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was someone, if god forbid, that ever happened would do that with great sensitivity in great dignity. >> a generation of space geeks joins the collins in mourning his loss at the age of 99. thanks to our friend michael beschloss. that is going to do it for this wednesday night special speech edition of our broadcast, our special live coverage of the presidents joint address to congress continues live with chris hayes, right after this. right after this. ,. . on the eve of the 100th day of his administration, just a few hours ago, president joe biden gave his very first joint address to congress. speech coming just hours after
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news broke that federal investigators raided the home and office of the former presidents lawyer, rudy giuliani. as part of an ongoing investigation into giuliani's dealing with ukraine. you may remember that giuliani set himself the task of digging up dirt on the bidens in the ukraine, part of his effort to keep joe biden away from that podium tonight. he did not succeed. we'll have much more on that story ahead with one of the former presidents impeachment managers. congressman adam schiff. but first, it was a historic night. two women seated by the president for the very first time. and the joint address to congress. one of those being a woman of color. vice president kamala harris. the address was also unlike any other due to the ongoing pandemic. you can see it there in the shot. just 200 members of congress and officials attending. where they're usually 1600. they were seated apart from each other for social distancing purposes. but much else about tonight was familiar to joe biden.
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who of course, attended dozens of these addresses during his 36 years in the u.s. senate. twice delivered part of the democratic response to ronald reagan speeches. here he is. the vice president biden also sat behind barack obama ten times, as he delivered addresses to a joint session of congress. tonight, it was finally joseph r. biden's turn to deliver his own. one of the moments from tonight getting the most attention online right now is texas senator ted cruz. because watching a grown man fall asleep in a seat before 10 pm is both a musing, and i have to say, somewhat really tumbled coach dads everywhere. crews later treated about the moment in his typically odious fashion. hashtag boring but radical. i would not really agree with either of those terms, more erratic all. but i will say this -- cruise is getting at something real here. because joe biden has been in
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office for so long, and partly, frankly because of his race and his gender. in fact, he looks like almost all previous american presidents. except barack obama. because joe biden has practice speaking in ways that sound non threatening, he could lay out this incredibly ambitious agenda. a progressive agenda that would bring america in line with other developed democracies in terms of the capacity and scope of this social safety net. and he could do it in a way that sounded as american as apple pie. >> american jobs plan is going to create millions of good playing jobs, jobs americans can raise a family on. as my dad would then say, with a little breathing room. and all the investments in the american jobs plan would be guided by one principal. by american. [applause] and i might know parenthetically that, does not violate any trade agreement.
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it's been the law since the thirties. by american. american tax dollars are going to be used to buy american products, made in america, to create american jobs. that's the way it's supposed to be and will be in this administration. [applause] >> biden laid out a comprehensive vision of american social democracy. things that those on the left have wanted for a very long. time for decades. and he did in a way, clearly crafted to appeal to the political center of america. or what is left of it. in my mind, it was pretty effective. he also spoke directly with compassion to specific groups of americans. like the transgender children and their families currently facing political attacks. >> i also hope congress will get to my desk, the equality act to protect lgbtq americans. [applause] all transgender
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americans watching at home, especially young people, so brave. i want you to know your president has your back. >> the your president has your back. of course, standing at the site of the insurrection nearly four months later, biden reflected on the darker days of this winter. ending on a hopeful note about unity. >> we stared into the abyss of insurrection an auto autocracy. pandemic and pain. and we the people did not flinch. the very moment our adversaries were certain we would pull apart and fail, we came together and reunited. >> senator jeff merkley of oregon was one of the 200 lawmakers in that chamber with president biden tonight. he joins me now. senator, you've been in that chamber for a number of these. what was it like tonight? >> the unofficial feeling was so different because of the much smaller number of individuals in the chamber. and it meant that the noise,
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the applause was very different. because enthusiastic, but not the same as when the police is packed, for sure. but i must say, the contrast after four years of trump in which he was inciting heat. tonight, we heard about responding to a crisis and seizing opportunity, and rebuilding america, and treating people decently. and it was just, to me, this was america. america was on display tonight. america is. back >> the agenda that was laid out, i think is both quite ambitious. and we can talk about where the votes are in the senate for that. but also, it fill in the main, an agenda that all parts of the democratic caucus can basically get behind. we'll see on the details, particularly with some of your fellow caucus members. how did you feel about it?
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>> absolutely. the american jobs plan, it's rebuilding america, as he put it. it was a blue color blueprint for bree building our country. when we talk about infrastructure, he was in talking just about traditional infrastructure, he was talking about broadband for rural america. he was talking about rebuilding our energy systems, to pave the path for renewable energy and take on the climate crisis. he was talking about families, it is talk about things that are so important people. improving health care, improving education, improving childcare. and noting that what we have justin is going to live half of american children out of poverty. but let's make it permanent. let's extend it. and i think that is the vision that families across america have waited for here for a very long time. and then pivoting and saying, hey we need more justice. that means we need to take on and pass the george floyd criminal justice bill. and we need to pass the equality act to end the doors
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of opportunity being slammed shut on lgbtq americans. at that moment, when he spoke out to the transgender community across america, trans children have the hardest path of any children in america. there this objects of bullying, they face just tremendous challenges figuring out life. and here was a president who says, instead of society picking on you, you have a friend. that friend is the president of united states. and he has your back. and trans children have never heard anything like that in the history of the united states of america. >> we are, of course, still in the midst of a pandemic. as you can tell from the distancing that was in that room. but it is also the case -- it struck me the speech was very forward-looking. there was not that much about covid. were you surprised by that? >> i felt that the president
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talked about having driven the vaccination rate up. he didn't want to draw well on looking backward. he wanted to look ahead. i must say, when he started out and said in 100 days we've gone from here to here, we've taken on this crisis. and we have put america back to work. more jobs than the first hundred days of any presidency. we have increased vaccinations from less than the marijuana data more than 3 million per day. but he kept that reflection brief and then pivoted to the vision of what we can accomplish this year if we come together as americans. if we end this tribal partisanship. and i know of in the senate this is really what's at stake here. we could have an extraordinary year for america, or we could have mitch mcconnell exercising the veto and blocking everything. and keeping us in the dark ages. so, i'm very sensitive to the fact that the vision he laid out tonight. when he set kept saying
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congress needs to act. what he's releasing is the senate has to come through for america. we have to make that happen. >> all right, senator jeff merkley, thank you for staying up with us tonight. i appreciate it. we'll talk to you soon. >> thank you, chris. >> i want to bring in david plus. campaign manager for the 2008 campaign obama campaign. author of a citizen's going to be turned on. trump and former democratic congresswoman donna edwards, who's not columnists at the washington post. donna, let me start with you. because you've got real hands on experience in some of the decisions they have been within the democratic caucus at various times. any political party is going to have factions within it, it's gonna have fights over policy. there's going to be different digital graphic interest. does the first hundred days, it does seem joe biden in rhetoric and substance has held this caucus together across the board pretty well. how do you think tonight worked in that respect? >> i actually think that the
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president did a really good job in laying out a forward looking agenda that speaks to every element of the democratic caucus. i'm a progressive and i found lots like him there. but i would imagine that members of the more centrist members of the caucus would find locks to like as well. i think it was a really, as you described, ambitious agenda. but it was very carefully laid out. and it really spoke to where we need to move. the fact that we have come off of this pandemic and are coming out of it. joe biden tonight, i think laid out a really forward thinking agenda that scoring to be embrace by a lot of democrats across the board. and maybe even bring on some republicans. >> david, i want to play a clip that really stood out to me.
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one of the abiding facts of american political life at this moment is increasing education polarization. it presents challenges to both parties. because republicans are losing college educated voters in enormous droves. it's hurting them in areas they use. when democrats are losing folks without a for your college degree, and areas they used to win. and that cuts across racial lines. the gap is there among white voters, black voters and latino voters. this part about a blue color, blue print, seem targeted at that very intentionally. >> take a listen. >> independent experts estimate the american jobs plan will add millions of jobs and trillions of dollars to economic growth in the years to come. it is a eight-year program. these are good paying jobs that can't be outsourced. nearly 90% of the infrastructure jobs created and american jobs plan do not require a college degree. 75% don't require and
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associates degree. american jobs plan is a blue collar, blueprint to build america. >> what did you think of that? >> chris, no faculty lounge stop there. that was bull's-eye. and it smart politics. more importantly is foreign policy. we've got a lot of challenges whether we actually have democracy in a few years. climate change. really getting on the other side of the pandemic. but figuring out a way so that people who didn't graduate college, didn't go to college, are able to earn better income. is the challenge of our times. i think that's a popular opinion on those matters. offering popularity us. and that's on base. and i think that there's a lot of issues from police reform and criminal justice reform, climate change, to health care, that are going to take his attention. right? but this has to be home base. so what's amazing about the speech is it was incredibly ambitious.
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but it was plain spoken. it seemed realistic. and we know most of these ideas are supported, not just in the entire democratic spectrum, from left to right and center. by a lot of republicans. and i can't imagine he exits tonight doing anything other than increasing that support. not amongst republicans in the chamber, but republicans are in the country. >> yes, there was also, donna here's another thing that left out to me. i remember barack obama speeches, particularly in 2009, 2010. and there is always a bit of shadow boxing with what the critics would say. that was partly a barack obama rhetorical flourish that he left to do. it's president in his first memoir. but it's also partly about you can feel the breathing down the neck of these republican arguments. particularly around taxing and spending and the deficit. there was essentially none of that biden's speech today. it was basically here's the agenda. i think this would be good i, think this would you would
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think this would be good. and there is not any kind of defensive crouch about deficits, taxing and spending. those sort of the. what do you think about that? >> well and here's why, president biden laid out an agenda that the american people are embracing. coup is going to argue with the fact that childcare costs are rivaling college to wish and these days? who is going to argue with the fact that we need to create jobs that really spanned the spectrum so that americans, particularly american women, can get back into the workforce again. and so i think with the president did is that he said, here are the things that we need to get done and the american people have already decided who should pay for it. president biden didn't need to talk about that. >> david, as someone who has worked with president obama, of course, i wonder if you feel the same way or is there something that shifted in the national conversation between then and now that allows that
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to happen? >> chris, you're right, time is not static and neither is politics. what happened is that old electors from republicans, trump takes the white house and they run record deficits, not to create jobs but to create tax deficits for the wealthy. childcare, universal preschool, all the blue jobs. they're popular. how biden would pay for them is even more popular. you have what people want is popular and how biden is proposing to pay for it is popular new can go a long way. >> david plouffe and donna edwards, a lot more to discuss about his first address to congress, but first we have to discuss the people who try to me -- to see joe biden's campaign, the fbi raid of ex presidents
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bounce forward, with comcast business. at the center of so much sketchy activity including trump's first impeachment and who was as far back as 2019 reported to be under investigation. that rudy, that rudy had a really rough day today because, at 6 am this morning his home in office were raided by the fbi is part of an investigation into whether he broke foreign lobbying laws. the fbi seized his cell phone, computers, new york times quote
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one of the warrants for mr. rudy giuliani's devices indicated that they were searching for communications between him and ukrainian officials. i should also tell you it appears that the u.s. attorney in manhattan had tried for months to get the department of justice to approve the search warrants but those efforts were rebuffed quote, under mr. trump, senior political appointees in the justice department repeatedly sought to block the warrants. slowing the investigation as it was gaining momentum last year. after merrick garland was confirmed as biden's attorney general, the justice department lifted its objections. to serve a warrant on a lawyers no small thing, to serve a lawyer on rudy giuliani that is
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something else entirely. there's still a lot we don't know, here to make sense of all of its, to reporters arrive extensively reported about him we have -- who's reported on other things, rudy not entirely secure communication, and a reporter from politico. josh let me start with you about what we know about the status of the investigation and what today were presented in that investigation. >> well, what we know that the investigation does seem to be zeroing in on giuliani as you mentioned chris, it is pretty serious that the prosecutors in new york think they have enough evidence to raid a lawyer's office. as you mentioned, that does not happen very often. it's suggest that they think that they have not only probable cause to think that some kind of crime was committed, but some amount,
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some quantum more than that, because you wouldn't want to make a presentation to justice department headquarters, whether it's rebuffed or not, without being pretty sure you have the goods. it has to be pretty scary for mr. giuliani, that his former colleagues, the former office he used to run, thinks they have the goods on him. >> just to emphasize that point you just made, josh, people in law enforcement can be quite cavalier, i think we've seen examples of that. when it comes to -- should we go raid the apartment of the ex presidents lawyer -- i mean, the institutional disposition you're gonna have at every layer of barack rusty, are we sure about this, they're a lot of green lights that had to be issued, you have to imagine before something like this happened. >> right, it does look, chris, like there is a fair amount of circumstantial evidence, there was a pretty big struggle with
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the justice department last year over this. a specific issue. remember you had this attempt, we by bill barr to fire the u.s. attorney, jeff berman, around june of last year. and then there was a second indictment of giuliani's associates that came out in september about six or seven weeks before the november election. i was looking back at that today and i noticed that in the original indictment it mentioned the ukraine's political effort and the effort to ouch the ukrainian ambassador which became a huge effort, and a huge trump political project at one point. that looks like a disappeared from the second indictment, it seems like there was some effort to try in some ways, sanitize the investigation politically in advance of the november election. >> olivia, you have been covering rudy trump the trump
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years and it is really noticeable how often he comes up in like the lowest moments or the worst scandals or the things that went the most awry. bolton describes him famously as a hand grenade. he sort of a whirling dervish of corruption and payments from unknown parties, and he's everywhere -- i guess, what i want to say is, it couldn't have surprised you do that much given your reporting over the last few years? >> it's funny, i saw some people right in the media trying to make a conspiracy out of the vital people said that they saw this coming. you would have to be in a coma to not see this coming at some point in the last few years. it's almost as though rudy giuliani has been attempting to tempt investigation to do something like this. it's like has been trying to get himself into legal trouble. it is not surprising at all, it's something that we have been aware of as you just discussed. we knew that there was reporting that suggested that
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there was a serious investigation that involve not only rudy but all sorts of different people that he was associated with, in business. and we saw how it affected the government. the last -- i'm sorry the first impeachment related directly to what really was doing out in the open, and ukraine. what investigators are looking at, apparently, right now. when you talk to people who know rudy and who thought highly of him, previously, who really believed in the mid of american despair, they really talked about what they have become over the last few years as a great tragedy. they thought that he would protect his legacy, that he would go out as a statesman, treating on all the goodwill that he had built, at least among republicans and stern types of americans throughout his political career. and you've just watched him squander it.
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and in service of what? i don't think that there has been a compelling explanation -- and rudy has not provided one himself, and certainly not in my conversations with him. but why he has been doing what he has been doing to stay close to donald trump, and in the news and stay relevant for these last several years. so maybe this investigation provides some answers to that, maybe it's money, we don't know. but it is stunning to watch someone just spin out of control, in public like this. and as you said, find himself at every low moment in the strangest places, in a ball right movie, forcing -- >> yes. >> in ukraine, at the mark hotel. he is everywhere ruining everything. and i keep thinking back about the reporting i did at the end of the last campaign, talking to senior officials in the trump campaign who told me that controlling rudy and keeping
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tabs on him and making sure that he's busy became his full-time job. and that is just fascinating to me, and you can't say the people in the trump campaign or that is going to go better, but it offers some explanation in part to what went wrong. >> spencer ackerman who grew up in new york was tweeting today that he wants to go back today and say that rudy giuliani just got raided by the feds. and i had the same. olivia nuzzi and josh gerstein, stick with me, the impeachment manager will react to the fbi raided rudy giuliani as well as the joint address, it will come right your way, after this. ay, after this febreze car vent clips stop hot car stench with up to 30 days of freshness. get relief with febreze.
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you didn't know you were waiting for. let's get it... together. so we can be together. let's get to immunity. >> it has been reported that now's your moment to get vaccinated. president trump does not pay rudy giuliani. his personal attorney for his services. can you explain who has paid for rudy giuliani's legal fees, international travel and other expenses in his capacity as president trump's attorney and representative? >> the short answer to the question is -- i don't know who is paying rudy giuliani's fees. and if he is not being paid by the president to conduct this domestic political errand, for which he has devoted so much time, if other clients are paying and subsidizing his work
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in that respect it, raises profound questions. questions that we can answer at this point. >> we never got an answer to that. the question of who pays rudy giuliani. the question that congressman adam schiff posed that he didn't have an answer to, as the lead house impeachment manager, little more than a year. go little more than a year ago. my lord. that question, today, has a new meaning, after the fbi raided giuliani's home and office, as part of a criminal investigation into specifically, whether he acted as an unregistered foreign agent, while serving as former president donald trump's attorney. california congressman donald schiff who led the first impeachment prosecution of donald trump joins me now. that moment left -- leapt into our heads here on the show. when we saw the news today. and i wonder if it left into yours? >> actually the moment that leapt into my head was, a made a point to bring up some of the presidents defense and said
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that the president picked rudy giuliani over fbi director christopher wray. and why would anybody in the right mind do that? and it was because christopher wray could only offer the truth and what was necessary to protect the country. and rudy giuliani could offer something that would help the president personally and politically, and that's all that matters to donald trump. so that's why i was thinking. i completely forgot the question that you just. played >> we never got an answer to. it and indeed, it seems that the investigation from what we can glean from the warrant, is the degree to which is -- the president of the united states personal attorney was undertaking work on behalf, possibly, of a foreign agent that he had not declared. >> i think based on what we were seeing during the investigation, giuliani was pursuing a couple things. he was pursuing this political errand for the president, to try to dig up dirt on the
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bidens, and help the president's reelection. as well as push out this kremlin narrative that it was russia that intervened in 2016, it was ukraine. and ukraine was trying to help hillary. but at the same time, he was trying to make money. he was trying to do business. and somebody had to be paying for that. and some of what he was doing was in the interest of ukrainian politicians like this corrupt prosecutor lutsenko. and it is raise profound questions about whether he was violating the registration, requirements, but that was an hour charger. that was the charter of the justice department. >> what does today say about the justice department? politically given the reporting we have that folks at the fbi and at the ground level of prosecutors in u.s. attorney's office were, trying to pursue this and getting blocked by senior officials, presumably political appointees of the president. >> i think what it says is that we have come a long way,
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thankfully, from bill barr's justice department. where they made decisions about who should be investigated based on the presidents political desires. who should have their cases dismissed, like mike flynn, based on what the president wanted. who should get a lesser sentence, like roger stone, based on what the proud incident wanted. to merrick garland's justice department, where the law will be treating everyone equally. were there will be a rule of law again. with a political process that is kept out of the decision-making. i think that's what this represents. and it couldn't be a better change for the department. >> if there's a real direct connection between that first impeachment trial, the news today about rudy giuliani and the speech tonight. which is that, donald trump saw from the beginning, joe biden as his biggest political threat. it was very. clear he was specifically the person he wanted to lose. he wanted to be. him and he wanted to find a way to use whatever means at his disposal, to sully and tar him.
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and to politically damage. him and if he had to use the government to do it, he was going to do it. and i'm curious what you thought of the new president speech tonight? and what it reflects about donald trump's political instincts, in that regard? >> i think his instincts were very good. because joe biden obviously was a very formidable opponent in the election. but joe biden also show today just why a capable president he is. people have made a lot of comparisons of joe biden with franklin roosevelt, because of the sweep of what he wants to do to lift people out of poverty, put people back to work. but i found myself thinking of harry truman, listening to him tonight. just a very plain spoken manner. his appeal to working americans. was i think really quite beautiful and powerful and resident. and i have to say, looking -- i was in the gallery looking down at some of my gop colleagues from the gallery, i thought, i would hate to be in their shoes. to tell my constituents why i
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wasn't for paid family or medical leave. why i was out for trying to send them a 1400 dollar check. why i was in for trying to provide college education free to their kids. i wouldn't want to be defending any of those positions against what the president is offering the country. i can see why trump feared him for good reason. and joe biden is proving to be a very good communicator. >> congressman adam schiff. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> much more to get to tonight from president biden's first joint address to congress. from vaccines, to police reform. we'll talk about the most memorable moments right after this.
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century. the worst economic crisis since the great depression. the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war.
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now, after just 100 days, i can report to the nation, america is on the move again. >> joe biden waited longer than most presidents to deliver his showing to dress the congress. on the eve of the 100th day in office, biden was able to celebrate what he has done so far. 220 million shots in arms, 1400 dollar checks in pockets, 1.3 million new jobs, and in a call on me predicted to grow by more than 6% this year. not granted, some of this has just been the good luck of time, and a lot of presidents face that, they can get lucky or unlucky. but your hard-pressed to find another president who can credibly say that they delivered so quickly on what they promised as a candidate. joining me now is a christina
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greer, but elaina plott and sahil kapur national political reporter for nbc news. christina, let me start with you. the tangible -- i mean, it's very rare to inherit and the administration like a mass vaccination, that is so quantifiable. did you vaccinate enough people? that was the key challenge they had, he was able to come before the nation tonight and say we've doubled with the goal was. >> yeah. joe biden is really articulating a few accomplishments but keep in mind, chris, he knows that he has one year left of unified government and people start campaigning. and then the 2022 midterms come and there's a real chance that he could lose the house or the senate, or both. and he saw that when he was vice president under barack
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obama. so it is not just the vaccinations, is it also about jobs and pushing forward and agenda on climate change. it's also about trying to get the legislation passed, whether it's voting rights or civil rights. he knows that the clock is ticking. but as you said, the shadow vaccinations and the tangible acts of getting it done has been a coordination effort and largely because we have a president who believes in science. >> but elaina, i'm really fascinated by how limp and wrong-footed republicans seem on the central, core questions on economy right now. that was a time where they would be licking their chops to go after this kind of thing, and of course they'll go up there and say, they're gonna raise your taxes, freedom, your family -- tim scott did that. but that's not where the blood is being flushed. it's dr. seuss, and it's critical theory being thought in school, and it's voting stock of, and you can see it in
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tim scott's speech. do you see it that way in your reporting? >> yeah, absolutely, chris. when you go to state party rallies across the country, whether it's in texas or michigan, or arizona, even, nobody brings up the economy anymore. you'll remember chris, we talked when i was at cpac and at the time congress was debating this covid relief package, and it was not brought up in any speech that i listen to. so it is not at all surprising that somebody like tim scott is going to skate over that pretty quickly. he even sent out an email before his speech, the very first line chris was a reference to have republicans cannot seem to cancel culture, that is the heart of what is animating the culture right now. >> they wanna spend four trillion dollars to institute a social democracy, but sahil, i
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think that is partly because they have pick their fights on favorable grounds. when you look at the polling, the stuff is polling well. this is dynamic, it will be defined partly by the opposition, they'll sink their teeth into it. but they are choosing to fight from the high ground in terms of popularity on a bunch of this stuff. >> and chris, that is partly because the political realignment that we have seen in the republican coalition is less suburban, it's less affluent. it's more white, blue collar workers, particularly enroll areas that could use the help economically. especially the 1400 in catch benefits. what i was probably the most struck by from the president's speech is how he almost directly's spoke to trump voters, he spoke about
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forgotten republicans, people who felt left behind by an economy that was moving too fast. you mentioned that most of his jobs would be for people that did not have college degrees. he was essentially saying that trump had all these answers, but he let you down economically, that didn't work and trump gave all the money to the rich and that his plan is to build the economy from the ground up. he knows what -- it's probably not good for democrats at the moment, they're trying to win the middle of the country and appeal to voters, but he knows that it has a lot of potential with the republican. >> there's also question about what you see in which you emphasize, the first part was all that part, but that was not the whole speech. and there was some really important sanctions on police reform and trans quality, and i
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injustice on the neck of americans, now is the chance to make some real progress. the vast majority of men and women wearing a uniform serve our communities and serve honorably. >> that moment there, after he said that there was an extended applause. in fact a standing ovation including maxine waters, and i thought that was a fascinating moment. still with us is gerstein christina, -- you could see him doing some needle threading on this question, what was your reaction to? >> i thought the section was interesting, obviously i would
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like to have much more time dedicated to it, but i thought that the way he wove in -- first of all, he said white supremacy is terrorism, then he walked into george floyd, talking about the george floyd justice act and then he transitioned into asian american protections, equity for lgbtq plus americans and then protection and gun violence. it all came together in a 21st century civil rights package that he is putting together an asking congress to pass legislation so that he could sign it. but when i think is fascinating, we have to remember that there are thousands upon thousands of black americans who are in police departments across the country, their family members are police officers and military personnel, there are many -- 90% of black americans are conservatives. many black individuals choose
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democratic party. the diversity of blacks in the democratic party is vast. and the conversation is vast within the black community, so it is not surprising the standing ovation and also the intricate articulation of the george floyd act but also praising police departments across the country and understanding how that fits into a larger narrative. >> i think that is really on the money about the complexities here, and the -- and also think tim scott is the person to give the response, he is a lead negotiator on a justice and policing compromise, he is going to be meeting with george floyd's family believe tomorrow. it says something about the republican's perception of the politics of this moment that that was the choice the party
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made. >> it's a good point. i think what republicans are running into and what they hope tim scotts would preempt is that totally, after the trump era, republicans are really just best calibrated, or feel they are best calibrated to respond to the supposed resistance caricature that they may say, alexandria ocasio-cortez to be, and joe biden real strength in his speech tonight was that he delivered what was really the most progressive address, i would say in a joint session, maybe since lbj, i would go so far as to say that. and yet he packages it, totally, and such a way that he doesn't give republicans a lot to latch on to. it is very difficult, even for republicans to villain eyes kind of what he was saying
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about police reform, which theoretically should be the issue that should light the biggest fire under them. joe biden's brilliance in some ways that he is kind of boring. it's not going to excite a great many people. >> i will say one more thing on that, it's not just that he is boring, i think, he is a white man in a country that mostly elects white men as presidents, and the skeleton key to american politics. all of american politics at a certain level is contained in both in ways that the biden folks are leaning into. >> chris, i've been thinking more and more about this, president obama had this knack for making moderate programs like the affordable care sound amazing, he makes multi
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trillion liberal policy sound moderate and middle of the roaches by the way he talks about it. and i think that's a big part about where he's going with it. i found a major distinction. he has a path [inaudible] because there's no filibuster on that, but there is a filibuster on police and gun control. i think that's why he was a bit more conciliatory. >> thank you all for staying up and making time, that does it for tonight, i will be back at 8 pm eastern, jonathan kaye part picks up our coverage on msnbc next.
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