tv Way Too Early With Kasie Hunt MSNBC April 28, 2021 2:00am-3:00am PDT
we are not supposed to call it the state of the union. but a state of the union. it starts tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern, i will be here tomorrow night an hour early than i usually am to be apart of that special coverage. "way too early" is up next can kasie hunt. starting today, if you're fully vaccinated and you're outdoors, you need -- and not in a big crowd, you no longer need to wear a mask. the cdc is able to make this announcement because our scientists are convinced by the data that the odds of getting or giving the virus to others is very, very low if you're both been fully vaccinated and out in the open air. so go get the shot. it's never been easier. once you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask when
you're outside and away from big crowds. it's never been easier. president biden announces new cdc guidance on outdoor mask use. the question this morning -- will the chance of gathering outside safely encourage more of us to get vaccinated. the president delivers his first joint address to congress tonight. the question is what will he ask of congress? republican house leader kevin mccarthy side-steps a question about whether conference chair liz yen cheney should remain on the committee. it's "way too early" for this! good morning. welcome to "way too early." the show that is breathing a sigh of relief literally this morning. i'm kasie hunt on this wednesday, april 28th.
we are learning new details about president biden's address to a joint session of congress tonight. a key theme will be the government works. one white official says the address will be something of a victory lap on his administration' handling of the pandemic, the vaccination campaign and the rescue plan including those stimulus checks. it will also be, quote, a sober assessment of what we have been through and, quote, a clear-eyed assessment of the challenges we still face. the white house says racial justice will be another major theme tonight. one official tells nbc news president will make, quote, a push for the senate to take up the police reform bill that has passed the house. senator tim scott is going to deliver the gop response tonight. as far as attendance, there will be no guests in the gallery this year. but lawmakers will be seated there to allow for social
distancing. steve scalise says 25 house members will be president and many freshmen members. prior to his remarks, white house press secretary jen psaki says they will meet with the ones in the capitol during the january 6th attack. friday, the president will visit philadelphia where he will also mark the 50th anniversary of amtrak, a joe biden favorite. joining me now, is senior white house reporter for nbc news digital is shannon petty. thank you for being up for "way too early." what do we know the president is unveiling tonight? a key part of this his american families plan which is potentially the next step in the post-pandemic, fingers crossed,
america. >> right. that and $2 trillion infrastructure plan he has already introduced he has been trying to put pressure on republicans that come to the table and work with him on. his american families plan is focused mostly on child care. it would provide universal pre-k and extend the child tax credit five years but a lot of democrats are pushing it to become permanent. so we expect to see that. we will expect to hear talk about the accomplishments he has made with the vaccine, getting more than 200 million people vaccinated. i think you hit on a key point about showing americans that the government can work for them again and having that be part of the pitch or why the government should be spending trillion
mores on child care programs and it's an opportunity to pup the screws to republicans in front of a prime time audience of millions of people. it's unclear how many republicans are going to be in attendance, how many will be listening. but it will be an opportunity, a very high profile opportunity for president biden to say republicans come to the table, work with me on these issues that have a lot of broad public support. so that is going to be an opportunity for him as well. >> the environment is going to be very, very different inside the chamber with a number of these where we are all looking at the packed crowd, thousands of people inside the house chamber. this year, everyone is going to be socially distancing. i will be in the chamber but have us set up in a careful way and i think that will underscore the content of the speech during
where we are in the pandemic. shannon, stay with us for a second. let's talk about what else we heard from the president yesterday. the centers for disease control and prevention have updated their guidance on mask wearing. fully vaccinated americans can forego on wearing a mask outside in small group settings regardless of others vaccination stats and can walk, run or bike outdoors with members of their household and dine at an outdoor restaurant with friends from multiple households but still wear a mask at a live outdoor event such as a parade or sports event. president biden talked about this yesterday what it means for beating the virus. >> the bottom line is cleared. if you're vaccinated, you can do more things more safely outdoors, as well as indoors. for those who haven't gotten their vaccination yet,
especially if you're younger or thinking you don't need it, this is another great reason to go get vaccinated now. now. yes, the vaccines are about saving your life. but also the lives of the people around you. but they are also about helping us get back to closer to normal in our living, a more normal living. getting together with friends, going to a park for a picnic without needing to mask up. we are back to that place now, as long as you get vaccinated. >> so, shannon, this is, obviously, based on the science and the president underscored this is based on data. there had been growing president to suggest to americans that, yes, there is a lot of good news about getting these vaccines and ways to get back to normal instead of being focused on how
cautious we, obviously, still need to be. how did this come to be? and what are the next steps for the administration on figuring out how to balance these two things in the right way? >> right. president biden had asked americans to wear a mask for the first 100 days. we are approaching his 100th day. obviously they are not advising people to throw their masks in the trash can right now. but an effort to show a little bit of progress and public health officials say it's a combination of seeing the cases starting to go down in most places, as well as the vaccination rates going up with more than half of adults now having at least one shot. i have been thinking about this and if you don't want to get vaccinate or haven't rushed out to get vaccinated yet, you probably are also not wearing a mask when you're out at a park walking your dog. i don't know if this is a big incentive who aren't vaccinated yet to get vaccinated when you
talk about vaccine hesitancy and opposition of masks usually go hand in hands. if you don't know the vaccine yet, i don't know how many people will say now i don't have to wear a mask at the park, why don't i get vaccinated? we will see how much impact it has but it speaks to the broader point of being able to show some progress and the country getting back to the normal that the president is trying to emphasize here. >> hopefully, at the very least every little bit helps. shannon, thank you for being with us this morning. nice to see you. let's stay on that topic after a troubling rise in covid cases in recent weeks across the country. there are now signs that people are beginning to recover. yesterday, cdc director shared some of the positive data and believes the rise in vaccination is contributing to the decline in cases. >> yesterday, cdc reported over 34,600 cases of covid-19.
our seven-day average is over 54,000 cases her day and this represents a really hopeful decline of about 21% from our prior seven-day average. the seven-day average of hospital admissions is just over 5100. again, a positive sign with a deep crease of about 9% from the previous seven-day period. the seven-day average of daily deaths also declined to about 660 per day, a decrease of about 6%. each day, more and more americans are rolling up their sleeves and getting vaccinated and likely contributing to these very positive trends. >> we are getting there. all right. still ahead here, the man who was photographed with his foot on nancy pelosi's desk during the deadly capitol riots is released from jail. plus the investigation into
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welcome back. olympic organizers and the ioc are set to unveil the latest rules how the summer games will operate during the pandemic. the so-called playbook for athletes will be out today. much of the specific planning will remain influx until the final update comes out in june. vaccines are now available, the strategy for the olympics is geared around holding the games in a bubble as if there were none, no vaccines, with athletes limited to the olympic village. according to the a.p. the program will include 450 olympic
athletes and could start as early as next week. the nhl is preparing contingency plans if travel in canada across the u.s. border during the playoffs. the commissioner gary bettman called the situation wildly unpredicted saying where games are playing will depend on the covid and the league will make any adjustments to get the playoffs completed. the league has so far avoided the issue by having all seven canadian nhl teams play in the same division the entire season' the first two rounds of the postseason. interesting way to deal with that. major league baseball appears to be ahead of the curve when it comes to vaccinations. the commissioner rob manfred said yesterday around 70% of players, on-field staff and support personnel have received at least one dose of coronavirus vaccine. the league told players it will
relax protocols once that figure reaches 85% so good news for baseball fans out there. let's turn to the action on the field. career night for the nationals against the blue jays. we pick things up in the bottom of the third. >> bases loaded, one one out. vlady guerrero against max scherzer. blue jays down by three. 2-1. swing and drive! get up, ball! get out of here and grand slam for vlady guerrero jr.! >> guerrero's grand slam comes just over 11 years after a then 25-year-old max scherzer gave up a homer to vlady's father. he is the only pitcher to be taken deep by both father and son. a distinction there for you. it is not over. two innings later, guerrero tagged scherzer again for a solo shot hit deep over the center
field wall. in the bottom of the seventh something dad never did. guerrero rounds out toronto's scoring with his third home run of the game! two-run shot hit off of a washington reliever. the jays win 9-5. guerrero's father later expressed pride for his father in a son tweeting what a night for my boy. all of that hard work is paying off. indeed, it is. time for the weather. here is meteorologist bill karins for a check on the forecast. it's summer in washington, bill. how is the rest of the country looking? >> you get another day of summer. today it will sneak up into the northeast for one day. we have active weather pattern going on. severe weather we are dealing with and flash flooding concerns and all of this is taking place in the central plains. a summer warmth coming up the eastern seaboard and arriving in philadelphia, baltimore, new york city, and even towards hartford today.
talk about the severe weather threat first. thunderstorms in oklahoma and texas. large hail and even damaging winds. northeast and ohio valley a small buffalo from buffalo, erie, the state college is included, small risk of storms later today and damaging wind is the big threat there. if the severe storms don't get us, a flash flood threat there. wichita falls under a flash floo -- flood warning. >> they say the cicadas may come out next week. i'm dreading that! >> i heard that. >> bill karins, thank you so much for being here today. see you tomorrow, my friend. ahead, another sign of
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♪♪ . welcome back to "way too early." it's 5:30 here on the east coast. 2:30 at west. i'm kasie hunt. in his address to a joint session of congress tonight, president biden will formally announce his american families plan that expands health care, child care and education assistance. axios reports that he will ask for congress to pay in the new spending by increasing taxes on the waeltedy including increasing the top marginal tax rate and nearly doubling the capital gains tax. the administration plans to use revenue from the corporate tax increase he announced last month and sets the stage for republicans over spending and taxes. president's plan is expected to
include a funding boost for the irs and the money would be spread out the next decade according to "the new york times." years of budget cuts have forced the irs to scale back the number of employees conducting audits. banks would reportedly have to disclose the amount of money coming into and out of accounts each year. audit rates for households making less than $400 a year are expected to remain the same. the fbi is launching a civil rights investigation into the death of andrew brown jr. brown was shot and killed. the announcement after hours for brown's family released the results of a private autopsy showing he was shot five times, including in the back of the head. the state's autopsy has not yet been released. andrew brown's death certificate
lists the cause of death as a shot to the head and describes the death as a homicide, a medical determination that someone has died at someone's find but not a legal finding that implies criminal intent. nbc news kerry sanders sat down with the family. >> what did you say? >> execution. >> reporter: execution? >> yes. >> reporter: describe it. >> it's horrific. you know, you see a person trying to get away and the cops shoot at them. you know, that is not right. he was in no harm at all. and it's very clear in the video. >> newly released footage shows deputies arriving at the scene of the shooting but doesn't show what happened next. police have said the body cam video does not show the full story. county police have pushed back on suggestions it was, quote, an execution, saying it's unproven
hyperbole that could bias potential jurors if the matter goes to court. neither carolina governor roy cooper is calling for a special prosecutor in the case to, quote. officials in elizabeth city, north carolina, set a curfew last night starting at 8:00 p.m. that ends at 6:00 a.m. today. a judge is also scheduled a hearing today to consider requests for body camera footage to be made public. joining me now, is "the boston globe" columnist kimberly atkins and also an msnbc contributor. good morning and thank you for being here, kimberly. the justice department is taking on a lot of investigations into some of these police-involved shootings. what is your sense of what that says about how the biden administration's approach to handling these very tragic cases is different than what we have seen in recent years?
>> it's remarkably different from the last administration. if you recall, the last administration really brought to a halt the sort of civil rights investigations into police departments that led to things called consent decrees when there have been broad problems found within police districts that the justice department goes in the city and enters an agreement to make changes and we are seeing those investigations take place. in addition to the fbi investigating individual cases such as the one you were talking about here in north carolina to ensure that no civil rights violations took place and that a full investigation is countered. so this justice department is very motivated, very activated and is acting very quickly. we saw attorney general merrick garland himself speaking about the investigation in louisville
that had begun this week in the aftermath of breonna taylor's shooting and to look at that department too. it's a complete 180 from what we saw in the trump administration. >> kimberly, how do you see this playing out in congress? especially tonight in the president's joint address? he is set to announce this additional multitrillion dollar plan and publicing infrastructure plan trying to talk to republicans. tim scott is working with democrats there. how do you think this ties together and will police reform do you think make it through as these other negotiations continue? >> yeah. police reform is difficult. it's always very difficult in congress to push for that because you have such strong opposition from police unions, from the republicans, from others who say that it is really anti-police when, of course, that is not the case.
it is just trying to stop these atrocities we see repeatedly happening push forward. together it's very perilous so i don't know where that lies. it seems very clear from the white house that president biden sees the advantage of his political capital as being really being able to be spent on these infrastructure packages and as well as the american families package as americans are coming out of this pandemic, they know how difficult child care has been the last year and know how difficult it will be to get back on the same economic footing as before the pandemic. that what these things are aimed at like the tax child care credit even though they differ about how to pay for it. that is where joe biden is spending his political capital right now. i think the police reform measure is going to be a lot more difficult for him and that will probably not get the same amount of support that we will see on the other side. >> your podcast, of course,
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hollywood got a little shout-out from the former president of the united states today. apparently, he has been thinking about the oscars down there at mar-a-lago and, today, he committed those thoughts to paper. what used to be called the academy awards and is now called the oscars, a far less important and elegant name had the lowest television rating in recorded history. they they about how to promote the democrat party which is
destroying our country and cancelling republicans and that has not worked with the academy award and that is the end. then he passed out in his oatmeal. instead of tweeting like everybody else you have to fax a statement two days after everyone forgot the oscars happened when you're banned from social media. orson welles 1941 film "citizen kane" the best movie ever made but one has made it from the site rotten tomatoes. soul negative critique as part of its archival project aimed to adding old published reviews to
classic films and brought the movie's score to 99. 1941, describes the film as interesting but too bizarre to be entertaining. the movies now better, quote/unquote, than "citizen kane" include "toy story." "the terminator" and "paddington 2"? while we wait for the anticipation of the cicada, one is coming to florida. they will release genetically modified mosquitoes to be released enter n. after years of planning. they will be released in the
florida keys. they are meant to mate with biting females and any result in offspring will not be able to survive. the project hopes to control the mosquito population from spreading yellow fever. still ahead, we will talk to congresswoman debbie dingell before she heads to the capitol tonight for president biden's address. let's look at this date in history. muhammad ali was stripped of his title after he refused to be inducted into the armed forces so he was stripped of his title. >> mr. muhammad ali has refused to be inducted into the united states armed forces. his refusal is being made to the united states doctor and state director of a selective service system and they order for whatever action to be deemed appropriate. action to be deemed appropriate.
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are you confident about the security? >> yes, i am. i actually had a very strong briefing. i said i wish i had had this briefing before january 6th, but we insisted on knowing every detail of it. actually, most of our, shall we say, limitations spring from covid, not from as much from security. it will be its own wonderful character. no, i'm not worried at all. we went from 1,600 people to 200 people. this is a different dynamic but it has its own worth. >> different, indeed. that was nancy pelosi yesterday weighing on president biden's up coming address to congress. joining me now, is debbie
dingell of michigan and invited a health care worker from her state as a guest for the president's address tonight. thank you for getting up early for us. we really appreciate it. you've attended many of those addresses. i've been in the gallery watching for many of them. this one is going to feel and look completely different because there are only 200 people allowed in the chamber as you heard there from the speaker, she seemed less about security. they have secured many of these events in the past and everything has gone fine. but what are your concerns medicining into the enk and what are you hoping to hear from the president? >> first of all, i don't have concerns from someone that thinks we got to go on living and i know that january 6th still is in the minds of everybody but this is being run by the secret service, the men and women of all the different arms of law enforcement, the national guard, et cetera, are
working hard and doing their job. and i'm putting that job in their hands. tonight is about -- it's going to be virtual. my guest is virtual also. as you mentioned. this is tonight about talking to the american people across the country which is what almost any joint of congress is about. maybe less drama do i sit down, sit, fight, fight, fight? it's not happening tonight. that's what you feel like sometimes. you know that. it's inside that chamber. i think tonight is a night for the president to talk about his first 100 days. i think even if you're on the other side, even there has been less drama in this country, the pandemic is not totally under control. i come from michigan. we are coming out of a surge. our hospitals are still full. we have children. but people are getting vaccinated. he doubled his goal. he is going to talk about what covid has meant to this country.
but, you know, he uses the phrase, used it during his campaign, we need to build back better. so now he is going to lay out his vision what the next few months will be about. he talked about the american jobs program. this morning we are hearing about the american family program. these are programs. he will outline his vision tonight and they are we will have to really talk about what is going to happen, where is it going to go and how we will make it happen. it's a really important programs like rebuilding our roads and bridges. getting broadband in. a lot of the problems we have seen a light shined on during this pandemic, we need to address now. >> congresswoman, there is a little bit of news from one of my former colleagues here at nbc in "the washington post" about how the president is going to handle the issue of immigration tonight and that is one we had an nbc poll out over the last couple of days that shows that is one issue where president biden is struggling with the
american public and it's something that we have seen affect election results, quite frankly, and heading into 2022, clearly republicans want to make an issue of this. what do you want to hear from him? i mean, the story suggests he may talk about y suggests he may talk about about a path to citizenship potentially, a commitment to overhauling ouren nation's immigration laws. how tough is themi needle to thread for president biden on this issue? >> you know, this has been a needle thats has been tough fo many presidents. quite frankly, congress, both sides of the aisle have failed to deliver on a comprehensive immigration plan. we need one. it is a thorny issue, but you know the fact of the matter is we are all immigrants. we're not that old a country, 200 years and most, not all, native american were here, most of us came from another country. and by the way, we have shortages h in jobs. we have agriculture farmers that are desperate for work.
we have ade lot of other industries that are desperate for peopleri to work and yet we haveo issues on the border. when you see these children, it is absolutely one of the moral issues of our time. so, what i want to see is the president -- i think history is bringing people together from diverse backgrounds that have different opinions, putting them at a table, trying to find common ground. and i want to see him lay it out. i want to seela it as one of hi priorities in the next few months. and i want all of us, republicans andf democrats, to acknowledge we, too, have a responsibility. it's time to pass a comprehensive immigration reform package, get itat done, put it behind us, enforce it. >> certainly an issue that as you point outth bedevilled many presidents and congresses in the lasten 20 years. congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan. i'm
sure i'll see you at the capitol later on tonight. earlier in the show, we
asked all of you? why are you awake? mike writes i get up early to do moon photography. here is the moon passing behind the maryland state house. why, that's beautiful. it's a winter alignment that only occurs few times a year, often at times way too early. great time for that shot. that's awesome. jasmine tweeted this i'm up early tod feed the hungry ducklings from the riverng waitg at my door. oh, hi, guys. carol emails, she's up doing my taxes and i'm on a roll so i figure i better continue before i put it off again. i hear that. watching this or morning. and coming up next, we're going to take a look at the axios one big thing. coming upin on "morning joe," congresswoman ill hanmo omar jos the conversation. plus, an interview with former secretary
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axios a.m., the cofounder mike allen. what's the one big thing? >> the axios one big thing is biden's secret talks with the gop. so kasie, there's a chance that there is going to be more of a bipartisan approach to infrastructure than there was to the covid emergency bill. so, kasie, on this second big package, we're told that several republican senators are having behind the scenes conversations with top white house officials including the top white house official chief of staff ron klain seeing if there's some deal that they can make on infrastructure. so kasie, one idea they're floating is in a first package to draw those ten republican senators votes, could you limit it to traditional infrastructure, what republicans have been wanting, roads, bridges, airports, and leave out other packages.
there's room for a deal and these talks go beyond last time which was more photo op or media in the oval office. these seem to be real conversations. >> if there they're worth keeping secret, that makes some sense to me, mike. do you know if there's a time line on these talks? i think there's some democrats on the hill who don't want to drag this out? are there setting memorial day deadline, end of summer deadline to see if they can get these people on board? >> no, kasie, you're also hearing that they hope to do it this summer. a little bit this is flash back to the obama administration when they realized that when things drag out too long, if you get past labor day, then suddenly you're in next year, then you're suddenly in the mid terms. so, they're hoping to get this done before summer is over. >> so, mike, you guys are also
reporting on another question which it looks at the tech giants and the challenges that they're facing overseas, the regulations that are coming overseas. we obviously here in america have not taken these steps in a significant way yet. how do you see those moves abroad affecting us here at home? >> yeah, kasie, it's a sign of our times that the biggest event on capitol hill yesterday was a hearing on algorithms, trying to reach into the black box. what axios is reporting is that governments around the world are being much more aggressive, quicker, more innovative in regulating tech. so overseas you're seeing the european union trying to regulate artificial intelligence. you're seeing governments trying to block mergers. you're seeing governments trying to increase taxes. and yesterday we had the senate democratic whip, senator dick
durbin saying why is the eu being so much more aggressive and quicker than we are. that's a window into the mood on capitol hill they want to do more. interestingly enough, the tech companies also want regulation from d.c. because they would rather have d.c. set the standard than other governments around the world and they want some sort of a global system as opposed to different rules every place they operate. >> it's frankly a real test of the functioning of our government, can we actually keep up with the pace of the technology changes. so far we've failed to do it. so it's going to be really interesting to see if they can finally pull it off. mike allen, thank you as always for being up early with us. i of course am getting ready for a joint address to congress that's going to look a lot different. i'll be in the chamber tonight covering it for nbc news, but there are only a couple hundred people in that room and watching
to see how that dynamic affects president biden around the message he delivers to the american people will be an interesting test tonight. thank you so much for getting up way too early with us on this wednesday morning. don't go anywhere. "morning joe" starts right now. the oath that i took to the constitution compelled me to vote for impeachment and it doesn't bend to partisanship. it doesn't bend to political pressure. >> if donald trump were the 2024 nominee, would you support him? >> i would not. >> okay. liz cheney, very good catching up with you. >> liz cheney -- >> pregnant pause there. >> yeah, exactly. like i'm not sure what to do with that. liz cheney staying the course when it comes to her defense of the u.s. constitution. it's easy for her. let's see if every republican can do that. >> trump and i we've had a hell of a journey. i hated to end this way. oh my god i hate it. from my point of view h