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tonight on a limb. what message were you sending by wearing a mask outside? >> watching me take it off and not put it back on until i get inside. >> big news on masks in america, tonight doctor fauci is here to explain the brand new cdc guidelines, and what you don't need to call the police and children and masks. and then another major move by the department of justice, to reform policing in america. plus what exactly is going on with the dhs investigation into domestic violent extremists within its ranks. and another day another state moves to make voting harder. tonight harris county judge and the push to curb voting in
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texas cities. in the man who stopped trump in court during the election is back on the case, suing states for suppressing the boat. when all in starts now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. after over a year of wearing masks, just about everywhere. today the centers for disease control and prevention announced new guidelines on mask-wearing. they put up this handy graphic explaining one and where one needs to wear a mask. so if you look at that column on the right, that's vaccinated people. they are all green there. today per new cdc guidelines, fully vaccinated people are basically free to go without a mask, almost everywhere outdoors. except in crowds. of course, that's always been true, everything the cdc issues or just recommendations. you're always free to do that. we will put this graphic up on our facebook page so you can check it out, and look at the guidance there. this new guidance though is a big step towards normalcy. in fact i'll talk to anthony fauci about that in just a
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moment. this announcement comes in the context of, i have to say a weird cultural war about wearing masks outside. some on the right and started to rage in recent weeks and months. and now they've been waging a cultural war against max in the beginning, burning them and calling them tyranny. in this case, they are not really off-base on the science. we know that walking down the sidewalk, are breaking through a park without a mask, are very low risk activities. because of the way the virus spreads. outdoors is way better than indoors, and if you're not really close to people for sustained periods of time, it's pretty low risk. that's unless you are packed in with a whole bunch of people which does happen outside sometimes. vaccines now in the mix, outdoor activities are even less more of a concern. but it's also a case that over the past year, as we all navigated the draining, stressful, at times terrifying anxiety inducing months of once in a century pandemic, that produced the deadliest year in american history, that's killed 577,000 of our fellow americans
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and counting to this day. the mask, became a form of social solidarity. it's one of the easiest, lowest cost tools we have to stop the spread of a respiratory virus. and again, it is not new. back in 1918 during the flu epidemic, everyone from barbers to office workers to baseball players, wore cloth masks, to help prevent the spread of the disease. it is pretty rudimentary basic germ theory. we understood it more than 100 years, ago a mask helps prevent droplets that may contain the virus, from going out into the air around us. and for those aerosols where other people can breathe it in. i should also know that people in the rain are also correct when they point out that a lot of public health experts and officials got the utility mask very wrong in the beginning of the pandemic. but masking makes sense, and after some initial confusion public health experts pushed, it sort of political leaders. and even republicans, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, all trying to build the social
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norm in the midst of this awful pandemic. to slow the transmission of the virus. because of the way the american politan work, especially the way right-wing media works, masks got turned into this insane cultural war. we saw anti mask protests, claiming masks were a sign of tyranny and conspiracy theories going wild. children wearing masks were being kidnapped and couldn't tell you. mass will make you sick. doctor anthony fauci is in the with the rothschilds, bill gates is trying to implant microchips in your body, and on and on and on. it continues to this day. the truly unhinge stuff, worrying stuff, coming from the biggest platform for dangerous misinformation out. there last night the highest rated personality on murdoch's cable network, told his viewers to call a police if they see a child in a mask outdoors. they were forcing children to wear masks outside, that should be illegal. your response when you see children wearing masses they play, should be no different
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than your response seeing someone beat a kid at walmart. called the police immediately. contact filed protective services. keep calling until someone arrives. which you're looking at is abuse. it's child abuse. and you are morally obligated to attempt to prevent it. >> it's either trolling or it's someone in the midst of a genuine breakdown, or it's evil. or some combination of all three. but it's, we all recognize that psychotic. that's how psychotic it has got and. we are the people who believe in liberty, you and the left to even tyranny, but we're going to call the cops if you put a mask on your kid and have them take away your kids. cool. the mask, though, it's true it's kicking on a symbolic residents on both sides of this. amidst the unending campaign of disinformation, and downright cruelty from the former president, all the way to the world of right-wing media. telling americans and pushing the miracle malaria cure, which was really a crazy and
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destructive period, which could going for a long time. to telling people, particularly senior citizens, judges get out on to the battlefield like warriors. and sacrifice your life so donald trump can get reelected. in all the people that were part of that. all that disinformation being pumped into people, they are partly responsible, for hundreds of thousands of deaths. and the worst responses to the virus among wealthy nations worldwide. and we were all traumatized by the. we also all learned, after months and months of claims that things were going to get better any day now, and we're turning the corner, and in two weeks will each, or in the churches will be full. it was much better and more prudent, more realistic, to expect the worst-case scenario. because the worst-case scenario is likely going to pan out. but we are in a different phase of this fight. look at where we are in this graph of the new cases per day in the u.s.. it seems like we have avoided a fourth wave, which looked like in my. happened mission got pretty good bad there. there is a beginner uptake but we are on a downward trend. and no vaccinations in the last
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week or two have slackened a bit we ended this new phase where we're trying to get people who are a little more hesitant or harder to reach. we are still vaccinating at an impressive pace. averaging 2.7 million doses per day, 232 million doses administered so far. after having one of the worst responses in the world. the u.s. is actually having one of the best vaccine rollouts. and so there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic. there's a lot of good news happening. i don't tend to view politics from a first person prism, because covering politics is my job. but on a personal level i would say, joe biden said he would try to get kids back in school, and you know, my kids went back to school this. week within the first hundred days of the biden administration. for least some public school parents, like yours truly, promises made, promises kept. it's great to see. as we enter this uncertain phase, it feels weird for a lot of people. i think across the elijah glycol spectrum and a lot of places, we have all's built up these instinct to protect
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ourselves, after enduring genuine trauma for more than a year. in a lot of people mourning the losses of the people they love, to a new longer with us. many of us suspicious of taking your foot off the gas, of easing up on the rains. but it really does look like we're beating this thing. we are suppressing the virus. the vaccines are incredible. and the reward for this, is we can now start to do some of the things we've missed. today's new mask guidance is an example of that. i'm happy to have doctor anthony fauci with us tonight. he's the director of national institute of allergy and infectious diseases at the national institute of health. i know doctor fauci, you are distinct from the cdc, but because you're part of the team advising on this, just talk us through the process that produces this kind of guidance, like the one that was released today. >> it's a realization, a relative risk. it has become very clear, when
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you look at the data that is accumulated, and i've said so many times, the cdc is a science based organization. and they will likely and almost always make a decision or a recommendation based on either data or modeling, or expert opinion. in the data became clear, that the risk being outdoors is very low. if you are vaccinated, it's extremely low. so they decided, as they did when they made the statement and the recommendation, that vaccinated people indoors with another vaccinated person, does not have to wear a mask. and can have physical contact. there been a lot of questions about how you can do outdoors. and it's very clear now as you showed on the charge chris, that there are many things that common sense likely would've told you you could do, that have now been quantified, where you have an organization made up of the best epidemiologist in the world. and they've come to the conclusion that the risk is so
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low that you can do the kind of things outdoors, if you are vaccinated. and then you see on the other side of the chart, they contrast and compare with things that you can do, and things that are a bit risky if you still are unvaccinated. so the message that i see, in that chris, is get vaccinated get vaccinated a, because it's going to protect you. protect your family, and help protect society. but also it will open up for you, the kind of things to know that you are doing them really quite safely. so it's a good thing all around, what's been done, and what you will see chris, is as the weeks go by. and more and more data are collected about individuals who are vaccinated, if they may get infected without symptoms, how low is the level of virus in the nasal fair next, is it so low that they would most certainly not affect someone else, you might see an upgrading of the recommendations to go even further.
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this is another step in the right direction, of how we can start getting back to normal. >> i want to follow up impress on a question here which i think it's to the root of some of the debate about, this in some peoples uncertainty. it seems to me there's a distinction between with the science the best that we have it which is incomplete and uncertain in a changing world with a novel private virus, you could get a sense of what the risk is. okay the risk of this kind of outdoor activity is acts. some numerical estimate of your odds of getting the coronavirus. the question of what is tolerable risk, is not really a scientific question. that's a social question that's a political question, it's a question for policymakers the science tells you what the risk is, the question society answers what's tolerable. i think the balance between those two is really what is driving some of this debate, about what we can and cannot do. i'm curious to hear you talk about that. >> i think you mentioned it a
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bit ago, when you talk about what i referred to as relative risk, and what's the level of risk, that a person is how risk adverse is a person. in fact you may have people, remember you said at the top of the show, that these are really recommendations by the cdc. there is not any policing for any requirement, they are recommendations. and there are some people, who feel, that the risk is so low. that they would in fact, go and take a step into that yellow or that red zone, because they feel as far as they are concerned, they are willing to take the risk. nobody is going to stop them from doing that, but this one issue that i think escapes many people. and it's worth mentioning chris. is that you do not live in a vacuum. and we are trying to get an outbreak under control. so even though, let's say the hypothetical. i'm a person now who is vaccinated, or not vaccinated, and i decide that i'm going to
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do something, that isn't a very red zone of what the cdc is saying, cause they say, i'm a healthy person, if i get in the infection it's very unlikely that i will get seriously ill. it doesn't stop with you. because if you get infected, you have to realize that you may inadvertently and totally innocently, infect someone else, who might be a vulnerable person. who might get very sick. and also, your propagating the dynamics of the outbreak so try to look at it, is that here's the risk according to what the cdc says the data. if you want to vary on either side of that because you are even more risk adverse, or less, you can do it. but understand the consequences for yourself, and for your responsibility to society. >> the social aspects of, this it also strikes me is very important. and that is the base rate of transmission matters tremendously. when we are thinking about risk. if you are a vaccinated person,
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and you say i'm fully vaccine, do you want to be in the u.s. right now or india. where would your odds of getting covid be more. a place that has a lot of community transmission, you are going to have higher odds. we want to break the back of community transmission have as a collective undertaking as part of this project. >> exactly. >> chris you hit the nail right on the head. and that's in fact, i'm glad you said that cause i couldn't tell if you are saying with frustration with what i was saying, or agreement. >> no no. i'm sighing in agreement chris, because that's exactly the point we are making. right now, we have had for quite a while, a seven-day average of about 60,000 new infections per day. fortunately, and we predict this i predicted this if we keep getting vaccinated every day, more and more people get
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vaccinated, you'll see a turning around and that curve. in the cases will start coming down. and in fact over the last couple of, days it's been 30,000. i hope that's a trend, i believe it is, so the lower and lower you get, that impacts the risk in the community. so if you are going to go out to a restaurant, and you say, i don't mind the risk, i'm not that risk adverse, and you go out to a restaurant, where there are 60 disseminate thousand new infections per day, versus going to that same restaurant, when there are 15,000 infections, you have a much less of a chance, within that framework, a relative riski that framework, a relative ris we don't have a made urgency use agreements for fda approval vaccines for kids under 16 so
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they can't be vaccinated. they have to mask, obviously indoors. the question of like what we do with kids and how safe is outdoor play amongst kids? the masking are not at the playground, how should we think about that? >> i think it's the same context that we just discussed about the level and the community. right now, it's a level high enough at the cdc would feel very uncomfortable as do i about saying no problem, let the kids go out without masks because we can say and, it's been said and it's true the children, when you talk about it's this statistically have a much lower chance of getting infected to the point where they would get seriously ill. that's true. but they could still be part of the dynamics of the spread, so you don't want children to get infected, a because you don't want them to get sick even though it's a low chance that they will. but you don't want them to be part of the spread and the dynamics of the outbreak. you want to keep getting those
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numbers down. that's why we have children wearing masks with their outside until they get vaccinated. >> you and i have talked about a timeline before specifically around the thing that i missed probably the most of pre-covid life which is playing pick up basketball indoors with people and we talked about the safety of that. you at one point said we're looking at winter of 2021 sometime in that november december age where you and i could maybe play a little pick up or i could play pick up, i don't know. it depends on if you're still game. point being, are we closer now given the rate that we've been vaccinating at? it seems to me like we vaccinated our way and that seems more possible sooner than it was when i talk to maybe six months ago. >> absolutely. again chris, it gets back to the situation of why it's so
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important for as many people as quickly as possible to get vaccinated, because the more people to get vaccinated the lower level. right now, given the guidelines that the cdc came out and clarified that. if you are vaccinated and i'm vaccinated, we can play a pickup game tomorrow. i'll probably destroy you but that's okay but we can play a pickup game tomorrow. >> famous -- famous reaches point guard, anthony fauci talking that trash as i'm sure he did. in the mean streets of rockland -- doctor anthony fauci that was illuminating i think this stuff can be hard because the questions are complicated and nuanced and sensitive as we go into this next chapter, but i feel hopeful and i thank you for taking the time for explaining some of that. >> thanks a lot, good to be with you chris. >> okay, talk soon. next, what an independent autopsy revealed about the death of andrew brown jr., a
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black man shot and killed by police last week and why we still are waiting for the release of that body cam footage. what it signals that the fbi has now announced they're stepping in after this. ♪ ♪
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tonight as i speak to a city north carolina where sheriff deputy was shot and killed a black man was serving a warrant for his arrest on felony drug charges last week.
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an independent up top sea commissioned by the family found that he was killed by a bullet but to the back of the head. the autopsy also found brown was shot four times in the right arm. now less than an hour after those results, the fbi announced it was opening a federal civil rights investigation into the killing of andrew brown jr.. there's a hearing out tomorrow morning when a judge will decide to release the body cam footage to the public. they were only shown 20 seconds of that footage, but they described what they saw as an execution. >> -- is the executive detector -- discriminatory policy licensing for decades and he joins me now. vince, i want to start with the fbi announcement because it strikes me as pretty notable. we had a few announcements, we have the attorney general announcing last week in minneapolis. then yesterday, announcing patterns of practice
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investigation in louisville. now, those are both after big high-profile controversies in those cities around policing. this is the fbi, federal civil rights investigation being announced in the midst of the controversy, right? the local government still hasn't acted. does that send a message? does that have a kind of force on the ground? >> oh, i think it definitely does chris. you know, historically, it's taken the fbi and the doj relatively long time as things were swirling around for them to decide politically or otherwise to be able to do those types of investigations and i think that as we now have body cameras and phones what we are at least aware in the public in realtime about these horrible killings that are happening, a similar thing is happening i think on the department of justice and fbi in which is now that there in the public sphere and there's pressure that's happening in the streets around these killings demanding answers, i
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think we're beginning to see the fbi move a little bit quicker. i also think it's important to note that you're right that very often the fbi will have a parallel investigation that connects with and sometimes who is after a state or local base investigation. but here, we see that they are not waiting at all and in fact there's a bit of foot dragging happening with the tapes that are coming out and the fbi is jumping in and they're like, let's go in what to do this now. >> that's exactly -- again this dynamic is something i've been reading through the news here and there's been sort of agitations in the sheriff's department dragging their feet, they've been selected by another family feels that they were given kind of the bait and switch about how much footage they were going to see and how much will be released. they've expressed that frustration and it strikes me that these jurisdictional questions, they matter a lot to law enforcement. it's a big deal in my reporting life, when i look at law enforcement group of police officers or sheriffs have the
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feds show up, that means something. it makes people kind of stand up straight and away. >> the last thing that they want is the feds to be able to come in. and i think that not even think they nefariously but with local politics, everyone knows each other and everyone knows how things work. they know who to talk to who not to talk to. the feds come in and it feels a lot like a scorched earth on the ground and there is really no one nowhere to hide and that local folks are in peril if they're talking with each other and not talking to the fbi so it really changes the game on the ground. >> there's kind of a deeper history here, and it's worth discussing ended like to get your thoughts on it, right? and through much of the civil rights movement the department of justice get started in the right construction era. one of the first things it does is it prosecutes the plan. it prosecutes federal cases and southern states, the old confederacy which they can't get juries to convict essentially white supremacist terrorists who are attempting to, you know, maraude black
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folks into not voting or not participating in democracy. the department of justice plays a crucial role as well in some of these local jurisdictions that are resistant to other prosecution so there is a long history here about federal enforcement of civil rights when local jurisdictions are not living up to equal justice under law. >> oh, yeah and that's the whole point of federal power and they take things out of locality, out of municipality, out of the way that everyone knows the things work and you apply federal law which is applicable to all of those jurisdictions and the feds will come in and the department of justice has had that very history when during the civil rights era where the worst thing you could do would be as a civil rights practitioner is to face local judges, face local mayors, local governors.
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that klan network and that sort of thing. and the department of justice has really symbolize the idea that there's a new sheriff in town and they are actually pulling these federal rights and i think it's the modern era, even going into rodney king and the rodney king beating gives the department of justice new power to practice in cases to this current era where i think it's pretty clear that nobody trusts the local police themselves and because of all of the accidents that's happening, folks on the street really creating that pressure that you see in places like louisville where both the police chief and the mayor of louisville are like yeah, we're up into the feds coming in taking a look at our police department here. these are really big changes that i think are actually being spurred by the activism that's happening on the ground, black lives matter. the folks that are in connection with them and people just not really willing to take
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one more black death at the hands of police officers for no reason. i should note here, i don't want to suggest that there is some cover-up or something toured happening in the sheriff's department or the municipal government in north carolina. that's a historical point. simply that federal investigators have a sort of power, and outside earnest as you said that can be very useful in some of these cases. and can change the behavior on the ground. he has a lot of experience in this area, thank you so much for sharing it with us. >> thanks chris appreciated. >> ahead, what this headline sink in for a second. the department of homeland security has launched an internal investigation to assess the threat of violent extremist ideology, within the department. in the wake of the january 6th attack. in the within the department. new reporting on exactly what's happening next. w reporting on exactly what' happening next happening next to great teeth... is having healthy gums. keep yours healthy with new crest advanced gum restore.
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that flew a little under the radar yesterday, but really stuck with me. the department of said it will conduct an internal review to address the threat of domestic violent extremism, within the department of homeland security. dhs, which includes customers and border protection, the coast guard, secret service, is concerned about violent extremism inside its own department. apparently. there have been so overt signs of extremism over the years. including a border patrol facebook group with over 9000 members, were agents joked about migrant deaths and shared derogatory comments about latino lawmakers. in earlier this year dhs confirmed american neo-nazi terror leader, who is now based in russia, found a group called the base, which is based on al-qaeda, which means basin arabic. he was employed by the department from 2000 for the 2006. in an interview a new york times, dhs secretary declined
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to say how many active members of his department have been identified is taking part in the capital, riot citing continue investigations. that's a declined to answer that i don't, know raises some questions for, me about what led to this investigation, and what is going on in that department. he has extensively covered the department -- including infiltrating that infamous border patrol facebook group, he joins me now. ryan you have been on this before a while. i imagine the announcement did not come as a surprise to, you i'm still curious as to what your reaction, was what's your sense of where this is coming is. >> that's right chris, it did not come as a surprise. it would actually be more concerning to me, if the secretary did not take some sort of action like this. after what we've seen over these past several years. some of the examples you laid out there in. the beginning of the segment. where we had the border patrol facebook group, nearly 10,000 members.
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10:15 was the name of the group. and it was some of the most vile content that i have seen online, and it was agents current and former asians, joking about roasting on a migrant children over an open flame, talking about committing violence against city lawmakers, and time in those lawmakers were visiting their border patrol stations. and i think probably most concerning. was last summer during the george floyd protests, we got access to some files and dhs -driven intelligence that was being circulated around the country at the time, regarding protests. and there were serious intelligence indicating far-right threats to protesters, to black lives matter demonstrations. and what we learned, was that those internal red flags that were raised at the time, were according to the head of dhs and its intelligence, and
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analysis office, according to a whistleblower statement, downplayed by the very heads of his department. in order to sort of amplify the threat from the left, that president trump was amping at the time. it's been clear for a while that there is a politicization, in a problem with homeland security, and a politicization towards the far-right. like i said, not surprised. i think this is going to be a challenging task for the secretary to undertake. but clearly, a necessary one. >> it's funny, we say politicization because it gets to what i think is tricky here in difficult. in terms of first amendment terrain. you can be a member in good standing of the federal government workforce, you can have any politics you want. within some boundaries, right. you can't be an open insurrectionist. you have to pledge or not a communist, i think that still exists. but you don't want to concrete a condition in which essentially there is a political test, for office. and you don't want to attack
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peoples first amendment protected freedoms, to express what they have and have not. at the same time, what feels like a kind of process of radicalization, particularly in cbp and how they put out statements and how they supported trump, it feels pretty worrying >> that's absolutely correct and i think that is going to be the extremely difficult line, for this administration. and for them to walk. here balancing the first amendment rights, of personnel within the department of homeland security and the very real risks of having radicalized people responsible, for the detention of some of the most vulnerable populations in this country it's worth keeping in mind, we are talking about cbp, we are talking about the largest police force essentially, in the united states. we are talking about dhs, we're talking about a massive department. it's huge and these folks are
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not only responsible for border in immigration enforcement, they are also disseminate line forsman intelligence. at the local law enforcement around the country, so they are helping to shape how cops on the ground are seeing protesters, how they are seeing threats in their community. and they are of course responsible for national security matters. so yes, it's really important to keep in mind the first amendment issues here, we also have to keep in mind that this is a frontline line forsman and national security agency. and it's critically important that it is not infiltrated, for example by the leader of a neo-nazi organization, like you talked about at the top of the segment. >> and i should say, i want to read too much into why they're declines answer that question, we know that a trump administration official, from the state department was among those arrested in the capital. there have been i believe dozens, at least a dozen or more line forsman, local police
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of various tribes who have been arrested as well. nypd officer who allegedly attacked a cop, but he saying he would answer the question about food from dhs was there. what's striking as the didn't say the answer. >> it's important to keep in mind, when we do this investigation into the border patrol facebook group, but this is only one investigation among many, in which journalist has found themselves in a secret social media group, belonging to some segment of law enforcement, in which terrible sort of really hard rate things are being shared. and what's these individuals think is a safe space. so there is an issue with law enforcement. that this sort of stuff arguably is happening below the surface. and i think it's important to address it. i think it's about time for the
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department of homeland security to take this seriously. it's worth to keep in mind that in 2009, with intelligence analysts in this department. warned about a merging far-right threat, in response to the light reelection of the first black president, and his reform was sort of buried amid outrage from conservative republicans. and he was driven out of the department a lot of what he was warning about at the time, came to permission. that was the department of homeland security. it is a long time coming for dhs. >> brian deborah who's a fantastic reporter and has been a great reporter and this piece specifically. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. >> still to come after a turnout surge in texas during the 2020 election, republicans are now trying to restrict voter access. harris county judge in voting rights lawyer extraordinaire mark alliance are here. and that's just ahead. are here and that's just ahead. and that's just ahead.
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county continue to keep trump's lie alive nearly six months after losing the states joe biden. this is once again we're showing to you a live look on the ongoing at this moment recount of the 2020 presidential ballots and maricopa county. they began last friday after republicans in the arizona senate basically subpoenaed those ballots and then hired a private company to audit the more than 2 million ballots. only in the states -- here's the thing, joe biden flips arizona by just over 10,000 votes. maricopa county officials have already completed multiple audits and views of the election at the secretary of state's office said that the results were certified and this review won't change that. and here we are -- they hired this cybersecurity firm, lots unheard of the guy associated with it tweeted stop the steal and now they are trying to recount donald trump
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maybe to a pretend win. meanwhile, the widespread lie about a stolen election which is settled in the psyches of millions of republicans conservatives has resulted in republican state houses introducing voter restrictions and more than 40 states. the latest bill from florida who's already with the state senate and they were filled with drop boxes and limits on who can collect and drop off ballots. it criminalizes handing out food and water to those waiting in line to vote. two people will beat trump in the courts, the ballot box are fighting this fight too. they'll join me after the break. e after th break. advanced gum restore. it's clinically proven to detoxify below the gum line, and it restores by helping heal gums in as little as seven days. because you can't have a healthy smile, without healthy gums.
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just imagine what it can do with other odors. there's an ongoing effort in
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multiple states by republicans to undermine voter trust and use that itself to change voter procedures to make it harder to vote until the field to help
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republicans keep winning elections. the sham process taking place in arizona, an april recount to figure out who really won the state last november but by previous reviews showed no signs of reasonable doubt. president biden's victory. and yesterday, we reported on a pair of voting bills that are being pushed that would make texas one of the harder states in the country to cast a ballot. -- has remarkable record of success fighting against voting restrictions by his own count, he and his colleagues have won 64 cases to date since the election and the most targeted seem to rollback voting procedures in the states largest county is harris county judge -- and both mark and lena joins me. let me start with you, mark, in terms of what is going on in the litigation space right now which i have a hard time tracking because you guys are suing so many places at once. what is the kind of the
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battlefield from your perspective look like right now? >> look, where facing an assault across the country and the total number of anti-voting bills have been introduced increase in the number of states have been introduced increased so far we've brought litigation in iowa which is the first state to pass a bill that make it harder to vote in person, and make it harder to vote early and vote by mail, make it harder to register to vote and shorten the election date by an hour. the next state was georgia which was passed for a law that not everyone in the audience is familiar with on behalf of black voters matter and new georgia project and then finally montana past a restrictive voter and college students and also rolling back election day registration and brought a lawsuit there the day that it was the democratic
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party and so i wish i could say that these three lawsuits were the end of the end or even the end of the beginning but unfortunately we're still at the beginning of the beginning because republicans are planning equally or worse laws in texas, florida, missouri, arizona, new hampshire, you name it. a place where republicans control legislature and they plan on restructuring voting rights because they can't win the majority at the ballot box. >> we'll talk about taxes, although i wouldn't say what makes this change is they win -- in iowa and montana and texas and they think that they can't. but they can also win if lots of people vote which was born out actually by this last election, which makes part of it so perverse as well. judges all go, you won the largest county in texas if i'm not mistaken i want to talk about some of the things you county did to expand voting and to stress this points to expand voting for everyone in the
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county, no matter their affiliation, no matter who they vote for there is a lot of republicans in the county who probably made use of these tools. >> absolutely chris. and we invested in voting expansion that led to the largest turnout in 30 years and the third largest county in the nation, largest county in texas that we had drive-through voting, 24-hour voting, we triple the number of the voting locations and it did serve both parties. both parties had record turnout, frankly the democrats didn't do as well as we thought we would and it was interesting because we have an election going on right now. some municipal election. we have director voting still and i went to visit our busiest drive-through voting location. interestingly, it is in a very republican area and it's the busiest by far. it is folks who are working parents, seniors, drive-through and we're seeing the sense that
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if they suppress the vote of course their calculus is going to hurt democrats more than republicans but frankly it hurts everybody. >> yeah, i want to just read this great anecdote about the voting booth with i thought was an incredible innovation from the new york times. at 11 pm before the election, miss douglas the woman they were interviewing joint fast food workers, construction workers, and other late shift workers in the energy arena in the county where more than 10,000 people cast their ballots in a single night. just a follow-up not go back to you mark, it seems like the legislation making its way through the state capital is really targeted at you specifically. the elephant in the room here is what harris did. they didn't like it, they would like to give themselves the tools to essentially override you doing this kind of thing in the county. is that your and are standing in the legislation? >> yeah, it will let me say a couple things. first there are other issues that go beyond what we did in harris county and the bills
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proposed are just dangerous. for example, one of the provisions we allow watchers, partisan activists to get as close as they want to to voters inside the rotation and video record them and the poll worker would not be allowed to intervene lest they re-charged with a misdemeanor. but yes, i mean the bills say basically a county with over 1 million people we've got 5 million and then they target specifically are innovations and the most oppressive state for voting. we've innovated, right? and they are using that innovation to turn democracy, to turn voting into a wedge issue as opposed to celebrating the spirit of innovation and participation. we showed that we can have convenience and security. participation for everybody. that should be celebrated. >> and there's a dynamic here, mark, that we saw a little bit
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in the georgia legislation, right? which is being able, there's a sort of interesting thing right so you've got the states that are republican controlled at the state level but there are counties controlled by the democrats which is usually the energy that's controlling elections and georgia wants to be able to kind of move people off the county boards. we all know the county to thinking of and we see it here in texas. this seems like a sort of cutting edge thing happening. >> absolutely. you know, for a party that supposedly celebrates federalism in local control the republican party all of a sudden seems to want to consolidate election administration at the state level and it's precisely to prevent the kinds of amazing innovations that we saw and harris. in harris county in some respects should be modest i mean this is one of the hardest states to vote and what she and her team did and finding innovative ways to serve voters so that in the middle of the pandemic they wouldn't be running along lines was nothing
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less than heroic. and we are seeing that around the country election officials in these densely populated urban counties having to show the kind of ingenuity that makes america great and yet it's the mega crowd at the state level that wants to come in and prevent that or take over their counties to keep those long lines in place. >> quickly, are the lawsuits largely state lawsuits? are you saying suing on state grounds or constitutional grounds? >> they're all on federal constitutional grounds. denial of the right to vote, denial of the protection clause, violation of the 15th amendment. >> we got a past election legislation. i think we should get the voting rights act. >> and hr1 and the voting rights act in my life will be much easier in the republicans will stop complaining if they see me too much in court. >> perfect. mark ally us, linda thank you for making time tonight i
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really appreciate it. just want to recap our top story breaking news tonight. doctor anthony fauci explained why the cdc -- mask guidelines. he says are pick up basketball game is getting close to happening. he is also proclaimed the proud tradition of >> chris, i have to tell you, i will pay good money, i will call in a sick day myself. i will do anything i have to to watch when that happens. >> i think it's going to happen. >> i will also say we have progressed to the pandemic to where we can have guests in person. you only saw dr. fauci by satellite. i had the good fortune to see you in the office today, which is crazy, and you've been working out, dude. >> yes, i'm trying to get swoll at the end of this pandemic. little known back about dr. anthony fauci which you may


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