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because my friend, alex witt has the latest. hi, alex. >> hello, doll. i have to tell you i loved your last conversation and franklin made such a good point about more diversity means more income, there's more box office revenue. >> that's right. >> it is also so much more interesting. you learn so much. i loved "judas and the black messiah" because you got a perspective that wasn't the one that had been put out there for all those years. >> that's right. >> it was so powerful. so anyway, that's kind of fun to think about the oscars. >> next saturday -- not before, my friend. >> thanks, alex. >> a good day to you from world news headquarters, and high noon in the east and 9:00 a.m. out west. we begin with the breaking news of the killing of andrew brown jr. in elizabeth city, north carolina. a news conference within just this last hour and city managers joining the call for the release of the body cam video of the shooting that happened april 21st.
officials have been under increasing pressure after audio recordings suggested late yesterday that brown was shot in the back. >> we have shots fired. we have shots fired. that's 421 perry street. >> we've got one male 40 years of age gunshot to the back and no pulse. >> three deputies resigned and seven others are now on leave during the investigation. let's go right to nbc's kathy park who is joining me with the very latest. welcome. first of all, the video, getting it released. does the city have any power to do that? >> reporter: well, alex, we just heard from the city manager and the mayor of elizabeth city, north carolina, and they addressed that. it's a process. they do need a formal request. they explained how the process works. take a listen. >> there is an official letter
that will be delivered on monday, making a request for the body cam footage to be turned over to us and the public, and so the way that process works is you make that request to the sheriff's office. he has three days to answer a nonresponse is considered a denial according to the north carolina general statute and then at that point we would petition the courts. >> so those elected officials are just part of the growing list of people for the body camera, and we do want to clarify a point. they said that the police department was not involved in serving that search warrant to mr. brown before the deadly shooting, but they responded when they heard shots fired. so really, they were saying that the sheriff's department was involved with serving that
arrest warrant due to drug-related charges and he said that if any of the deputies are found to have violated laws they will be held accountable, but alex, a lot of the details of the shooting are still unclear. they haven't made that information clear, and that's why there is so much pressure for this body camera footage to be released and important to note that in north carolina there is a law that you need to go through the courts to get those released. so it seems that there are some hurdles that need to be crossed before that footage can be made available to the public. >> okay. kathy park, thank you very much for that. we'll get right into this topic as we bring in david henderson, civil rights attorney, former prosecutor and cnbc contributor. welcome back to the broadcast, david. let's get to this particular incident. bodycam video can only be released by court order, but is there no room for a level of discretion in a case like this.
>> alex, of course, there is. you don't go to law school to avoid confrontation. we're seeing in all of these cases is a lack of leadership. people coming forward and saying, listen, we've had a number of concerns about policing across the country. we want to be open and up front about what's going on so here it is. you can tell from the rest of what's happened and officers resigning and officers being put on leave. the department knows that it's at fault here and that's why they're not releasing that video and to the extent that the law prevents it, it is specifically to protect the police in situations like this that doesn't help matters. >> so essentially the delay makes people more suspicious of law enforcement. >> and justifiably so. let's take a number of any number of police killings recently including george floyd. it's not just that the police killed him, it's the way they behaved after he was killed in terms of trying to minimize what happened and covered it up. in most of the cases, it's a
bystanding video that breaks the case wide open. when it comes to police videos the police have a remarkable history of showing us the video when it comes to police and hiding the video when it's not. that's the reason why they're not showing this video and yes, it will lead to the public being more skeptical when we do get to the essence of what happened. >> here's something that was released, the sheriff and his deputy have put out details of andrew brown jr.'s arrest record. they are suggesting that they expected him to try to elude arrest. how does that information play out ultimately. can it hurt them? >> it depends, what you're doing -- this is the same thing we saw in derek chauvin's trial. if you know something bad will come up, before it comes up you try to preempt the damage that it will cause to your case. so this goes back to the question you first asked me about the release of the video. the release of the video benefits the police because they get to control it. they get to control the narrative by saying information
in advance of the video that will influence the public sees it. can they say they expected problems, fine. the police are supposed to be trained to deal with those problems without killing people when it's not necessary? >> yeah. the sound bite that we played, just the transcript, we have shots fired. we have shots fired. 421 perry street. one male, 40 years of age, gunshot to the back. we are doing revival. pulse is gone. how is that going to play into this? >> i mean, i think that speaks for itself. when you shoot someone in the back it's hard to say that that was an essential thing that you had to do to protect yourself which is a narrative in every single one of these cases and police have to make split-second decisions and it's a murky way, and under life and death circumstances and it's necessary for them to use lethal force for them to protect themselveses and it's hard to say it was necessary when you're shooting someone in the back. >> there is a washington post
analysis, and black people in this country are killed by police at twice the rate of white people. what is this? is it a training issue? is it a hiring issue? what do you think is behind this? >> i think it's many things, alex. the key issue is it's a mentality issue. one of the primary problems of policing in america, police are simply too violent and they resort to violence too quickly and they use way too much violence on to control a situation. >> wait a second, david. has that been training? are they not trained properly to understand that they'll be put into really difficult decisions that may have split-second timing where they have to make judgment calls. >> alex, i think it's training, but even beyond training it's part of the culture. the training is not the be all end all. the training is the result of the attitude and the mentality that leads to you constructing the training in the first place and let me put that in context by saying this. if you watch all of these
incidents with the police, you have to conclude they are remackably good at killing people. when it comes to pulling out their guns and shooting it, they're very, very good at it. they managed to show up and ina i splid second they decided they wanted to aim, point, shoot and kill her. >> rayshard, and unholsters, aims, fires and shoots and kills. why aren't they good at restraining people without using their firearms and they have prioritized using their guns and lethal force in their training. to the training, yes, but it didn't start there. >> david henderson, unfortunately, we'll have to have another conversation like this, i'm sure very, very soon. there was an incident in nashville and we'll be talking to you soon about these kinds of
things. they're brutal. thank you. let's go into new calls into the police shooter of ma'khia bryant, this as protesters are pouring out to the streets. they're demanding justice. nbc's cross pollone is joining me from columbus. welcome. what are you hearing there today? >> reporter: alex, good afternoon to you from the ohio state house. we are expecting a demonstration to take place here in a little less than an hour if it happens, it will be the fifth straight day of protest in columbus, ohio. last night demonstrators took to the streets and went to columbus city hall where many are calling for a federal investigation into the columbus police department and the way that they used force much like what's going on in minneapolis right now that the federal government just announced. you'll remember that a columbus police officer was called to a scene here on tuesday and came upon a scene, fired four shots
killing the 16-year-old girl, ma'khia bryant and saying the interim chief said they can use lethal force if they believe that their life or another life was in danger. it appeared to show that ma'khia bryant was a girl with a knife and protesters last night said maybe it's time to take a look and see how the police are trained. >> we need a complete review of the training. they keep saying the training, but we recently have shooting after shooting after shooting. so maybe the training is wrong. we need full, and independent, an independent and full review of the training systems here. >> i'm a mother. i keep running back to that. my daughter at that age was the same size as this young lady, just brings back, you know, this could have been my child. it could have been mine.
>> the columbus police department is not investigating this shooting now in the state of ohio, the state's highest investigators and the bureau of investigations is actually looking into this so the columbus police department is not interviewing witnesses and determining what happened. the police officer, the shooter in this case has been taken off the street. nicholas reardon. it is not just about the killing of a 16-year-old girl and it's a systemic problem that's gone on for 20 years and in the late '90 s, the clinton administration did investigate the columbus police department did investigate them for violations and ended up suing the city. so the people turning out to these events are saying this is a long-running problem that needs to be addressed, alex. >> okay, chris. thank you so much for that. i'll have a conversation to further all of that.
joining me now is congressman joyce beatty, democrat of ohio and chair of the congressional black caucus. congresswoman, thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you for having me. >> i'm glad you're here. we have 16-year-old ma'khia bryant, shot and killed in your district in columbus, ohio. i'm curious, ma'am. your reaction to the shooting and what are you hearing from the constituents in your city? >> we're hearing what you've been saying all across the nation and on tv, enough is enough. people are devastated. this is a teenager. we have to have a better way to de-escalate. >> there were two girls fighting and two adults fighting. so i think we have to look at the system. one size can't fit all. you can't say that you are only trained to shoot to the center of the body. four shots, come on, the first shot would knock the kitchen knife to the ground and when you
look at what happened in franklin county, i'm embarrassed by it. when you look at the number of percentages of fatal shootings at the hand of law enforcement. >> yeah. >> when you look at we're rated 18 out of the 1 hun of the most populous cities in the nation, we need take a longer look, a better look, rather, at our system. how are we training police officers? i find it unacceptable that one way of training, one system, one size cannot fit all. you cannot put four bullets into a 16-year-old's chest. you can't put six bullets into a person's back. now, you know, we're going from a kitchen knife, a sandwich, a cell phone, car keys. we have to call for more transparency, more training. >> and you are echoing the
sentiments of david henderson whom i spoke with a couple of minutes ago saying that police are really good at shooting people. i've heard it suggested you don't want to shoot anybody any time, but that said, why not shoot if you have to, shoot in a leg. shoot in an arm? what is it about this targeting for killing? i mean, how can that be addressed? should that be addressed? >> i think it definitely should be addressed and that's my point of one size fitting all. so if you have a 6-year-old with a knife in her hand looking leak she's going to attack her sister, what? you shoot her four times in the chest? i think it's ridiculous. you can shoot in the air and you look at the video, the first shot the knife was on the ground and people are scattering. it did not make sense. teachers, go and break up fights with knives every day. so there has to be a better way in this situation. i mean, the family is
devastated, you know, the mother cannot even realize yet that her 16-year-old daughter is dead. >> yeah. it's interesting you say that's exactly what i thought when i listened to her. she is in shock. absolutely. >> i had a conversation with her the day after the killing, and think about it, at the same time we're getting the verdict on the george floyd case. we're finding out in my home district in ohio, yet another killing at the hands of law enforcement. it's just not acceptable. >> no. >> nbc news is reporting that some people in your district are calling for a federal probe into the columbus police department. something similar to what the doj announced this week in minneapolis. they're noting since 2015 there have also been more than 30 people fatally shot by people in columbus with more than 20 of them black in five of the cases involving the columbus division
of police. those killed were younger than 18. do you think there should be a federal probe? i mean, i am -- that and what else? >> i am open not only for that, but anything that will bring about change because you just presented those statistics. when you look at we only make up 20% of the black american population and yet we're dying at a rate of a third or 33%. it is the highest, greater of that in cleveland, ohio, which has a greater black population. when you look at many of the studies that have come out they've also made a connection to racial demographics. so i think we have to look at it. i ask myself the question, would this be the same if it were in a suburban white community with white children fighting with a kitchen knife? and it gives me pause when you look at the statistics and when you look at what we're facing. we know there's systemic racism.
we know there's conscious bias. i was pepper sprayed in a peaceful protest. we see it far too often that it is the person what's been killed that's on trial. it is that person. it is that black american and we have to. i am so proud of those protesters who are out there speaking truth to power and writing to us, so i stand with them. >> there has been growing optimism sur i'm curious how those talks are going and how confident you are that a deal could be made and a piece of legislation passed. >> oh, i am very positive. i think it helped us volumes when we received the verdict of guilty, guilty and guilty on all three charges. when we had police officers coming in and testifying for the prosecution saying that it was
the choke hold that for 9 minutes and 29 seconds that caused george floyd's death. it's been clear, if we would have had those things in the george floyd piece of legislation banding the choke hold and the no-knock warrants and letting the registry or checkered past travel with you, it will at least help us move the needle to reduce some of these shootings. so i believe it's going to have a lot of debate and dialogue in the senate. i am very pleased that the congressional black caucus has been out in the forefront. congresswoman karen bass is leading tireless to help this push it forward and the congressional black caucus and talked with him on it. so i am hopeful that the nation
is on our side to make this. >> before i let you go, ma'am. we are talking about the president, we are approaching his 100th day in office and wednesday he addresses a joint session of congress. what do you hope to hear from the president and how do you assess his first hundred days? >> let me just say part of the checklist for the congressional black caucus was to be able to have an opportunity to sit down with the president. we were able to do that. we talked to him and you on priorities matched up with his priorities and covid-19, he's done an amazing job. we have to look at what he inherited, whether it was the lack of attention to covid-19 and injustices. we're in a unique time and he's been dealing with it face-on and i am very pleased with what he's done in the first 100 days. i think his message will be strong. i think it will mirror what he said on the campaign. i think he's going to tout what
he's done and rightly so in the first 100 days and i think he will be welcoming and challenging all in the same breath about how he's going to be bold and build back better. >> we'll all be watching to hear what he says. congresswoman, thank you so much for being on the broadcast. thank you. this breaking news moments ago. president biden has formally declared the killing of armenians by the on the man empire in 1915 as a genocide. nearly 1.5 million people were killed and it comes on armenian genocide remembrance day. it is likely to add to the tensions between the united states and turkey. we will bring you a live report from the white house and discuss this in our next hour. meantime on pause no more. why you should or should not get the johnson & johnson vaccine now that it's again available. who may be the most concerned, next. the most concerned, next
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let's go now to breaking news in the coronavirus pandemic. johnson & johnson vaccinations can resume today after the cdc and the fda lifted that pause over blood clot concerns. an advisory panel telling the agency the benefits outweigh the risks. let's go to cori kaufman in new york city. are they giving j&j, vaccines there or not, cori? they have moderna vaccines going on here and that is in addition to the johnson & johnson shot that is coming back here to the city, new york city, one of the first major metropolitan areas to announce that they will immediately bring back the johnson & johnson shot. that will be through in-home vaccinations and pop-up shots, but when it comes to the city sites you can walk up if you are 18 and older and it's part of the city's efforts to really get the vk out as much as possible.
you mentioned that vote for the johnson & johnson to get it back on the market with a warning label. that vote came at a vote of 10 to 4, and what we are learning is that there were some 8 million doses that happened before the pause of about 15 cases, so it comes down to 1.9 person affected per million doses given out mainly given to women 18 to 49. they're encouraging people to talk to their doctors before johnson & johnson. this is an important step in getting everyone here vaccinated. i spoke with the site's leader here about just in general the vaccine hesitancy. it looks like according to the latest axios poll, the hesitancy has remained the same even before the pouz. 20% of people were unwilling to get the vaccine now that the johnson & johnson shot is coming back. it's about the same, and i spoke with the site leader on here about overcoming that hesitancy. listen to what he told me.
>> i would say that we trust the science and we know that millions of people right now have already gotten vaccinated across the city and across the country and that's what i would encourage folks that a lot of people are getting vaccinated and it's a step for us to serve our communities and helping us to make our way out of this pandemic. so we can get back to doing the things that we love. >> all right, alex. johnson & johnson has 9 million doses ready to go out to the market and it is unclear how many of those will specifically come to new york city, but they say they'll start them up again today. >> cori coffin, appreciate that from new york city. joining me right now is american contributor, dr. patel and dr. natalie azar. dr. patel, you first here. so you told us last week that the pause on j&j,'s vaccine was a good thing. how about the timing of the lift
right now? do you think it's a good thing, as well? >> i do, alex. this was the right outcome and you can avoid the confusion the public has about the pause because they did see this as a dangerous signal and it was a good thing. lifting the pause and reinforcing that this was a vaccine that we can use with adults over the age of 18 and without putting warnings on how we could and could not use it, and getting this vaccine out to harder to reach populations. we're using it in an emergency room so that we can offer it to people so they don't have to come back for a second appointment. those are all of the right things and it will be interesting to see what practitioners and what people like myself and dr. azar are doing when people approach us and say, doctor, which shot should i get? that's where the real conversation is going to happen. >> so during this 11-day pause, and cases of blood clots that
were in women 18 to 49. three deaths, as well. dr. azar, how would you weigh the risk, how would you risk the reward for the shot whether they would get it or have gotten it. would you recommend the women in that age group get the moderna or pfizer shot instead? >> that is the question that we will all want to have the best evidence-based answer for. what was interesting yesterday is i was hoping to get a little bit more information after the review of all the cases some more information about were there any other common denominators amongst the women affected other than the fact that they were female and of a certain age? you know, was there all the traditional risk factors for blood clots and didn't seem to be relevant here such as a history of inherited clotting
disorders and that was not at play here. unfortunately, you really can't identify who will be at risk for this other than women who are of a certain age. so to that point, i'm going to -- i am going to have the conversation based on the science and the epidemiology that was offered to us from yesterday. just look at these numbers. they basically said for women aged 18 to 49, for 1 million doses given, 650 hospitalizations will be prevented and 12 deaths will be prevented. women over the age of 50, 600 deaths prevented. so really, the conversation is really all about harm reduction and the balance of risk and benefit, and yes, of course, if i have a woman who is in her 30s and is very, very concerned i will absolutely say we'll do our best to have you get the pfizer or moderna, but in most cases the benefit does outweigh the
risk, alex. >> dr. patel, dr. azar just read, she's talking about the stats and stuff. is that what that warning is going to be that's alongside any j&j, vaccine going forward? i'm curious would you advise a woman who gets the shot, will the warnings say you need to look out for this or that? do we know specifics about it? >> we do know specifics. the fda has published the language and what we've done is taken the language of the emergency use authorization that has already existed and they've inserted into it basically a description of what these extremely rare adverse events are. i think what dr. azar is talking about is a much more detailed level of a conversation that is not in that warning and where it gets to the bottom line is we have to talk to individuals. they sometimes do not understand risks at the population level. so you're dealing with one person who just wants to understand what's the risk to me, alex, and that's the conversation. so a lot of what we'll be doing
is telling people this is the vaccine and i would encourage anybody, get the vaccine available to you, but if you are, and i would not limit it to women. we don't know why it's just exclusive to women in europe and other countries. mean have also had it at a low incidence, anyone under the 50 age group concerned about it, this is someone that will be counseling and we'll be telling them about severe symptoms and severe headaches and abdominal pain and discoloration of our skin as well as shortness of breath and severe headaches that are out of the norm for you if you've had a headache. >> thank you for the head's up, doctors on all of it. thank you so much. it might be a perfect word to describe house minority lead are for his attack on maxine waters and his fellow republicans are using it and that's next. ans are using it and that's next.
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now a look at today's political headlines. president biden wrapping up the white house climate summit yesterday with a focus on the economy. the president claiming his initiatives to combat global warming could provide new job opportunities for everyone including those who work in the fossil fuel industry. >> as we transition to a clean energy future we must ensure that workers who have thrived in yesterday's and today's industries have as bright a tomorrow in the new industries as well as in the places where they live in the communities they have built. >> and a live look to phoenix, arizona where a hand recount of ballots from the november lech in the state's largest county is currently under way. the audit of 2.9 million ballots sought by arizona's gop kicked off friday, but only for the presidential election won by joe
biden and the senate race won by mark kelly. election officials have found no evidence of widespread voter fraud. the accountability project led by kevin mccarthy and his failed bid to censure maxine waters. >> kevin mccarthy is worried about extreme rhetoric from democrats, but where was he when members of his party said -- >> today they have to start kicking ass. >> you can't allow it to just transfer power peacefully and allow joe biden to become our president. >> this is our alamo. >> more bad behavior is what we need. >> joining me now is michelle richy with the policy and communications committee and elizabeth newman for the accountability project who put
out that ad and former department of homeland security official. >> what do you make of his attempt to censure congresswoman waters and what do they have to stand on when it comes to inciting violence especially after january 6th? >> yeah, i thought that ad was perfect, elizabeth. so good job on that. i thought it was absolutely phenomenal and shows hypocrisy. mccarthy doesn't know what confrontational mean, and if you look up the word hypocrite you would see his picture next to it, trump did incite violence and said after i listened to what he actually said i don't think that he incited the violence on the deadly insurrection on january 6th. and this happens all of the time with the gop, and i'll be very interested and more likely to want to hear anything else that they have to say when they start
censuring police brutality as members of the democratic party only because they're trying to push this narrative of the leftist mob. >> yeah. it certainly seems that a lot of republicans had more to say about maxine waters' comments than they did about derek chauvin. what do you make of the gop's reaction to the verdict as a whole? >> it's interesting. 71%, this is according to "usa today," 71% of the country thought that the verdict was correct based on what we all got to see on tv. i realize juries have a slightly different experience than the audience at home, but those numbers are pretty stark and it's telling that once the verdict came in, at least what i saw was that they tended to agree that that that was the right come come and there was a really great statement by representative or senator scott that justice had been served,
but there was more work to be done to advance justice and i'm paraphrasing there, and i think, i hope that the more reasonable and i realize it's a very small number, but some of the more reasonable republicans will continue to walk down that path of recognizing that we are in -- at an inflexion point in our country. most of the public seems to understand that what the black community and other minorities have seen for decades, the rest of us are now understanding. it's still a very big problem and we've got to do something about it, but i don't think that the exaggerating, fear mongering, tag line of fund-raising type of rhetoric that we're seeing on the right out of the marjorie taylor-greenes of the world are productive or helpful in finding a good path forward.
we really need to get back to the table when we talk about nuance and distinctions in policy disagreements. we can actual he pass something and do police reform. we really need that as a country. i hope a few responsible republicans go to the table and actually do it. >> you heard michelle's reaction to it, good for you. given that the accountability project, what have you heard from republicans about the ad or at least the tenor of what's in it? >> the republicans to not tend to reach out too much and our target audience is more the voters and the constituents and these republicans that need to be made accountable. we are very concerned that there is an absolute effort underway to memory hold january 6th. i think part of the reason we put this ad out for mckarthy is
to point out the fact that they so quickly jump on the bandwagon about a statement that maxine waters said which, look, maybe it was unwise in the context, but there is no moral equivalency of decades of fighting injustice as a black american and what happened on january 6th which was perpetrated by a big lie. none of it was true. there was no stolen election and the president not only incited it, he set the date. he set the time and he was very specific. this -- this lack of moral equivalency, we have to keep reminding the voters that their elected officials are get -- they're undering mining our democracy and need to be held accountable with their votes. >> when you heard governor ron desantis of florida and back peddling, and he said i didn't say that's what happened and the
reason that the jury went in the direction that it did and did a conviction on all three counts was because they were afraid of what could happen if they did not suggesting there was a mob mentality. what's your reaction to that? >> it's just completely irresponsible and it undermines our judicial process. if it doesn't go their way then something's wrong with the system. but if it goes their way then everything is perfect. there doesn't need to be any sort of reform and actually, i think he was on another network when they played the video of an unknown person, no one of any sort of official authority or anything like that makes this one comment and all of a sudden these conservatives are taking it to the next level and saying that the jury was afraid for their lives or whatever. it's absolutely ridiculous and it is very frustrating and it's insulting to those jurors who spent the time sitting there day after day listening to this video, the very dramatic
testimony and heartbreaking testimony of a child of people that have worked in law enforcement who were up there telling the truth and then to say that they threw all of that out the window because they were afraid. that's an insult to those jurors. >> ladies, thank you so much. great setup for what's coming on the other side of the commercial because we'll be talking about the next steps in the pursuit of justice for george floyd. one of his cousins working to that end joins us next. next that can guide an astronaut back to safety. and help make a hospital come to you, instead of you going to it. so when it comes to your business, you know we'll stop at nothing.
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exhale personally each time i heard guilty. it's been a long, almost a year that we've been going through this process and it was definitely a win for us when we heard that he was convicted on all three counts. >> smiles, certainly, and tears as well and emotional release and sadness because unfortunately, nothing can bring your cousin back. so how hard is it to have a degree of satisfaction with the verdict and not have your cousin? >> well, i don't think anything will ever replace the fact that we don't have perry anymore. we have a lot of memories, a lot of things that we can reflect back on and we have each other and fortunately for us we have this journey that we've been on together to make sure there's justice on the other side of it. you know, some of the things that, you know, we have time to reflect back on memories that we created years ago and looking at the smiles on our faces as we
feel like collectively we were able to stand together in solidarity, in prayer with support of the whole world, just about, and to this opportunity to say we actually have won on the other side of this. >> yeah. of all of the gratifying things that you've heard from people that are showing support for your cousin, what stuck out the most to you? >> i just -- i mean, i don't know if i can pick out one thing, you know? this journey has been one that's very difficult and it seems like at every turn when we felt like we couldn't go any more, somebody or someone would say something that would be encouraging to us. so it is absolute, sheer joy that we felt amongst each other when we were able to celebrate that victory, and yet in our minds we know that this is just the beginning for the work that we need to do to make sure that his death was not in vain. >> well, and to that point, shareeduh, you have the other
three officers involved in your cousin's death. they go on trial in august. what about their case? what are your expectations for it? >> well, we expect the same thing. we expect convicts for them, as well and just to celebrate the place that we are right now and then remain laser focused on making sure that the other three defendants are convicted of murder just as derek chauvin was. >> i want to share with you, there's a new headline from an associated press article which reads one verdict and then six police killings across america in 24 hours. at least six people were fatally shot by police following the chauvin verdict. how does this strike you? >> well, it's devastating, to say the least and my condolences to the families who were having to endure this tragic loss. i cannot say that i'm surprised about it because there just seems to be since perry died
it's been one after the other. there were many before him and sadly, there have been after him, but i think that's why it is so critical that we move forward to make sure that these police reform acts are passed and the bills are passed. >> is that something that the george floyd foundation, we'll strive to do that and carry on george's legacy, is that what you're focused on. >> absolutely. the one in texas, the house bill 88 and we'd also like to see in similar legislation in other -- in the other states because i think it's critical that the folks who are sworn to protect and serve are held accountable when they turn into criminals essentially. >> i've got to say i'm not sure you planned your life to play out in this way, but i will applaud your efforts and joined by many others doing so. shareeduh tate, thank you so much. >> once again, a celebrity jumps
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tomorrow congresswoman karen bass joins jonathan capehart to discuss the george floyd policing act and congresswoman val demings will be talking about her clash with congressman jim jordan over the covid hate crimes act. you can watch the sunday show with jonathan capehart tomorrow morning right here on msnbc. >> caitlyn jenner jumping into california politics joining gavin newsom, and it could be an uphill battle for the former gold medal olympian turned reality tv star. scott, has the question been answered as to why caitlyn jenner is getting in the race? >> in sort of vague terms, alex,
she calls herself a compassionate disruptor. she says the state has suffered over what she calls one-party rule led by republican gavin newsom in what she says will be a formal announcement to come and this will be prosperity to turn this state around and clean up the damage what newsom has done to his state. >> the governor doing everything he can to downplay his announcement and his campaign out with a statement calling this part of the whole recall campaign that they call a circus of trump supporters, although caitlin jenner did break with the former president in 2018 over his transgender trap ban. the governor tried to turn the focus to his own record. >> 41% -- 41% of america's jobs came out of the state of california in february. we're running close to record
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