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applied, if you're looking at if there's any disparate impact on the policies of the police department, upon its citizens, those are cultural issues in the police department and all things that need to be addressed. [ inaudible ] >> it means there are areas that need to be changed. that's not a secret. we have been talking about that for years. [ inaudible ] >> so what i'll say to you, in
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terms of the particulars of it, i defer to folks at doj. what i can say is my good friend michael harrison is commissioner of the baltimore police department and he and i speak fairly regularly and they're under consent decree. what i have seen through him is how if you get the right team running the consent decree, it can do nothing but benefit the department and the city, so i think ideally we don't find ourselves in that space because it's just, i think it can be costly quite honestly, but i also will say if the doj comes back and says we think this is necessary, well, then it is necessary. so i think then what do you need to do to make it a positive. and again, i would encourage you to reach out to commissioner harrison. he is living it real time. he has told me repeatedly that
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the consent decree allowed him to drive change in baltimore. you know what, i want us to be successful and i'm not going to say -- there's no reason to drive fear or be an alarmist. the doj wants us to get this right. louisville is a major city. it has to get it right. i look at this as a partnership, someone is neutral, they're coming in, saying this is what you need to do. i mean, this isn't a surprise. we've had four years where at least for the last three consent decrees were really put on pause for largely political reasons and so we knew that they were going to come back and you're going to see more of them and it's okay. it's okay. i think one of the things you think about, always accused of right or wrong in policing is we investigate our own. i don't think it is wrong that someone who is qualified is
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coming in as an outside party, providing feedback. i'll take that all day long. thank you. [ inaudible ] >> i don't see it that way. look, under the trump administration they stopped these type of investigations, doj did. president biden, vice president harris, attorney general have entirely different type of perspective. to me, it shows the national government is working as i spoke
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about before. louisville has been in the news, we know that for the last year because of breonna taylor's tragedy. when minneapolis was announced friday, this is no surprise that this happened here today. and again, one of the reasons we hired chief shields is because she's a reformer. the more tools we can have to understand where our gaps are and where reform needs to take place, we're going to welcome those. i would not -- this isn't a win, lose type of thing in terms of lmpd against anybody. this is us seeking a win-win for our citizens, for the police department, for the united states, with so many departments, police departments going through struggles right now, so i'm considerate of an opportunity, a privilege to be in this spot to be able to define what the future of policing looks like where everyone in the city would say it is fair and it is just.
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no police department can really say that in america right now. for us to be in that position to have that opportunity and see the kind of development that could take place with our police department, with our citizens, to co-produce that, i think that's an extraordinary opportunity. okay. thanks, everybody. good afternoon, i am ayman mohyeldin in new york. you have been watching officials in louisville, kentucky responding to attorney general merrick garland's announcement of a probe into the louisville metro police department in kentucky where breonna taylor was killed about 13 months ago. this new probe being announced days after the doj launched an investigation into the minneapolis police department, following the killing of george floyd. you're listening to the mayor, greg fisher, saying this is an opportunity and privilege for him and other officials there to get this right, to create a police force that is fair and just for the citizens of
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louisville, their state and citizens of the united states, talking about challenges that police departments across the country are facing. we're going to have a lot more on this throughout the hour. but we do want to begin right now with a look of all of the challenges that the white house is dealing with, with us now, mike memoli, outside the white house. mike, what do these announcements about the investigations into the police departments in louisville and minneapolis on friday tell us about what the biden justice department is going to do when it comes to policing in this country? >> well, ayman, you heard last week after the derek chauvin guilty verdict came in both the president and the vice president issued those remarks to the country talking about how they were going to be pushing lawmakers on capitol hill to advance the george floyd justice in policing act. that's an important legislative priority that we also just heard from white house press secretary
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jen psaki is something we should expect to hear the president talk about in his address to joint session of congress wednesday night. but this is an administration also prepared to use every tool in its executive tool box to try to address some of the police issues immediately and that's what the attorney general announced today. in fact, you heard officials in louisville talk about them, pattern and practice investigations, the issuing of consent decrees. president biden knows the tools well. they were part of the 1994 crime bill that he was the cheer -- chief author of. it was used against him in the campaign by those that called it overreach. this is an important tool that can be used they believe to address systemic issues of bias in policing. take a listen to what attorney general merrick garland had to say about the goals of this investigation when he announced it earlier this afternoon. >> promoting public trust between communities and law enforcement is essential to
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making both communities and policing safer. our enforcement efforts as well as grant making and other support will contribute to achieving that end and to protecting civil rights of everyone in our country. >> ayman, there's the political fight on capitol hill, trying to find bipartisan path forward in the senate, the house has already passed the george floyd legislation. tim scott, the republican senator from south carolina is key towards achieving a bipartisan solution, but there's also from the white house focus on policy and personnel. in his speech after the chauvin verdict, the president called on the senate to approve and confirm some additional nominees for key justice department posts, one of them, kristin clark to lead civil rights division, that division was oversee these kinds of investigations moving forward. >> mike memoli starting us off this hour. thank you for that. joining us, virginia democratic
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senator tim kaine from the foreign relations and armed services committees. senator, great to have you back on the program. start with news of the day. i know in your home state of virginia, isaiah brown said to be in critical condition unfortunately after being shot ten times by a sheriff's deputy from a 911 call where he said he planned to kill his brother. would you support investigation into the spotsylvania department as well as minneapolis and louisville? >> these officials as mayor fisher indicated are to help police departments improve, so yes. the goal has got to be improvement and reform and we would have nothing to fear from that and potentially a lot to gain. i would additionally say, ayman, there's a tool police departments can avail themselves of now that most don't. seek accreditation. federal policy is we give pell
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grants to students if they go to accredited universities, there are accrediting agencies for police departments and few police departments go through accreditation where they can have outside agencies look at their practices and suggest improvements. i would encourage police forces all over this country and in virginia, if you're not accredited, go to one of the accrediting agencies, go through the rigorous process to show the public you're open to improvement. >> why do you think they're reluctant to do that, haven't taken advantage of that process if it improves trust and builds confidence in the communities they serve? >> i think the reason, i talk to police chiefs that are chiefs of agencies that are accredited in virginia and elsewhere that aren't. those accredited say it was a hard process but learned a lot and improved, but did say it took awhile and cost some money. often municipal police departments say we don't have enough resources to do our job,
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so more resources for an accreditation is not a high enough priority. however, i think winning back trust has to be the highest priority of all of us in public life, particularly law enforcement right now, and so might it cost something, sure. go to the city council and say we want to affirmatively improve, not wait for an incident or doj investigation, we want to affirmatively doing it. cities should be funding these improvement efforts. >> naacp saying trust between communities and police has been fractured. anything to help on that front would certainly be welcome. allow me, sir, to turn to foreign policy for a moment. this weekend, president biden declared the 1915 killings of armenians a genocide. they dispute the terms of what happened there. what is your view of this, what could it mean for the u.s. relationship with turkey is a nato ally, home to one of the
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largest bases in the region. >> ali ayman, the president was right fo label the atrocities suffered by the armenian people in the 19-teens a genocide. the ambassador to the ottoman imperial warned this genocide was under way, and it was inspired by this particular event. it has just been an unwillingness to make folks mad that's taken the united states so long to recognize it. this was the otto man empire in a declining spasm. my plea to the turkish government would be we have hard reckoning to do in this country about racial problems, about treatment of american indians. we're undergoing a set of reckonings now. there's nothing wrong with you acknowledging a previous
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country, the ottoman empire, did things wrong and just acknowledge it, commit to be better. i don't understand why turkey still fights this off so much when the atrocities were perpetrated by a predecessor country that is far different than the current country of turkey. >> allow me to switch gears one more time since we have you, and i know your time is pressed. today is one year since dr. lorna breen, new york emergency room doctor from virginia died by suicide during the height of the pandemic here. since then i know you pushed for legislation to help front line health care workers deal with the toll this year has taken on their mental health, certainly not getting enough attention. tell us more what you are hoping to do on that front. >> i will. lauren breen, i would encourage anybody, google her name, read about this remarkable human being and physician.
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the last article she published was how to help emergency room physicians deal with burnout. then covid hit new york, she was seeing death and illness at an unprecedented scale and tragically died by suicide a year ago today. with her sister and brother-in-law championing this effort, we are putting funds into training programs for our health professionals, keeping our healers healthy. too many of them still feel a stigma. if i go and seek mental health counseling, will i lose my job, lose my license, lose my privilege to practice at a hospital. we need to take down the stigma and fund mental health services and we need to work with state governments to make sure they don't have policies that get in the way of our healers seeking the health resources they need. >> virginia senator tim kaine, thank you so much for taking a variety of questions this hour. greatly appreciate it. >> glad to. in less than an hour, vice president kamala harris will meet virtually with the
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guatemala president to discuss solutions to the surge in migration. it comes as a new nbc news poll shows 59% of americans disapprove of president biden's handling of border security and immigration. only 33% approving of the job he is doing so far. joining me now, correspondent julian ainsley who covers immigration, and managing director at dpi media, senior adviser and communications director for the democratic national committee, former spokesperson for the justice department and department of labor. great to have you both with us. attorneys for the family -- i am going to apologize. interrupt you. cross to north carolina, attorney ben crump speaking now on behalf of the brown family. >> and attorney last ter, we have the honor of fighting for
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the family of andrew brown jr. for transparency, accountability and truth. where we witness our legal team, you're going to hear from our legal team who got to witness the video, again, hear from the family members and then we'll take your questions. we want to say on the record from the onset we do not feel we got transparency. we only saw a snippet of the video when we know the video started before and after what they showed the family. they determined what was pertinent. why can't the family see all the
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video. only showed one body cam video even though we know there were several body cam videos if following the law and policy in this county that everybody has video cameras on their uniforms. furthermore, you're going to hear from attorney sellers and attorney daniels on this matter, to add insult to injury they wanted to have just two family members see the video with no legal counsel, as if they did not have a right to have their legal counsel present when they watched this execution of their loved one. and we have to keep demanding transparency because we do not feel what the county attorney
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offered was transparency at all. so it is very emotional, not only the video but how the family was disrespected even in the aftermath. you talk about insult on top of injury. be not dismayed. the truth will come out. the video will be seen by the public. and we will get justice for andrew brown jr. these police officers will be held accountable. at this time, a great, you all know him from his political commentary on cnn, but he is a great civil rights attorney as well. he is going to speak to you and then followed by attorney daniels. then we'll have attorney lassiter will tell you blow by
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blow what was seen in a snippet, a 20 second video we know is much longer. attorney sellers. >> we want to highlight, i want to highlight the disrespect to this family. i want to highlight the broken system of justice we have in this country. as we are going through the process, we told the family the attorney would be there as comfort. we went back and forth. i want to say, i have never been talked to like i was in there. i don't know his name, but i went to the back and i know that we're live on the news around the world, i will say that mr. cox told me, grown black man, he was not fucking going to be bullied.
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so i walked out. i want you to know that the sheriff was very apologetic, diplomatic. the sheriff wanted to make sure the family saw the video, the county attorney gave us the back and forth. let's not focus on disrespect to me, let's focus on the disrespect to this family. one body cam. 20 seconds. an execution. one body cam. 20 seconds. and an execution. so with all due respect, i know there were a lot of people thought last week's verdict was justice and i told you then it wasn't justice because we still can't get justice and accountability today. i'm only going to be brief because i'm hot right now. but i want to say a special
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prayer goes out to this family. cause kalil saw his father executed, but he has been the strongest one of us all. so lift him up in your prayers. and as we say in south carolina, i know we're in north carolina, to the county attorney and everybody else, bless his heart. >> thank you, bacari. now you're going to hear from another great civil rights lawyer who hails out of atlanta, georgia who has actually been in communications with the county attorney for days trying to get this process set, and he's litigated matters all over the country, and never has he been disrespected like today. he will tell you his perspective before i bring out attorney
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lassiter. >> thank you, ben. 1965, selma, alabama was bloody sunday, resistance of fundamental rights to vote, rights to vote. this family had a fundamental right for transparency that was denied by the county officials, specifically the county attorney because he does not interpret the laws of north carolina. his position is that you had to be a licensed attorney in the state of north carolina to represent. i offered to read the state bar, rules of the bar, he didn't want to read it. we offered the attorney general to him. he didn't want to talk to him. we offered the governor. he told bacari he is not going
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to be bullied. 20 seconds is not transparency when you got multiple officers gunning down a man with his hands on the steering wheel, trying to get away. we will have justice. we will have justice. have you ever in all your time doing this, you ever seen this before? >> never. >> attorney daniels, attorney sellers were trying to reason with him and say that we are lawyers retained by the family. american constitution gives citizens the right to have a lawyer of their own choosing. he tried to tell us no. if you're not barred in north carolina, this family does not have the right to say my lawyer can watch the video with me and he recorded the statute ver
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baitism. >> gave him the statute, nothing that says north carolina whatsoever. you can associate with an attorney. prowho can sri cha does not mean you can't associate, hire any attorney you want in the united states. ben can hire me, i can hire ben as my counsel. >> that's right. >> thank you so much, attorney daniels, for covering that. it got emotional because attorney daniels had been working with them. we wanted this process to be seamless. we had verbal confirmation, we had written confirmation only to be told at the 11th hour that no, only the family is going to come in. that be as it may, we have a great member of our legal team who hails here in the state of north carolina. she's right here from elizabeth
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city, north carolina. and not only is she a great lawyer, she is the attorney who had been representing andrew brown jr. and his family even before this tragedy happened, and she knew them. so this is very personal, this is very painful. she was tasked with the responsibility to watch whatever video they were going to allow us to see, even though we didn't know it was going to be 20 second snippet. she watched it and she documented it, over and over again to make sure she could relate to you all what happened. so when you heard from the family, you didn't have to rely solely on them because their heart was breaking as they watched the video. in fact, patrice had to run out the room, couldn't take it.
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thank god, kalil, he stood there, represented his family as they watched that video 10 to 20 times. knowing every time it ended with them executing his father. >> 20 seconds. >> 20 seconds. attorney lassiter will now tell you, shawn tell lassiter will now tell you what the video demonstrated. and she may refer to her notes. it is pretty clear what they did. >> we know why they want to keep it from us. >> attorney lassiter and kalil. >> take your time. >> please be quiet so she won't have to scream.
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>> let's be clear, this was an execution. andrew brown was in his driveway, the sheriff truck blocked him in his driveway so he could not exit his driveway, andrew had his hands on the steering wheel. he was not reaching for anything, he wasn't touching anything, throwing anything around, he had his hands firmly on the steering wheel. they brought him out of the vehicle shooting. he still sat there in the vehicle with his hands on the steering wheel while being shot at. keep in mind, this is 20 seconds. i have three pages of notes for 20 seconds. we watched it over and over and over to make sure we were clear what was going on and
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transpiring. he finally decides to try to get away and backs out, not going toward the officers at all. at no time in the 20 seconds we saw he was threatening the officers in any kind of way. he was trying to evade being shot. so he backs out, not forward, away from officers, still shooting at him yelling, stop that mother fucker, stop that mother fucker. being yelled at in the driveway of his home. i am taking my time, y'all, but it was 20 seconds. he finally backs out and then
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goes around to get out of danger, goes around, still avoiding any interaction with the officers. still trying to make sure he did not threaten them in any way, that they weren't in danger. he backs out, goes around them, they're still shooting at him while he is driving off. he drives off, the car runs into a tree, they're still running behind him. make sure i get it right with guns that were there. bush master ar 223s, glock 17 handguns. it was numerous. >> assault. >> numerous assault rifles at the scene. we saw one video, 20 seconds, from one body cam, at least eight officers there, only saw one body cam. it was a sheriff's truck there, didn't see dash cam video, saw one body cam.
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he was still, want to make it clear, the car already crashed into the tree, they were still in the stance of shooting toward him. his car is riddled at bullets of them shooting at him when he wasn't threatening them in any form or fashion. >> before it started, they have -- >> kalil noticed and we kept rewinding, there were shell casings before he backed out. they were shooting at him when he was sitting there with his hands on the steering wheel in the driveway. >> and before the video started. >> and also, we only saw again, that 20 seconds, there were things transpired we didn't see. i don't know how many shots are fired before the 20 seconds they allowed to see. shots in the windshield before he was able to back out of the driveway. >> just step here, kalil.
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>> it is like we against all odds in this world. my dad got executed just by trying to save his own life. he was not in no -- the officers was not in no harm of him at all. just messed up how this happened, you know? for real. he got executed. it ain't right. it ain't right at all. >> at this time, the attorneys will try to answer your questions. >> let me tell my friends in the media i think we learned this from the case of george floyd,
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that after the night of the incident with george floyd was murdered, the police department put out a press release that said man dies from medical incident. i want you to keep that fresh in your mind. i want all of you all to help us. i want every camera out here to help us because do not let them pass off 20 seconds from eight different cameras, not giving us the dash cam video and the fact we know there were cameras on the house and on other poles. >> that they have possession of. >> i want my friends in the media to go out and demand justice for the country to see. this is bigger than andrew. you know, god uses us in
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mysterious ways. and i looked attica legal before we went in, i said you about to see something you never seen before. i can't imagine what it would be like to see my dad executed on camera. kalil stood strong. he stood strong. but he is now a victim of a broken system from the way they interacted to the way they're covering it up. with that, i guess you'll take questions. harry, ben, i took the bar exam a few times, they're smarter than i am. >> i will say this, all of the media, why is it they get to choose what's the pertinent parts of video to show the family? i mean, they were going to show the video to the family and then at the last minute, harry, decided we going to redact it and all this stuff. where is that written in the statute that the family doesn't have the right to see the entire video or they only going to try
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to show the public the pertinent parts? so say them? or are we going to get to see the whole video. all nine body cameras that were available, all of the dash cam from the police car that was available, and then attorney said there was a camera on the light pole. we want all of it. that's what transparency is. let us see with our own eyes. we don't need you to interpret it for us. >> do you know how many different officers were wearing it at this point? >> you can answer it. >> you take over. >> repeat the question. >> could you tell how many officers were wired? >> at least seven or eight
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numbers there. the number, we lost count, 20 seconds, lost count of how many shots. >> police vehicles marked or unmarked? >> marked. >> in uniform or -- >> some was in s.w.a.t., some had on jeans and khakis with upper part in uniform. >> in the audio portion, did you hear them identify themselves, hear them say to him who they were and you need to stop. >> they cut that part out. 20 seconds, didn't get a lot. all they said was, let me look at the note, make sure i get it correct. >> take your time. >> second one. guns drawn, pointing at him, like his hands are on the steering wheel. let me see your hands. hands are on the steering wheel. it was at least five on the
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driver side pointing guns at him, let me see your hands. that's what it started at the one second mark. >> you didn't see the beginning of them driving up? >> no. >> any video with them standing with guns pointed at him? >> shots already being fired by the time we saw it, someone was running from the other side of the street, another officer. >> not before, but what you saw, as soon as the video starts, you hear shots. >> yes. >> and to my understanding, body cam that was shown was an officer furthest away, not the officers right in front of him. that's the body camera they chose. >> five cops on the driver's side. >> no, we didn't see that. >> vantage point behind the car. >> side of the car, across the street. the officer we saw. >> so was he the one that shoots? >> he was shooting at some point, yes.
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>> the video started with shots coming, execution in elizabeth city. [ inaudible ] >> they're shooting, saying let me see your hands at the same time. >> and make sure shall he is complying. hand on the steering wheel, even though he complied, they're still shooting at him. >> it was always starting in reverse, he was intentionally trying not to back up. he backed up and went around trying to intentionally not hit officers. [ inaudible ]
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>> let me answer that, when we first went in, i said yes, how long is the video. he said, not saying he, county attorney said i'm only showing you the pertinent parts. that was 20 seconds to them, not the part they shoot before the video came on. the pertinent parts is mr. brown getting shot at before the video starts. but they didn't want to show that to us. that wasn't pertinent to them. >> what led up to the shooting was not pertinent. [ inaudible ] >> let me help you answer questions about discernment between what was shown and not shown. you have to ask them. they going to come out of one of these doors. not y'all, but they've done a good enough job putting out the warrants, they're going to talk about his record. >> assassinate his character. >> they're going to call him
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everything but a child of god. so we don't know the answer to that. they said wednesday they're going to court. >> they should be arrested now. right now. >> and you know, you all, when the video is released, you will get to answer to question. obviously we in black america don't understand why when a black person is pulling away from you, you think it is allowable to shoot them in the back and kill them. so i believe if the law says that you're not posing a threat or fear and you still kill somebody, that's murder. >> that was an assassination.
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>> who is controlling the process? >> county attorney. the county attorney. direct your questions towards him. >> i want to be honest with everybody. the sheriff's perspective was he wanted the family to see the video today. that's what he stated. he said the family came, he wanted them to see the video. i don't have any reason, he said i don't know, we not going to dictate what's on it, what's not. not dictating who is in a room, who is not. all the decisions were made by the county. i can't tell you why they made the decisions, but he is here. >> county attorney. >> was the district attorney or anyone from the office here? >> no. >> one of the best questions we can ask as journalists. one of the questions i want you to ask is how do you redact? how do you redact body cam video
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without the prosecuting agency? right? if i'm outside and commit a crime, you can't have somebody that works with you every day redact the video. >> and decide what's pertinent. >> we don't know whether it is known. we don't know. >> we didn't interact with the county attorney. >> two more. >> i'm going to take black women's questions.
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>> apparently there's a lawsuit filed by the media to get the video released and there are arguments made to superior court judge and they're going to decide whether to release it to the public or not. >> i would hope that your work joins the lawsuit. >> y'all offered for the county attorney to talk to the state attorney general and the governor. >> not the governor. i offered him directly to talk to the attorney general's office to get in terp tags of the law. >> and he refused.
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>> y'all, quick, last one. >> in an elementary way explain when not given all that footage what questions remain, how it is footage you have not gotten, as a lawyer, what are you wondering. >> it is simple, not even as a lawyer, my eight-year-old daughter would understand, they're trying to hide something, don't want us to see everything. thank you all for your attention. we will have a press conference at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow with the results of the independent autopsy. right here. >> all right. you're watching the attorneys for the family of andrew brown jr. as well as some family members holding a passioned news conference in elizabeth city, north carolina. we want to apologize to viewers for some of the strong language you heard there. attorneys say the family viewed only a part, 20 seconds to be
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precise, of body cam footage of brown's fatal shooting at the hands of police. what one lawyer described as only a 20 second snippet. authorities say brown was shot and killed in the execution of a felony drug arrest. the family talking about this saying that they were denied transparency. the lawyer that you saw there calling for full transparency immediately asking for both the dash cam video as well as body cam of nine officers believed to be at the scene. that's according to lawyers representing the brown family. joining me, assistant professor of criminal justice at quinnipiac that served as a police officer. we're going to be joined momentarily by correspondent kathy park live there in elizabeth city. let me begin with what we saw there collectively because
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anyone that was watching this could immediately ascertain that the lawyers as well as family were angered by the shenanigans of what we saw play out. that is they were told according to lawyers that they would be given access to the videos of the shooting and yet in "the 11th hour," according to ben crump, that changed. the family was denied legal presence they wanted in that screening room and were saying because of the county attorney, michael cox, who denied them access to it, according to bakari sellers, using strong language saying he would not be bullied. what do you make of what we witnessed, the transparency that the family and lawyers can't see anything but a 20 second video. >> first and foremost this private tragedy is our public
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tram a, so we share in this family grievance, they're grieving and their lost. transparency is the greatest disinfectant, but sunshine is the greatest balm. at this important historic moment to increase police and community relations, it is quite important that law enforcement agencies with transparent and to show the footage that clearly is available as soon as possible because we have to do everything at this point to increase trust between communities of color and also trust with the police department. i think this situation is clear. i understand michael cox's interest. but i think this is clear. tennessee versus garner says you
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can't shoot a fleeing felon unless and only if that particular felon proves to be a threat against the officers or other people, if that individual may cause death and injury of someone else, and the court was very clear. the court stated that ignoring an officer's verbal command is not just cause to use lethal force to apprehend that person in layman's terms. so the evidence was admitted by an officer, that this individual was shot in the back, shot in the back of the head, it became clear to me that we're going to relive this unending, unyielding nightmare of police shootings, of unarmed african americans. >> and to your point, the way it was described by one of the attorneys was an execution. her word, not mine, in terms of the way andrew brown jr. was
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complying with the officers based on that. to your point what do you think the police and county attorney would want to have that information. we are getting this account from lawyers of the family, and what they're describing is unfortunately a grim picture as you saw, saying he was complying, trying to evade them, not hurt them. wouldn't police and county officials say here's the case and argument and full video to see, what they've done by releasing the 20 second snippet is allow for one version of the story to come out now. >> certainly. that's a great question. if i was leading the department, i certainly would want to have some transparency, to have some sunshine. if the argument is that this was a legitimate or justifiable shooting, certainly you want to provide evidence of that.
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you want to provide that exculpatory evidence for offices. clearly there's something amiss. and if it isn't the department there are making tragic steps in order to reassure the community. what i think will happen is because of the missteps by the sheriff, because of the missteps by the county lawyer, it is only going to attract more people to the state of north carolina to elizabeth city, and then we're going to have an all out crisis on our hands. this was an important juncture to allay concerns of those constituents and residents. and that was failed at best, blun dered opportunity. >> we have kathy mark live for us. kathy, you were at the news conference, the family of andrew
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brown jr. finally allowed to view what they describe as a snippet, 20 seconds to be precise of video. review for us what they said they saw. >> reporter: so ayman, obviously there was a lot of anticipationa lot of anticipation waiting for the release of this footage and it was only from one body camera and there was it appears one attorney present and they wanted to get the details of this. we were told that at one point that mr. brown was kind of stuck in the driveway because the sheriff backed in but i want to share more, go this sound bite we pulled from the attorney who was in the room watching this footage. >> andrew brown was in his driveway. the sheriff truck blocked him in
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his driveway so he could not exit the driveway. andrew had his hands on the steering wheel why he was not reaching for anything. not throwing anything around. he had the hands firmly on the steering wheel. they run up to his vehicle shooting. >> oh no! >> sure did. >> he still stood there sitting with the vehicle with the hands on the steering wheel while being shot at. >> reporter: so once again it is just 20 seconds and when asked will we get to see more and apparently they'll be going to the courts on wednesday. there's a pending lawsuit, several people have put in requests to get the full version so the public can see this and here in north carolina a judge has the authority to release the footage so that's essentially the next step but today two family members saw just 20 seconds of this and in their
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words they believe their father was executed. >> i want to talk about and i hate to say this because we have seen so many of these shootings that we have almost become familiar with the process of how this plays out in the public. to the point about the way that the county attorney poke to him saying that he would not be bullied today, the demeanor of how a county official speaking to a representative of the family and the way the family has been treated in this process, we're on day five of this and to their point the lawyer saying it was the sheriff who agreed with releasing more of the video and the county attorney who refused to look at the statute or engage with the attorney general about the interpretation of the statute, what do you make of that behavior? >> it harkens back to unfortunately the dred scott
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decision in which also the supreme court who eventually decided the tennessee v. gardner case stated that african-americans have no rights, that the courts are bound to respect, but in a sense the larger society particularly in the south does not respect the status or authority or intellect unfortunately of some of their citizens. in this case african-american citizens so we still see the communities, our society haunted by this reality of this sentiment that we deserve no respect. the 20 second, i want to think about the 20 seconds in the process. the process is that there's an excessive use of force ultimately death -- injury or death why the community grieves, protest. been almost 20 seconds you are
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on to the next shooting so we are in this sort of violent cycle where there is never a moment to fully grieve, to fully heal. and this is pretty sad. to think about 2021 this is where we are as a country. >> yeah. absolutely heartbreaking that it happened again. thank you for your time, insight and analysis. kathy park, thank you, as well. we want to put the spotlight on a story coming from capitol hill. the census bureau are w the first results of the 2020 count and will essentially be used to determine how many congressional seats each state gets and the electoral votes. here to break down the results is nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki at the big board. some significant changes here why what are you seeing?
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>> yeah. interesting change just what you will see here, these are the number of house seats that each state is going to have starting with the 2022 midterm elections for the next decade. so here let me show you the changes. the states that are going to be gaining a seat. a seat at least in the house. this is the list. there are half a dozen states that be gaining led by texas, the only state that's going to have a gain of more than one seat. texas will end up with two additional seats in the house. that reflects just growing population in texas, growing population relative to other states in the country. texas will have 38 house seats starting in next year's midterm elections for a decade, a gain of two for them. florida picks up a seat up to 28. north carolina 14. they'll be up a seat. colorado, oregon, montana. some long term trends here.
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texas, florida, north carolina, these are states that have been gaining. the sun belt is gaining for decades now so these are the states that are going to gain representation. at who's expense are they going to gain seats? let me show you the state that is will lose house seats. here for the first time in history california became a state back in 1850. this is the first time since california was admitted to the union that it's going to lose seats. currently has 53. next year california will have 52 house seat just a decline of one seat there. california had gone up or at least not gone down since its founding in 1850. this is the first time california will go down in terms of a number of house seats. new york state will lose one. illinois, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, west virginia. again, the big broader long term trend here sun belt states that we showed you gaining over time.
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industrial states, midwest states losing. by the way, they say it matters to fill out. the difference between new york losing this house seat and walking away clean 89 more people. if there had been. for forms from new york state they wouldn't be losing a state. >> incredible. i'll leave it to the pundits to analyze how this favors either two parties. steve live for us, thank you. that wraps up this very busy hour for me. i'll see you back here at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "deadline white house" starts after this quick break. lend of s so you can emerge your best with emergen-c. how great is it that we get to tell everybody how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? i mean it... uh-oh, sorry... oh... what? i'm an emu! no, buddy! only pay for what you need.
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