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just one hour from now president joe biden nearing his 100th day in office will deliver his first address to a joint session of congress and he'll deliver that speech in the very chamber that was breached by pro trump insurrectionists. the same chamber where the mob overwhelmed police and forced lawmakers into hiding, just 112 days ago. on that day, january 6th, trump's former personal attorney, rudy giuliani, was inciting violence at a rally
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outside the white house just before all hell broke loose. >> so, over the next ten days we get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we're wrong, we will be made fools of, but if we're right, a lot of them will go to jail, so let's have trial by combat! >> wow. we bring up rudy giuliani because he abruptly became the lead story today. in a made for tv twist for a man who before he was the mayor of new york city was once the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. federal investigators in manhattan executed search warrants early this morning at giuliani's home and office. "the new york times" reports, it's part of their probe into whether he violated foreign lobbying laws by doing unregistered work in ukraine. according to our reporters,
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agents presented giuliani with a warrant and requested all electronic devices. giuliani turned over one cell phone, one ipad and one laptop and nothing else. the agents were at the apartment for approximately 45 minutes. you may not remember all the details of this investigation given that a lot has happened in the two years since this story emerged. as you may recall, one of the many scandals hovering over the trump administration was one involving ukraine and at the center of that controversy was rudy giuliani. back then giuliani was the personal/tv attorney for donald trump. not a lawyer for trump the president but for trump the person and yet he somehow became the point person for trump's pressure campaign to fabricate a scandal to pin on the biden family in ukraine. we would later learn that trump pressured ukraine's government to investigate biden's son, hunter, and use military aid as
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leverage which had the house launch an impeachment inquiry ending in trump's first impeachment trial. a witness said trump wanted nothing less than the ukrainian president to go to a microphone and say investigations, biden and clinton, words that would have damaged biden the same way that then fbi director james comey reviving the investigation into hillary clinton's emt mails cost her the campaign. the smear campaign against biden did not work and biden would be elected president only to choose an attorney general who might now be rudy's worst nightmare. according to "the new york times," during the trump administration senior political appointees in the justice department repeatedly sought to block such a warrant against giuliani, but after merrick garland was confirmed as president biden's attorney general, the justice department lifted its objection to the search. and joining me now is "new york times" washington correspondent
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michael schmidt and joyce vance. if you could clear up -- you have this information from your reporting, is this raid on giuliani, which we now also know that the fbi also raided one of rudy giuliani's associates, victoria toensing, she's a lawyer, a former federal prosecutor herself and a senior justice department, you'll remember his name who's also under indictment. she's got a lot mixed up in this, too. do you know if these -- the raid on giuliani and serving this warrant to ms. toensing, is this information that existed during the trump administration that was held back by william barr or is this the result of new information that's come forward? >> i don't think we have complete clarity into everything that the justice department has and knows about this issue.
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as the times has reported, as my colleagues have reported in the past, the justice department senior officials in washington had stopped prosecutors in new york from executing a search warrant at the end of last year. i don't think that it is a coincidence that we are seeing this happen now just a week after lisa monaco came in as deputy attorney general. she is going to be the person who oversees the day-to-day operations of the justice department. she's going to be the person who all these investigations run through and if you were merrick garland and trying to get your feet under you and the department under you, you would make sense that you would hold off on making some of these important controversial moves until you had a full deck and a fully stocked team. so i think that, you know, we've seen a lot of news out of the justice department in the past few days not just about rudy giuliani but about other matters. look, in the justice department you're not supposed to take actions around an election. in the aftermath of the election
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the election dragged on. not for legitimate reasons but it did drag on and rudy giuliani was at the center of it so there was a political mess there and i'm sure people would like for things -- for this country to move a lot faster. seeing it here in april of 2021 i guess that's where they are. >> you know, seeing it in april, not just any old day in april, joyce, on the very day that president biden, who's the finalization of whose election rudy giuliani sought to stop, the election he sought to stop, on the very day of the near 100 day marker and the speech before joint session of congress, is this -- do prosecutors -- am i wrong to read into it that they're sending some sort of message here by doing this raid today? or should we look at that as coincidental? >> i think it has to be entirely
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coincidental. if this was a movie, we would assume it was scripted. prosecutors don't care what's going on outside of their office. they don't time investigate gatetive actions to coincide with political ones. the thing that happens if you're a prosecutor and if you've got the evidence you need, the probable cause you need to get this search warrant, you want to go at the earliest possible moment because that search warrant isn't given to you with permission to execute it whenever you want to. you've literally got a very tight period of time. search warrants require what we call fresh information, that means information that there is evidence or fruits of a crime in the location you want to search and it's there now, not six months ago, not next week, now. so prosecutors are focused only on that goal of executing the search warrant within the constraints that the judge imposes on them. >> that's good. thank you for disabusing me of that notion. for those of you who have forgotten this. here's some impeachment
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witnesses talking and this is during the impeachment, talking about giuliani's role vis-a-vis ukraine. take a listen. >> secretary perry, ambassador volker and i worked with mr. rudy giuliani on ukraine matters at the express direction of the president of the united states. president trump directed us to, quote, talk with rudy. >> my recollection is ambassador sondland stated, dam mitt rudy, every time rudy gets involved he goes and fs everything up. >> what do you think he meant by his characterization of giuliani as a hand grenade. >> the investigations that he was promoting, the story line he was promoting, the narrative he was promoting was going to backfire. i think it has backfired. >> the he in that case is john bolton. i want to thank nicole wallace's team who put that mashup
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together. >> michael, can you give us a sense of what do we know about the contours? we know this is about foreign lobbying without perfect police. we presumed this is basically along the same lines of the impeachment, right? the contents of the first impeachment? >> and tied in with the case of lev parnas which came up several years ago. this is something that's been going on for a long time. the impeachment of trump was in -- it was the end of 2019, the beginning of 2020. it's hard to keep track, like i said, with the first impeachment and the second one and the such and the character. it's good to have a refresher. >> yes. >> this is an investigation that's been going on for a long time. it's looking at the questioning of foreign lobbying. giuliani's lawyer coming out and saying that, that was on the search warrant. saying they were also looking for communications with john solomon, a reporter who had done a lot of the ukraine reporting that helped push the narrative that giuliani was seeking.
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you know, this is a search warrant that encompasses a lot of thorny issues for the justice department. someone who calls himself a reporter, this is a lawyer in rudy giuliani. >> yeah. >> it's the president's lawyer. these are not easy questions and i could see why you would want, you know, someone like lisa monaco in that position before going forward with it. there are search warrants executed in the country every day. they're not executed at lawyer's offices or their homes and they're not done in regards to communications with reporters. >> two of donald trump's lawyers have been raided by police, both michael cohen and now rudy giuliani. just donald trump, you go through the rap sheet of people who have been a part of the trump team, his former campaign manager steve bannon, michael flynn, his national security advisor george papadopoulos, paul manafort who ran his campaign, rick gates, michael cohen. it is sort of a bevvy of all of
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these people connected to donald trump. it's extraordinary. you mentioned lev parnas. this is january 15th, 2020, about a month before the february 13, 2020, impeachment. take a listen. >> do you know if mr. giuliani was ever in contact with mr. barr specifically about the fact that he was trying to get ukraine to announce these investigations into joe biden? >> oh, absolutely. >> mr. barr knew about that? >> mr. barr had to have known everything. i mean, it's impossible. >> did rudy giuliani tell you he had spoken to the attorney general specifically about ukraine? >> not only rudy giuliani, victoria, joe, they were all best friends. barr was -- attorney general barr was basically on the team. >> so, okay, he mentions joe and victoria. that's the married couple, both lawyers. i'm going to play one more sound bite. this is donald trump denying any knowledge of what rudy giuliani
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was up to in ukraine, take a listen. >> mr. president, how much has giuliani shared with you about his recent trip to ukraine? >> not too much. but he's a very great crime fighter. he was probably the greatest crime fighter over the last 50 years. he was the best mayor in the history of the city of new york. he's a great person who loves our country and he does this out of love, believe me, he does it out of love. >> joyce vance, victoria toensing has said -- her lawyer has said she's not a target of the investigation. if you're making a witness list and this is your case, are you including joe digeneva, are you including william barr, are you including donald trump? >> it's a really interesting question, joy, because we don't know what the charges are yet. for instance, if you look at the parnas and furman indictment, they're charged with bad election contributions, straw donors and foreign donors. could this be part of that?
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is it part of giuliani's conduct in ukraine trying to dig up dirt on biden? it's not really clear what the full scope of this is yet. it feels it's sort of failure to register when you're representing a foreign country. some people could be witnesses. they could be suspects. they could even end up being targets of prosecution. it's premature to say at this point, but there's an awful lot of smoke around the president's foreign lawyer. >> lawyers, right? his whole team. this is pretty incredible. what a news day today. michael schmidt, thank you very much for being here. joyce vance, thank you so much. up next on "the reid out." that was the pre-big story. president biden is going to deliver his address to a joint session of congress. for the first time, the president will be flanked by two women leaders, vice president kamala harris and nancy pelosi. it's the first such address since that house chamber was defiled by the january 6th maga
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it doesn't happen often. everyday people taking on the corporate special interests. and winning. but now, the for the people act stands on the brink of becoming law. ensuring accurate elections. iron-clad ethics rules to crack down on political self-dealing. a ban on dark money.
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as his first 100 days come to a close, president joe biden is set to give a speech to joint members of congress. in just under 2 hours. it will serve the same function as a state of the union address. his career began at age 29. there are few if any people in modern politics who have sat through more of these speeches than joe biden has, first as a senator for 36 years and then as vice president for 8. he knows it's a big opportunity to not only highlight his accomplishments but to frame the debate over his agenda moving forward. according to excerpts released later today, biden will declare
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america is on the move again. he'll emphasize that we have to prove dem kra still works and can deliver for the people. biden will unveil his proposed american families plan which invests in school programs like universal pre-k and community college and child care and paid leave. this year the president's speech will look a little different. thanks to covid the audience in the chamber will be paired back to 200 people. that means fewer lawmakers. one supreme court justice in attendance. this is the first joint session of congress since the january 6th insurrection when a violent pro trump mob temporarily halted the count of electoral votes and forced members of congress to flee for their lives. that means joe biden will be addressing some of the very people who not only promoted the big lie but who voted with the mob to overturn his election.
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january 6th was the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war. there are two white men filling the seats for the speaker of the house and the vice president. it was nancy pelosi who broke the mold in 2007 when she became the first madam speaker. now with the election of kamala harris, this will be the first night in history where two women, including a woman of color, will be seated in the deus. i want to start where i ended there with you, yumish. it's kind of odd to me, i don't know if it is to you as a journalist that's covered the white house and covered multiple white houses, that the ascension of that back row that kamala
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harris and speaker pelosi who are seated there, never happened in history, a woman of color and a woman speaker, it happened without comment. >> that really is because so many people have been pushing to make this in some ways unremarkable, making it somewhat normal to see women in high powered positions, to see a woman as vice president and speaker of the house, nancy pelosi herself has been a trail blazer in the democratic party really putting a face to exactly what women can do. talking to people at the white house, talking to sources at the white house today, my understanding is president biden will be leaning into the historic nature of this address. it will also be talking about what you were just talking about, only 112 days ago a mob stormed into the building that i am now standing in trying to stop president biden from being president even though, of course, he was legitimately elected. this is also a moment where white house officials tell me
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he's going to be leaning in on the idea we have to restore faith to democracy, we have to be giving americans the tools to survive and thrive and part of that is also focusing on workers, specifically focusing on women workers. we know a number of them have dropped out of the work force during the pandemic. this isn't something he's going to focus on the two women standing behind him, what he's talking about in his speech goes straight to that. talking about racial injustice and all of those things are top of mind as he takes the podium with the two women in historic positions. >> it will be remarkable to see. michael, that is the thing that is different. i mean, i don't know how people have tried to minimize what happened on january 6th. i can't get it out of my mind. i'm sure you can't get it out of your mind as an historian, just as a human being. it strikes me not only will biden be there but what he's calling the worst attack on our country since the civil war, strong language, he'll be doing
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it in front of some of the insurrectionist supporters. ted cruz will be there, lauren boiverst, representative andy biggs. hey, he helped me do this. cindy hyde smith. roger marshall. rick scott. that, to me, is -- i don't know, what is it to you? >> i think it is strange and horrible and something we didn't even see at the time of the civil war because, you know, when abraham lincoln would send a message to congress, he wasn't sending it to jefferson davis and people like that who had served in congress because they fled. the south seceded and they were gone and the result was that lincoln at least when he sent messages to congress was sending messages to people by and large who wanted to see the nation survive. that's a little bit different. this was the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war. pearl harbor cost maybe 2400
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lives and 9/11, another terrible attack, 3,000, but in those cases our democracy was not in jeopardy. just as yumish was saying, think of the 6th of january. if those terrorists had been a little bit faster, they could have and probably would have executed the vice president, executed the speaker of the house, executed other members and leaders of congress, possibly started a hostage crisis, kidnapped the mahogany boxes in which there were ballots that were saying joe biden and kamala harris would be the next president and vice president. had that happened, i have no doubt they would have demanded that joe biden's inauguration be suspended and perhaps insisted that donald trump be reinaugurated as president as the price of ending this hostage crisis. >> just to make that point, let me play for you -- those who
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haven't seen the whole interview. commendations to my colleague don lemon. he interviewed michael fenone. this is part of the interview where he talked about what he experienced on january 6th as a capitol police officer. >> i experienced a group of individuals that were trying to kill me to accomplish, you know, their goal. i experienced the most brutal, savage hand-to-hand combat of my entire life. how we managed to make it out of that day without more significant loss of life is a miracle. >> these are people that senator ron johnson has described people he didn't fear at all. they were fine. donald trump said he loved them. i cannot get past that, michael. there will be capitol police officers stationed there as well, and they are -- it's an
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interesting thing that they're all going to have to reexperience together on this momentous night. >> that's exactly right. one nice thing about this evening, for joe biden to go in there and give a speech in a way that seems similar to the way that other presidents have all the way back to george washington sort of closes the circle of the danger to democracy is still there as joe biden is also going to say tonight. just as you were saying, joy, would like to see this union torn apart for plotting against our democracy. if joe biden fails as president, that might be more likely. >> and -- exactly. then there's if he succeeds as president, yumish. joe biden has given himself a very lengthy to do list. the things he's already gotten through. the recovery act was $1.9 trillion. huge. joining the paris climate accord, sanctions on russia, ending the war in afghanistan
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and bringing our troops home. that's a big deal. the things he wants to do. another $1.8 trillion in the american family plan. 2 trillion in the american family plan. george floyd justice act. covid-19 hate act. rolling back corporate taxes. things that poll really well. he's already accomplished the biggest thing which is start to beat back the pandemic which has killed more than half a million americans. how big is he going to go on the pressure that he will use this speech to try to put on those same republicans he has to deal with to get this agenda through? >> this speech and this big moment for president biden is going to be all about pushing congress, pushing lawmakers, the people standing right in front of him, sitting right in front of him to do something and to legislate. he's going to be talking about $6 trillion in spending if you take them altogether, there's the american rescue act which is focused on covid. the jobs plan which is really about jobs and infrastructure
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and roads and bridges and then the family's act which is education, health care and medical leave and all of the different things that the president says will be really a generational investment to help americans survive and thrive amid the pandemic and the economic crisis along with racial reckoning. a lot of this is the president ticking through saying you need to pass the george floyd police and justice act. you need to pass and immigrants who have contributed without legal status, they should all get a pathway to citizenship. he should be talking about the role that the vice president is planning and get the root causes of immigration issues and he's also going to be focusing on trying to pass legislation on gun reforms, talking about the tragedies that we've had to live with, the mass shootings. the president is going to be talking at length about ways he wants to see the lawmakers act
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and pass legislation. >> i'll say it again. people like government they can see and feel in front of them. they can see it in their bank account, they can see it in a road, they can see it in a bridge and in their life. he understands that. that's one of his super powers. the other is kindness. yumish and michael, thank you both very much. coming up. we are still waiting for authorities to release body cam footage from the deadly shooting in north carolina. meanwhile, there's another case of a man dying under an officer's knee. this time in california. we'll be right back. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, marie could only imagine enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice. now no fruit is forbidden. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn?
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president biden is expected to make police reform a central focus of tonight's address. it couldn't come at a more critical time. despite a week of protests, today a judge denied a request
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to lease body camera footage of the shooting of andrew brown junior by sheriff's deputies to the public for the next 30 days. he cited ongoing investigations. brown's family won't get to see additional footage until the faces of the deputies involved are blurred to protect their identities. the judge did order that four body cam videos and one dash cam be made available to the family within the next 10 days as opposed to the one 20 second video. family attorney ben crump said he was disappointed in this modern civil rights crisis where we see black people killed by police everywhere we look, video evidence is the key to discerning the truth and getting well deserved justice for victims of murders. body cam footage with the killing of mario gonzalez on april 19th. alameda police officers pinned him to the ground for several minutes face down.
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we should warn you, this video is disturbing. >> oh, no wonder. i got it. >> what do you have? >> no. no. stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. >> police claim that they attempted to detain gonzalez and a physical altercation ensued and he suffered a medical emergency. if that sounds familiar, that's because minneapolis police made the same allegations about george floyd. gonzalez's brother said his brother's death in police custody was in the same manner as george floyd's. president biden is expected to make a renewed push tonight to pass the police reform bill named for george floyd, the justice in policing act which vice president kamala harris co-authored as a california
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senator. joining me now, paul butler, georgetown law professor and former federal law professor and mark claxton. paul, i want to go to you first on the refusal to release this video. they're making the statement that essentially people will see the video and jump to conclusions. people are already jumping to conclusions. what do you make of the denial of the release? >> the judge is claiming releasing the video now will impact the investigation. that's a common excuse when the cops don't want the public to see something. joy, we've seen more transparency in other high profile cases. in columbus, ohio, video was released within hours of the shooting of mkaya bryant and the same when they killed adam toledo. with mr. brown's killing i think there is a legitimate concern about the coverup. if the video exonerated the cops, i think we would have seen it by now. >> that is a point. mark, just on the alameda case.
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we're trying to keep all of these cases in our mind. there are similarities between that case. the statement that was put out and the statement that was put out on george floyd. in george floyd's case, officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. he was transported where he died a short time later. that was a lie. here the mario gonzalez case, officers tried to detain the man. a physical altercation. at that time, the man had a medical emergency. they transported the male to a local hospital where he later died. these almost read like cookie cutter statements that pop out of a vending machine and that's why i like to refer to them as claims. i don't even say they said, i say they claim because they fall apart so often. >> yeah, joy. this is a tragic time loop where black and brown bodies are
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routinely now on a regular basis just killed at the hands of law enforcement. we're getting a witness not only the apathy of government in large part over these killings but the ugly underside of what has become the policing session which forces us to make harsh decisions moving forward as to whether or not how we want to proceed with this policing thing. >> let me ask you this question because you're a former law enforcement officer. what is going on? does it -- it feels like after the initial black lives matter movement started to build up there was a reduction in violence, that the police took a second thought and took a step back. this feels like an escalation. does it feel like that to you? >> only reason it does not feel like an escalation to me is because i've realized and i've been connected to some of these stories for a very long time. this has been happening for a long time, it's just that we are now more in tune and covering it
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differently and really discussing the issues much more in depth than we've ever done. but if you look historically, these cases are not new, it's just that there's more video and there's more opportunity to discuss these issues. >> paul, one of the jurors in the chauvin trial has spoken out. he was on the "today" show. let's take a listen to what they said? >> i thought the evidence was overwhelming that he was guilty in my opinion. i thought it was a no brainer. like i said, after dr. tobin and all the other witnesses. we're everyday civilians that put our families, our jobs and our days aside to serve justice, to serve justice and we walked in with an open mind waiting to see. we did our due diligence and see what the defense was going to come up with. we felt like the evidence was overwhelming for the verdict. >> it's important he said that at the end. it did, i think, i wouldn't be wrong, would i, the makeup of the jury being multiple races, not being an all white jury,
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being a jury that included people who had a bit more skepticism of police's side of the story? >> it was a jury that looked like america and that made a huge difference. we learned from this jury that the video impacted the jury the same way it impacted the world. we watched it and they chose to believe their own eyes. >> yeah. >> i want to also note for you fairly quickly, stay with you, paul, for a moment. we do know the georgia men who killed ahmed arbery are going to be charged. they were indicted charged with hate crimes and attempted kidnapping. the indictment charges two men with separate counts of using firearms during that crime of violence. what's the significance of that? one of these men is a former police officer too. >> the significance is race matters. race will be an issue in this case. in other cases like the chauvin trial where everybody knows
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racism is an important factor, it doesn't come up. so i think this will give the victim's family some resolution, some if not closure, at least acknowledgment that one reason that mr. arbery was killed is because he is black. >> let's take a big step back, mark. i've seen you talking about this on other shows and i want to get you back on this again. i'm sorry you're asked this every time you're on tv but what the hell do we do about this? police have lost so much credibility. when i see a police statement, i say a claim. it seems so cookie cutter and designed to exculpate the officers. the police unions seem to stand in the way of any kind of reform. no transparency. we can't get the body cam footage. what do we do to make this a system that people feel is worth paying tax money for? >> what we do is to demand full
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transparency and really take a good look at the under side that i mentioned earlier. also, recognize that policing is just one arm of a quote, unquote, crooked system, if you will. all the calls for significant and substantive police reform, which i support fully, will not heal what ales us because you have court systems and you have that structure for part of this larger criminal justice picture. the first step is to modernize your police concept and have clear national standards. >> it feels, paul, like there has to be a bifurcation. jason johnson has said this. you need to have a public safety position and a police system. you do need somebody to investigate crime. police are really good at that, but this other thing where they're out writing tickets for somebody with dice hanging in their car, minor infractions, responding to people with a mental health crisis.
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sending a person who's trained in violence seems nonsense sickal at this point particularly when it comes to black and brown people. >> that's exactly right, joy. alla made doe, the call was for drinking in public. george floyd using a counterfeit $20 bill. they all ended up dead. to enforce those pettit crimes, we don't need people who are licensed to kill. they should get tickets. when the cops show up the situation escalates into tragedy far too often. >> we have a whole kind of police that just give you tickets on your car. if you could come up with that system, which is also just revenue based, you can come up with something else for the majority of this stuff and let police be detectives and solve crimes. that seems like the solution. you guys are the professionals. thank you both, paul butler and mark claxton. appreciate you. up next, senate majority leader chuck schumer is here to
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just about an hour from now president biden will return to the capitol, the place where he spent more than three decades of his professional life, but this time it will be to deliver his first address to congress as president of the united states. while in the house chamber still scarred from the trump inspired republican insurrection, biden will lay out an ambitious plan to invest in the american people. the man in charge of confronting republican obstruction and getting the legislative agenda
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through the senate is majority leader chuck schumer. thank you for being here. i'm going to jump into the thing i'm most obsessed about which is voting because without voting you get nothing else. i want to let you listen to what joe manchin, the senator from west virginia has said about using or i'll read to you what he said about using the filibuster to -- on the for the people act. basically getting rid of the filibuster to put through this critical voting bill. how in the world could you with the tension we have right now allow a voting bill to restructure the voting of america on a partisan line? i'm not going to be a part of it. to me that contains a lie because it's not restructuring voting on a partisan line, it's letting everybody vote. that's not partisan, that's american. if he's talking like that, will anything else be able to get through? if he is more devoted to the filibuster than he is to voting rights, how do we get anywhere?
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>> well, first, let me say i couldn't agree with you more. voting rights is fundamental to our society, but these republican legislators are doing is despicable. when you lose an election in democracy, joy, you try to win the people you lost. when you lose an election in an autocratic dictatorial government you take people off the rolls. they are trying to make it hard for people to vote. it's despicable and it cannot stand so the question is how can we get it done. there are a number of members of my caucus who say let's try things in a bipartisan way. let's see if we can get republicans to join us in dealing with this sacred issue of voting rights. and they're going to try. and, hey, god bless them. if they can get republicans to join us in big, bold reform, not dilute half-baked reform, that would be the best way to go. but if they can't -- if
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said this to all of my colleagues, failure is not an option. voting is too sacred. everything will be on the table to get it done. they want their chance to prove bipartisanship, they'll have their chance. but if we cannot get bipartisanship with big, bold relief everything will be on the table. >> you did tell medhi hasan you have a deadline. is that a time when you go back to joe manchin and kristen cinema who trolled her supporters with bling on her finger, and manchin is being ostentatious and saying i am more devoted to the old jim crow filibuster than i am to anything, to infrastructure for my own state, he's made it very
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clear. what tools do you have if we get to august and they're still saying no? what can you do to get them off the dime? >> first, the reason i said august on your colleague's show was because if we wait until much past august, these these horrible changes these republican legislatures are putting into effect may not be undone for the 2022 elections. so we have to get it done by then. and basically we will look at every option. again, i have some colleagues who are not now, as you stated, for going at it alone. they want to try bipartisanship. i'm willing to give them a little time to try at that bipartisanship. but two points. two points. one, we cannot have bipartisanship like we sort of did in 2009 and dilute everything so it's not very real. this is sacred and you can't have it half baked.
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you've got to protect voting rights, period. and second, we will not let them drag it out and drag it out and drag it out. but i've already said that the handful of my colleagues, go start talking to the republicans now and see what they're willing to do. they may not be will to do everything, but they want the chance at this time. i think that's fair to give them the chance. but not to let it get in the way. failure is not an option no matter what the republicans do. >> i promise this will be my last shot at this. what is your leverage, though? is this a case where the democratic senate congressional committee says if you want to be fully supported by us, fund-raising leverage, what is the leverage that you have over people like sinema and manchin? >> the biggest leverage we have first is the merits. this is not what a democracy does. and i think they admit that. i think sinema supports s-1. i named it s-1 after hr-1 because i thought it was so
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important. so the biggest leverage we have is this the right thing to do. but second there's more leverage. our caucus is going to know if we enact these laws, it makes the chances of us -- if we fail to block these laws, i mean, the chances of our caucus retaining the majority and people who are up for re-election like kelly and warnock winning is greatly diminished. >> you've got voting rights, infrastructure, police reform, gun reform, immigration, daca. it's a very big menu of things. >> but here's what i want to say, joy. tonight is a great night. first we're going to have president biden, not president trump sitting there. someone who's interested in the truth, who's interested in improving the lives of the poor and the middle class. second, you're going to have two women sitting behind him. nancy pelosi and kamala harris, who is also going to be the first woman of color to sit there and be as vice president. but third, and maybe more important than that great symbolism we have is he's going
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to propose a big, bold plan to help america dealing with traditional infrastructure, dealing with green infrastructure, but also dealing with human infrastructure. the parts of this bill are so important, human capital is as important -- i'm not saying one is better than the other, you need both as well as bridges, et cetera, to improve child care, to improve paid sick leave, to make pre-k universal, to make community college free. that's going to make us a much stronger country and it's been ignored for too long so this is really a good day. then he will propose, you know, the way to pay for it by undoing a lot of the trump tax cuts. >> we are out of time. >> to the top 1%. >> we are out of time. do you have a quick thought on your fellow new yorker, rudy giuliani, and his travails? >> for the first time we have a justice department that will turn over every stone. i have faith they will find
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everything. >> senate majority leader chuck schumer, thanks for spending some time with us. don't go anywhere. i'll be back with my balance brian williams, rachel maddow, nicolle wallace for live coverage of president biden's first address to a joint session of congress. you do not want to miss it. it's going to be the gang all back together. stay with us. r. stay with us ♪ yum yum yum yum yum yum ♪ ♪ yum yum yum yum yum yum ♪ ♪ yum yum yum yum yuuum yum yum yum yum yum yum yuuum ♪ ♪ yum ♪ ♪ yum yum (clap, clap) yum yum (clap) yum yum ♪ i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer. ♪ ♪ i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand nothing on my skin, ♪ ♪ that's my new plan. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. of those, nearly 9 out of 10 sustained it through 1 year. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses.
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