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sorts of putting junk food in their bodies and they don't ask what is in it, they eat it and drink it and drink sodas and everything. anyway. good luck, stay in the fight out there. before we go, a quick programming note on wednesday night, immediately following the reid out, we are going to get the band become together. join me and my pals for president biden's first address to a joint session of congress. that is the "the reid out," "all with chris hayes" starts now. >> they call it a republican auditor an attempt to under mine the credibility of our elections. >> the republican push to nullify democratic voters continues. and eric holder on the fight to protect the vote and why today's census announcement will shape elections for a generation and then robert draper the "new york times" on the ongoing republican
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subservience of trump. >> did he say some people are more concerned about the election than you are? >> no. look -- >> and controversy over another police shooting in north carolina. >> they run up to his vehicle shooting. >> no. >> as the department of justice mounss a major investigationin police and big new developments on the usualfor america to help vaccinate india and the world. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, today we have one of the most consequential announcements in the country in the last decade, i speak of course of the census results. one of the most important undertakings we do in this you know can. making sure every single american is counted so we know the total population and then we use the data to make all sorts of big decisions based on the results from budgetary decisions to reputational ones. for instance, the number of congressional representatives a state may have in congress goes
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up or down depending on on the change in the population. this year, six states, florida, colorado, montana, north carolina and oregon gained a seat in the house. they gained in population. texas picks up two and seven states, california, michigan, illinois, new york, ohio, west virginia, pennsylvania will lose a seat. to get a sense of how much this count matters. we covered information about the litigation on the census, if they can ask about citizenship and people were saying it's the fulcrum for political power. new york, if they had counted 89 more people, they would have kept a seat. those small numbers matter. ten years ago, that would be 2010, 2011. last time wecensus, the
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republican tea party wave meant they controlled the legislatures and they used it to gerrymander and lock in majorities that were in some ways voter proof. right? and indeed, that has proven to be the key strategy for what has ins ceasingly become the guiding ideology of the republican party particularly post trump. which is, use your power to retain power. even if it means build a barricade about how the voters feel about what you are up to. look at what is happen manage two states, texas and arizona. specifically in two large urban counties. right, maricopa county, that includes he -- includes phoenix and houston. those counties used to be republican strongly holds, but they have trended democrat for a number of reasons. the republican party has managed to alienate a lot of voters in
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the last election, donald trump are lost in both counties. in arizona's maricopa county, it made a difference. now, in texas's harris county, barack obama won by less than a thousand votes in 2012, rye. so you have basically a county a that is a 50/50 even split. and then four years later, hillary clinton wins the county by 162,000 votes. and then four years after that, joe biden won by more than 215,000 in november. that is not a great set of numbers for republicans in harris county. so it's not going in the right direction if you are a republican in harris county. what are they doing about it? they on could do soul searching to find out how did we lose these voters? no, they are not doing that. instead, they are trying to find out how best to sabotage the
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votes of the people in the large metro areas. we brought you the story of the incredible things that harris county judge, the chief executive for the county was doing for voter access in her county, in harris county. things like 24 hour voting. remember, we had pictures of that, drive-threw vvoting, and t worked. it was huge. democrats won the county and republicans won texas. they turned out across the state. so, okay, more people voted, great. all good all around. right? no, not all good all around. republicans are now specifically targeting the cities of texas with new voting legislation. quote, seeking to roll back virtually every expansion the county put in place for 2020. the bills, these are the ones republicans are proposing would make texas one of the hardest states in the country to cast a ballot in. the idea here is, we are not
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going to let the people of harris county use their votes to take away the preference of the real texans of the rural counties. and texas is not alone. republicans are pushing the exact same narrative in arizona. with the maricopa county situation, on friday, we told you about this utterly deranged and unnecessary audited they are doing of the 2020 presidential election results. 2020 presidential election. five months after the election. it was subpoenaed and turned over to a private company as far as we can tell it's unprecedented and still going on. this is the live video of the continuing awed a it. okay. it's basically been outsourced to a private entity that is run by people who openly tweet things like stop the steal. and almost no one in the election forensic universe has heard of the company can. today, in fact, the contractor that that is overseeing the recount requested a judge keep
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its counting methods a secret. the same company wants the hearing closed to the media and the public and no one will ever know how they reach whatever their final count is. keep in mind, they are counting the ballots. they have possession of them. okay. the company that is doing this also prompted the judge to recuse himself are from the case by adding an attorney to its team that previously worked as the judge's intern. so now another judge is sgog have to step in, and it was not clear immediately whether monday's hearing would be held as scheduled. the court website showed no hearing on the calendar. keep in mind, they are doing the count. someone wants them to stop. and they have managed to postpone any judge weighing in on whether they should stop for an undetermined period of time, as they keep doing it andhad he say their counting methods and everything is proprietary and they are not telling us about it. they are doing it right now, with the ballot ones, using a bogus recount to ultimately, we think, advance the narrative, it was the corrupt city folk, in
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maricopa county, they oversaw a corruption election and stole it from the rural folks. trump was banging this drum, in philadelphia, in detroit, yada, yada, yada, the recount is not auditing all of the results just maricopa county, this is the way the republicans increasingly deal with an underlying structural fact of the polarizing areas. so republicans are dealing with it by essentially trying depress the vote, make it harder to vote or just outright under mine the integrity of it, people's perception of whether it's real or not in the metro areas. think about if the shoe were on the other foot. right, think about how sort of insidious and gross this, that their they are doing this. the same dynamics of democrats concentrated in republican areas and republicans in rural areas
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that is true in every state of the union. it could be that governors and legislaors try to change voting in rural areas. that's not happening. right? that would be wrong. and gross, and anti-democratic and we would criticize them on the show as well. but there's asymmetry about how republicans think of small d democracy. as egregious and dangerous as the recount is, and the restrict i have bills that we are seeing across the country from georgia to texas and iowa. the thing to keep your eye, that returns us to where we began. the nuclear weapon that state officials have to over come voter preference is
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gerrymandering. look at wisconsin, 50/50 swing state. every two years it's what is going to happen there. the republicans have manipulated the state's house districts to the point in last year's state senate races, right? 40% of the wisconsin residents that voted that day, showed up in the election, voted for democrats. while 38% of the seats went to democrats. i mean, democrats have prevailed in every statewide election constituents 18. for governor and lute governor. the u.s. senator. president. but democrats are out numbered in a 2-1 margin largely due to the way that republicans drew the districts back in 2011. that is what we are watching for as these states now take the census data and begin the process.
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they do it once every ten years of redrawing the districts. again, eric holder, you may have remembered that hes was the state's attorney general. he joins me now. it's great to have you on the program, maybe let's start with the census numbers which came out today, there was a lot of speculation of which states would gain, and which states would lose. i think there was wore that new yorkmay lose as much as two in that way it dodged a bullet, but 89 more people and it would not have lost any. what is your take away from the census announcement and how much does the adding and subtracting matter in the redistricting project we are about to see undertaken? >> yeah, i think it does. you know, the -- what's going to happen in the state legislatures and house will look like is a close margin.
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a movement of one seat from one state and moving it to another can have an impact. i'm concerned especially if you look at texas, it's going to get additional seats, it's because of an increase in a young people and hispanic and they will try to draw the lines to not give full throat to the people who should have increased political power there. they will draw them in such a way to minimize the acquisition of power by those groups. and so, you know, that, those additional seats that texas is going to get, i suspect will be, you know, they will attempt to gerrymander them, which means we will end up in court. >> this is such a great point, it connects directly to what i was discussing. the population growth in texas is being driven around the large metro areas that are growing rapidly. in harris county and around dallas fort worth andaustin texas, and that is sort of the population driver in that state.
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but, of course, what the texan republicans will do, is say, okay, great thanks accept sus, we have two more members of congress. but we are going to try to take those and draw districts so like we can net two more republican seats. >> yeah, i mean, that's exactly what they did in 2011. if you remember with what tom delay was on doing, they got two additional seats, again, largely because of the increase in the hispanic population. it did not increase hispanics in power of the state. i sued to try to reverse it and we had a change in who became the attorney general. we sued in the obama administration when jeff sessions became the attorney general. he put the justice on the side of defending the state instead of pursuing it. this is all about the republican
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acquisition and retention of illegitimate power. it's what it's all about. democrats won 1.2, 1.3 million votes nationwide andhad a 33 seat minority. that was strictly related to the lines that were drawn in 2011. now, we are trying to make sure that in 2021, we don't have that same kind of, that same kind of impact. >> one of the issues here of course is the supreme court has said that partisan jerry man -- gerrymandering is not going to stop. sometimes it's a different ways of doing it. iowa has a independent commission. but basically the court said look, if you have a republican super majority and republican governor in texas and they want to try to come up with like, you
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know, a 9-3, or 15-5 -- >> sure, sure. >> they can do it and that is basically the way the supreme court works now. >> yeah, and the supreme court in the disastererous, you know, russo case said you cannot bring gerrymandering cases to the court. we did it successfully in pennsylvania. the supreme court has made it difficult. we can bring racial gerrymandering cases to supreme court. so, we will have avenues open to us in erm thes of litigation. >> i want to ask you since i have you and i do not get a chance to talk to you that often. you were a former attorney general under barack obama. your department of justices was quite energetic in pursuing
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patterns and practice of police departments that were suspected of having a pattern or practice of violating people's constitutional rights. and merrick garland said there would be such an investigation in to louisville and that comes after an investigation launched in minneapolis. these are gone dormant under trump. does it match where we are? >> it does, the george floyd murder awakened the country on the reality of how the people of color too often are treated are members of law enforcement. we brought a record of number of pattern and practice cases while i were attorney general. the trumped admnistration did
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not bring any while they were there. there's a pattern of practice cases, that are tools in bringing reform about. i'm heartened to see what was done today. i'm heartened to see who was flanking that, when he did. that ms. guptaan unfair junior through her senate process. sh he is a civil rights tourn and i think the team you saw up there the today, will bring pattern of practice investigations and make criminal justice reform a priority again for the united states department of justice. >> you know, i have become convinced that the gerrymandering question has become a fundamental question of the consider of american democracy at the moment. so please come back, you have an open invitation to come back and talk about the topic. former attorney general, eric holder. thank you. >> thank you. >> still to come,
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. [ inaudible ] lower his voice and speak haltingly. wary of not casting mr. trump in a way that might upset him, is this story going to be all about trump, mr. mccarthy asked after back-to-back questions on him. and then liz cheney, does not seem to have a liberal bone in herbody and is now essentially being shunned by her party because she voted to impeach the former president after inciting a deadly insurrection. and we have a piece on the fall-out of the vote and the
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party's fear of trump's rath. colleagues confided that the party is happy to move on from trump but saying it in public was a different story. it risked getting the liz cheney treatment. that cheney was willing to face trump's wrath called attention to the fact that most of them were not. a writer at large for the "new york times" magazine joins me now. robert, one thing that came through in the great piece as i was reading it and it's something that i think you have tweeted about, is that i think a lot of us who, you know, consume media across all sorts of landscapes and are not steeped in right wing media. donald trump is off twitter and he is not in the white house and gives an interview and does not make news. he vanished and does not loom large. but at the grassroots represent are -- republican level, he is
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uh, all right, i'm back, did you miss me? like the commercials, we are here dealing with technical issues. i did not hear on the return, so i don't know if i have audio, i think we have robert draper. he wrote a great piece about the maga wars. would you talk to me for a second, so i can make sure i can hear you. >> can you hear me?
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>> excellent. look at that. so, you wrote a great piece about the sort of civil war brewing over liz cheney and what was striking to me is how large trump still looms as if he is president and has twitter and still controls so much amongst the grassroots and the republican party. >> yeah, i mean, it's a crazy question, it's a case if they don't make a sound, is it so? the loudest voices are those that are avid trump supporters. liz cheney was the only house member called out by name on january 6th and the only house member that voted to impeach. so she sticks out like a sore
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thumb and she is a woman. as my story revealed, in the special conference that was convened to talk about whether or not to remove her from her post, the comments were very much the kinds of things that one tends to associate with sexism and cheney has bourn the brunt of all of the things and it's an open question as to what her future will be inthe republican party if the republican party continues to be one that, in which as you say, trump looms over it. >> yeah, there's news tonight that just in an interview with her, the new york post considering a 2024 run. she said that cruz and hawley's january 6th actions are disqualifying. there's no up side politically to be the anti-trump republican. like that, there's nothing there. there's nothing there. there's no base for that.
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there's no slice of the electorate that will rally to you to get you anywhere. >> i agree. if she survives her own primary and then secondly somehow, 2022's results can be interrupted as a referendum against trump and i'm not quite sure what that formulation would be. then yes, she is poised to be the leader of a post trump party. but those are a series of hoops she has to run through. and that means anybody beyond the k-street republicans that have supported her will surround her in numbers. >> the entire constellation, you know, rotates around trump. every political can cal calculation that is made, down to every level is still around
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him. whether you know, now, everything is frozen because trump wants hershel walker, the former university of georgia football star to be running, and he has never lived georgia. >> he is not trump's pick, so he is caught in the squeeze, where he quit because it's required that you resign from one race if you are going to run for another, a good lie, but now it's one that disadvantaged collins so he is a person with no place to go. and yeah, you are right, you i think that the, the language of the party, you can see it most acutely with kevin mccarthy, whose every move is calibrated on the lines of will it offend donald trump. >> i find it difficult to watch.
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it's viscerallyhumiliating in the greek tragic sense of the word. but it's so humiliating and abject and the bowing and scraping is intense. and donald trump demands more, there's no amount of supplication that will satisfy him. >> as has always been the case with donald trump. and mccarthy is taking it one step at a time. the easiest path for him to 2022, to him holding the speaker's gavel is to appease trump and keephim on his side and then he will leave for another day the question of how do you dispose of trump. the problem is, the more you feed the beast. the stronger the beast gets. and allowing trump to play in 2022, allowing him to have the
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out sized role that he continues to have, only sets up a situation where mccarthy may get to hold a piece of wood. may get to be the spooker you but will have really no power as a speaker. >> that's a great point. and i honestly think there's another aspect to me. in many ways there's the argument that the sort of dividing lines of the republican politics have come to completely represent what ever trump's grievances are. whatever his hates, dislikes and views to the extent that he has them, which is unclear, we have seen, real changes on polling on trade for instance, among republicans. it seems the case that trump is also, just reflecting back a lot of what people feel anyway. in some ways he is as much a prisoner to it. he is constantly obsessed with feeding the base and not getting cross wise with them. and every one of them is riding tiger.
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>> and every one of us who covered the campaign came to learn it quickly he took due note of which lines were applause lines and you know, clove to those. the immigration being the obvious case in point. what you described about a party that is basically based on whatever trump wants it to be at any point in time is by any other name a personality cult and liz cheney has articulated that clearly and said, in a zoom fundraiser that i was able to overhear that is something that we have never seen in this country before. we have seen it in other countries and it's to be avoided at all costs. >> the piece makes that really clear. and i just thought it's, it's useful because i think it's correct and appropriate and really kind of a blessing that we don't have are to like talk about donald trump all the time. i think there's sometimes this sense that like, he was in entirely a fabrication of mainstream media attention. and one of the things that i see in the grassroots is it's not true. the hold is still there. as much as it was. that is, and that is not going anywhere. because the forces are larger
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than him. robert draper, thank you so much for your patience, and for stake sticking with us. i appreciate it. >> sure thing, my pleasure, chris. >> all right, the family of andrew brown, jr., 42-year-old black man shot and killed by police in north carolina last week, were shown body camera footage from the incident today and they described the short amount of footage they saw as a quote execution. the local sheriff said that officer shot brown on wednesday, and they were serving him drug related warrants. the family's lawyers say brown a father of seven was shot in the back of the head as he attempt today to flee. they a greed to show the family the viewing and then said they needed more time to redact it. and then they saw 20 seconds of the video, and said there was horror at the sequence of events that was depicted. >> we saw a snippet of the
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video. when we know that the video started before and after they showed the family. >> right. >> and they determined what was pertinent. >> one body cam. 20 seconds. an execution. >> 20 seconds is not transparency. >> no. >> when you have multiple officers gunning down a man with his hands on his steering wheel and trying to get away. >> andrew brown was in his driveway, the sheriff truck blocked him in his driveway. so he could not exit his driveway. they run up to his vehicle shooting. he still stood is there sat there in his vehicle with his hands on his steering wheel while being shot at. he drives off and they still
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shooting him. he runs in to a tree and they are still running behind him. >> we have no way of verifying what is on the video. seven deputies have been put on paid administrative leave. the mayor declared a state of emergency as it's reviewed to release the video for the public. here is one of the attorneys for mr. brown. tell us what the back and forth has been with the sheriff's department since mr. brown's death last week? circulate. >> it's been a difficult struggle. first one report that it was one deputy and then other reports that it was multiple deputies.
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we learned that -- you can see, seven on leave, and two resigned and one retired. it's a lot of things going on that we don't know. 20 seconds of the video was shown today as the sound bite stated, it was an execution. mr. brown was complaint. and they were still shooting athim and let me be clear. he was not fleeing. he was trying to save his life by getting away because he was in not doing anything to have them to shoot at him. so he was doing like what anybody else would do. he was trying to get away. and they still shot and killed him. >> you are referring, you were one of the people that saw the footage, is that correct? >> no, no, i was not one of the individuals who saw it. the individuals who saw it was one of the attorneys here in north carolina. >> and the family members and that attorney were shown the footage, can you just describe the conditions as best the family knows of just the basics
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of what happened. mr. brown was driving and he was pulled over? >> no, the search warrant was executed he was in his driveway, and they block him in in, and his hands on the steering wheel, the shots start firing. he was not trying to injury anybody. even while they were shooting at him he was conscious enough to try to not injury and hurt them. he is backing up, trying to drive away and they just unload on him. shoot him in the back of the head, car is riddled with bullets he strikes a tree and they pull him out the car and he was lifeless. it's, it's, the way it was described to me and our council
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was, she was in tears the counselor was in tears in what she saw. it was horrific, it was wrong. it was wrong. >> what is the sheriff department's position of the status of this footage? there's talk today, i know there's back and forth, an expectation that they would be shown the footage. a delay and a redaction and only 20 seconds. whether it will or will not be public. what is the sheriff's position and your position on the subject? >> the sheriff is open of having the video out. the person who was the blockade today was the county attorney. when i say at the county attorney. he was a vessel that was used that could be the county
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commissioners. we don't know, we know no transparency whatsoever, is taken a place. the officers faces were blurred. i have never, chris, i have never had any body cam footage where the officer's were conhe sealed. you may have innocent by-standers or minors blurred out. the officer's faces were concealed and trying to protect the officers but mr. brown's face is not concealed. >> you said there were seven deputies placed on administrative leave and then you said something of retired or resigned? >> yes, my understanding is that two deputies resigned, one deputy retired. and seven are on administrative leave look. i don't know the retiring deputy or the resigned deputy what involvement theyhad.
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i would not speculate. but seven deputies were placed on administrative leave. so it was imferred that they were in the matter. what was shown today, and what, various snip. -- >> let's be clear. we have more answers when the video came on, according to his son and attorney laciter, they were already will shooting at him. but when they were shooting at him, his hands were on the steering wheel. what happened before he started shooting? that is not transparency. that is a cover-up. anybody can see it's a cover-up. a cover-up for what reason? to protect the killers? we shall find out. we shall find on out. >> harry daniels attorney for
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the family of andrew brouchblt -- andrew brown. thank you for taking time. i appreciate it. >> merrick garland said that a pattern and practice investigation will be launched in to a major u.s. police department. >> today, the justice department is opening a civil investigation in to the louisville jefferson ville county metro government and the louisville metro police department. to determine whether lmpd engages in a pattern or practice of violations of the constitution or federal law. >> this announcement comes more than a year since louisville police shot and killed breonna taylor, a black woman in her own home while serving a no-knock warrant. while two officers have been fired one remains on the force, none of them have been criminal charged in connection to they are death. and lastsummer, her death sparked protests going with the protests over the killing of
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george floyd in minneapolis. the louisville probe comes five days after the investigation announcement of the minneapolis department. for four years under the trump administration, the department of justice refused to exercise this power they have over local police departments. but now under new leadership they are finally back at it. using this key tool to try to enact some much needed reform. joining me now is a form deputy assistant attorney general and under the obama administration. julie fernandez. what is your first reaction to the someone who is a practitioner when youhear the attorney general make an announcement like this? >> my firstreaction is thank god. thank god merrick garland is in the position he is in, to have a program of civil investigation of police agencies that are engaging in patterns and practices of misconduct.
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i want to say one things also, chris, what is going on here with policing in our country, we are having a crisis, but the tragedy is this crisis has been going on for many, many, many, many years. and the difference now is that we have more video cameras, more body cams, and more people see it, folks in the black community and latin ex community, we have seen this, this is what it looks like. and so, thank god that we have merrick garland in a position and recently we had confirmed ms. gupta, so they have a serious run at police reform. >> there's different ways the investigations can happen in terms of the relationship between the department of justice or the police department at issue or city. along the scale of sort of like, active resistance and hostility on one end, which is some police departments and some police
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departments that at least in public, say we welcome this, we will partner on this. louisville at least seemsmore towards that. at least more in its public pronouncements. i wonder in your experience, how much that matters? >> that is a lot. because, really, what we are talking about is, the reason we have the statute at all is because congress determined in 1993 that prosecutions feed on to be systemic solutions. if you need it to be durable, you need leadership in the jurisdiction that is interested in having a systemic solution. it's going to carry it all the way. carry it once the cameras are gone, and once people are off to the next crisis. that it will continue to implement transparency and partnerships with communities and what has to be an a going part of how they operate in our
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communities consistent with the constitution. >> i have been reading critiques of howthey have been carried out in the past. from some that are more radical and skeptical that poliing can be reformed, it's become a hamster wheel to say. there's forms to fill out and boxes to check but it does not get at change. i'm curious what you say to that? >> i mean, i don't know. i don't think that anything is a panacea, chris, if we are not diagnosising the problem in a level that is a little bit bureaucratic it is about training and supervision. if we are not doing that.
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it's going to be hard to figure out what to change. it may be for the agencies, it may be wholesale, we need a radical change you but diagnosising the problem beyond the obvious problems of systemic racism and the other problems that layer it to cause us to be in this crisis, i think we are not going to get to a comprehensive solution. but i don't think it's a panacea, it takes more than that, definitely. >> julie fernandez, who worked at the department of justice, i agree by the way. i find the reports i have been issued. i have read a bunch of them they are eye opening to say the least. thank you so much, really appreciate it. meanwhile, we are stillin the midst of a global coronavirus pandemic and nowhere is nor dire than india. cases climbing at theity fastest pace in the world. that line going practically vertical. reporting more than 300,000
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cases a day. authorities are getting requested to cut down trees while the they try to bury the dead. we know first hand what it can look like. our country was hit hard by the virus. there's an urgent, and strategic reason for us to do everything we can to help. yesterday the biden administration said it would be sending in raw materials for vaccine production and medical supplies and in other vaccine news today, the u.s. said it would begin sharing its 60 million doses of the astrazeneca covid vaccine with other countries something that that they have been urging for weeks we don't have domestic authorization to even use it. but here's the thing this, the accelerated pace of the vaccines will take a while. that is true about shipping doses. it's true about intellectual property waivers, there's people in congress and the government that is pushing to do on
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everything that we can to help as fast as we can. congress woman, thank you for coming on tonight. i want to start by asking about your family. and my understanding is you were there, tell us what you saw? >> i have to say, it was rough. both of my parents from there, they are 80 and 90 years old, they were diagnosed with covid, my dad needed oxygen. and i think now in retrospect i'm glad, it's a strange thing to say, that it happened when it did, they were at the beginning of if surge, and i'm not sure they would have gotten oxygen if theynot been. they have made it through the rough estimate time. and the fact that they got the
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vaccine before, helped to limit the symptoms. we saw it happening. i was there as the cases started to ramp up. i'm talking to my parents and it's so extreme and it's coming so quickly and we are grateful that we can get the raw materials over there. but the overall situation of vaccines it's not just i understand -- not just india. out of the 900 million doses of administered, say few have gone to low income countries. that is a problem everywhere. if we don't solve the global issue of covid, we are not going to solve it for ourselves. so it's not just a moral responsibility, it's the right thing to do if we beat a global
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pandemic. >> right, i mean, so there's a bunch of things. right, there's, on the vaccine front, i mean, first to stay with india specifically. we all know, we have covered, we have gone through cycles of this. and we have seen it in ecuador and new york city, and italy. countries of different wealth levels but the virus does the same thing to everyone. at a certain level. it ja jams up the hospitals and makes it impossible to find a place to bury the dead. and makes short supply of oxygen and ppe, the most pressing thing for india is this immediate triage need for oxygen, ppe, medical supplies that we can get to them. i know there's some agreement from the biden administration that we will be doing some of that now, is that your understanding? >> yes, that's right. and the president made a strong statement yesterday, those things will start happening right away. and the cdc is sending a team,
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has offered to send a team to assist india, so that is immediate. because there's no hospital beds. i saw it just in my little area. that hospital was completely full. even from my father to keep his hospital bed in the icu, you know, we were never sure if he was going to stay there for as long as he needed to and so, this is really the hospital beds, the ppe, the doctors are exhausted. and obviously the population is enormous, rights? so, it's 1.2 billion people. the scale and magnitude of deaths. we think the deaths are being under counted as well. whatever you see, some people are saying double it, at least. because it's really, my -- my heard is just breaking watching. >> and your point here about the, i mean, there's the immediate issue and then there's the long-term issue. or the, even the medium term issue and we have seen, there's
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so many countries, i think, that say, in africa, where there was a lot of worry that it would raf -- that it would ravage that part of the country. and parts of that country have done an amazing job and parts of india have done an amazing job, but unless we get the world vaccinated, the virus is going to win and india is an example of that right now, which the why i agree, we need to ship out vaccines and waiving intellectual property patents. congress woman who are is back from india, her parents are doing well, thank goodness. i'm glad to hear that. thank you for making time tonight. >> thank you. chris. >> all right, that is all in on this monday night, always an adventure, the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> to the extent that i have add ed to your adventure, i apologize. >> that was not directed to you at all. that would be a wildly passive

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