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the 100th day of his presidency on the road getting ready this hour to head to atlanta to pitch to the people the ambitious agenda he outlined in his first speech to a joint session of congress, calling on congress to pass $6 trillion in spending. plus action on immigration reform, police reform, voting rights, a $15 minimum wage. ahead, our nbc news team is here with new details from the white house on how the president plans to make that pitch. plus reaction from capitol hill and voters across the country. we'll hear from two senators, one on each side of the aisle, a rare joint interview from senators kirsten gillibrand and joni ernst to talk about their support of a bill that would bring reform to the military and the way it deals with sexual assault allegations. we're live with dr. murthy about the president's plea to get vaccinated and the potential ban on menthol cigarettes. the 100th day of the biden
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administration, i'm hallie jackson in washington joined by monica alba, outside the white house, leigh ann caldwell is on capitol hill, priscilla thompson in atlanta where the president is set to arrive in a couple hours. he's going to leave, scheduled to this hour. ellison barber outside miami with reaction to the president's speech. we learned that president has tasked some key cabinet members, five of them, to try to sell this plan that he unveiled to the american public last night. what do you expect to see, not just today with the president on the road, but in the coming days ahead? >> well, it will be similar to what we saw after the president unveiled his covid relief bill and hit the road and then also the american jobs plan on infrastructure. this is something now we've seen the white house put a plan into motion essentially and they're going to try to do the same thing with the american families plan. expect to see the president, the first lady, vice president, other top cabinet officials and surrogates on the road like what you're going to see in georgia, tomorrow in philadelphia, monday
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in virginia because the president wants to get out of washington and talk to people directly about why he sees these as his top priorities. very much like what you saw with the american jobs plan, the homework assignment that came out of the first cabinet meeting with those five officials tasked with not just leading outreach to capitol hill and lawmakers but trying to pitch these plans to americans. we're now going to see the same thing with the american job plan. the president is asking the treasury secretary, for instance, janet yellen to help with that, health and human services secretary, javier basteria. a lot of negotiating is taking place with lawmakers of both parties on phone calls. we've heard that from plenty of the cabinet officials. then you have the in-person meetings at the white house that we will see ramp up with a meeting with congressional leadership on the books for may at the white house. going back to last night's
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speech, this is really something where the president was clear about what he wanted his top line message to be and that was on jobs. he mentioned the word more than 40 times. take a listen to sound we put together that really stresses what he wanted the underlying message of his first joint address of congress to be. >> more jobs in the first 100 days than any president on record. the american jobs plan. the largest jobs plan since world war ii. millions good paying jobs. the american jobs plan is a blue collar blueprint to build america. it will add millions of jobs and trillions of dollars to economic growth in the years to come. jobs. jobs. jobs. >> reporter: timeline wise the president wants to see what he calls major progress on the infrastructure and jobs plan by memorial day, about a month from now. another notable deadline that we got last night from the
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president which he hadn't disclosed he urged lawmakers to get police reform done in the george floyd justice and policing act by the one-year anniversary of mr. floyd's death at the end of may. you can see them trying to work on the parallel tracks. in terms of bipartisan support, this is why you're going to see the president focus on the traditional physical infrastructure of the roads and bridges and waterways first because the american families plan which focuses more on the human infrastructure, child care, expanding education benefits will be a harder sell and we're seeing gop opposition to that. they will start with infrastructure first while working on other priorities as well. >> talk about where this goes in congress. if you look at our recent polling, you can see there's a lot of support for the government to do more, right. take a look. people under 35, more than half of them, seniors, same thing, lowest earners, there's a decent amount of support who say they want to see bigger government. lee ann, are republicans looking at these numbers and what are the areas where you see the potential for movement? i know there might be some
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action even as early as today on the issue of police reform, right? >> well, republicans are betting that democrats are going to go too far and it's going to backfire on them. you're starting to see the ideological lines being drawn in the sand between republicans and democrats where republicans have major problems with what president biden laid out last night, not only an additional $4 trillion worth of spending, notable that president biden didn't mention that number in his speech, but also how president biden wants to pay for it, by increasing taxes on the wealthiest americans and on corporations. these are things that republicans say they just cannot support. but, moving ahead, there are potential places where they could compromise. there seems to be a growing consensus up here on capitol hill among republicans and democrats that they would like some sort of a bipartisan win, perhaps on that more traditional
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transportation focused infrastructure. cut that apart and then the acknowledgement that perhaps democrats could move ahead on their own on all of the other human infrastructure components. meanwhile, like monica said, there's the two tracks on the george floyd policing bill. there is some news out of that today. there are bipartisan talks through a more formal way getting together with four republicans from the house and senate, four democrats from the house and senate, and they are going to talk about a path forward. it's not happening in a vacuum. it has the backing of democratic leadership, so perhaps that puts them on a timeline, these negotiators, to pass this george floyd policing bill on president biden's timeline, which is the one-year anniversary of george floyd's death. hallie? >> we know at some point this hour, if if the president is running on time, he will be departing for atlanta. priscilla thompson, you are
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posted up there. talk about what's on his agenda. this is an important state for the president and obviously control of the senate in congress it was, and now you've got the president really trying to emphasize the first stop of his sort of post-speech tour there. >> absolutely, hallie. the president is commemorating the big day by making several stops here in georgia, a state that for the first time in nearly two decades sent a democrat to the white house when voters chose joe biden in november, and not only did they do that, but they also sent two democratic senators to washington to help joe biden pursue his agenda. this is no doubt in part a thank you to the voters of georgia who helped to do all of that. we know that the president is first going to stop in plains, georgia, and meet with former president and fellow democrat jimmy carter and his wife rose lin carter. the president will head to
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gwinnett county, one of those diversifying suburbs of atlanta that was really crucial to the president's win here in the state. it was formerly a republican stronghold, but over the past decade as that area has grown and diversified, has begun to trend blue. we expect that the president is, of course, going to talk about what he considers his biggest achievements in the past 100 days, likely to mention the $1.9 trillion covid relief bill, but this visit comes on the heels of the new proposals that you all have been talking about -- expanding educational access opportunities, the possibility of greater job creation, and, you know, he laid that out in his address last night, but i've got to tell you, most of the folks that i've spoken to here did not watch joe biden's address last night. i have spoken to around a dozen folks and only two of them watched and listened to what he had to say last night. it will be interesting to see how he lays out those points, which points he reiterates here
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in georgia, when speaking directly to the voters here. hallie? >> priscilla, thank you. we love to talk about sort of the voice and perspective of voters on this show. you are in coral gables, florida, hearing what people there are thinking of the president's speech. what's up? >> yeah. we're seeing some of what priscilla touched on, about two-thirds of the people we have tried to talk to here said they did not watch the president's address. not necessarily because they were boycotting it or intentionally not watching it, they just went to bed. they had to work, they had other things. this wasn't top of their to do list. many plan to catch up on it some time today. the people who did watch it, they told us they felt like by and large this was a good speech, regardless of the policies, regardless of the substance, what people told us here is that they felt like this was well delivered and that a lot of ground was covered. but actions speak louder than
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words. listen here. >> i think it's good politicians start thinking big, rather than doing things piecemeal and having broad visions about what we should do with america. i thought that came through pretty well. >> actions speak louder than words and i'm hoping to continue to see joe biden deliver on those promises. >> the key question is how is that all paid for? the only way is by taxing people. >> reporter: that last point there we've heard quite a bit on that from conservatives in this area in the last few days. i don't know how that man voted in the last election cycle but prior to this speech talking to moderate former republicans or moderate republicans, conservatives who identify as never trumpers who voted for biden in this last election cycle, the primary concern they say they've had about president biden and his first 100 days relates to the economic plan and that $4 trillion price tag. in particular, we've heard people talk about concerns, this
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is conservatives, never trumpers, who voted for biden, talking about their concerns particularly with his plan to nearly double the capital gains tax on people who make over $1 million. >> ellison barber live in florida, monica, lee ann, priscilla, thanks to all of you for being with us this morning. we're going to keep an eye on the white house. you have the president and first lady as we said ready to hop on marine 1 get to joint base andrews and head to atlanta in the next 20 minutes or so. we'll see if he decides to speak on his way out the door. in the meantime inside the raid, that search, of rudy giuliani's home and office. what exactly federal investigators were searching for. my new interview overnight with giuliani's son and what i'm hearing from folks in giuliani's orbit. up next, it could be the biggest change to military rules in a decade. a military sexual assault bill set to be unveiled less than an hour from now. kirsten gillibrand and joni ernst live together on why after
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within the next hour a bill eight years in the making is being reintroduced on chil and if passed it would bring a change to military rules. interestingly, senators from both sides of the aisle are getting on board looking to not just change, but really overall how the u.s. military handles allegations of sexual assault. right now allegations are handled by commanding officers who decide whether or not to prosecute the case. one senator kristen gillibrand has been working to change that and wants to give that decision to trained military prosecutors instead. here's how it's been going, the bill and push getting pushback by senior military officers and members of her own party. fast forward to today and the tide seems to be changing. the new defense secretary is open to considering changes. senators who voted against this
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in the past agree that congress should step in and senator gillibrand is getting key republicans to sign on as co-sponsors including iowa senator joni ernst both sit on the armed services committee and joining me live from capitol hill right now. senators, good morning to the both of you. thank you for doing this joint interview with us. >> good morning, hallie. >> good morning, halle. >> senator gillibrand, "the new york times" posted you kept a whiteboard in your office tracking the amount of support you were getting on this bill and this push. can you share more? you've been working to convince lawmakers to come on board. can you share why you think now after years of fighting for this the tide seems to be changing? >> there's been three. the first change is we have a commander in chief that campaigned on this reform and said he would take it out of the chain of command who instructed his secretary of defense to do a study. the recent study has been leaked and they support this reform. third, we have new leadership.
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the fact that joni ernst is now on this bill, the only combat female veteran in the republican party, is really important. we have changes from senior democrats who wanted to see if other reforms worked, senior democrats on the committee who are now supporting this reform. the tide has changed, and i think -- joni will speak to this, we've seen data out of the department of defense. we recently had a report from ft. hood that said the climate that command climate was toxic to women and, in fact, allowed harassment and assault to happen. >> senator ernst, let me go to you on this. you are somebody who has a unique perspective on this front as senator gillibrand alluded to. you say you have been torn about this but you've been a commander, somebody in that position, in that chain. why now? why have your views started to change on this at this point? >> yes, hallie, and i have been very torn on this. one, because i did serve as a military commander, both a
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company commander deployed overseas for "operation iraqi freedom" and following on as a battalion commander in the iowa national guard. i am a survivor of sexual assault. understanding the dynamics we've seen in the past i've worked diligently in my first term to bolster prevention efforts and make sure we are making improvements within the system. however, we do have these very damming reports that have come forward where we're not seeing a decrease in sexual assaults. we are not seeing the command climates change. ft. hood was a real tipping point i think for many people, with a devastating command climate that did not foster dignity and respect. we have got to get to the heart of that issue and that simple move will be by taking the prosecution, that decision making authority, out of that commander's hands, putting it with a specialized prosecutor which kirsten has worked so diligently on and making sure
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they are so highly trained in the areas of domestic violence and sexual assault which are extremely intimate crimes. >> there has been much discussion lately in washington about the partisan divide between both of your parties. this seems to be an issue, senator ernst to you and then senator gillibrand to you, where there may actually be obviously as displayed by both of you, work across the aisle. what do others in your party say as you're trying to get them on board and senator gillibrand, do you have guidance from leadership on timing of when this might come to the floor for a vote? >> this has been a really interesting shift through the years. senator gillibrand has worked so hard on this issue for so many years, but by coming together and sitting down and talking through different ideas, senator grassley has been a promoter of this as well, working with democrats, with republicans, visiting with leaders in the military and understanding why it is that they don't want to
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change their perspective, but finding a way forward, it was very important for all of us. we find with me talking to colleagues in the republican conference, they're understanding why we need to change the culture in the military and why this move is right, right now. >> senator gillibrand, to you on timing, do you have any guidance on when this might come to the floor for a vote and if it passes, is it fair to say this would be some of the most sweeping changes to the rules in the military since 2010? >> this would be a historic reform. it is one that has been advocated by service members, by veterans, lots of the veteran organizations like the iraq and afghanistan veterans associations have supported this from the beginning, and it's something -- it's an idea whose time has come because we have tried every other reform. we've put in place any panel's recommendations that the d.o.d. has signed off on, we put that into law over the last eight years.
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joni and i worked a lot on that in the committee. >> yeah. >> and those haven't worked. we still have an estimated 20,000 sexual assaults and rapes. we're seeing the rate of prosecution and the rate of conviction going down the wrong direction. so under any measurable, things aren't getting better, and you add to that the ft. hood report as well as the deaths of vanessa guillen, there's so much difficulty in the military in dealing with these cases. we want to professionalize it. we think this is the most common sense reform, taking the decision making out of the chain of command, giving it to trained prosecutors in the military. that's what our allies have done and what canada has done, the uk has done, israel, germany, australia, all of the allies we fight with and they've told us they saw no dim minenution in command control, and, in fact, they barely noticed a change. the ones who will notice the change are the survivors, the men and women who are sexually assaulted who want to know that the person who makes the
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fundamental decision is unbiased and highly trained, who is actually a lawyer in criminal justice. that will make the difference. i also want to say, this is a moment of bipartisanship. how many bills in congress have chuck grassley and ted cruz and rand paul and mitch mcconnell supporting it as well as senator schumer and bernie sanders and liz warren. it's a different thing and it's something that is our job as congress, our job is to provide oversight and accountability over the armed services. sometimes they don't want us to do our job, but we have to because at this moment we have to support the men and women who serve. they deserve a criminal justice system worthy of their sacrifice. >> you think it will pass by -- i'm sorry. i was going to say passed by this summer? is that the timeline? end of the year? >> usually this type of reform is in the national defense authorization bill. >> got it. >> i imagine when senator ernst and i and senator grassley announce all the cosponsors, we will be at 60 or above and that
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will mean we could put this into the base bill of the ndaa. that is our goal. it should be done this year. >> yes. >> before i let you go. >> go ahead, senator. >> i also want to mention the efforts on prevention too, and that was something that kirsten and i felt was really important. we are leaning heavily on prevention and education because once an assault has occurred, you can never take that back. so the goal is to stop the crime before it impacts lives forever. >> you both have a press conference to get to. we will be unveiling this more publicly and thrilled you're talking to us about it first. before i let you go, ask you about the other big news from last night. both of you i believe were in attendance last night, right, for the president's joint address to the nation. senator ernst, let me start with you, we're talking about unity now and partnershipship -- bipartisan. senator scott said democrats are dividing the country. of everything the president
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proposed where do you see yourself getting on board and working with the president and democrats? >> well, the president indicated this quite well and i hope he is sincere about it, but infrastructure is an area where democrats and republicans have traditionally worked together in a bipartisan manner and in the last congress, we actually had a bill, a highway reauthorization transportation bill, surface transportation bill that passed out of senate committee 21-0. there's a great level of bipartisanship in this area. i think we will make great strides as we come together on infrastructure. >> speaking of unity, are you comfortable with where your party is right now and the divisions inside the gop, the trump wing and perhaps the lizz cheney wing? >> well, i think what you see is unity. we are coming together because we recognize there are so many issues that we should be working on, not only as a party, but then also things we can do in a
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bipartisan manner which is why my friendship with kirsten is so important to me and the things that we are able to work on together because we're making a difference. we know that and that's why we're working so hard. >> senator, they are wrapping me to go to commercial break. i have to get your quick reaction to that vision last night of madam vice president, madam speaker, that president biden referenced during the speech. >> super inspiring. super inspiring. i loved his opening line. i thought it was great. >> senator kirsten gillibrand and senator joni ernst, thank you for taking time to talk with us about this important legislation you're introducing today. coming up, major health news out, just during the last couple minutes during that conversation, the biden administration planning to propose banning menthol cigarettes. next up we're talking about to the surgeon general about why and what you need to know about the public health implications here. later, demonstrations in north carolina defy a curfew demanding the full release of the body cam footage in the andrew brown shooting.
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working on a proposal to ban them within the next year along with all flavored cigars. research has shown menthol cigarettes are easier to get addicted to and harder to quit than regular tobacco products. for decades menthol cigarettes have been targeted to black americans. more than 85% use menthol cigarettes way up from 10% in the '50s and three times the rate of white smokers. i'm joined by the u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy. good morning. thank you for being with us. >> thanks so much, hallie. it's good to see you. >> it's a great morning to have you with this developing news out from the fda as the country's top doctor, do you personally support this move to ban menthol cigarettes? >> well, hallie, let me just say the subject of menthol cigarettes has been a topic of great concern in the medical and public health community for many, many years. my predecessor's former surgeon general and myself have written
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and spoken about this in the past. here's why there's such great concern. what the science tells us is that menthol is a factor in increasing the likelihood of adults experimenting with cigarettes and likelihood of them moving to smoking regularly. on the other side also, we know that menthol can make -- can be more addictive for some people and can make it harder to quit. we knows also that the disproportionate burden of menthol cigarettes, the burden of the harm really, falls upon communities of color, upon lbgtq individuals and the poor. we've got to recognize that this is not only a product that is contributing to tobacco related deaths, but we have to remember despite all the headlines focused on covid-19, that tobacco-related disease remains the leading cause of preventable death in the country. this action that fda is looking to take would help us to reduce that burden of disease. it's something public health
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advocates have been calling for for a very long time. >> you talk about the disproportionate impact on black and brown communities and we talked about that in the introduction as well. the aclu and others argue that a ban could hurt the communities saying the ban could trigger criminal penalties which would hurt people of color and prioritize criminalization over health and harm reduction. how does the government make sure this does not lead to the unfair targeting of black and brown people in this country? >> well, it's a really important point, hallie. the goal is not to create other challenges. it's so solve a fundamental problem. at the end of the day, though, tobacco and nicotine, the addictive component in tobacco, this is part of effectively a broader category of substance use disorders. we recognize in this country
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substance use disorders are an illness, something that should be treated with compassion and treatment and not with incarceration or with punishment, and i think that's the approach we have to take here as well, whether dealing with tobacco, alcohol, opioids. the idea is the same. our goal should be to take every step possible to protect communities from these kind of substances which can be addictive and protect our children who when they develop, again, this habit around smoking and tobacco use, that can impact them for years to come and becomes a life-long habit that is hard for many to shake. >> i want to turn to covid quickly. you've been outspoken on the issue of e-cigarettes generally. i want to be clear this ban would not apply to e-cigarettes, right? do you think that should be part of a future action by the government? >> well, certainly this current announcement today applies to regular cigarettes. there's a related portion of the announcement that apply to flavors in cigars.
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e-cigarettes, you know, are also a deep point of concern more broadly. in 2016 i issued the first federal report on e-cigarets in youth because of my concern we were seeing extraordinary growth in the number of children who are actually using e-cigarette products which meant they are running the risk of developing an addiction to nicotine and going on to use other tobacco-related substances. we still have millions of children in our country using these tobacco products and flavors are a critical reason why. we continue it need to make more action on the cigarette front. today is an important step forward in reducing the overall challenge that we face with tobacco-related tease. despite it being 2021, there is still a lot of work to do on that front. >> a lot of work to do on the pandemic front. we're in the middle of what is considered by some of a vaccination slowdown, 2.5 million shots in arms per day,
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down from 4 plus million. you have the state of west virginia offering a $100 bond to people between 16 and 35 to get vaccinated to younger people. aside from the public service campaigns that administration is working on, are there any new plans in the works at the federal level to incentivize young people to get the shot and pick up the pace of vaccinations in this country? >> well, hallie, i'm glad you're bringing this up. we are number one, look at the news, we have vaccinated more than 140 million people in our country. deaths among seniors dropped by 80% and more than 80% of that population being vaccinated with one shot. >> it appears as though -- >> that's extraordinary progress. overall if we look at confidence in vaccines, that has [ inaudible ] the overall confidence in vaccines has been growing since the [ inaudible ]
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since december of last year. >> dr. murthy -- >> we have to continue to ensure that we are getting people -- [ no audio ] right information about e-cigarettes so they can make [ inaudible ]. >> unfortunately, i think we have lost the live shot there of u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy, although we had more to discuss including the covid crisis in india. thanks to him for this important conversation this morning on the nation's public health. we're going to take a quick break but when we return, more on that case of rudy giuliani, the search warrants executed at his house. new details of what his son is revealing this morning to me after visiting with his father. that's after the break. (phone rings) hello? hi mommy, i won a medal. that's amazing! ♪ going back to the place we love ♪ i got in! ♪ with endless summer nights ♪ he's walking!
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giuliani's legal team responding to the ramping up of this investigation into the former mayor's dealings with ukraine saying this is unwarranted. legal experts say the mere fact that the fbi got a search warrant indicates they probably built a pretty strong case. new fallout after those searches at rudy giuliani's office and manhattan apartment. fbi agents escorted to giuliani's home by his doorman according to a person briefed on what happened. multiple sources familiar with the investigation tell nbc news the agents seized giuliani's electronic devices, phones, tablets, or computers. it's believed to be part of a long-running investigation into giuliani's dealings with ukraine. >> i was given information about ukrainian corruption. >> reporter: giuliani's attorney insists he did nothing wrong. in a statement saying in part, the search warrants involve only one indication of an alleged incident of failure to register as a foreign agent.
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giuliani's son speaking with us after visiting with his father. >> he's a tough guy. when the mafia puts a hit out on you and you've lived through september 11th it's almost like it doesn't phase him to be honest. >> reporter: a personal familiar with the investigation tells nbc news federal prosecutors had what they needed to get this warrant as far back as last year, but it was just a matter of timing, which suggests the justice department may have wanted to wait until the transition period between administrations ended before moving forward. giuliani, coming off a string of high-profile public moments, facing defamation lawsuits after pushing false conspiracy theories about the 2021 election, including in unusual press conferences. >> i can't tell you exactly what's on the ballot. >> reporter: and a controversial scene in the 2020 borat sequel showing his interaction pretending to be a tv reporter. giuliani called it a fabrication and said he was never inappropriate. >> one of new york's most
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high-profile figures involved in this investigation, bring in former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official chuck rossenberg. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> put in perspective how usual it is for this kind of search to happen, what it means for the status of the investigation and where it goes from here today? >> right. so search warrants are part of the investigative phase, hallie, it's the stuff that happens earlier than later before you charge somebody. i sort of smiled when you described critics as saying that search of mr. giuliani's office was unwarranted. actually, it's about as warranted as you can get because it's pursuant to a search warrant. the department of justice, fbi, federal prosecutors go to a federal judge with a showing of probable cause, probable cause that a crime has been committed and we're going to find the stuff they're looking for in the place they want to search and that's a search warrant.
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so perfectly warranted. >> some of the pushback, just to pull back for viewers, you and i have talked about this particular situation just ahead of some of my reporting i've done elsewhere on the network here and i know that your perspective is one that, you know, there is pushback from rudy giuliani's attorney, that is perhaps unsurprising, insisting his client is an upstanding citizen and done everything honorably, what andrew giuliani told me overnight as well. the search warrant -- that it would be permitted to move forward, is not as you point out is not an admission of guilt, it's not a guilty verdict, but it does indicate that a judge has found -- has been convinced by prosecutors that they can move forward. >> that's exactly right, hallie. think about the derek chauvin trial we saw. in order to find him guilty, which happens at the end of the criminal justice process you need beyond reasonable doubt.
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at this phase you need less than that in terms of proof. you only need probable cause. to your point that is what a federal judge found that prosecutors and agents had probable cause. by the way, completely unsurprising that mr. giuliani's son, i'm sure his son loves his father, would defend him or that his lawyer would defend him. what would be newsworthy is if the lawyer said my client is a creep, ought to go to jail, and i've been waiting for the fbi to search his apartment. >> you're not wrong on that one. that would be newsworthy. our team reported back in december that feds had enough, they thought, to be able to get this warrant but held off potentially because of the administration transition there. what does that timing say to you, if anything? >> that's a really interesting question, right. it could be for a nefarious reason that political leadership of the department under the trump administration didn't want
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to do this or non-nefarious as you mentioned in your lead-in, that timing was predicated on not doing something like this near an election or near a transition or giving the news justice department leadership time to come in and get briefed on the case and be comfortable with moving forward. so i don't know the answer. i hope it's the second thing. i hope it's the nonnefarious explanation, hallie. we will see. >> chuck rosenberg, always great to have you and your expert analysis with us. appreciate it. back on capitol hill behind me, you have house speaker nancy pelosi ready to hit that microphone you see on your screen, speaking with reporters for first time since president biden's address to the nation. we're going to bring you any news from that live as it happens. on the hill, formal talks on police reform start today. we've got details, new details, on that bipartisan meeting happening in a matter of hours, next. ening in a matter of hours next th type 2 diabetes are waking up to what's possible with rybelsus®.
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new protests overnight in north carolina after a judge declined to publically release bodycam video in the shooting death of andrew brown, junior. the judge said turning over footage to news media could affect court proceedings, if there's a trial. no charges have been brought at this time. the judge will let brown's family see the video in the next ten days. it comes as president biden in his speech last night said the u.s. needs to restore the trust between the police and the public. in the last hour, you have four congressional aides saying formal talks on police reform are set to start today. eight lawmakers, four from each party from each chamber are at the table. we are getting new information that ben crump and the floyd family met for an hour on
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capitol hill with chuck schumer. do you know anything about this meeting? talk to us about what that might say about talks progressing now? >> reporter: it's an important day for police reform on capitol hill because talks are moving from an informal phase to a more serious negotiation. eight lawmakers are expected to meet this afternoon in both parties and both chambers. in the senate, republicans tim scott and lindsey graham are a part of it. senators cory booker and dick durbin will be a part of it. in the house, democrats karen boss and josh gottheimer. and two republicans a part of it, but we don't know who they are at this juncture. they have the blessing of congressional leadership from previous conversations happening more informally between karen bass and tim scott. this comes one day after president biden gave the effort a significant boost by calling on congress to pass police
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reform by may 25th, the first anniversary of george floyd's death. interestingly, president biden did not lay out red lines about what exactly it's supposed to include. the reason for had a is democrats have passed their george floyd policing bill through the house of representatives, but in the senate, they do not have the ten votes needed to break a filibuster. that's where the negotiations come in. tim scott is seen as someone who has the juice to bring republicans along. we will be watching to see where these negotiations go. >> a lot of people will be. you know you will keep us posted. let me bring in eddie glaude. it's so great to see you. thank you for being with us. we have a lot to talk about. can i start with what just happened on the hill? we understand that the floyd family, obviously, the center of so much of this, is meeting with tim scott, who delivered the response to the president's speech, has been a key republican on this issue of police reform.
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what does that say about how the process is unfolding right now? >> well, we know that there's an effort to get the george floyd act passed. there are some sticking points. one has to ask the question, what is the nature of those sticking points? what will be the nature of the compromise? i think this kind of one on one meeting with the floyd family and ben crump is an important moment to let them know what they would like the law to do. i'm really interested to see what are -- what's the nature of the compromise? when you look at the components of the bill, one has to ask the question, what are they walking back? particularly, we know that tim scott has some issue with qualified immunity. we have to ask the question, how do we hold police accountable? >> explain that issue, eddie, for folks not super familiar with it and why it's so important here. >> well, i mean, the interesting thing is the police engage in these actions. what does it mean to hold them accountable as opposed to having
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them be kind of in some ways secured from suit? only the city or the municipality has to bear the burden. part of this is trying to have the police officer ask him or herself the question, do we want to use force in this way, in this moment? i think it's really important when we think about it at a very basic level, how do we hold police accountable? how do we change the nature of policing? one of the things we saw in the chauvin trial is when we hold them accountable, there could be some kind of affect across the country in terms of how policing takes place. >> what is your level of optimism as we sit here this morning that that deadline that president biden set last night really accelerating the george floyd police reform bill to the top of his legislative agenda, he wants to get it done by may 25th, how optimistic are you? do you think that could happen, that that is a realistic time frame? >> i'm not that optimistic. i'm interested -- we have heard
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lindsey graham and tim scott say that there's no such thing as systemic racism in america. how do we get at the heart of addressing the systemic racism that defines american policing? i'm always hopeful. let's see what happens. >> it's great to have you here for the show. thank you very much for being with us. thank you for watching msnbc live. i'm sticking with you for our next hour. that's because craig melvin is literally interviewing president biden as we speak down the street at the white house. we will see if he is able to hustle back in time to give us a preview. i will see you coming up on msnbc reports. e emergency medice possible at 40,000 feet. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect. rethinking how we communicate to be more inclusive than ever. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions,
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i'm hallie jackson back with you this hour. if you are wondering where craig melvin is, he has a good reason for his absence. he just finished interviewing president biden. stick with us, because we expect craig to join us with a preview of the conversation and some of the news from that discussion. who knows when it will happen. all of it as the president hopes to build political momentum on his 100th day in office, ready to hit the road and get to georgia, the state that delivered him a democratic majority senate to help pass his proposals. he will sell his proposal to folks there. he is walking into a political battlefield over racial injustice and voting rights. you can


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