pardon part yet, which is that according to this, a sex crime pardon goes for about a quarter million as far as roger stone considered it, and he's not nobody. he's one of donald trump's closest longest confidants who himself ended up getting a pardon. these are people in a position to know. now, i want to make sure before i go to michelle that we are, as part of our reporting, obligated to read this statement. this is new from mr. stone. quote, i made no effort whatsoever to secure a pardon for mr. greenberg. i took not a dime from him or anyone else seeking a pardon. i have seen no substantiation or actual proof of wild accusations he has made against congressman gaetz. desperate men often tell lies in an effort to lessen the penalties against themselves, end quote. michelle, our standards
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department, which has riggously gone over that department requires that defense from mr. stone. your view on all of the above and what sounds like a potential pardon scandal? >> well, i don't know. i am not a lawyer. i have no idea if it's a crime to try to sell a pardon if you don't do it. but i do -- because it does seem like there was a going rate, i hope that joe biden's justice department is looking into the way, you know, to deal with corrupt dealings in pardons both with roger stone and others in the administration because there has been a lot of reporting about a lot of money passing around and a lot of -- this is basically just a cash transaction for a lot of people. the other thing i would point out is that, again, i'm not a lawyer, but greenberg is a person who was known to make false accusations against his political enemies. so it means to me --
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>> fair. >> -- that if prosecutors are cutting a deal with him, they wouldn't just do so on his word. right? he's a person who appears to have committed many, many different times, who is an unreliable narrator, as roger stone said. but to me, that's all the more telling about why prosecutors are willing to cut a deal with him. it would suggest at least to me that it's likely that they have more than just his words. and, you know, another detail is "the daily beast" story that i thought was so interesting is that it talks about roger stone sending messages on his app signal meant to quickly disappear, but greenberg is taking pictures of all of them. if that's his m.o., you know, it is likely that wasn't just his m.o. with stone but his m.o. with gaetz as well. >> you raise several tantalizing things. i'm short on time. but to that point i want to read from some of those messages because there aren't many possibilities. they were obtained from signal
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or a phone. they're real or somehow fake. there aren't a lot of options. michelle, reading from one of them here, allegedly, you have, quote, stone saying this is treacherous territory with a lot of different players, such as jared and giuliani playing a hand. giuliani referenced there, michelle, while he's dealing with his own legal issues. >> you know, again, the amount of -- i understand that the justice department probably wants to move on from the trump administration, that it's politically fraught to prosecute a former administration except in certain instances except this giuliani probe where it was ongoing from bill barr and the criminality appears inescapable. but there appears to need to be a top-to-bottom probe because the amount of criminality you saw and the assumptions of impunity that you see in all of the people around it, right,
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that you just kind of write out your crimes, name a price, send it in and get your pardon, you know, matt gaetz behaved as a person who sort of assumed that the laws don't apply to him and his entire time coincided with the trump administration. so it seems that these were the norms that people got used to and i think we need a lot more sunlight into everything that happened. >> all fair points on a big day in this story. i'm over on time, but we'll have you both back because these are big stories. thank you. we're fitting in a break because we have news from the president marking 100 days and how he's reversing trumpism on policy. how is this raid rattling trump? we have a special guest on that. what happened to america's mayor? and exclusive interview with an old colleague who is watching the down fall in horror. stay with us. horror. stay with us
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it's a question that's been percolating honestly for years now, but never more seriously, more gravely, more bizarrely than this week. what happened to rudy giuliani? he's in the cross hairs of this ongoing federal probe conducted by the very office he used to run, to great acclaim at one point, the southern district of new york. it is a turn-around for a man who once ran for president, who was dubbed as america's mayor, who knows hard nosed new york
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justice. he had his critics, but he was not then considered in those past decades a would be criminal. i'm joined by ken friedman. by the time the trump years came to us, though, he's been speaking out. he wrote, quote, the man i worked for in '93 is not the man who lies for donald trump. we're also joined for perspective on this unusual inquiry into the president's lawyer by msnbc presidential historian and the author of many books, michael beshloff. first person to say "watergate," gets a free cocktail here tonight. he likes to mix it up. he talked about "my cousin vinny" and all the rest when he does his appearances is something you discussed that is painful for you. do you have an understanding of what happened to him and why he's -- why he's acted this way
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and yolked himself so tightly to donald trump because he is afforded all his rights and presumed his innocence legally. but even if not charged, he has done things that are seedy, that are ugly, that are full of lies, but not just for his own personal enrichment. they appear to be on behalf of someone else, on behalf of trump. i'm going to jump in. i don't think i or the audience can hear ken. let me put the question to michael. try unmuting. double check that. but michael, you first. >> well, i have been trying to think, ari of some historical example that would give us some light on this and there is not much. there was a mayor, as i'm sure you know, of new york from 1926 to 1932 whose name was jimmy walker who was sort of a man about town and broke an awful lot of rules. and one of them was a law that
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says a mayor should not be shaking down contractors with the city of new york to get contracts. that he did. it was investigated in 1932. franklin roosevelt was running for president. roosevelt was worried that if he went after walker, he would lose the support of democratic leaders who liked walker in new york city. so fdr, who was very shrewd, waited until he had been nominated in the summer of '32 and then pulled the plug on walker. and that was the end of him. but walker was not like giuliani was. he was not a presidential candidate. he was never remotely called america's mayor as giuliani rightly was for his leadership in 2001, and he didn't have the fascinating complex record of strengths and flaws that giuliani showed as mayor in the 1990s.
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>> fascinating. and i think we have ken back. ken, go ahead. >> well, as i was saying, rudy has become increasingly reckless and greedy. money is an after row deez yak. he's made a lot of it. i spoke to a lot of people in rudy world this week, and none of them are surprised, including me. we're dismayed and disappointed. but, you know, we're not shocked by any means. i was told that he was warned not to go into business with them but he decided anyway to do so. and he took $500,000 that's coming back to bite him now. it's very hard for all of us to reconcile arguably the most effective mayor and u.s. attorney to the southern district with the man whose apartment and office were raided by the fbi this week at the
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behest of the southern district of new york, an office he used to run. the ironies are just impossible to invent here. >> let me play a little bit of the -- i mentioned the run that you worked on, the may i don't recall race and the way that he run. we keep talking about this other district. that was his calling card to be mayor at a time it was unexpected he would win initially. take a look. >> integrity, that's the first quality that comes to mind when i think of rudy. he's honest. and he's very kind. >> rudy giuliani for mayor. >> can't hear. can't hear. ken, when you look at that -- excuse me. i was just having an audio issue. ken, when you look at that and he now goes out there and acts completely agast that he's even being searched and the way he conducted himself in this interview, is that genuine or is
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it an act? >> no. it's bravado. he's got to show that, you know, he's tough and, you know, but he's challenging them to come get them. but i should caution your listeners and viewers that a warrant is not an indictment, and it's not a conviction. so everyone should let the process play out before they pre-judge. >> michael, what do you think of the position we're in? everyone knows people got used to all kinds of stuff the last few years, and everyone is saying, okay, we're going to move ahead. we heard the president talk this week about all the important stuff coming ahead. but it is not nothing that the former president remains under criminal investigation in georgia for trying to overturn an election, potentially illegally, and that his lawyer saw his home and office raided even under the higher standards
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under merrick garland which is all the play by the book standards to do that to a lawyer. this isn't nothing. this seems to go back to watergate or other scandals. >> i'm glad you mentioned watergate. do i get my cocktail on the air or off the air, ari for mentioning watergate? we'll negotiate this. in any case, we've got an ex-president, donald trump, who is in greater danger of being in big, legal trouble than any other president in the history of the united states emphatically, including richard nixon. that's why i said for, at least the last five months since the time of the election, that i do not think that there is much chance that donald trump is going to be a presidential candidate in 2024 because i think he's going to be so overwhelmed and exhausted by fending off all these problems that he's going to have larger problems to deal with.
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>> all very interesting. i got to -- i'm sorry. i got to get in this break with what we have coming up. we have some special stuff. ken, good to see you. up ahead, governor desantis following the georgia play book. but first, president biden marking officially his 100 days with a big message on jobs and over ruing trumpism. that's next. trumpism that's next. and new ways for them to reach you... is what business is all about. it's what the united states postal service has always been about. so as your business changes, we're changing with it. with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now. next day and two-day shipping nationwide. same day shipping across town. returns right from the doorstep, and deliveries seven days a week. it's a whole new world out there. let's not keep it waiting. ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪
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♪♪ you know, there is a common saying that if you are being honest or authentic that you are keeping it 100%. i can tell you joe biden is keeping it 100, 100 days in office, that is. and he's doing it with a call back. he's long been known as amtrak joe for those famous commutes from delaware. today he went to an amtrak
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station in philly to promote the infrastructure plan and celebrating their anniversary, a trip that has started, when you think about it, way back in the day. >> biden took the train home to wilmington. >> nobody literally in history has ridden amtrak as much as me other than the conductor. >> when he took that first train trip. >> over 8,000 round-trips i have made. >> yes, amtrak joe loves his choo choos. >> i ride my favorite way, amtrak, amtrak. >> there it is. we're joined by senior writer with 538 and friend of "the beat." how are you doing, man? >> good to see you, ari. >> as mentioned, he's keeping it 100 days. and amtrak was a fitting place. everybody gets the association. walk us through what you think he's been able to do in rall ing public support for big
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spending and really big government. >> yeah. this has been a presidency i did not expect. you know, he is really in these first two big bills, first the stimulus which was very large. then the polls suggest that biden, you know, campaigned as an older white, moderate guy, but he's really talking sort of big, bold economic policy to the left of obama and to the left of clinton in a lot of ways. i would be curious to see. he got one bill passed. he's got to get through what i call prime minister manchin. >> yes, he has his own extra pocket veto. since we're looking now officially at 100 days, i do want to show a list of the accomplishments biden invoked through the 100 days. >> together we passed the american rescue plan. i'm sending you $1,400 rescue checks to 85% of american
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households. during these 100 days, an additional 800,000 americans enrolled in the rescue act. the economy created new jobs. more jobs in the first 100 days than any president on record. >> fact check true. perry, you are here as a political journalist, not a booster. though true, how much credit does he get for that and how much of that is this cyclical wave coming out of the punishing year we've had? >> it's both. we definitely -- the economy was going to come to the upswing out of the covid relief. i think it would have happened with president trump. trump was even saying good things are going to happen. give me a little credit when he was leaving office. that said, i think two things worth noting is biden's approval is 54/42. trump's was the reverse.
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the second thing, clinton did not show this, i know biden has mentioned it a lot. the important thing that's happened in this 100 days and possibly in any 100 days of presidency since 9/11 is this massive number of people getting vaccines. that is a hugely important thing. and that wasn't all about joe biden, but he has, as president, managed the process, been very involved in it. that is the most important thing any president has done in a long time. hugely important to anybody living in america. >> yeah. you almost get the sense, perry, that having someone who is experienced in government and caring about its outcomes can be drastically different than someone who looks at it all as an endless culture war and pr exercise of incredibly selfish proportions. it feels different. it is good to see you, sir. go ahead. final thought?
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go ahead. >> the experience you are noting is i think important. it looks like not only the experience helped him compared to trump, but biden had been governing and in the senate in a way that obama and clinton were. if you look at how the government is being run, like obama did a lot of good things, but obamacare website was not rolled out well. if you look at the vaccine process, i think biden has a really experienced staff around him. and i think he's experienced. i think that experience, he's really trained himself up to be president in a way that the last several presidents, but a vice president who spent all this time in governing is a really important thing. >> yeah. great point. harry, thank you. we have a quick break. when we come back, a fact check on the truths you need to know in a special conversation. we'll be right back. ack. (man) i'm phoning it in and just saved twenty percent. (burke) get your policy perks by calling 1-800-farmers. go ahead, phone it in. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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it's friday on the beat, so you know it's time to fall back. we're joined by the world-famous dj cassidy. he dj'd both obama inaugurations and obama's 50th birthday. he's also spun at jay-z and beyonce's wedding. pretty good gigs if you can get them. in the covid era, he created pass the mic, a sing-along on zoom which now has his own bt show, and back with us, michael beschloss. one publication touted him as knowing more about america's presidents than perhaps anyone on earth. ten books under his belt. cassidy and berdj lost are here today. good to see both of you and we're going to get right to it. dj cassidy, what's on your fallback list? >> ari, first of all, thank you for having me. quite an introduction. i appreciate it. first on my fallback list, orange county lawmaker don
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wagner, have you heard about this? asked orange county health care agency director if they were putting tracking devices in the vaccine. now, i live in l.a. i do weekend trips to laguna beach. i might have to start going to santa barbara for a while. in the words of the late great prodigy of ma deep, illuminati want my mind, soul, and my body, secret society trying to keep their eye on me. but, no, ron, not this one, not this time. >> really well done. i mean, michael, you're a presenter, but so is dj cassidy and the ma deep prodigy bars, they apply. michael, what's on your list? >> how can i top cassidy? there's an unemployed politician called, i just want to get this name correct, because i haven't seen it lately, rick santorum,
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is that the proper pronunciation, of pennsylvania, who said lately, and i'm reading this horrible quote, "there isn't much native american culture in american culture." it's a disgusting comment. it shows how little he knows about american culture and history and its central importance, the central importance of native american history and culture to all of our history. and i guess the main thing is, if i were taking history or culture lessons, i would not take them from rick santorum. >> a fair point. i'm running over on time. in one sentence, cassidy, tell people what pass the mic is. >> pass is mic is a personal, intimate sing-along, in which i pass the mic from home to home, from legendary artist to legendary artist for them to
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sing along to the most iconic and prolific records. >> i love it. and it's been a great thing. and i know it's brought a lot of joy and a lot of cultural conversation during this era, so we did want to shout that out. a busy day with all of this news. so we are out of time. i thank michael beschloss. everyone can catch out -- i should say, check out dj cassidy's show monday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. thanks for watching "the beat." "the reidout" starts now. >> good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight with the ongoing trouble brewing for members of donald trump's inner circle. there are explosive new details in the probe of trump's buddy, matt gaetz, and we'll get to that flaming dumpster fire in just minutes. but first, there are new reports out today that trump's former


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