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you wanna help? donate a ride today. hello, and welcome to msnbc's continuing coverage. i'm jonathan kaye part. tonight, president biden delivered his historic first address to congress, with the historic iconic image of the first woman of color vice president, standing next to the first woman speaker of the house behind him on the eve of his 100th day in office. before the speech, the justice department took extraordinary action against the trump allies at the center of the uk and scream -- scream to shut down on wednesday. the executed search warrant of donald trump's former lawyer
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rudy giuliani. that led to donald trump being impeached for the first time. fbi agents used cellphones and computers from giuliani. the new york times reports investigators are in part, looking for communications between giuliani and ukrainian officials who helped him collect information about joe biden. quote, federal authorities have largely focused on whether mr. giuliani illegally lobbied the trump administration in 2019 on behalf of ukrainian officials and all the guards who were helping mr. giuliani's dirt digging cam cain. at the time, mr. biden was a leading contender for the democratic nomination. giuliani denied any wrongdoing. the new york times quotes, the execution of search warrants is an extraordinary action for prosecutors to take against their lawyer, let alone a lawyer for a former president. joining us now, harry lippman,
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former u.s. -- and attorney general assistant. thank you for being here, harry. you are a great person to talk to about this. why was this search warrant so extraordinary? >> as you just said, it's already a special requirement to have a search warrant against an eternity. let alone the former u.s. attorney, the mayor of new york. the import of eight speaking extraordinary, jonathan, is that itch surely, surely went all the way up through the department, including the noor lee -- released a demonical, and quite likely the new york general himself. that means they were being a very, very sure. of course, it's a warrant, meaning after those approvals, they went to a judge, a neutral magistrate and said we think there is probable cause, and -- evidence of a crime here, the judge agreed. the magnitude of the action matches the magnitude of his
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personality, and history. it also gives an extra measure of assurance, that they were playing it by the book. >> speaking of magnitude, the new york times in the opposite direction -- the new york times is reporting that the u.s. office tierney had sought for months, doj approval to request that giuliani get warns. talk about the impact, or the import of justice department blocking those search warrants. this was under than president trump's justice department under bill barr. >> that's right. the most important fact about it is that the lies and claims you hear tonight from andrew giuliani that this is very politicized. and there is an argument for why they did. it they said maybe it would interview with an election. that strikes me abs specious, but you understand the point they were trying to apply.
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the bigger thing, as you know, they had the goods on him. at least the same goods they have now for many months and wanted to move forward and it wasn't faber that stopped, but the high officials in doj that stop them. that means, this is not some new kind of political reprisal. >> one more question, harry. now that the search warrants have been executed, one of the next steps? what should we expect? >> it depends how much and how quickly it will expand. we can take from the warns that they have probable cause to believe a violation of federal. it means that he lied, but he was only working for the president and he was really taking money. that's the situation the law makes clear. rudy giuliani is no charitable case. remember, he's the one that won in $20,000 a day to represent trump. several hundred thousand other cases. if he did that at all with any real maniac in places and people that he was trying to
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shake dirt lose from, he would be guilty of ferrell. also, his associates harness in fruman were indicted. that means, we might be looking the same thing for them. campaign violence -- and possible obstruction of justice. they went over victoria tensing who is involved in the january 6th sort of, big lie. the short answer jonathan ayes, how quickly it expands in his uncertain from there. that's what will also drive the pace of any indictment. >> we will have to leave it there. harry lippman, thank you. >> thank you. >> joining us now, ben, rose former deputy national adviser to barack obama. he's also an msnbc political contributor. also joining, jonathan alter. a columnist for the daily. news and it also an nbc political correspondent. >> and --
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>> when i'm struck by, is the fact that clearly the justice department wanted to do this for sometime. they were obstructed by the attorney general of the united states, bill barr, under donald trump. as soon as garland got confirmed, was confirmed as deputy, general this is moving forward. clearly there is not just smoke, there is fire. this was signed off on my magistrate as we said. it suggests to me that we are at the beginning of the justice department now being allowed to pull all the strengths. if you look at rudy giuliani, who look at his conduct, you look at the corruption that was kind of hiding in plain sight here. something tells me, this is the beginning of a much longer story of the network to uncover just with the characters that were involved with the american foreign policy, the corruption in the presidency, and the actions of someone like
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giuliani, who until january 20th, thought he could act with total impunity. well, he can't. >> jonathan, let's talk about the continued bends line of corruption here. i was thinking corruption of the justice department. the idea that prosecutors, career folks, and doj, in sdny, who are pushing to get these warrants when it was bill barr's justice department being blocked. talk more about why the american people should be concerned about that aspect of this story? >> jonathan, we had this criminal enterprise at the top of our government under president trump. it is now being exposed, or at the beginning of that process. the ultimate question, whether this leads to trump himself. you can see a situation where giuliani, the trial, which will
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be fascinating to watch, and takes place, the likely heard of that is increasing dramatically tonight. that is a prelude to a trial of donald trump. the irony here, in the same way that trump has so often been guilty of projection, you know, accusing others of what he himself and his circle are doing, remember, trump talked and thusly about the democrats, and trying to rig the election. steal the election. if you actually look at what happened in this ukrainian situation, go back to the testimony in the first impeachment trial, and when we are gonna learn now, with this new investigation, it's pretty clear on its face that this was an effort by rudy giuliani, donald trump, and others, to rig the 2020 election in favor of trump. remember, earlier tonight,
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president biden talked about him busting russia on its intervention in the 2020 election. so, the government already has a lot of evidence that that took place. we are gonna see the connection between giuliani and trump, and that russian effort to return on the election over the next weeks and months. >> then, i wanna show you both, but then, this is for you. back on september 8th, 2020, i interviewed rudy giuliani in the middle of the presidential campaign, and a couple of days before, the treasury department sanction one of the people he had been in contact with. a ukrainian member of parliament by the name of andres your cash. have a listen to the question i asked him about who was paying him. watch this. >> have you ever paid or
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facilitated payments to derkach for any information or vice versa. >> no. i don't pay people for information, john. >> okay. >> he was a russian agent. >> how could you not know, how can you not know mayor giuliani? >> how could i not know? >> you are the former mayor of new york, national security form. how can you not know that this person you were talking to was a known russian agent who graduated from cambridge school? >> jonathan, calm down. >> answer the question. >> if you notice, he never answered the question. the question was, were you paying derkach for information? then, you are the deeper national security investigator. did anything giuliani said rang true in hindsight? >> if you follow this at all, you follow the situation ukraine at all, what you know is there is all kinds of money
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washing through the country. the russians operating ukraine are cut out new agents,, assets ukrainian oligarchy. people trying to enlist the support of rudy giuliani to funnel disinformation into american politics, and take care of russian and trust in -- and to maintain the position ukraine. this is well-known jonathan, to anybody, who is lived in the ukraine -- ukraine for the last couple of decades. the reason why, there are so many reasons why this is alarming what giuliani was up to by going around ukraine and trying to get dirt on hunter biden, trying to get the ukrainian government to affect its own domestic policies -- for china -- president trump. that was alarming because of the corruption of our presidential election. also jonathan, because the kind of people that he was associated himself with, the
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kind of people he may have committed violations on, are the people who work for the russian intelligence agencies. this is an even bigger story than mr. trump and giuliani, this is hell russia was pulling strings and making use of people like giuliani, either because they were unwitting of it, but more likely, they were looking the other way, willing to go along with the interests of the adversary of the united states here. so, this again, if you look at these people, they are not political people. these are career tight people. the reason this has to move forward, is not because of any political interest of joe biden, it's in the national security interest of the united states in the interests of the integrity of the world law, and we figured out what was going on here, precisely because these are the kind of characters that are utilized by the russian -- to affect what's going on here in -- we have to take knowledge of.
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it >> prosecuting those people who stormed the u.s. capital on january six. now that we have attorney general garland, deputy -- monaco, do you think the efforts that we are seeing against giuliani, and pushing against interference in the 2020 election, does that send a single -- sing good knoll to those folks that up in the insurrection that there will be consequences for what they did in terms of interfering with the 2020 election? >> jonathan, i'm not even sure they need that signal. the justice department has been very aggressive in these weeks, and bringing those insurrectionists to justice. you saw some video tape that came out today and it relates to the death of rind sicknick. you are gonna see a lot more coming out. the wheels of justice are just
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becoming -- beginning to turn. all of this is part of restoring confidence in the rule of law. restoring confidence for democratic system. we barely dodged a bullet on january 6th, and we have a lot of repair work to do in this country. not just healing our country, but cleansing at. this is what an honest justice department has to do, even if republicans shout, as andrew giuliani did tonight, that this is being politicized, that just has to be frankly ignored. we have to move along to reassert the rule of law. >> jonathan altair, ben rhodes, thank you very much for being here. on the eve of his 100th day in office, president biden delivered his very first address to a joint session of
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president -- [applause] no president has ever said those words, from this podium. nope president has ever said those words, and it's about time. >> not only is it about time,
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but long overdue. president joe biden delivered his first address to a joint session of congress just one day shy of his 100th day in office. he opened with a nod to the historic moment of two women occupying the seats behind him. one standout moment of many. while biden gave a very calm and somewhat normal speech compared to his predecessor, other than that, not much about the occasion was typical. the chamber built to hold 1600 people held only a socially distant 200 on wednesday as capacity was live -- -limited due to covid. this is also the first presidential event since the deadly insurrection on january 6th, somewhat triggering no doubt for a few lawmakers. in the hour and five minute speech, biden touched on a wide range of topics. he and his administration plan to restore and rebuild this country and it's time of need.
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>> we have stared into the abyss of insurrection and autocracy. pandemic in pain. we the people did not flinch. at the very moment, our adversaries were certain we would pull apart and fail. we came together, we united. it has never, ever, ever been a good bet to bet against americans, and it still isn't. for you the united states of america, there is not a single thing, nothing, nothing beyond our capacity. we can do whatever we set our minds to if we do it together. >> joining me now is tie rub palmieri, and fernando monte, democratic pollster and an msnbc political analyst. thank you both for being here, i will start with you tara and go to you for nantes with the same question. that is this. your reaction, how did president biden go with his first speech to congress? >> >> oh.
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>> tehran, i can't hear you. i will go to fernand, then i will go back to you. fernand, your reaction to the president's speech? >> it struck me one, how confident and comfortable joe biden was. normally when we think their first presidential joint session to congress, speech there might be a little bit of sense of wonderment, off, maybe even some butterflies. joe biden was completely comfortable in the skin, and really what's turnout to me, was the ambitious almost transformational nature of what he talked about. obviously had a lot of policy ground to cover, given what he inherited and was really turned over by his predecessor. when you look at what he's trying to get that, a transformational road to america, rebuilding restoring america, there has been a lot
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of stress speak about who and what was the model, and joe biden himself gave the game away, john. in the remarks, he cited one president by name. it was franklin delano roosevelt. i think that is very much the man in the model that biden's going. for very quick and active legislation to set a tone, set of momentum for the country. i thought he laid that out very well tonight in those hours and change for his four joint session speech. >> tara, we have got you back. your reaction to the president's speech. >> i felt like the president was really making the pitch to main street americans to let them know, this is where that six trillion dollars is going to go. it's going to go into your pockets. we are going to be taxing the rich, corporations, and really trying to assure americans like trust in government. we have just gone through this
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huge coronavirus crisis with the help of government, and we are going to take it even further. and, sort of just getting people used to the idea big government, and what is possible and how it can be transformational. so, i felt like it was really talking to every day, means treat americans to saying, don't be afraid of government. we have gone to us -- this. there is bigger things than that. >> tara, i want to stick with you for a moment and have you respond to something that fernand said in his answer which i also agree with. he said the president was confident and comfortable in his own skin, which i agree with. i would also add that we had a democratic president who would also not be afraid to speak as a democratic president who recognize that there was systemic racism, who recognize that the country needed healing when it came to race. he was not running away from these issues. he walked headlong into them. do you think this is a sign
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that he is confident and comfortable in the message he delivered on those issues that will resonate with the country? >> yeah, absolutely. it's also the messenger. he is an older white man who speaks like a generation of people, and a group of voters who really took to donald trump. he is really speaking in a very plain spoken way about, you know, who he is, how he is looking out for the little guy, or just everyday people. i think the messenger, showing that he wants to be progressive but, he looks like an older white man. >> yeah, because he is. >> you know, it doesn't necessarily jive together, but it definitely shows that, you know, this is what he's about. he is not the centrist biden that you necessarily thought he was that was going to take the safe and easy road as being a stable hand, has many people
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thought. he is actually uses presidency to be transformational. >> and fernand, last question to you. that is the republicans. >> tell me, what do you think? i think the republicans made a mistake by not coming back to washington and filling the number of seats they could have filled in the chamber tonight to at least respond to some of the things the president was saying. they gave the president an open field to say all those things without any sort of public rebuke. >> jonathan, i couldn't agree more. watching the speech tonight, i remember the days and bell -- when bill clinton was president and nuke gringo said we're never gonna beat this guy. i remember tonight joe biden was in full --
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mode. they said don't underestimate an older american president who is there to reassure, really engage and divide partisan unity speech. republicans would probably have liked if he went more tribal, and he took that away from them. that's why i think i'm seeing joe biden now, how are we gonna beat this guy in shades of what gingrich once said about clinton? they've got a great opponent in a president. >> fernando, tara. thank you very much. we appreciate your time. >> still ahead, joe biden and his department of justice are putting a major emphasis on police reform. how the biden administration plans to take the lead on one of the most pressing issues facing the country. that's next. ountry that's next. because there are options. like an “unjection.” xeljanz. the first and only pill of its kind that treats moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis,
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to rebuild trust between law enforcement and people they serve. to root out systemic racism in our criminal justice system. and to enact police reform in george floyd's name. that passed the house already. i know republicans have their own ideas and are engaged in a very productive discussions with democrats in the senate. we need to work together to find a consensus. but let's get it done next month, by the first anniversary of george floyd's death.
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[applause] >> president biden announce today an ambitious date for passing the george floyd justice in policing act, may 25th, the anniversary of george floyd's death. but until then, the justice department is exerting its power in some high-profile killings of black americans. today, three white men charged with murdering ahmaud arbery were also indicted on hate crime undetected kidnapping charges. also yesterday, the fbi opened ace federal civil rights investigation into the police killing of andrew brown jr. in north carolina. even as a judge today denied the release of the body camera footage to the public. joining us now is cedric alexander, former police chief of cobbe county georgia, and member of president obama's task for on policing. he's also a law enforcement analyst for msnbc. cedric, thank you very much for being here, tonight, or early
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this morning. depending on where you are. you watched senator tim scott's response to president biden's speech, right? >> yes i did. i had an opportunity to see it. >> were you surprised that senator scott did not go into any detail whatsoever about what he was doing, and the ideas he had, for getting the george floyd justice in policing act from negotiation to a bill, to a bill that could be voted on? >> absolutely, jonathan. in fact, i found it very surprising that he did not bring the bill up very specifically. being that on his side of the house, on the senate side, he is the primary author and supposed to be working with the democrats on this bill. but when you listen to his speech tonight it's very much a
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can speech. not much of the substance of the issue of police reform in this country and what he's proposing. and even the some of the things he is proposing, from what i've heard and read, have been sound. but there's some things as well in which i think they're trying to water down. and we're at a very pro-but two peculiar place in this country right now. where we don't need a watered down bill on police reform. we really need one that is gonna be solid and effect change in this country. >> on the issue of qualified immunity, which is probably the biggest sticking point when it comes to democrats or republicans, and senator scott floated the idea of reforming it so that people could sue police departments and not police officers individually. you are a former chief of police. is that a worthwhile compromise
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to your mind? >> i think that's a very tough discussion that they're going to really have to sit down and talk more about. because when you start quality talking qualified immunity, it is certainly a sticking point for the republicans in this particular case. but i think is going to require further conversation. because here's the thing, if you say you're not going to sue the police officers, but you're going to sue the police department, the police department is funded by the city. who we know that across this country has been paying out millions of dollars -- you take chicago for example, have paid off almost half a billion dollars or more, within the last ten years. so we're going to have to find a way to address this issue. not so much for the good officers, but for those officers we know who are very egregious. who have committed criminal acts. and it may end up being terminated, or charged, or
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whatever. but they leave that city, that community, taxed with this huge civil suit. and it's really not fair to the community. and it's not fair to the other agencies that he or she may work for. so it's a sticking point, and one in which i think they're going to have to really spend some time around. because something think very different needs to happen. there is no question about. that fferent need>> chief frederik a, thank you so much. coming up. i'll speak with a member of congress who was inside the chamber during president biden's speech. congresswoman barbara le joins me life. also, make sure to listen to the newest episode of the into america podcast. and this nbc's tremaine lee looks back at the first 100 days of joe biden's presidency. episode 1:12 drops at 5 am eastern. subscribe or follow now wherever you get your podcasts.
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on the neck of black americans. now is our opportunity to make some real progress. the country supports this reform and congress should act. we have a giant opportunity to bend the arc of the universe towards real justice. and with the plans outlined tonight, we have a real chance to root out systemic racism that plagues america. an american lives in other ways. a chance to deliver real equity. >> joining me now is democratic congresswoman barbara lee of california. she was in the chamber tonight for the president's speech. and right there, you saw she had a conversation with the president after the speech on his way out. congresswoman lee, thank you very much for being here. >> hello, jonathan. glad to be with you this morning or this evening. >> all right, congresswoman
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lee. what should we talk about. >> well, first of all. i had to let him know how much i appreciated his speech. and we talked about several things. but one issue i want to raise that i think is so important and that is that the president talked about poverty. and lifting people out of poverty. for so long here in washington d.c., using the p-word with something that just did not exist. and they share the task force on prague -- poverty an opportunity. making the tax credit permanent. right now, half of children live below the poverty line will be lifted out of poverty. poverty and eliminating poverty is a big issue for me. and i thanked him for that as part of our conversation. for talking about it and really working on those issues. >> another issue i know is important to you is civil rights. and i'm wondering, your reaction to the president of the united states not running away from race.
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not running away from the problem of white supremacy. but leaning into it. your reaction to president biden leaning in on those issues? >> president biden absolutely is telling the truth, first of all. and he actually said white supremacy is terrorism. he's talked about structural racism and really moving forward to provide for racial equity. racial justice and a whole government approach. and so to have a president really come head on into it, to raises discussions, to educate the public. and more importantly, to work on policies in his agenda, for me, after so many years of fighting for civil and human rights, to have a president talk about it. use the word structural racism and white supremacy -- this is transformative, i think, for not only the white house. in terms of setting a new standard for presidents, but
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also for the country. to hear the truth being told by the president of the united states. on so many issues that have been impacted the african american community and communities of color. from black people, for the last 401 years in america. >> the president laid out his plans for the american jobs plan, the americans family plan, he touted the success of the american rescue plan. your republican colleagues are now complaining -- not complaining. but expressing concern over the trillion dollars and up price tags. what's your argument to them for why spending that money, which is a whole lot of money, why spending that money is vital? >> well they didn't raise concerns when they passed the trillion dollars in tax cuts for the very wealthy. they didn't complain when they give corporations a pass, where most of them, many of them
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don't have to plea taxes. they didn't complain of course, when they moved forward on so many issues that really just impacted and made the millionaires and billionaires wealthier. and did not raise the minimum wage for low wage workers, and working men and winning. so they don't complain when it comes to very wealthy corporations taking jobs offshore. they didn't complain about giving tax breaks for not -- for letting companies go offshore, rather than hiring americans and coming back to america. so they don't complain for that. but they complain about is unfortunately, paying child care workers a living wage. paying home care workers and caregivers a living wage. they don't seem to care about those people who take care of their families also. so i don't understand quite what their value system is. but believe you me, i know the president, and i know our speaker, all of us are trying to work with them to pass these
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bills in a bipartisan way. because we are working for the people. and we are their constituents also. >> democratic congresswoman barbara lee of the great state of california. thank you very much for coming on. what's next for joe biden? a visit to georgia. that's next. [doorbell rings] thanks, baby. yeah, we 'bout to get spicy for this virtual date. spicy like them pajama pants. hey, the camera is staying up here. this is not the second date. you may have many reasons for waiting to go to your doctor right now. but if you're experiencing leg pain, swelling, or redness, don't wait to see your doctor. these could be symptoms of deep vein thrombosis, a blood clot which could travel to your lungs
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100th day of his presidency in georgia. he'll visit with former president jimmy carter and hold a rally in the atlanta area. the troop will be his second trip to atlanta as president, proof of how key georgia is to his agenda, which only has a shot of becoming law because of the election of georgia democratic senators. joining me now, eugene daniels, white house correspondent for call political, coauthor of the political playbook, msnbc
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analyst and the owner of the best afrin time. eugene, thank you for being here, serious question here. there's a strategy here behind the presidents now frequent visits to georgia is in there? >> absolutely. this is sent vote white house that we have seen, this is the white house that is calculating and nothing is done on accident. and after four years of the president doing whatever he wanted to do, this is a prestige that is planning for the future. so they know that going to georgia is a clear acknowledgment that he and the administration know that this is how much he owes to the state. he owes them not just his presidency, basically, but also making his drop a lot easier. he's able to pass things through reconciliation because he has to senators through a
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typically red state. and we're gonna continue to see this -- also something that i need to say, some obama alums who are in constant contact with this administration, they say that there is a risk when new have presidents that are trying to sell things. he's gonna talk about the infrastructure bill, because americans they like bipartisanship, they don't like the sausage making, they don't like to know the back and forth between republicans and democrats especially right now. so i think that they're making that a calculated risk knowing that they'll throw biden out for a little bit, but then bring him back to the white house and focus on negotiations. >> and one other thing, raphael warnock has to run again for election, for a full term in 2022, so that is also helpful. eugene from political, thank you very much. republicans continue to block at the numerous policy plans that the president has been pulling forward, but his ideas are popular and actually have
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can't be the reason you don't get it. you wanna help? donate a ride today. >> american families plan will provide access to quality, affordable childcare. [applause] and i'm proposing legislation to guarantee that low and middle income families will pay no more than 7% of their income for high quality care for children up to the age of five. the most hard-pressed, working families will, will have to spend a dime. >> and addition to the 2.3 trillion dollar jobs and infrastructure plan, which has bipartisan public support among voters, the biden administration has proposed a
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1.8 trillion dollar american families plan. aimed at expanding access to education, reducing the cost of childcare, and supporting women in the workforce. which is important, since women, and particularly women of color, propelled biden to big figure, and help to deliver the senate to democrats in georgia. joining me now, jess morales, executive director of cure inaction. and aisha mills, democratic strategist and primetime hosts at the mc. thank you both both for being here. jessica, i will start with you. explain to republicans who might be watching right now, why the american families plan, with its 1.8 trillion dollar price tag should be passed by the house in the senate, and get to the president's desk for signature? >> the urgency couldn't be more fierce in this moment. this is really a make-or-break moment for the country. covid-19 and pandemic have really highlighted how desperately we need bold action
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to supports american families and billionaire moderna connery. when we put money in people's pocket we make it more affordable for them to do basic things, like here for our kids and go to college. that will lead to long term economic progress for all families. and that couldn't be more important. and i don't think that's partisan. i think republicans agree. >> aisha, republicans agree -- this much we do know. the president himself is popular. his job approval rating is a very high, depending on which pull you look at. the political morning council poll, 60% approve of joe biden 's -- what he's doing in his job. but that isn't exactly mean that this legislation is going to make it out of the house in the form that it's in. and certainly not make it out of the senate. so what's the strategy? how can democrats and the president get it from legislation to law? >> jonathan, that is such an
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excellent question. because we have seen, year after year, i'd see even decade after decade. we saw this all through the obama era. where the public sentiment isn't always why the legislators are legislating around. and that's unfortunate. and i have to call it out because and the democrat of the bunch. and of all has been on the democratic side of the aisle in terms of my professional work. it is most of the republicans who buck public sentiment in order to thwart the person who is in power, it is not of their party. and the fact that everything distills down on capitol hill to partisan politics is really a disgrace and really frustrating for american families. so i don't know, honestly, what the strategy is for the biden administration, to get through the senate. i'm confident they're going to get all the things that they want through the house. but what happens when not only are you dealing with a very slim margin there, in terms of
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the vice president be able to break the tie in the senate. but then you have your own democrats we can't always rely on. who are on the other conservative slant. i don't know what he does. but i do know that all of this boils down to politics. so for everyone who is watching at home, know that it's really important that you contact your senators, to tell them what you want them to do. repeatedly. otherwise they're not going to pay attention. >> jess, i'm going to ask you the same question i just asked you a minute ago. and then turn your message to those democrats within the democratic caucus, particularly in the senate -- how do you convince them that the price tag, particularly for the american families plan, is one that is worth passing? roughly voting for? >> i think in particular when i talk to those frontline members. those people who are out in 2022, to see that here is an incredibly isn't just incredibly popular, it's also a way for us to reach out to
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persuasive voters. it's actually an issue that is persuasive. in 2016, in a trump district, we had a state candidate run just on care alone. on child care, an elder care. and they were able to run in that district as a democrat, even though trump to the district. incredibly polarized circumstances. we see that over and over again. care is popular and cure is bipartisan. so this is it a shoe that can actually appeal to the swing voter, because it's so clear to people that they can't afford care as it is. and that the growing need for care means we have to deal with the problems right now. we can't wait to take on this political issue. because it will become a bigger political issue. in 2022, 2024, it will be harder to solve. now is the time to really make sure that we deal with it. >> aisha, last question to you, real fast. let's see you have a meeting with senator manchin, or senator or -- one of the centrist democrats.
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how do you convince them to vote for the presidents plan? >> ultimately both of them, particularly manchin, both of them have people in their states who would benefit from this plan. if this plan is about working people of which they both represent. for me, fundamentally, it is really difficult to understand why all of the members wouldn't support working families, or just families in general. and i would talk to them about that and say, you don't vote for this, you're actually leaving your constituents behind. >> and with that we will leave it there. just morales, for keto. aisha's emails. thank you both very much for your time tonight, or this morning, depending on where you are. and that does it for this hour of msnbc's special coverage. thank you for watching. tune in for my msnbc program, the sunday show, which air sunday mornings at 10 am eastern. goes until noon.
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join us, it's a very good show. from washington d.c. on this early thursday morning. good night. >> good evening once again. day 99 of the biden administration on this eve of his 100th day in office. which arrives technically at the end of this hour. president biden delivered his first address to a joint session of congress. tonight looked much different than previous presidential addresses, in that huge house chamber. only 200 people were allowed to attend, instead of the 1600 people it was built for because of the pandemic, obviously. and for the first time in history, two women, vice president kamala harris, house speaker nancy pelosi, greeted and sat behind the president

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