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the "new york times" is reporting that at least one of the warrants against giuliani stems from an investigation into his attempts to oust former ukraine ambassador marie yovanovitch. an incident you may recall was at the center of the first impeachment of donald trump last year. nbc has also learned that giuliani was first approached by the fbi back in 2019 to warn him that he was the target of a russian disinformation scheme so as not to dig up that dirt. giuliani's lawyer says that news, which was first reported by the "washington post" is false. it does, though, follow similar reports that the trump white house was also warned that giuliani was a target. president biden told our own craig melvin in an exclusive interview that he had no knowledge of the raid, but
giuliani feels he is being singled out by the justice department. >> there is no justification for that warrant. it is an illegal, unjustified warrant. the justice department spied on me, and that is -- if that is not taken seriously, if that doesn't result in they're being sanctioned, the case being dismissed and it stopping, this is no longer a free -- we might as well be in east berlin before the warfare. this is tactics only known in a dictatorship. >> joining me now is nbc national security and intelligence correspondent ken delanian, phil rucker and clint watts. also jay russer and joyce vance.
you all are msnbc contributors, phil rucker and joyce vance. rudy giuliani was warned that he was the target of a disinformation russian investigation. >> yes, katy, back in 2019 with the counterintelligence division. sure to become a fixture in one if there are charges going forward, because what this did was put rudy giuliani on notice as far back as 2019 that what the fbiobserving was a russian intelligence operation designed to smear joe biden to support donald trump in the election. we don't know what rudy said during that briefing, but we do know that after the briefing, he traveled to kiev, ukraine and met with a man named andrew
derkoch who was later publicly branded by the trump treasury department as a russian intelligence agent. so, you know, rudy is now saying this is all political. for those of us who lived in the world of facts and reason, we can see that what's going on here is that there is a segment of the republican party, and rudy giuliani is a part of it, that doesn't want to believe anything the u.s. intelligence community tells them, even when it's career fbi agents from the counterintelligence division. he's now being investigated for his dealings in ukraine, and into the question of whether he tried to influence u.s. policy on behalf of foreigners, essentially whether he was an unregistered foreign agent, katy. >> so, phil rucker, your paper was the first to report that rudy giuliani himself was personally warned, but the white house was also warned about giuliani and about what he was doing in ukraine back in 2019 by the intelligence community. bring us up to speed. >> that's exactly right, katy.
not only was the white house warned but president trump was warned by his national security advisor, robert o'brien, that information provided by rudy giuliani pertaining to the bidens, pertaining to ukraine could be russian disinformation, part of russia's attempt to shape the 2020 election just as it had in the 2016 election. so these warnings were very clear, not only to rudy giuliani but to various white house officials and to the president. of course, giuliani continued with his outreach to ukranians. he even took that trip to ukraine and has dismissed all of these accusations in the past couple of days. >> joyce, giuliani is calling this a political hit job, but this investigation started back in 2019 under the trump doj. ideally, every doj is independent and separate in terms of investigations from the
administration. but what is the response to a statement like that from giuliani? >> giuliani who, as a former u.s. attorney, knows better, seems to conveniently forget that the justice department doesn't just go and raid people's apartments. actually has to get an order from a federal judge not a part of the justice department who reviews the warrant and the affidavit attached to it where a federal agent swears under oath to the facts that establish probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that the search will enable investigators to recover evidence of those crimes. so for giuliani to, in essence, call in a witch hunt really flies in the face of everything that he knows. i understand it's easy to look at this as being political. this is, after all, the former president's lawyer, and we live in a politically charged environment, but he'll have access to information like that if there is an indictment and a
trial. on its face right now, this is doj doing its job, and in this case it appears that that started during president trump's administration when bill barr was the attorney general signing off on some of these investigative matters. >> so, clint, the "new york times" is reporting that this is about giuliani's attempts to get marie yavonovitch ousted as ambassador. the president can oust whoever he wants, so i'm wondering, what is the violation here? is it just a violation that he was an unregistered agent for a foreign lobbyist, or is it something bigger than that? >> katy, i think it could be in two parts. if you remember back to the impeachment trial, that's when discussions about giuliani and his behavior in ukraine really started to surface originally, and that really came down to her testimony. if you remember, she talked about feeling intimidated, that
maybe she was being patrolled or surveilled by people in ukraine. we don't know the circumstance of it yet, but if that's where this investigation started, if it dated back that far, that's a totally different and separate issue, which is how a u.s. official wants to be treated by an american. it is obvious there was a foreign russian, because they appeared in videos with giuliani who was seen repeatedly in ukraine with giuliani from september 19 to september 2020 when he was sanctioned. yet rudy giuliani continued to push it, continued to advance it, and it appears this was up to a year after he was warned by the fbi. i think it could be a multi-pronged sort of
investigation, but looking at it as activities overseas and looking at it here at home as an agent. >> my partner jonathan capehart interviewed rudy giuliani last year and asked specifically about meeting with him. let's listen. >> can you please explain the nature -- >> i did not know he was a russian agent. >> how could you not know? how could you not know, mayor giuliani? you're a former prosecutor in the district of new york, former mayor of new york city, you have national security. how could you not know this guy was a russian agent who graduated from agent schools? >> joyce, what do you make of that? >> well, it's really an interesting exchange. we all know that someone who has had a position like being the u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york has a pretty high level of sophistication. as a u.s. attorney, you develop sort of a radar for people who
are trying to use you for inappropriate purposes. giuliani should have been fully attuned to what's going on, and the impact of this interview and of the warnings he received from the fbi, ultimately if there is a trial, is that it becomes an indictment and a trial, i should say, that it's very difficult for giuliani to claim that he didn't know what was going on because the fbi gave him warning. they gave him every opportunity to repudiate those actions, every opportunity to stop, if he was working for a foreign government, to stop working for him. this ultimately, although it was done in an effort to keep bad stuff from happening, could form a piece of the government's proof if there is afternoon indictment down the road. >> so i don't want to get ahead of our skis here, over our skis here, but if marie yovanovitch
was ousted as ukraine ambassador, and if rudy giuliani was working with a foreign agent to get that done, does that expose the former president in any way legally? >> i think it will come down to the same consequences of deliberations around the impeachment trial, which was how much did the president know? this goes back to the russian investigation four years ago. four years ago we were talking about a guy named paul man fort who was working with a russian agent. all of this comes down to, is there any direct evidence that the president was aware of these things that were going to? is he in or recall. at different point you see rudy giuliani and the president but you also see the department of justice and the department of treasury doing the opposite. unless there is some hard evidence there, it's going to be very difficult to prove, and i
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that teachers should be forced back into the classrooms this fall regardless of vaccinations. what do you say? what's your message to educators? is it time to get back in the classroom this fall no matter what? >> i think it depends on, you know, we're following the science and what the cdc says. and so each district is different, and so i think we have to listen to the experts and the science, and then the districts have to decide. >> first lady dr. jill biden weighing in on how and when all schools should reopen. that q&a was part of an exclusive interview by the bidens by my colleague craig melvin covering a wide range of hot button issues. joining me now for fresh perspective and a few fact checks, co-host kristen welker and analyst michael steele.
i want to dive into the sound of the size of the proposals joe biden is making in this country. >> you proposed $6 million and you plan to pay for it by taxes of the wealthy. why are taxes so much when the country is recovering from the pandemic? >> that's why it's recovering. we're spending. look how it's recovering from the last piece of legislation. that legislation was $1.9 trillion. if we don't invest, we'll fall even further. >> he argued that we were already behind before this
second round of investment, but clearly president biden wants to run full force with this idea of taxing the wealthy. he believes taxing the wealthy is a politically strong message for him and the democrats. >> this is a fundamental difference in how the president and republicans and even some moderate democrats view what this next stage of the recovery should look like, katy. you're absolutely right, what we saw there was essentially president biden doubling down on the fact that he is betting that americans want more government intervention in their lives. especially when it comes to this infrastructure program he is proposing, but child care, early child education, college educations and those sorts of things. he is going to push for this american families plan. republicans believe there are some areas of agreement, but the
real sticking points do come in when you think about how to pay for it. those taxes, if you talk to republicans, they say, look, we're willing to compromise with him on some of these issues, but the question is how do we pay for it and how big should the package be? you might see some of this get passed, it's also part of the recovery but being competitive with countries like china. he is on the road today in philadelphia selling this plan. >> jen psaki said that they were open to splitting this up and making this individual bills if that would make it easier to pass. michael steele, taxes usually are the third rail, but i'm finding when i watch republicans try to push back against this plan that they're flailing a little in trying to respond to this idea that the wealthiest among us at the very, very top shouldn't be taxed more. >> well, they are, and it's
largely because a growing number of republicans around the country are sort of agreeing with this idea that, yeah, those over $400,000 a year and corporations probably should be taxed to pay for some of this. this idea of taxation being forbidden is not agreed to inside the party any longer and a lot of it has to do with government since the early 2000s. they've watched republicans spend wildly without somely real, and then on the back end try to cut taktsz they are right, though, that the fundamentals of the bill, let
the economy go back to what it was doing before covid-19. but the president's argument is, look, we've lost a lot of jobs, we've lost a lot of businesses, so we have to come back a different way. we have to now put in place some fundamentals to help that foundation become a little bit stronger. i was just out today in a mall area and just looked at the number of businesses and shops that have been closed up that are no longer there. you've got to now figure out how to get those businesses reopened, and that's a big part of what biden is trying to do. >> there are a lot of boarded-up storefronts. it's funny you bring up president trump a big spender. wanting to lower the deficit went poof for four years when president trump was in office
advocating some of his ideas. let's talk about the role of big government, because you mentioned that as well. here's joe biden on that. >> democrats and republicans for generations have been, shall we say, skeptical about the ability of big government to do big things. what makes you so confident that skepticism has changed? >> first of all, the facts don't reflect that. i don't have an inordinate faith in government, but there are certain things only the government can do. we rank eighth in the world in terms of infrastructure, for god's sake. is the private sector going to build billions of dollars worth of highways, ports, bridges? are they going to do that? these are things only government can really do. >> kristen welker? >> go back to former president bill clinton, right, who said the era of big government is over. this is the opposite of that,
katy. this is skwloebd is back and thgs a reorientation in the lives of american citizens and this will be a big push by the president. can he get this passed in congress? early polling shows there is actually a fair amount of support for the number of policies he is proposing within the broader family bill, within his infrastructure bill. are they on board, though, with this reorientation of government and how big it is. that remains to be seen, katy. >> michael, i want to get your take on the electoral politics of that, but kristen, i believe you do have breaking news from president biden. >> i do. just moments ago, and this relates to the ongoing response to the covid-19 crisis, we know that cases have been surging in india recall.
so moments ago, a white house officer told me, the administration will restrict travel fromly pole pole in caseskploeds multiple variants circumstance loing tuesday. it will be on thursday, may 12, at 1:01 a.m. the administration is saying this does not apply to u.s. citizens or permanent residents or exempt individuals. according to the administration, they must first test. i also just want to underscore something that jen sacre veelz. in the last 24 hours, there has
been military assistance in flight that departed the air force base last night trying to respond. so the u.s. government trying to help on the ground and at the same time issing a message to all americans saying get out now. it's not safe to be in india right now. and michael, more to you. i'm sorry for the hard turn here. but in talking about big government, is this going to be a winning issue? what would make it not a winning issue for democrats in 2022? what's the risk here? >> i think the risk is not getting anything done. to kristen's point, i think this is a small package deal. i think you could probably do a
little bit less on the family part of the equation and a little bit more on the infrastructure part right now. i think what the president needs to do is to get a win. he needs to put something forward that is palatable to republicans in large measure. if they get on board, great. if they don't, that's fine, but you want to continue the momentum you have with the american people right now, to kristen's reporting, who are showing some interest in what the president is doing, they like what they're hearing, they are favorably disposed to the plan as it's currently laid out. if he can notch a win here and get some form of infrastructure done going into next year, covid, infrastructure, schools open. we had a great fourth of july, we'll have great christmas holidays. all of those things sort of add to the growing momentum you see the president accumulating with american voters who are going to be hard to make that turn away from him and democrats in the fall next year when republicans are saying, socialism,
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general. it doesn't just include new moms or new dads or new partners, it includes people who have to care for a sick loved one, a family member, a parent. it's much broader than those who decide to start a family. >> correct, it is. and, you know, i think we're really in an atmosphere now where we are starting as regular citizens to start realizing that, you know, our senators, our representatives, they work for us, you know. and i feel that it's been a type of disconnect between the general population and then those who hold office, and i think we're really starting to come to a place where we are the ones who you represent, and this is what we need. we need it more than ever now, and it's time for you to start being held accountable for that. >> so there is a lot of consensus even in congress that
this should happen for this entire country. there is not consensus on how to pay for it. do you feel strongly about how we should pay for it? there are some plans that say it would be best to do an income tax, just a little bit more per paycheck for every individual american. there are others who say let's borrow from social security or let's borrow from the child tax credit. do you care either way? >> i don't care where it comes from, to be honest with you. and in this country, if we want something bad enough, if we want to go to war, we find the money to go to war, so i think it's possible to find the money to help the regular working public who desperately need it and the children who are the most vulnerable in our society. if we can come up with money for things like war and other things, there is no reason why we can't spend that money in investing in our country's people.
>> i know there was a siren behind you, but i think we heard you loud and clear. if we can find the money to go to war, we can find the money to invest in american families. bethany froto, you are inspiring. go ahead. >> i was just going to say, we find the money for things that we want in our personal lives and especially in government. it really offended me when one of the reps said -- he's talking about 50 billion, billion with a b, and that's where the disconnect came for me, because we know now that 50 billion with a b is not a huge amount of money when it comes to government spending. that's nothing. we can definitely spend that. >> bethany, thank you so much. i still can't believe going back to work three weeks after a c-section. that is powerful and difficult, and i just wish that people did not have to do that. i wish you did not have to go through that.
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>> were there any examples of ballot harvesting in the last election cycle, in the 2020 election cycle? >> i don't know, but i'm sure it was going on. just the fact that they weren't caught doesn't necessarily mean that it's not happening. >> florida is the latest state to consider measures to restrict voting access. more than 300 similar bills have been introduced in 47 states. and the next big political fight is currently underway in texas, not under voting access, which is still an issue there, but over congressional districts. before you reach for the remote, hear me out. districts are shaped to fit new population numbers, but they are largely based on the whims of whoever is in charge of redrawing the map. some incumbents could be paired to run against fellow incumbents. others will find themselves in districts almost impossible to lose. texas grew more than any other state over the last decade. the jump is big enough to add two new districts, which sets the stage for a very interesting
fight, if you are into the political equivalent of blood sports. joining me now from austin is msnbc senior national correspondent, chris jansing. so, chris, explain it to us. >> reporter: yeah, you are so right. this is going to be an epic battle here in austin, with huge consequences, not just here in the state of texas, but nationally. you set the stage. look, the redistricting, the redrawing of lines every ten years, which is starting to happen now depends on who's in the legislature. and the folks in the legislature behind me who control it are republicans. the governor's republican, the redistricting committee is republicans, and there are now going to be 38 members of congress from texas. the way they draw those lines will depend on how many republicans and democrats we have going to washington. and as nancy pelosi knows very well, if the republicans pick up five seats, control of the house goes to the democrats. so, we talk to folks on both
sides about the national implications for what's happening here. take a listen. >> we know that they are going to flood money in here from people like michael bloomberg, mark zuckerberg, george soros, whomever you wish. but the thing that texas is strong because the policies of texas is strong and the policies of texas are about advancing individuals and their hopes, dreams, and aspirations. >> republicans like to talk a lot about the texas miracle, our growing economy and everything. that miracle is driven not by republican policies in this building behind me, it's driven by the people of our state. our diverse population, our immigrant communities, and so, our redistricting maps should give voice to that texas miracle. the stakes for the u.s. congress are enormous. you can't be overstated. >> teams of lawyers are being hired right now and it's almost certain that the primaries here are going to be pushed back. keep your eyes out, katy? >> no doubt about that. chris jansing, thank you very much. let's go to joe biden, president
biden, who is speaking at the anniversary for amtrak. >> -- is here too. as far as i'm concerned, the weavers are family. and justin gray, speaking of family, your father and i fought a lot of fights together, planned a lot of those fights on amtrak coming back to philly. i didn't come all the way to philly. it's a wonderful tribute to this station to bear his name. and bill flynn, thank you for having me. governor wolf, mayor kinney, congressman devons, thank you for the passport into the city. appreciate it, and we have another -- i don't know that they're all here, still, but i met a lot of really important friends that were here to -- for this occasion. understand senator blumenthal is here, there you go, one of the great senators, the former attorney general took care of my son, beau, when he was attorney general. thank you very much. and also, dwight evans. dwight's here. you can't miss dwight. come on, dwight, stand up here, man. and a good friend of mine and
worked like the devil to get me elected, brendan boyle. brendan? >> that's the irish of it, man. and donald payne, new jersey! i keep telling donald, because delaware is so small, it is a constitutional -- there was a case in the supreme court, delaware, the state of owns the delaware river up to the high water mark in new jersey. just want you to know that. you've got to treat us with more respect. and mayor kinney, thanks for the passport. great friend. thank you, mr. mayor. you're doing a heck of a job. and a real close, close friend who is a co-chairman of my campaign and a great friend whole time, governor ed rendell. eddie, thank you, pal. this city owes you a lot. and tony costa, chairman of the board and one of my best friends in life. a guy named burt declementi. we've known each other since high school. we went to rival high schools. burt ran my operation in delaware for years and years.
i won an election i got the most votes in was the last election i ran for the senate. i was also running for vice president at the same time. because under delaware, if you're not out of a race by a certain time period, you've got to stay in. so burt was the senator in delaware campaigning for me. he got more votes than i go. so burt, thank you very much. also, justin gray. i've mentioned justin already and his dad and greg weaver jr. greg, you are fame -- excuse me, blake, you are family. and mary kate. you know, folks, the fact is that in the past, when i've ended up at the 30th street station, the amtrak station, it's probably because i took the late train back from washington and slept through the delaware stop, literally, not figuratively. i only did it about four times, but i i wouldn't have missed
this for the world. i look forward to a bright future for all american rail. back in 2016, i announced a federal loan that allowed amtrak to purchase the new acela trains, that you see behind me. and they look great. i can hardly wait to ride. and they're made in america and i want to see more of that. that's why the investments in my american jobs plan are guided by one principle. buy american. by products that are made in america. and american tax dollars will be used to buy american products to create american jobs. when i became vice president, one of the capitol hill newspapers estimated that i had taken more than 7,000 round trips on amtrak over my career. i think that's an exaggeration. and i'll rely on, there are two conductors that mr. weaver will
remember. one of them's a guy named angelo negri. and angelo, there was an article, i guess my fourth or fifth year as president, vice president said, biden travels 1 million miles on air force. and secret service didn't like it, but i would like to used to take the train home. my mom was sick, and i would come home almost every weekend as vice president to see her and i was getting on the train and angelo came up to me and he said, joey, baby, and he grabbed my cheek and started squeezing like he always did. and i thought he was going to get shot. i was serious. i said, no, no, he's a friend. he said, joey, what's the big deal? a 1 million or so miles on air force one. he said, do you know how many miles you've traveled on amtrak, he said, you traveled 1,115,000
miles on amtrak. i would probably take his word before i took the word of what the article said. but in the process, as the conductor will tell you, amtrak became my family. i literally, literally, every single day that i was in the united states senate got either the 728, became the 732 and/or got home on, if i got lucky, i got the metro that left -- the last one left at 6:00 or i got the 730 coming home. and you get to know everybody. you get to know the folks. and i used to have a christmas party for amtrak employees at my home. and it got so big, we ended up having a summer party, because family and retirees kept coming back. i want to tell you, they work like the devil. they really, really, really do. and amtrak wasn't just this way getting home. it provided me and