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today on velshi. cyber ninjas at it in arizona. bizarre chapter of the big lie yet with a local reporter who got around the ban on journalists to make it inside the recount that's being run by republicans who might just be the sorest losers on the planet. plus, biden nears 100 days in office, we'll have a brand-new exclusive nbc news poll full of numbers that tell the story of a remarkable turnaround. then, fresh off the administration's sweeping pledge to cut emissions in half by 2030, i'll talk with the first ever white house national climate adviser gina mccarthy. velshi starts now. good morning, i'm ali velshi. sunday, april 25th. biden's 96th day in office. symbolic 100th day in georgia with a main event drive-in rally
to tout the administration's accomplishments. at the top of the next hour, we'll get a fresh new look at just how americans feel about biden and the job he's done on everything from the covid-19 pandemic to the situation at the southern border to his infrastructure plan. in a brand-new exclusive nbc news poll. georgia has got a lot of meaning for biden. he won with the democrats in the senate to the utter disbelief of the delusional former president and select sycophantic republicans. also promoted $1.9 trillion american rescue plan but that trip changed drastically following the deadly mass shootings at three atlanta area spas. six of the eight people killed were asian american women and the focus shifted to the spike in asian american hate since the start of the pandemic. biden's 100 day in office comes amid the aftermath of former police officer derek chauvin being found guilty in a court of law of murdering george floyd.
and as we as a country and a community continue to take stock of where things stand for the future of policing, justice and accountability. a stark report from the associated press reveals in the 24 hours after the chauvin verdict, there were at least six more police killings across the united states with various circumstances surrounding each of them. they include 16-year-old makiyah bryant in ohio. the following body camera footage may be disturbing. the officer responding to a report of a disturbance. physically struggling with women in a driveway. appears to be wielding a knife and shot four times by the officer. just ten seconds elapsed from the time the officer exits his car to when he opens fire. demonstrators have taken to the streets of columbus since the killing. the overwhelming sense is that makiyah bryant, a teenager, didn't need to die. >> you wanted to get somebody
out of the situation, there's a taser. i mean, i feel like his intentions were to kill her because he shot not once but four times and it's just, there were just so many options that could have happened. >> joining me live in columbus, ohio. nbc news correspondent chris pallone. what's the latest in the investigation? >> reporter: good to be with you. after an initial flurry of information released by the city and the police department here in the form of those body cam videos, also dash cam video and a few press conferences, now we've gone into radio silence when it comes to the investigation. that's because the state has taken over the investigation. that's state law that whenever there's a fatal police shooting like this, the highest investigative body in the state here in ohio, the bureau of criminal investigations under the direction of the attorney general takes over this investigation. and so the attorney general has spoken with our local nbc affiliate here just to talk
broadly about the investigation saying that it will be exhaustive and take about 400 hours of investigation. you know, depending on how many people they dedicate that. they could take quite a while for them to interview all the witnesses, all those people who were on the scene there, review all the tape and try to decide whether this was what they called justified in terms of police policy and procedure. speaking very generally, the interim police chief here has said it is generally columbus police policy that an officer can use deadly force if he believes that his own or another person's life is in danger, but they were making no judgments about this case in saying that, ali. >> chris, thank you for your reporting. we'll, of course, stay on this with you. chris pallone in columbus ohio. meanwhile, in north carolina, seven sheriff's deputies are on paid
administrative leave following the fatal shooting of andrew brown jr., a 42-year-old black man in the town of elizabeth city. they were serving and brown was considered a higher risk due to his criminal history and the charges against him. body camera footage exists but yet to be released. according to local officials, police need an order from a judge before they can show it to the public and that's a little comfort to brown's family and friends who spoke out yesterday afternoon. >> his family needs answers. we need answers. it's not right. we should have been here. >> live every day. my newborn without getting a chance to him at all and that's going to hurt me every day. i just want justice. >> this is what justice and truth demands. release the tapes. at least let the family see the tapes. eyewitnesses have said andrew
was driving away from officers when they shot him. now, the audio report said they had a suspect that was shot in the back. we need to see tapes. >> nbc news kathy park joins me on when to expect the body camera footage to be made public. kathy? >> reporter: ali, it has been four days since the shooting death of andrew brown jr. and the community and his family want to see the body camera footage. now the sheriff says he will now take formal steps to release it. >> no justice, no peace. what's his name? andrew brown. >> reporter: growing pressure to release body camera footage after deputies shot and killed andrew brown jr. >> we are demanding that we have transparency and accountability. >> reporter: city officials file a formal request for the sheriff's department monday requesting the footage be turned
over to them and the public. >> if denied, the request is to be forwarded to the district attorney's office as well as to superior court. >> reporter: sheriff tommy wooten wants the footage released too. >> file a motion in court, hopefully monday. >> reporter: wednesday, the deputies attempting to serve a search and arrest warrant when shots were fired. >> we have one male, 42 years of age, gunshot to the back. >> reporter: seven deputies are now on administrative leave and the sheriff said three others left the department but their decision was not related to the shooting. none of the individuals had been identified. >> any of my deputies violate the law or policies, they will be held accountable. >> reporter: as more time passes, frustration is building, especially for family who are waiting to see what happened during brown's last moments. >> my nephews did not deserve
that. say his name. >> andrew brown. >> reporter: the governor joining the calls for accountability tweeting, the death of brown is extremely concerning and the footage should be made public as quickly as possible. elizabeth city now the latest community on edge after a deadly law enforcement shooting. outside sheriff's office will now be coming in to investigate the shooting and question all those involved. the focus will be to see if they need to take any sort of disciplinary action. ali? >> kathy park. thank you, on this story. joining me, patrick skinner, a police officer in savannah, georgia. also a former cia operations officer and former member of the u.s. capitol police. in a new piece in the "washington post," he explains just how the verdict in the trial of former officer derek chauvin is a message for him and his police colleagues, writing in part, quote, as powerful as the murder conviction of former
police officer derek chauvin is, what we do next, as a country in general, but also police in particular, will go a long way in determining whether systemic positive police reform is possible. it is in this time, immediately after the verdict, that several things, which are entirely within my control as a police officer, have to happen. officer skinner, thank you for joining me. we appreciate your time. one of the first points that you make in your op-ed is that police must not be defensive. we must not circle the wagons. not all cops is exactly the wrong reaction. even if that's true, not all cops are bad, it's also irrelevant. please tell me about that. >> it's a natural reaction to any kind of criticism where one cop's bad actions speak for the entire profession, which, of course, is unfair but it's not reasonable right now. there are massive issues,
historical issues, current issues. so me saying, look, i haven't done anything personally wrong is not enough anymore. it's not. i tried to do that for a while. i said, look, i'm not to blame because i didn't do it but i am responsible because i raised my hand. so i did that. but i think that i probably was a little bit wrong, that i have to take it personally, but i still can't be defensive. i need to be outraged. i need to be concerned. and i need to act. >> patrick, that sounds easier than it probably is, right? this concept of, i'm not to blame but i am responsible. how does that actually happen for police because from what i have heard most recently after the conviction of derek chauvin has been some sense of, everybody's targeting us with the same brush. >> it's uncomfortable. no one wants to be blamed for something they didn't do. but we have to understand, we hold the power of the state.
i don't think you should be thin skinned when wielding the power of the state. we have immense authority, immense power and with that, well, there's going to have to take the criticism and we're going to have to change. i don't think it's that hard though. understand the point of the job, it's not compliance. somehow we've got pigeon holed into the whole point of this job is to you do what i tell you. in some cases, yes, of course but some things are life or death. i'm not talking about when someone has a knife, the cop should slow down to deescalate, even though you should always go slower than your judgment. i'm saying that, don't create those situations. don't speed up, don't rush into things to make it worse, don't assume the worse intentions of your neighbors and i use that term very deliberately because they are more neighbors. one, i live right here, down the street but also that, we're not at war. we're police officers. i'm not at war with my
neighbors. i don't think it's that hard. i think it just needs to be something we do every single day. there has to be more mindfulness in this. >> one of the things you talk about is police being able to accept the idea that if we can't do our jobs the way we've done it so far, then we can't do it at all. this requires some sophisticated thinking about what an evolution or a change in policing that you were just speaking about looks like. >> yeah, some people say, well, if you take away this tactic, a choke hold or whatever it is, then you hear criticism that says, well, what are they supposed to do? let everyone go or if i can't do this, then i can't do anything. the politicians or the elected officials, who we work for, don't want us to do the job so we wouldn't do it. i reject that. i think that there are more options than do nothing and do it wrong. i get very, very annoyed and tired of listening to people saying if i couldn't have shot
him, there's nothing else i could have done or if i hadn't pulled over somebody for a registration issue at gunpoint, there's nothing i could have done. there's an entirety universe of things you can do and larger than that is why are these police issues to begin with? why are police doing minority property crimes and no injury wrecks on private property, why are they doing traffic? there are exceptions. drunk driving is a huge issue. speeding is a huge issue. but maybe we have to reimagine what policing means and when everyone uses that term. maybe reimagine what it means to be a police officer in america but also, what it means to call the police in america. because right now, you call 9-1-1, it's the police. >> that's right. that is, wow, you've hit on a lot of stuff here, patrick and i appreciate it because you brought, as a police officer, your voice into a critical conversation that cannot be had without police officers, not just police leadership, police
officers being in the conversation. so i appreciate hearing from you. patrick skinner is a police officer in savannah, georgia, also a former cia operations officer and a former member of the united states capitol police. thank you, patrick. india is in the throes of a covid catastrophe. hospitals there have r so overwhelmed that they're running out of oxygen and patients are literally dying as they wait in line. the death toll is rising by the thousands each day. plus, a new internal report reveals facebook's failure to stop far-right groups from planning to storm the capitol. the reaction, hindsight is 2020. gina mccarthy on what america needs to do to regain status in its global fight against climate change. more velshi coming up. fight age change more velshi coming up. postal service has always been about so as your business changes, we're changing with it with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now
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and facing a humanitarian catastrophe. today, india posted a fourth consecutive day where it had a record number of infections. staggering 349,691 in one day. roughly 2,000 people are dying daily. hospitals are overwhelmed. quickly running out of oxygen and other resources. sky news on the worsening situation in the world's second most populous country. >> reporter: the emergency room of one of biggest hospitals, making way for more. most in this room are dying and they haven't been admitted yet to the hospital. the doctors are simply overwhelmed. scrambling for oxygen and reduced to begging for help on social media. india set a worldwide record nobody wants for a second day topping global daily coronavirus cases. they're shocked and ashamed at
how the country's health care system is all but breaking. the weak and ill have spilled out on to the pavement outside and there's no dignity in death here. the final few breaths taken by this man came after his brother had begged for oxygen for him for six hours. some turned out barely able to walk. only to turn around immediately after being told they'd be better off trying elsewhere. whilst this family brought their mother. saw her dying minutes after reaching what they hoped was help. this hospital is useless, she shouted. but it's not isolated in its inability to cope right now. only grief is here in abundance.
distraught relatives with few staff and even less hope. india's now home to the fastest growing coronavirus seem resistant to the vaccines. unable to control it and unprepared to deal with it. sky news in dehli. >> wow. while that's going on, america trying to establish herd immunity. vaccine hesitancy and hard to reach communities. i'll talk to one local doctor doing her part to vaccinate america and she's getting recognition from the white house. d she's getting recognition from the white house.
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one dose drug. as you recall, it was temporarily shelved after concerns it put people specifically women under 50 at risk of developing a rare blood clotting disorder. it will be distributed with an added warning label. rashell walensky maintains that the benefit outweighs the risk of the vaccine. >> in terms of benefits, we found that for every one million doses of this vaccine, the j&j vaccine could prevent over 650 hospitalizations and 12 deaths among women age 18 to 49 and this vaccine could prevent over 4700 hospitalizations and nearly 600 deaths among women over 50. >> meanwhile, the biden administration surpassed another covid milestone this week. 200 million vaccine doses administered in the first 100 days in office which is double the initial goal.
the country has done well so far in this regard but the daily vaccination rate which currently stands at about 3 million per day is expected to moderate and fluctuate going forward. if the country is to reach herd immu immunity, 70% needs to be vaccinated. doses to hard to reach populations and convincing vaccine skeptics they are, in fact, a good idea. to that end, upping their game with the next phase of pitching and distributing covid vaccines. enlisted the help of local and national groups which is calling covid-19 community corps to reach out to family, friends and neighbors to persuade them to get vaccinated. joining me now, the founder of the black doctors covid-19 consortium and pediatric and general surgeon on the front lines testing thousands of people in philadelphia and now vaccinating them and she's been
my go-to guru on all things vaccination. dr. stanford, so good to see you again. let me ask you. you and i talked about vaccine hesitancy months ago and one of the things you said is, for the time being, what you can use is all the vaccine you can get because you've got enough people who actually want it. now countrywide, we've got a situation including here in new york where you can get vaccine and generally, speaking, get appointments and we're bumping up against, we're almost up to capacity of people who want it and now we've got to deal with people who don't necessarily want it. tell me how this looks from your perspective. >> so from our perspective, you've got to be innovative. you have to change as the trends are changing. so for example, yesterday, we were in fairmount park. we had a huge event called the philly vax in north philadelphia where it's surrounded by residential area, public housing. people could walk to get vaccinated and i now know that 52% of the people we vaccinated
were ages 18 to 54 and 96% were african-american. that's even a record for us. so what it points out to me is that we have to keep going to where the people are. when all they have to do is weak up in the morning, get dressed and go across the street to get vaccinated, it makes a difference. when a friend can say, hey, let's go over here. i already got mine. i'll sit with you. and we had music. it's an amp theatre. we had dj and it was fun. it was joyous. it didn't feel like we were in the middle of a pandemic and we did that safely outside in the community. >> tell me what progress you believe you've made in terms of members of the community, white or black, who are vaccine hesitant, at the beginning said, i don't know, i haven't seen this for long enough. it was created in a big hurry and what impact the johnson & johnson pause had on vaccine
skeptics. >> so there's no doubt that it did have an impact. and you have to keep asking folks, what are you concerned about but honestly, if a woman is 35 years old and she has other co-morbid conditions, johnson & johnson may not be right for her. by the same token, if it's someone who is 75 or 80, j&j may be the right dose. you've got to talk to folks because everything is not for everyone. we're fortunate to have options. pfizer is available. moderna is available. let's talk about how you getting vaccinated helps you, helps me, helps the community and gives you freedom are things slowly start to open up because i do believe you're going to need to be vaccinated to get in to certain things and making a lot of young folks perk up about getting vaccinated and if i can, ali, the other thing is the
community corps is great through president biden. hospitals have got to be more accountable. it can't just be we're open. come to the hospital. as those funds are delegated and allocated to the hospitals, they have to have a corps of people that goes out. there's no reason why the vaccination rate should be low when there's a hospital right smack in the middle of the community. they should have a force out every day in the churches, in the parks, in the rec centers to say we're here every day. they have more resources than i. than these other community groups and i think accountability from the administration will help us get that mark. >> dr. stanford, as always, thank you for taking time to talk to us. you make it a lot more clear for my viewerers. founder of the black doctors covid-19 consortium in
philadelphia. the big lie about election fraud spread on social media like wildfire. republicans in arizona still believe it. coming up next, the bizarre republican ballot recount in arizona and facebook's role in the whole thing. joe biden making history for the first time as american president recognized the mass killings of ethnic ar meanians as genocide. they lost their lives massacred more than a century ago by recognizing that, president biden broken with former u.s. presidents who avoided the topic because they wished to remain in good standing with turkey which is a nato ally. turkey's foreign minister responded telling in ankara the statement has no legal standing and will hurt u.s. turkey relations. more velshi in a moment. turkey relatis.on more velshi in a moment. >> tech: every customer has their own safelite story.
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republicans in arizona appear to be living in 2020. they've launched a hand count of paper ballots, recount of paper ballots from the november election in maricopa county. that recount is going on this weekend. 173 days since the election and as we near joe biden's 100th day in office, the gop continues to try to delegitimize an election they lost fair and square. arizona republicans hired a private cyber security company called cyber ninjas to conduct the audit. its founder was a trump supporter who boosted the big lie about election fraud on social media. journalists have been denied
access to this audit, by the way. some local reporters have resorted to signing up as observers to gain access and witness what's happening in maricopa county. if you try to figure out how we got here to a place where a significant portion of one political party does not accept the results of an american election, all roads lead to disinformation in social media companies and their failure to stop its ved. spread. one of the biggest tech companies is well aware it helped magnify the big lie that it was stolen from donald trump but facebook publicly refused to take responsibility for the spread of the information that led to the capitol riot. buzzfeed obtained internal facebook report that allegedly shows they does know it was responsible. it finds that facebook failed to stop a highly influential movement from using its platform to delegitimize the election, encourage violence and help incite the capitol riot.
the takeaway. the report said hindsight is 2020. at the time, it was difficult to know whether what we were seeing was a coordinated effort to delegitimize the election or whether it was free expression by users who were afraid and confused and deserved our empathy. hindsight being 2020 makes it to look back at the election delegitimizing movement, that grew and helped incite the capitol insurrection. brandy, i've been dying to speak to you about this because to you, this wasn't a surprise. this whole hindsight is 2020 thing that facebook is coming up with. people like you knew that they must know that they've got organizations and people who are deliberately trying to spread disinformation about the election leading to the january 6th riots were using facebook and other social media platforms very effectively.
>> sure, i mean, this report, as reported by buzzfeed lays out what we saw with our eyes that stop the steal, the patriot party movements, they organized at the capitol on facebook at first and how they got huge people to come to their movements. these internal task forces, these are really common at facebook. reports all the time and they're leaked a lot because they're posted on the company board and increasingly, employees at facebook are really unhappy. this report specifically shows that people who are organizing the stop the steal movements were acting as sort of super inviters and working in coordination with each other to invite hundreds of simple thet sympathetic users and private locations. this is all the same stuff that trolls did in 2016 before the election of donald trump. meeting in public/private chats to coordinate behavior online
and get a big response spread to spread information. we know it happens like this. facebook knows that it happens like this. this is just very common. the other thing with the report that was really important was last year, facebook did something really good. they banned militia groups and qanon groups but they didn't ban any of the members. all the members that had stayed there were just as radicalized because of facebook in large part and ready to jump on to the next disinformation power group and that's exactly what happened. >> so you've made it, you started making an interesting distinction between groups or influencers that spread disinformation or users that spread it as misinformation, not really sure, not part of anything necessarily. obviously, facebook and social media companies have to be able to make that distinction. do they have the tools to be able to say, this isn't just confused people who are fearful who deserve our empathy, these are actual spreaders of disinformation?
>> this is a $29 billion company with some of the most sophisticated engineers, the smartest people on the planet, do they have the tools? absolutely. the problem is that facebook doesn't have the ability to sort of make decisions quickly. so for this example, they're really interested in coordinated and authentic behavior. like what the russians did, right? but it can't and fails to act consistently on users who are authentically their real selves using facebook to spread disinformation and organized violence. they can't say, this is against the spirit of our policy. so they're really slow to act on movements like this because they don't want to seem as being involved in messing with free expression, mark zuckerberg famously said they don't want to be arbiters of truth even though the algorithms are constantly pushing us to do certain things or telling us what is true or what is not in its own way and it's only reacting to negative
press, it's only reacting after mass violence and if it does keep doing that, this is just going to keep happening. >> it's an interesting distinction between inauthentic actors pretending to be americans versus americans not pretending to be anything but spreading this disinformation. thanks to you for joining us this morning. brandy, if you don't follow brandy's stuff on social media, you should. she has the best analysis of these problems. a pentagon panel is recommending a major shift in how the military handles sexual assault cases. it's a welcome change but overdue. troye carter won louisiana's special congressional election yesterday and is now on his way to the united states house of representatives. the congressman elect will take over the second congressional district. the region that covers parts of
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since 1998 when data started being collected by the rape abuse and incest national network, 17 pbt.7 million women in this country have become victims of rape or attempted rape which means there are more than 2,100 a day forced to live with the trauma that unfolds after such an event. often with sexual assault comes the feeling of wanting to end it all. of the 94% of women who experienced ptsd two weeks follows an attack, 33% contemplate suicide and 13% attempt it. the numbers are all staggering but the truth is the numbers are likely much higher than this because we live in a world where women feel they cannot come forward over shame or fear of retaliation or not being
believed, especially in the military where women who are attacked or assaulted by men have fewer rights than civilian women do. in a case that aims to reform sexual harassment reporting in the military. vanessa guillen told her family about the sexual harassment she faced and the fear she felt. when her family suggested she rip up her contract with the army and come home, she responded, do you want me to go to jail? people in the military have fewer with how they're handled and the guillen family a year after vanessa's death fighting still to change that by taking the prosecution decision for sex-related offenses out of the soldier's chain of comman i've been talking 73 seconds since the commercial break. in that time, statistically, one person in america has been sexually assaulted. the issue is pervasive in our country and may be worse in the military but how it's handled there. in a 2019 report by the
department of defense, 20,500 service members experienced some form of sexual assault. 13,000 being women. only 670 total cases were filed and only 203 resulted in convictions. a special pentagon panel recommended independent judge advocates, not commanding officers to decide whether to pursue legal charges in such cases moving forward. under the current system, they can decide whether they go to court-martial, result in lesser punishment or dismissed as they often are. i want to make sense of this. joining me now, the former general counsel of the united states and sisters in law podcast, jill, as you know, an msnbc legal analyst. my friend, it is good to see you. thank you for being here. let me just start with the obvious. for our viewers who don't understand why it works this way, why it's different from the civilian process of reporting a crime to the police or if you
tell a doctor that you've been sexually assaulted, they even have certain obligations or a teacher at school. why is it different in the military? >> the military, of course, you would report directly to someone in the military. it doesn't have to be your commander. military. it doesn't have to be your commander. an independent police authority. this whole concept has disincentivized some people from reporting it and the second is
the decisions cannot be made in the chain of command at your work. so it, the sexual assault, our under severe peer pressure not to report a fellow soldier or sailor, airman and that really does prevent a lot of reporting. just let it go. but that has changed. the military has done a significant amount to bring about support for the victims. they have assigned a group of people called victim advocates who are assigned to help the victim through the process whether it is going for a medical examine after the rape, whether it is finding a new place to stay so that the person doesn't have to feel afraid or
sleep in the room where he or she. sleep in the room where he or she. >> the president's authority behind it. he asked or told, i guess, the president, he told secretary of defense austin to start this project and austin really did it fast in typical military way, the commission had 90 days to get their report in and now the report is not final, it is something that has 90 day review process under way right now. although the secretary of defense could decide to release it sooner, that's completely within his discretion. >> i want to show my viewers what we put together of sexual assaults in the military just in
2018. it shows a much higher percentage of women, 6.2% of active duty women and 0.7% of active duty men experience sexual assault in 2018. because there are so many more men than there are women in the military, this actually means numerically, more men were sexually assaulted than women. >> that's something people often overlook. it was one of the, you know, i was on a subcommittee that looked at sexual assault in the military during the obama administration and the numbers were really astounding. you're dealing with an age group that's a high risk. these are soldiers, sailors, airmen, who are basically in their late teens, maybe 17 to 24. whether in college or the military, that's a high risk population and you're right. because the number of men
exceeds the number of women greatly, there are numerically more but statistically, a woman has a much higher chance of being assaulted than a man. what does success look like for women in the military when it relates to sexual assault? >> well, we have, i mean, senators gillibrand and representative spires from california have long advocated for the idea of taking this out of the chain of command. penalized for having no control over the troops if one of the troops had done something this terrible, then he would be responsible. most often, he could be a she
nowadays and very proud to say that. and so that's why they wanted to take it out of the chain of command but the pressure put on commanders has led to commanders basically saying prosecute anything that gets reported. that actually, during the time of my service on this committee, we saw that cases that the staff judge advocate said are terrible cases, there's not enough evidence. he said/she said. there's no corroborating evidence and there's just no way to proceed. but those are being prosecuted anyway, which led to a very high acquittal rate. so when you saw the numbers that you put up about how many cases are reported and how many are convicted, part of the reason is because they were bringing very weak cases and that's not good for the system. it's not good for the defendant and it's not good for the plaintiff. the victim feels revictimized if there isn't a conviction.
i think there's been a lot that happened that we need to take into account which isn't to say that it wouldn't look better if we took it out of the chain of command and had an independent investigation and decision whether to prosecute or not. that's what success might look like here. if we continue the training and develop effective training and rules, consent needs to be defined clearly. have fewer of those. >> jill, always drop the knowledge for us so early in the morning. thank you for being with us. jill wine-banks. author of "the watergate girl." 100 days into joe biden's
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