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before and after the speech as well. follow our show online on facebook and twitter @mitchellreports. i'll be with chuck todd tonight. and he picks it up now with "mtp daily" only on msnbc. ♪♪ welcome to wednesday. it is "meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd here in washington. and as you've just been digesting, we've got the breaking news that involves the president -- former president's former lawyer, and former new york city mayor and former u.s. attorney rudy giuliani. sources have confirmed to nbc news that giuliani's apartment was -- there was a search warrant and federal officials officially went inside his apartment and commandeered some things that they needed thanks to an fbi search warrant. jonathan dienst reported just moments ago that it appears two locations were actually searched. this development represents a
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significant escalation in a criminal investigation stemming from giuliani's dealings with ukraine because it means a judge would have had to approve a search warrant on the basis that it is reasonably likely a search would turn up evidence that a crime was committed. this obviously is a major developing story. we're going to bring you the latest on what we know, the facts in just a moment and try to keep the punditry to a minimum. in the meantime we are just hours away from president biden's first address before a joint session of congress and his 99th day in office. this news will obviously kind 6 at least overshadow things here in the district a bit if you will in official washington as everybody sort of hand wringz and speculates about giuliani's future. here's what we can tell you about the speech tonight. nbc has learned the president is planning to focus on racial justice among other things. he's also going to tout his administration's success in his goal avenue cheefg 200 million covid shots within the first 100 days. but the heart of the speech is not those things. it is going to be the president
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unveiling a nearly $2 trillion package in assistance for american families. call this the infrastructure sort of social infrastructure plan. it includes universal preschool, free community college, expanded access to child care, all of it paid for in part by raising taxes on the wealthiest americans. it is part of a historically massive agenda. this white house might be thrilled to get even half of it through congress and maybe that's what they're doing here, throw as much at the wall as you can and see what makes it through. and the white house's strategy for the first 100 days does give us a pretty good window into how they plan to navigate these next political battles. president biden is pursuing popular programs, infrastructure, stimulus checks, increasing taxes on corporations and the wealthy. those score high marks with the majority of americans. he's avoiding fights he doesn't think he can win. with republicans in congress opposed to most of his plans he is not looking to increase his political enemies by even picking fights with big pharma or the health insurance industry let alone what one could argue is a tepid response on what they think they can get done on guns.
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and next as we said he is going big on what he thinks is popular. when you add up the cost of covid relief the infrastructure proposal and the new social infrastructure plan it's a $6 trillion price tag. that rivals estimates of what we spent on world war ii and the new deal combined. and finally, president biden is flooding the zone with these policy proposals. with midterm election fever hitting congress earlier and earlier the front knows his window for passing any legislation gets smaller and smaller. one year to pass things, three years to defend it. so joining me now nbc's chief white house correspondent peter alexander. garrett haake is on capitol hill. yamiche alcindor is the white house correspondent for pbs news-hour and an msnbc contributor. peter, i want to start with you because i had somebody just a few minutes ago e-mail me this, going you think they could have aprochd the raid on giuliani tomorrow rather than today and compete at all with obviously the focus that you would assume the biden administration would have, which is on all things here? we know the white house doesn't get involved in these things.
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and i would argue today's news is proof. >> yeah, no, i mean, here's the bottom line, though. right? it also does sort of underlie one of the biggest differences between what we're witnessing these days and we'll see tonight and what the last four years looked like. for a lot of americans. this will be one of the limited number of times they've probably heard from president biden himself since his inaugural address. you're seeing much more discipline versus the disruption of course of the last four years. but this is an opportunity. this president was hoping to speak to a wide swath of americans right now enjoying an approval rating from our poll of roughly 53%. remember he won 51% of the popular vote. so hovering right about where he was when election season was taking place here. as you know, what they said when the covid relief bill was being fought over the president said the real risk wasn't going too small. again here they are making sure they avoid that risk. he is going big and bold across the board on these things as you just laid out. it will be $6 trillion in new spending the president will have proposed so far. almost 2 trillion that was already approved as it related to covid without a single
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republican vote. and here as you note on those popular items from infrastructure and human infrastructure they include things like expanding the child tax credit for another five years as mart of the american families plan, education, adding universal pre-k for 3 and 4-year-olds. community colleges as well. chuck, as you laid out, they are picking these high ground issues, these issues with wide support across the board right now as opposed to those issues as you indicated that can be much more contentious. they're not lowering the medicare eligibility. they are not lowering prescription drug costs. beyond that they are also not going after student loan forgiveness. they are focusing on places where they feel they have real backing. and from anita dunn, one of the president's top advisers here, a memo that was obtained by nbc news saying they believe the american people agree with the way they want to spend this money or the way they want to pay for all of this by taxing the wealthiest of americans, chuck. >> peter alexander getting us
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started at the white house. peter, thank you. let me move over to capitol hill. garrett haake. so garrett, how did the congressional democratic leadership handle the decision by the white house to say you know what? we don't want to pick a fight with pharma and the health care industry right now. >> well, look, i think leadership has the same goals here, which is to get something passed and to not have to beat their heads against the wall for the next year or so to do it. i think there will be elements within the democratic party that are frustrated by the lack of those items being included in this family's planning. this family's plan package. we've seen progressives starting to float some of their own ideas, their own legislation here over the last couple of days, almost as if they were trying to inception these items into the president's agenda. that said, you are looking at a situation here with the family's plan that is plm certainly going to have to be another reconciliation effort here. unlike with infrastructure, there's not widespread
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republican feeling that this is sort of a worthwhile set of things to do with that much money. and i think what we're already starting to hear, certainly what i've heard from republicans so far, is opposition to this plan conceptually at 30,000 feet for what it costs rather than kind of getting down and picking fights over individual elements of it which i think polling has already shown and will continue to show certain pieces of this are popular but what we're seeing from republicans is to say this is too much money, it's radically remaking an economy that they will argue is working just fine before the pandemic and that that's where the focus should be. so democrats are almost certainly going to have to go it alone on this. i just have a very hard time seeing where republican support comes from on this new package. >> and ironically, garrett, by having to go it alone does that give the white house more leeway with the progressive wing? because they're basically hey, we've got to do as much as joe manchin will allow us. >> i think that's exactly right. they can pass what joe manchin and kyrsten sinema will vote
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for. but chuck, make no mistake, this is also something that could reignite the discussion about getting rid of the filibuster. if the white house says this is a priority, we've got to go big, we've got to do it now, okay, well, the tool you would need to do it is there available to you. again, if you can convince joe manchin to go for it. >> you know, and yamiche, that brings me to sort of how are the republicans going to pose this? garrett just gave us a preview. this is too much at one time. well, does that mean they want some of this? are they basically -- is their opposition going to be focused on the price tag or are they going to go after some of these individual ideas? >> my understanding, the big republican pushback will be on the price tag. they'll be saying this is a democratic wish list, that the president has no interest really in working with republicans, and they'll also be saying that this is really the president of the united states looking at this bill and trying to force republicans to vote for something that would reverse a
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big signature win of president trump's, the former president, and that of course is those 2017 tax cuts. so a lot of the way that the president pays for this, pays for the families plan, the jobs plan, it's raising taxes on corporations and raising taxes on some of the healthiest americans, the top 1%, even the top 1% of the top 1%. that being said, what we're going to hear from the president tonight is him really making a pitch to restore faith in government. he's going to be talking about being empathetic. this is not i'm told a victory lap but he is going to be trying to celebrate some of the wins, talking about how he has been able to get after covid, has been able to get our vaccination rates up. but a lot of this is also going to be him laying out what he sees as a vision for the next generation and that's the way he's going to in some ways be trying to push back at republicans saying they are opposing investing in the american people but of course it's going to be up to republicans to decide how to push back on that but a lot of that is going to be saying that president biden is simply just spending money that we don't have. >> are there going to be olive branches tonight to republicans?
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yamiche. >> my sense is that he's going to be talking about -- at least interested in talking about the fact that they were able to pass some bills in the past with bipartisan support, that he's been able to have a lot of republicans in the oval office that he's regularly talking to republican senators. that being said, the core of this being the american families plan being unveiled, the core of this being these democratic bills that are big, that have gone through reconciliation, it's going to be hard to see where republicans feel that this is really a speech that calls out to them. i think the president, he ran on being bipartisan. there are people who back the president, who like the idea of him working with republicans. so my understanding is that there will be a sort of olive branch but really it's about being big and bold. like peter said, it's about them saying the real worry here is to be too small, not too big. so in the speech you're going to hear a lot of democratic ideals. and that i think a lot of republican talking points and pulling back to say we can go
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smaller to work with republicans. >> hey, garrett, i know you've got to run. there's a whole bunch of briefings we're getting deluged with today. there is a small group of democratic housemakers that have been trying to get rid of the -- trying to restore the deductions for the so-called salt taxes, the state and local taxes. given everything that this biden administration has rolled out, is the congressional democratic leadership really going to fight then for a tax break for the wealthy? >> i think that is a very tough sell. it is ideologically inconsistent can what they're trying to do on taxes across the board. and republicans will hammer them for it. i think some of this is going to depend on how resolute those mostly northeastern democrats are in fighting for this as we've talked about in other contexts. speaker pelosi's congressional majority is about this big. she has very little margin for error. so again, if somebody else wants to try on joe manchin's sneakers
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and say they're not going to budge on something like, this then we're in for a serious debate. >> and peter alexander, the final -- tonight is supposed to be mostly about unveiling this bill. but i guess the question i have, peter, is how much are we -- they want to make sure we know he's going to talk about social justice, he's going to talk about guns. what does that mean in this context? >> it's a good question, chuck. obviously there is a laundry list that the president is going to roll out in the course of this speech, right? the $6 trillion in spending alone would make for itself a pretty extended speech here. but then you have the justice in policing act as it relates to george floyd. you have the gun restriction that's have been central to the american conversation lately. and beyond that the issues associated with the border as well here. so it's notable the president will have an effusive push for the george floyd policing act. we are told that on some of those other issues obviously there's only so much capital that he has here. but as you've noted, they're going to try to do as much as
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they can in the front end here in the first year as it were and then defend it for the remainder of his term in office. foreign policy. this isn't going to be a speech that foreign policy experts are going to hear a lot of meat on but you'll certainly hear references to russia, china and i bet to iran and north korea as well, chuck. >> you know, yamiche, when we talk about police reform there's no more important person in that conversation than the republican that was tasked with giving the official response to this address. that's senator tim scott. it's interesting. i have a feeling you're not going to hear red meat rhetoric from him. it's not his style. so it's setting a tone. do we expect him to lean in a little bit on police reform? >> tim scott? >> yeah. >> i think that at least talking to the sources i've been talking to on capitol hill as well as at the white house, this really is something that feels like it's an inflection point. after the verdict, after derek chauvin being found guilty of murdering george floyd, there is this feeling that tim scott and senator booker are close to
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having some sort of conversation, some sort of negotiation that could actually end in legislation. my understanding as of now is that there's no formal negotiations going on, there are no negotiating teams. that said, tim scott is going to be following a speech where president biden is going to be saying we need to pass policing reform for specifically african-americans in particular but also for our nation as a whole. we're dealing with so many police shootings before and after the killing of george floyd. so i would find it hard to believe that tim scott doesn't at least touch on the issue of policing given the fact that his party is looking directly at him to say what can we get behind, what can you come up with that we can sell to our district? >> all right. yamiche alcindor, garrett haake, and peter alexander, thank you all. by the way, moments ago a north carolina judge has decided to not release publiclit bodycam video of the sheriff's deputies' shooting and killing of andrew
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brown jr. while serving an arrest warrant for drug charges last week. the full bodycam videos will be only disclosed to andrew brown's family. you are looking at elizabeth city surveillance video released to nbc news through a public records request which shows officers -- i think we're seeing it there. arriving to andrew brown's home. we don't have that, it appears, yet. civil rights attorney benjamin crump who's representing brown's family did tweet that the video shows a militarized police force rushing to kill andrew brown. now, the sheriff's office has said that a s.w.a.t.-style team was used because brown was a convicted felon with a history of resisting arrest. at today's hearing the district attorney said that brown's car makes contact with law enforcement officers twice before they open fire. yesterday the fbi announced a civil rights probe into brown's death and lawyers for brown's family released a private autopsy report showing that brown had been shot five times, four in the arm and once in the back of the head. up next, the very latest on the breaking news on the federal investigators executing a search warrant on rudy giuliani's
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welcome back. more on that breaking news involving rudy giuliani. you are looking at live pictures outside giuliani's new york apartment, where the fbi executed a search warrant this morning. sources have confirmed to nbc news. and as we mentioned, it is a major escalation in the criminal investigation that stems from giuliani's various dealings inside the country of ukraine. so joining me now is nbc news correspondent ken dilanian and former fbi senior official msnbc legal analyst chuck rosenberg. so ken, let's get at the delay. this search warrant in some ways, this is an investigation that's been going on for quite some time. the investigators have wanted this search warrant for quite some time but it had been
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delayed. explain the delay and why today. >> that's right, chuck. i don't think we know the full reasons for the delay. but our colleague tom winter and the "new york times" have reported that the fbi was seeking -- was asking the success department to go to court and get this search warrant for a long time during the trump administration and was meeting resistance. and we can all draw our own conclusions about what was going on there. but the search warrant has now been executed. and what it means is that the justice department and the fbi convinced the judge that there was probable cause to believe a crime had been committed and that the evidence for that crime or some of those crimes existed in rudy giuliani's apartment. and while nbc news is not reporting what investigators seized, "the new york times" is saying that they have seized giuliani's electronic devices, which of course can be a wealth of evidence of communications and all sorts of things. and look, stepping back here, this goes -- the investigation of rudy giuliani's been going on for a long time as we know.
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it stemmed from that other case against those obscure soviet-born figures lev parnas and igor fruman who are facing unrelated charges in a few months. they were working with him to dig up dirt on joe biden and ukraine. this was all wrapped up in the impeachment case against donald trump. and now we know from recent u.s. intelligence assessments that this was all part of a russian disinformation campaign to discredit joe biden, to interfere in the election, and that some of that russian intelligence-generated disinformation was fed to rudy giuliani. it's not clear whether that aspect of it is part of the criminal case. it's fairly clear that one of the issues with giuliani is whether he complied with lobbying disclosure laws and that the government is also looking at his banking records. but it's bigger than just that because this was a foreign government trying to interfere in our election by discrediting one candidate and giuliani was in the middle of it, chuck. >> well, and he was working for -- working with some
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questionable characters. chuck rosenberg, i want to ask about the sort of procedure inside the justice department. you have career investigators who thought maybe that this search warrant should have been executed quite some time. clearly you had political folks that maybe legitimately were arguing it's too close to an election. okay. i understand that. this is a legitimate reason to maybe delay something like this. but you can't help but wonder, you gave rudy giuliani a six-month head start. he knew he was being investigated. he's not the brightest -- we've learned he's not the brightest bulb on the electronic use tree, if you will, since giuliani's found trouble before. but he's had six months to clean up this electronic record. >> yeah. well, a couple of reactions to that, chuck. first, you're right. i mean, if he was savvy and thoughtful and smart, perhaps he could have cleaned documents and data. that's also, point two, a hard
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thing to do. it is not as easy to delete information from electronic devices as you might imagine. and the fbi is very, very good at recovering things that people thought they deleted. but to your point, this is precisely why you want to execute search warrants as close in time as possible to the crime and when you think the evidence of that crime will be on those devices. logically. and by the way, i wanted to just compliment ken because adding the context for this investigation is so important. this was an attack on the united states by russia through ukraine and apparently through american citizens who helped the russians do this terrible thing to the american electorate, to our electoral process and to our citizens. and so there are crimes involved but there is also unethical, immoral and improper behavior.
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some of that may not be criminal in the end. some of it might. time will tell. that's why we do search warrants. >> let me -- i bring in kristen welker in here. i know that she's made -- attempted to make some contact with mr. giuliani. kristen, what do you have? >> well, so far haven't heard back from rudy giuliani, chuck. but just to take a step back and remind people of his close relationship with former president trump. former president trump arguably had no closer or longer-standing legal adviser, someone who was there through all of the various legal battles, both impeachment trials and of course the 2020 election. and so when you think about the fact that federal investigators are now escalating their investigation taking this step it is quite significant. so we reached out to trump world to try to get the reaction there. but undoubtedly this is going to
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be an unwelcome development. and just to put a fine point on it, when you think about that second impeachment trial, chuck, think about the people who were advising former president trump on that second impeachment trial. the circle was quite smaller than the first one, as you will recall. and there were a number of advisers who said they just didn't feel comfortable defending the president in that second trial because of the stakes, because of what happened on january 6th. now, rudy giuliani of course wasn't a part of the official proceedings. but he was there on the sidelines and he was there arguing of course that there should have been a recount. he was leading that effort. and so this is someone who was quite close with president trump. of course they had their ups, they had their downs, but this is something that undoubtedly is going to shake all of trump world, chuck. >> well, i would imagine. and chuck rosenberg, i'm curious here. look, having judge garland as
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the attorney general i think a lot of people were hoping that you want to have someone there who when he makes tough decisions like this he's seen as less of a political actor than preefrs attorneys general that we've had over the last few presidencies, no matter -- i think many of them have tried to act in the job first but having a former judge there i think wants to take even -- create even more space. so walk us through the process, chuck, if you will, of his involvement in basically giving the go-ahead for this search warrant. >> sure. so if a prosecutor in the field, an assistant u.s. attorney, in this case in the southern district of new york, wants to apply for a search warrant to get information related to a lawyer connected to the lawyer's practice of law, right? then that's a big deal. as it should be. because you might be impinging on an attorney-client relationship and privileged
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communications. so what do you do? in that case the u.s. attorney's office would not have the authority on its own to go execute that search warrant, to go to a federal judge and seek her permission. would have to go to main justice hrkts, where the attorney general sits and ask for permission. a case of this magnitude not just any lawyer but the president's former personal lawyer, very, very likely would be briefed to the attorney general of the united states. and approved by him. now, i also want to add one other thing, chuck, to your earlier point. the department of justice always has to be two things. it has to be actually objectively and it has to be perceived as fair. it's not sufficient just to be objectively fair if you're not perceived that way. and the greatest damage that i think president trump did to our justice department and to the rule of law was to undermine that perception of fairness. i hope people will reserve judgment. i hope they'll read the search
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warrant application, affidavit when it's unsealed. but i think in this case you can rest assured that it was handled appropriately and at the highest level. >> it's very important. the former president did more to weaponize and try to destroy the integrity of the justice department than any president we've had in my lifetime. ken dilanian, before i let all of you guys go, i feel like we need a little bit of a reminder. igor and les. les parnas and igor fruman, who are sort of rudy giuliani's buddies that he seemed to hook up with in ukraine, and then they apparently flipped, or at least one of them. what do we know? this all feels like it's connected. >> yeah, chuck. there's a lot we don't know about their cooperation. but one interesting thing is there was a superseding indictment filed in the fall in their case involving a half a million dollars that went to a company known as fraud guarantee. memorably known. >> my favorite company name
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these days. >> parnas and fruman allegedly were representing that rudy giuliani was deeply involved in that company. and the allegation is that there was a fraud there. and giuliani has said that he wasn't involved and that they misrepresented his involvement. i think it remains to be seen what the facts are there, and perhaps we'll learn more as this investigation of rudy giuliani goes forward. >> i think we're going to find out that fraud guarantee wasn't the name of a company, it was simply a pledge. ken dilanian, kristen welker, and chuck rosenberg, thank you all for giving us some context around all of this. we're going to stay on top of this breaking news if we get more on the future of rudy giuliani and how soon if any criminal charges end up being brought against him. up next, what progressives would like to hear from president biden tonight. democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal joins me next. s me next. so you want to make the best burger ever? then make it!
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i get into the various ways that we're supposed to say hey, look, progressives and president biden aren't agreeing on various things, if 60% of what's been introduced by the president passes, how big of a victory do you think that would be for progressives? >> well, i think first of all the president is going to put forward a bold plan that is filled with progressive priorities. we know that already. and we're grateful to him because there's nothing like the president's microphone in this context. and so i don't think it's a question of what's the percentage at which we're happy. i think the question is the urgency of the moment and what needs to be done. and we really believe the president when he says this is a once in a generation investment into things that we desperately need to do, chuck, in the face of all these crises that we've had. so for us the question is what can really deliver on the president's vision, deliver the
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real results that we need to get? and that's why we're seeing there are some areas where we will need to do more. in general i think we are going to say we agree with everything that is in the president's plan but we need more and there's a couple of areas where we really think they've been excluded and they need to be included. >> so i guess the question is -- look, some of this, are policy disagreements and some of this are political disagreements. it's about how you're going to get something done. not including health care for now. looks to some of us in the observation business as this white house not wanting to pick a fight with the health care industry right now. i know that's not what you wanted to hear, but do you understand that decision? >> well, i just think it's the wrong approach. i mean, we're talking about something that is so intensely popular that it will get americans out and fighting for the plan, which i think is what we want. that's what we saw with the survival checks. right? these are things that are populist policies.
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prescription drug pricing is a populist policy. it has, you know, unbelievable support across the country in every part of the country, republicans, independents and democrats. now, if you take the savings from that and you use it to lower the medicare eligibility age to 60 as the president has said he wants to do and to give eyeglasses and hearing aids and dental to seniors, that again is so popular. so what i want is for us to think about this in terms of what really makes people feel like they want to fight for this plan. and there are other things in here as well. i don't mean to imply that health care is the only one. but i think with that kind of energy and commitment across the ideological spectrum in the country we will be able to defeat the pharmaceutical companies that are definitely going to pour a lot of money into trying to defeat this. >> let me go to that. you do bring up something that is oneof those conundrums of
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washington. lowering prescription drug pricing is something easy to see on a poll that's popular. same on background gun checks. you get into the 80s on some of these things. and yet it has never been able to be done. look, president trump rhetorically sounded like a guy who wanted to do it and he just -- is this an issue of it's too hard to deal with k street? is that why people on both sides of the aisle say the right rhetoric but don't get it done? >> well, i don't think it's too hard to deal with k street. i think we have to just do it. and if that's what people are saying, then shame on them because the reality is we're stuck in a place where grandmas and seniors are cutting their drugs at the kitchen table. just downstairs in my building this morning my concierge told me that she buys her prescription drugs in one-week increments because she can't afford to buy a full month and she needs to wait to get her weekly paycheck. that is crazy. we are in the midst of a health pandemic and we need to fix this
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and we need to take on those lobbyists and big pharma companies that are so willing to pour millions into defeating any kind of reform but at the same time are minting billions of dollars in profits just during this pandemic, not to mention before. >> before i let you go, i was curious if you had any response to james carville. i'm sure you've seen some of what he said. and he was sort of -- i'll read you some of it. he said -- it talks about -- he called it the faculty lounge issue. they come up with a word like latinx that no one else uses or they use phrases like communities of color. i don't know anyone who speaks like that. we have to talk about race. we should talk about racial injustice. what i'm saying is we need to do it without using jargony language that's unrecognizable to most people including most black people, by the way, because it signals that you're trying to talk around them. this is "too cool for school," et cetera. what do you make of his critique of some of the progressive messaging?
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and i'm not saying this is a critique of you, the individual here. but you see where he's going. >> yeah, well, i'm a person of color and i identify with people of color. i think we have to listen to people of color across the country who certainly like us to use the words black, brown, latinx, indigenous. i mean, these are words that mean something to those of us that are in these communities. and i think that it is important that we continue to use clear language. but latinx is a term that is very important to a lot of latinos. it doesn't mean we have to use it in every situation, every circumstance. but as a brown woman in america, as an immigrant woman, i like it when people call that out. and i don't mind doing what the polling says is popular as well, which is to say white, black, and brown. you know, that message, chuck, tests better than not talking about race. so i do agree with him that we need to talk about race but i just completely disagree that that's a so-called politically correct thing or that we, people of color, don't like the term persons of color.
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just disagree with that. >> another issue that the president's not going to touch on and it gets back into this no-brainer, and i referenced it before, is some sort of concerted effort on gun regulation. is this just not going to happen this congress? you know the politics of this place. >> it has to happen. i've been talking with my democratic colleagues across the spectrum of the caucus, not just progressives, and you know, we think that these gun bills that we passed in the house of representatives, the background checks on the charleston loophole bill, should be put on the floor so that -- of the senate so that if republicans want to vote against it we can show exactly why we need to eliminate the filibuster, because this is a majority of people that want to get this done. and chuck schumer is the senate majority leader, not mitch mcconnell. we should not put all the power in mitch mcconnell's hands when we know that these bills are so popular across the country. we just can't allow for the tyranny of the minority to control the senate.
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welcome back. let's dive into the breaking news involving rudy giuliani as nbc news has confirmed that the fbi executed a search warrant on what appears to be multiple giuliani apartments in new york city. "the new york times" is now reporting that an attorney for mr. giuliani told them that the search was, quote, legal thuggery. joined by ari melber, msnbc's legal correspondent and of course host of "the beat." ari, i go back to the what took them so long and what has been
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lost and what clearly is at least a six to eight-month delay in executing this search warrant. >> that's a big question, chuck. and it's obviously big news to have rudy giuliani, such a prominent supporter and lawyer for the president, have his home raided today. "the new york times" is reporting, nbc news as you mentioned confirmed part of this. "new york times" reporting the raid and also reporting that part of what took so long was registers at the highest levels of the justice department. normal search warrants go through a judge and are executed. but in special situations, for example, a lawyer, it goes up to main justice. the "times" reported that requests to do this were rejected by trump officials before and after the election. so part of what took so long at least according to that report is the new york prosecutors on the ground and the feds wanted to do it, they felt they had the evidence to convince a judge, and they were initially and repeatedly held back. >> so look, the fact is we know this -- i mean, you say you know rudy was under investigation because everything out of that
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trump justice department leaked like a sieve. again, i know rudy giuliani hasn't been the brightest sort of bulb when it comes to using his devices because he's gotten himself in so many ridiculous jams before, but he -- i go back to what do we think's been lost? what do we think he was able to get destroyed? he knew that lev and igor -- lev parnas and igor fruman had been possibly cooperating for a while. >> that's correct. as you're reminding viewers, we have that backstory. not only the first impeachment trial but all of the other open investigations there and the cooperation. so i think that a, it's possible that someone who has a legal background like mr. giuliani may have looked back over his materials with an eye toward his own liability. b, this search is being executed today, right? so what we believe that means is that the prosecutors were able to convince a judge there's evidence they believe sufficient basis for evidence of a crime
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with that evidence being in this residence or residences. so whatever may have been lost or may no longer exist which is always possible though on some of these devices and phones you can find old stuff, this also means that the feds have a judge on board with the idea there's evidence of a crime in the giuliani residence. >> and the likely crime has to do with lobbying on behalf of a foreign country or mixing -- what is the crime you suspect assuming he is charged with something? that it will be around that part of the code? >> well, what we know, as you mentioned, is there have been these open investigations that deal with whether there was illegal lobbying, the idea you're lobbying on behalf of a foreign government but not disclosing it, not following federal law on that. that's a big deal for everyone. it's especially a big deal -- >> mike flynn. isn't this the mike flynn essentially plea deal? >> the federal law is called the foreign agents registration act. if you have a situation, chuck, where you might claim a type of ignorance or slap on the wrist,
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i had no idea, that's not going to apply to someone who was a top federal prosecutor. this search warrant here is executed by the office he literally used to run. he should know better if that's the issue. so i would say it's fara which is the foreign lobbying, other potential corruption and you mentioned what they lost but what they may have gained over the past several months is what else was he doing on behalf of donald trump during that pivotal post-election period and did any of it cross a line. >> so if you're donald trump right now, how nervous are you? >> i would say this like the raid of michael cohen raises big questions for donald trump. i don't know, i don't claim to know and i'm not claiming to report on what donald trump and giuliani discussed over those months. but boy, will it be interesting for the feds to take a look at it. having said that, the former president has his rights and anything that's attorney-client privilege may be protected for him but not for mr. giuliani. >> well, he is another new york prosecutor he's got to worry about right now anyway. his name's mr. vance. ari melber, always appreciate it. our chief msnbc legal analyst.
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and you know ari will be all over this today. turning back to tonight's speech. nbc news has been getting the view from voters in multiple ways. we have our latest nbc news poll where the president earned a 53% approval rating from all adults. and in a moment you're going to hear from some of the americans who took part in that poll to give you a little bit more context to what they said. we're also checking back in with the voters we've been following all in 2020 in our ongoing county to county project. dasa burns is keeping up with folks in kent county, michigan, home of grand rapids, asking how they would grade biden's first 100 days in office. take a listen. >> i would say he's at about an a-minus. for the very reason that i voted for him on. and that was to restore a sense of dignity. >> first 100 days i'd do a b-plus. i think if you look at covid relief and the way it's hit the
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streets -- >> a b. you know, it's 100 days and i'm impressed with what he's got done so far. i'm concerned -- very concerned with the situation at the border. >> well, border. >> well, dasha burns joins me now from grand rapids, michigan and chris who talked about the news poll. dasha, how many of them were one-time trump or romney voters? >> reporter: let's remind our viewers about what you and i have been talking about in kent county for a year now. we hypothesized if kent county turned blue, michigan would, too, and that's because of the key demographics in this area, particularly moderate republicans who soured on trump and have been having this political identity crisis there. you just heard from two of them, both cynthia and belinda grew up with the republican party, but
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in november they voted for biden. in fact, they voted blue all the way up and down the ballot for the very first time in their lives. and you just heard them give biden a pretty good grade for his first report card. this is really what we've been zeroing in on here. i'll tell you, chuck, they did say there was a lot of room for improvement, but i have to say, it was interesting to hear the excitement in voter voices as they got to talk about real policy issues, things that matter to them. i heard gun reform, climate change, the violence against women act, rising energy costs, all of these issues that they are excited to finally get to dig into and try to hold this administration accountable on. but by far the highest marks that president biden got on these voters was his handling of the pandemic. with that, i want you to hear from darrell ross. he's a local restaurant owner and his restaurant has really been a galvanizing place for voters of color in this rapidly growing and diversifying suburban county. take a listen to what he had to
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say. >> it's the first time since covid that my staff is safe, right? they're getting vaccinated, they're now getting unemployment, so we talk a lot about front line workers. i employ front line workers. and to be able to have them be safe and have the ability to stay home if they want, come to work, but really, it's been game-changing from an employee perspective and as a business owner, again, with the stimulus act and the restaurant act coming through, we'll get some much needed relief. but i can't underscore how good it is to finally see relief on both sides. >> reporter: one issue, though, that darel wants to see more action on is police reform. he says often rhetoric comes way before policy, and he wants to make sure policy actually follows rhetoric in this case, chuck. >> dasha burns in minneapolis.
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dasha, thank you. let's move to dallas. chris, getting the context out of their answers matters a lot. it's how we make our word clouds where we saw them, but it's always nice to get a fuller perspective. so what did you hear? >> -- is a key issue, obviously, here in texas is absolutely incredible. do we have sound? are you having trouble hearing me, chuck? >> we're good to go now, chris. >> okay, good. frustration, and immigration is really important. you saw it in our poll for more than one in five americans, but 33% only approve of the job that the president is doing so far. here's the interesting thing. i talked to two democrats and two republicans. the democrats acknowledged that past presidents didn't know how
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to fix it. the republicans said, no, trump didn't figure out how to fix it and joe biden is in this window of opportunity that presidents have early on that say maybe they could find some support. the most conservative of all republicans self-described said to me she sees a window of opportunity for joe biden on immigration, and she doesn't even like him. take a listen. >> if he could truly do real immigration reform, he'd probably win me. >> immigration reform needs to happen. we need -- >> everyone says that, but when it comes to compromise, nobody wants to do it. >> that's because we have lockdown politicians who don't want to change their minds on anything and keep doing the same old thing. >> not one person can do it, just like joe biden cannot do it, either. >> at least joe biden is being proactive on the issue, and we need to get to the source. why are so many immigrants coming here? >> these are desperate, desperate people, and we've got
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to be humane about it. >> but that is exactly why we need reform. first of all, we have to make it to where it doesn't take eight years or ten years to get a green card, for goodness' sakes. >> and you're conservative. >> i'm very conservative. but we should let people in. that's what america is. america is a better place for anybody that wants to better their life. >> reporter: so interesting, they all agreed on that, and for the republicans, they looked at it as an opportunity to improve business. so for them, they're looking at that. as you know, chuck, though, the devil is in the details, it's always been in the details. president after president after president has failed, but if there was one other telling remark by karen, our conservative republican, she said, you know what? whether the wall gets done or not, which isn't something i think a year or two ago you would have heard from a conservative republican, she, at least, and there were nods, have moved on from the wall.
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she wants to see what else is out there and may be possible. they're skeptical about the two sides coming together, and rightfully so. >> i guess. it just shows you, though, the voters -- those four voters, than if you had four members of congress with the same idealogies on this immigration. we are more proof we're more divided in washington than when you find them out in dallas. >> reporter: 100%. couldn't agree more. >> dasha burns in grand rapids, chris jansing in texas. katy tur will be joined by jen psaki right after this break. jen psaki right after this break. the strength of a community. the bonds we build... should never be broken. ♪♪ because it's that strength that finds the courage
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as we come on the air, we're following breaking news. federal investigators have executed search warrants at the manhattan apartment and office of rudy giuliani. we know the feds have been investigating giuliani's dealings in ukraine, specifically whether he broke any lobbying laws while serving as donald trump's personal attorney. but this search, which requires probable cause and approval from a judge, marks a major escalation in that investigation. giuliani has denied doing anything improper. joining me now is msnbc news correspondent robert allen who was outside giuliani's apartment, nbc news national security and internal correspondent ken delaney and correspondent pete alexander and former federal prosecutor and leading contributor, alex


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