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i was talking to one of the relatives and i said, well, why are they -- what are they trying to justify? they said -- one said, well, they saw some air fresheners in the back of his car. where we come today as the air fresheners from minnesota. we trying to get the stench of police brutality out of the atmosphere. good morning, i'm tiffany cross. a busy morning on "the cross connection." antiprotest laws sweeping the country. new guidelines on covid vaccines. we begin with the next steps in the fight for justice. reverend al sharpton delivered such a stirring eulogy thursday at the funeral for daunte wright who was killed at a traffic stop in minnesota. wednesday police shot and killed
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andrew brown jr. while attempting to serve a warrant. now since then seven sheriff's deputies have now been placed on paid administrative leave. and we could learn more when city officials hold a news conference at the top of the next hour. we'll bring that to you soon. police in columbus ohio shot and killed 16-year-old mkaya bryant. they were responding to a 911 call and say bryant threatened two girls. just minutes after that incident and what seemed like a seismic moment, derek chauvin was convicted of murdering george floyd. but after all that's happened this week, how exactly do we read that moment now? joining me now is donald williams. he was a witness to george floyd's death whose testimony was key to the conviction of derek chauvin. mr. williams, i'm so happy to have you with me this morning.
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let me know if you can hear me. i know we were having technical difficulties. >> yes, i do hear you. do you hear me? >> i do. i hear you, sir. i hear you, brother. so happy to have you with me. the moment in your testimony that just did it for me when they said you called this officer these names and you looked the defense lawyer in the eye and said, yes, i said it and yes, i meant it. i think it was such a moment of liberation and defiance for so many people like my sur that grew up in those communities. what was going through your mind at that moment? >> so, what was going through my mind, you know, when that was going on, just really it was just trying to stay professional, stay inside my body and make sure i did everything i could do to let the officer know that, you know,
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george was in tremendous pain. he was saying everything he was going through. i wanted the officer to understand that and voice to him. >> well, you did a wonderful job. i think, you know, when you said that, so many people were tweeting and posting about it, it felt like being inflated with liberation. as you know, they've been being a member of that community. >> in northeast.
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>>. >> i feel like i know him. it's between the community. >> people in the community. >> the police fierceness. policing in our community.
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the plug. policing. you look a few. i just want to thank you. thanks for joining us.
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the history at ohio state university. the add, it goes for being with me. rosa, you are a go to on this. into policing. i think this is it. with the 16-year-old. the better thing to do would have been to tackle it.
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you can understand. >> as you say, it was on that way.
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>> it's an extension of what we have seen in the past. >> black and brown people are being killed. is this something that can we policy our way out of harassment or is it something deeper that needs to happen? >> both. it's both. i think it's absolutely right to say that we don't have any reason to think police killings of black and brown skin people are higher than they used to be. in fact, it's probably the opposite. we didn't know in the past and
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now because there's more pub police city, cell phones, the internet, police departments are under scrutiny. some of it is, it's societal white supremacism. if you want to get rid of this in policing, you've got to get rid of systemic racism in american society. so on the one hand that's obviously no question about it. police don't operate in a vacuum. they're a reflection of our society as a whole. that being said, that doesn't mean we all have to shrug our shoulders and say, oh, well, i guess it's going to take a few hundred years if we're lucky. there are policy changes that will make a tremendous difference. there's inadequate police training. we should be having conversations about re-inventing public safety and ways to shift many of the tasks we assigned to police to people who are not armed. in the very short term i think the cities have made a move to say we're not going to have
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police do traffic stops for minor civil infractions, we're going to have traffic stops if there's an immediate problem. or a speed camera does it. there are all kinds of things we can do in terms of training, in terms of policy, in terms of law, in terms of increasing accountability in the public justice system that would make a short-term difference. they're not going to solve the structural differences but will save lives. >> you're the brother of hakeem jeffries, congressman out of brooklyn. you're in columbus where this just happened. as you just saw, the george floyd policing act passed in the house. has a tough chance of passing the senate, but can policing be legislated by the federal government when a lot of these rules rests and the local and state government especially with police unions having so much power. what's your take? >> at the federal level
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certainly action can be taken that can influence certain policy measures. the reason why local police forces have been so militarized is because the federal government has been providing them with military grade weapons. there are things that can be done at the federal level that will mitigate the harm that local police forces have been engaged in. when we're anything about policing, it's local and decentralized. every police force has the different training programs, protocols and the like. it's going to take local solutions. it's going to take local government and people putting pressure on public safety officials, this is no longer acceptable, no longer tolerable, we want to change at the local level. federal is going to have a role but in the end it's going to happen on the ground. >> we're going to have to leave it right there. friend of the show, don't be too
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this is a riot. and this will get you locked up before quick in the state of florida. pay attention. we've got a new law, and we're going to use it if you make us. this is what we enjoy in florida. this is the florida we know and love. >> yes, well, in the america we know all too well despite that barney fyfe reject there, the ability to peacefully protest is under the same attack as our voting rights. florida ron desantis signed a sweeping antiriot law that
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toughens public disturbance laws and gives immunity to people who drive their cars into people blocking a street. many have taken to the streets. gop lawmakers in 34 states have introduced 81 antiprotest bills this year alone. joining me now to discuss is nick tillson, president and ceo of the indian collective and brittney petnick cunningham. so happy to have you both here. britney, i want to start with you. you very well know that over 95% of black lives matter protests were peaceful. so what are these laws really about? >> well, first of all, i can't get over you calling him a barney fyfe reject. i'm still stuck there. tiffany, we know what these laws are about. these laws are about ensuring
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that those who have been holding power and hoarding power for generations can maintain their power. so many of our most intractable injustices all come down to people wanting to make sure that nobody threatens their sense of power and ego that they lord over the rest of us. what i find so interesting as this conversation has been going on in the social square is that people will say, well, what's the problem? as long as you don't riot, you'll be fine. let's go back to this summer, as you already did, tiffany, let's remember the videos of police dressed in all black smashing out windows and trying to blame protesters. let's go back to the pallets of bricks that we saw conveniently laying out on the street to tempt people into property destruction. let's go back to the fact that the police can call anything a riot when they're the ones writing the report. i think of the days that we spend and the nights we spent in ferguson, baltimore, baton rouge where we were holding cell phones and cardboard signs and
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would suddenly hear from atop an armored vehicle where someone had a mounted rifle that we were no longer engaged in a peaceful assembly and we were ordered to disburse immediately and less than two seconds later tear gas canisters and pepper spray would be flying. who's actually the violent party there? the police are constantly telling us untruths. we're seeing it in knoxville, tennessee. we saw it in columbus, ohio. we saw it when george floyd was killed and the police report didn't match up with what happened in the video and our fates are tied up with this. food stamps, felonies and a pressure right to vote. they're making it that protesting is more punishable than hitting a protester. this is a fundamental violation of human rights and that is how we have to talk about this. >> it's also potentially a fundamental violation of constitutional rights. nick, let me bring you in. the mt. rushmore protests where you were last july.
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you were supposed to be on air with me and you got arrested behind that protest. so i'm curious what these type of laws will do to native american communities who are out front trying to protect tribal lands. we'll be talking about that later in the show, by the way, and trying to protect the climate in some of these protest laws. what's your take on it? >> you're seeing a really, really organized effort to impact our lives as we take to the streets to protect our lands and our people. amid you seeing all of these laws being introduced throughout the places and they're directly designed to attack innocent people, black people, people of color because we're building people power. because we're fighting on behalf of mother earth. because we're finding some of the biggest corporations in the world and how we're seeing it affect our lives is our very freedoms are at risk. and what's happening underneath these laws and the climate being created is that we're seeing more and more militarized zones.
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as brittney mentioned earlier in the call where you see at mt. rushmore, within 40 minutes, all of a sudden the national guard was on scene. remember how long it took for the national guard to never even show up at the capitol but at mt. rushmore they were there in 30 to 40 minutes in full regalia and everything and so we're seeing militarized zones being created when we rise up. to make the way and pave the way for trans national corporations to build pipe lines through our territories in the effort of special interests. we're seeing violence being enacted on our people. there's a huge amount of ongoing resistance towards our work that we're seeing across the board, and these laws, let's be real? who are these laws being directed at? they're being directed at black lines, the line back movement, they're being directed at the
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work towards collective liberation and moving the country forward. >> you made the good point of pointing out special interests. i do want to say that some of these laws are based on draft legislation by alec. there's more than we could get into here. we'll have to save it for another day and leave it there. i thank you both for providing necessary context for this. brittney will be sticking around. nick, thank you we'll have you back on. coming up, she sponsored a bill to combat antiasian-american hate crimes and it won almost unanimous support in the senate, a rarity these days. i'll talk to the senator maizie hirono next.
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you told representative charlie christ that you didn't know what objections muller's team might have.
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you knew you lied and now we know. not once but twice you used the term sexual preference to describe those in the lgbtq community, and let me make clear, sexual preference is an owe fensz sieve outdated turn. not only do women like dr. ford need to be heard, but they need to be believed. i want to say to the men in the country, just shut up and step up. do the right thing. >> the senator slices with very clear precision. you know that if you've ever seen her on the hill. hawaii's mazie hirono is an unapologetic truth teller. she sponsored a bill for asian-americans. on thursday they passed the covid-19 hate crimes act which establishes legal guidelines to investigate hate crimes directed
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at asian-americans. joining me now is the senator herself. she is a member of the senate judiciary committee and author of the new book "heart of fire, an immigrant daughter's story." senator, i am so happy to have you here this morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. i want to get right to the legislation that just passed. congratulations on that. i know that it speaks to accountability by tagging someone at the do to prosecute the crimes. i'm curious your thoughts. what can we do as a society to stop the crimes from happening? >> we know that passing this bill, helpful as it will be to gather some data, there are a lot of cultural and attitudinal changes that have to occur. so each one of us can take a stand if we see this happening. we can speak out without
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endangering yourself, but there are a lot of things we can do. these attitudinal things that arise, it's something we have to deal with. >> absolutely. and i want to ask you about other things happening in the senate. this legislation passed and the sole dissident from voting for this is josh hawley. on the off chance that hawley is not french kissing his tv screen right now watching fox news, what would you say to him and even his constituents of missouri who i might add includes the aapi voting block which increased, i think, almost 33% since 2016? what would you say to him about being the sole dissident on such an important piece of legislation? >> there's not much that i can tell him to get a conscience.
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he obviously did this with total intention. the less we talk about him, who is an outlier on this vote even within the republican party, that's saying a lot. so the less we talk about him, the more we focus on the need to stand up with the aapi community. we need to really focus on so many other things passing the george floyd policing act. >> i'm glad you brought that up. so the george floyd policing act, this is something people are looking to the senate to help pass this legislation. you and i both know the filibuster is something that stands in the way but also just a very slim majority in the senate. you've got votes essentially 49 and 50 with joe manchin out of west virginia and kristin cinema out of arizona. do you have a relationship with senator manchin? do you talk, see each other?
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do you say, come on, we need to kill this filibuster to get this passed. >> joe sits in front of me on the senate floor so i do talk with him. the thing is that the bottom line is both joe and krystin are democrats. we want to get things done to help people as opposed to screwing them over. as we proceed with the big bills that will help people, what will happen will be republicans are going to block every single one of these efforts. they will come to the conclusion that we need reform in order to get things done in the senate. >> right. so filibuster reform, how do we get to that point? because, again, joe manchin has been very clear that he is not budging on the filibuster. however, when you consider crucial legislation that's upcoming, hr 1, voting rights legislation, the john lewis act, these are people that are
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instrumental in delivering the power of the federal government to democrats. you can imagine the frustration from people that says, what gives? what's your solution? because quite frankly it's not going to happen as the current rules exist? >> i agree with you. that's why when i heard joe manchin say he is open to the talking filibuster, which of course the republicans at this point who want to block all of this kind of major helpful legislation, he's open to that. if that's the way we need to go, let's start there. that's what i'd like to see happen. we'd like to see the filibuster fully gone. we need to have the ability to pass bills that will help people. i do feel like there's an urgency in doing that. the goal in life is to do this in the senate. we don't have a lot of time.
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>> yeah, i completely agree. i want to ask you a question. i want to get in a question on your book. you write so beautifully about your mother, who recently passed away. and i think one of the most striking things to me that you said was your struggle. after you read betty ferdnand's the feminine mystique, why not run for office and make change. a lot of women are facing that same decision right now. what piece of advice would you offer as we see women populate the senate and elected office more than before? what piece of advice would you offer to women weighing that same decision right now? >> it took me quite a long time as it took a lot of women in my generation to figure out, we actually had a lot to bring to the table and not -- stop listening to the guys telling us not your turn, you're not ready, et cetera. what i see in the u.s. house is a whole group of minority women who are stepping up and we're going to see more of that.
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takes a little more to get elected to the senate, but we have a lot of people in the pipeline. i think the women of this country, i hope it doesn't take all of you as long as me to become more completely myself and use my voice. we each have that ability. >> well, you are certainly unfiltered in your role in the senate and we appreciate you for it. thank you so much for taking your time on your saturday morning. >> thank you. >> to join me and talk about it. we appreciate you. >> aloha. >> coming up, the first lady meets with leaders of navajo nation. what does this mean for indigenous brothers and sisters and that's coming up next. [doorbell rings] thanks, baby. yeah, we 'bout to get spicy for this virtual date. spicy like them pajama pants? well, the top half of me looks good. no wonder we still single. hello lenny28. wait a minute, i know a lenny28.
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it's going to be obvious pretty soon, but if you could write a journal and just look at this time, don't forget it, and think about what did you learn about yourselves. if you can pull out your journal and remember how you felt, i think it's going to be so important, and it's actually going to be history for your family about what this time meant. >> first lady jill biden visited the navajo nation in arizona along with stopping at a school and vaccination clinic. she met with female tribal
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leaders to address the needs of the nation's largest indigenous nation including the recent scourage of violence against native american women. over 90 million acres of indigenous land was stolen in order to create the united states and much of that land includes our national parks which many americans are eyeing for these covid safe staycations. as the first native american woman serves as the secretary of interior, can the biden administration begin to remedy the frontier indigenous area. joining me, tara houska and ginny mounet. very excited to have you ladies joining us and bring a much needed perspective that is not often highlighted. thank you for taking time on a saturday morning. ginny, i want to start with you.
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you're somewhat of a media critic and journalist. i'm curious because we have such an historic appointment in deb haaland as secretary of interior, how will the community hold her accountable to righting some of these wrongs that the native american community have experienced so long. >> good morning, tiffany. thank you for having me on your show. i think that's a great question. i've actually been spending quite a bit of time writing about deb haaland and impacting that question itself. there is an incredible amount of hope with the appointment of secretary haaland, first native person to ever hold a cabinet position, particularly of the department of interior whose storied pass has been so abusive and detrimental to indigenous people. there is an incredible amount of pressure on her, of which she is not unaware. in fact, in her first interview to native journalists she mentioned that she knows that
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indian country is watching her and i think that in her first few weeks at the helm of the interior she has made i think intentional approaches in some of her actions, particularly with her visit to baird here. your mention about land lock. that is just so symbolic for a couple of reasons. one, it is -- i was in a pueblo as well, it's our ancestral homeland. returning to that is symbolic. it sits with what the conversation is, returning those lands. restoring the treaties. it's not a national park but it is a mon umass and it does represent, i think, that kind of indigenous stewardship that is essential to a lot of conversation right now. >> sarah, i want to turn to you now because the native american community has experienced so much state sponsored violence,
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just an attack on the tribal lands and a way of life. i wonder, is this something that can even be made right? you know, as people go to these parks, should we be going to yosemite? should we be going to mt. rushmore? what can those of us outside the community do to stand in solidarity with native americans across the country? >> imsatisfy orie, sarah, i think we're having a little problem with your audio. go ahead. i think i've got you now. i can't hear you. >> we're having audio problems. i'll direct that question to you, ginny. what can people outside the community do to stand in solidarity with the native american community. >> i think what tara is doing is a good example of that. she's embedding herself in a
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place that matters. she's in the trenches. putting herself on the front lines, activism, i often say, is the foundation to the indigenous experience. our visibility have been so marginalized for so long that activism has been the patsy for filling that gap. and standing rock is a perfect example for that. showing up. camping as a form of collective activism to be seen and heard and to, you know, literally place yourself on the indigenous lands. that's what we're seeing play out right now. back to, you know, just back to baird years and secretary haaland there. there is an incredible amount of focus among the coalition now and i just think we're going to start to see that kind of story
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unravel, too, about what the meaning of the land means. >> tara, i think we have you back with me. i want to make sure you can hear me. >> i can hear you. >> oh, perfect. i'm so sorry we lost you. we're running out of time so i want to spend the last few minutes if i can, if you are able to talk about this. there's a lot of issues around missing indigenous women. we're talking about returning tribal lands. why the issue of missing indigenous women is not as covered and why it's such a prevalent issue in the community? >> it's the jurisdiction nal gaps that were created by the eradication of indigenous jurisdiction. it hasn't been remedied by congress. there are fixes and partial fixes but it's just not enough to adequately protect our people. and it's something that sex traffickers are aware of.
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it's something that non-native offenders are aware of. it's something that we are aware of as people at the forefront of extracted economy. when these people come into our communities to build pipe lines, to build mines, whatever they want to do to try to destroy what's left, they also bring with them a host of workers who do their things and that means we are at this inability of prosecuting these people and they know that. violence always upticks whenever they're in our communities and that's a reality of extracting economy that most people don't know. i certainly hope that deb haaland is able to create a stronger relationship with department of justice, but at the same time it's up to congress to actually fix the mess that the judiciary made. that's who has to do it. >> all right. well, this is something that i certainly want to continue to focus on on this show so i'll definitely have to have you both
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mom for even wanting to step up as americans and help out fellow human beings who are seeking a better, safer life as our neighbors. now, the good news and the answer to your question is our government actually does play some unaccompanied migrant children in foster care. for the past few months the biden administration has been trying to reduce the number of children in crowded border facilities in part by asking states and non-profits to foster families. while hundreds of families have stepped up to provide short-term foster care, the republican governors of nebraska, south dakota, iowa and south carolina have refused to allow families in their state foster care systems to open their doors to migrant children. those governors, all of whom are self-professed christians, by the way, decided instead to use these desperate, scared children to dunk on president biden for political points. so so much for loving your neighbor. even with the foster families
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that have stepped up, most unaccompanied children are held in shelters before being united with family members and as of this week more than 21,000 children are in the care of the federal health and human services department and another 2,000 are in border patrol facilities. from the hhs shelters that children are sent to live with the sponsor which is usually a family member while they wait to see if the government would allow them to stay in the u.s. more than 40% of these kids already have at least one parent living in the united states. 90% are ultimately released into the care of a family member, but here's the thing. it takes weeks to get these children to their families. on average, according to data reviewed by the washington post, it currently takes 22 days for hhs to get kids into the care of their parent and 33 days to reunite them with other relatives like siblings or grandparents. those weeks in between, ava, can be near torture for the families
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let alone children. one woman from venezuela told nbc news of the anguish of trying to find her 6-year-old son. he crossed the border with his step father and was treated as an unaccompanied minor. i would call hhs three times a day, in the morning, afternoon and evening. finally, she found him. he said he never wants to be separated again, after they were reunited. so ava, thanks again for shedding light on such an important topic and for anyone who may want to open their home to migrant kids you can work with one of the reputable charities that places children in foster care on behalf of the government. just google foster care for migrant children and remember, if you've got a question about politics or policy that makes you go, hmm? send us a short video question with what you want to know. no texts, only video, please. we want to see your faces and don't forget to tell us your
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business does not stop and as bad as this situation is i want to offer more condolences and prayers to the family of mr. andrew brown jr. they attended our emergency meeting and we are going to help them all we can. we don't know any more details than you all know and so, to that end, our police chief, chief eddie buffalo will speak to why and how we will continue to protect our protesters and our citizens and provide a very safe space for them to exercise their first amendment right. going forward we will continue to do that. you all saw there was a vote from this council, and i have standing in my rear mayor betty jay parker. she led that meeting and there's an official letter that will be delivered on monday, making a
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request for the body cam footage to be turned over to us and the public. and so the way that process works is you make that request to the sheriff's office. he has three days to answer a non-response is considered a denial according to the north carolina general statute and then at that point we would petition the courts. we understand the position of standing and that because we were not a part of this occurrence we may not have the strongest of standing, but we felt it necessary to make the request for it to be released not only for the citizens of this city, but so that the family could get some closure in this process. i want to publicly thank our
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mayor because in the midst of all of this i called on her, and she stood tall. she has continued to handle the business of the city. all of you know it is now budget season, and this budget that we are working through would be the most impactful budget in probably 50 years. we are coming out of a pandemic, hopefully, we have lost revenue, families have lost family members, people have lost friends and we continue to lose as a result of this pandemic. meanwhile, we have to run the city, and she has stood tall, and she has done it with grace and poise, but she, too, is a black woman, a mother, a teacher, a friend, a mentor, and she's small in stature, but she stands tall often and we wanted to create an opportunity for her
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to say some words as the mayoral though this is not in her house, right? it's not in her house, but she feels compelled to speak to the citizens of this city. and so we wanted to create this opportunity. i cannot thank you all enough. all of the members of the press. you have been so kind to us and you've been so diligent in your efforts to allow us to be heard and i want to just thank you from the bottom of my heart. without request further a did i pressent to you the mayor of the city mayor betty jay parker. >> thank you. [ applause ] . >> thank you, manager freeman, and i want to thank him foremost for the expression of she's small in stature which means i can now go off that diet that i was planning on going on. so without further ado, let me
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say good morning to you. >> good morning. i am betty parker, the mayor of the city of elizabeth city. i am accompanied by my city manager, mr. montre freeman, by my chief of police, chief eddie buffalo and we are here to make a few statements in reference to the shooting that took place in our city this past wednesday, april 21, 2021. let me again express sincere condolences to the family of andrew brown. sincere condolences on behalf of elizabeth city. as mater of elizabeth city in which your loved one was shot and killed, for the past few days i have been concerned about giving your family and friends
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adequate space and time to grieve. we can only imagine the pain that you must be experiencing, but we are sensitive to your concerns. there are two separate law enforcement agencies in our community, some of you may not know this. the elizabeth city police department which is municipal and the pasquotank county, none of the officers of the elizabeth city police department were involved in the process of issuing the warrant to mr. brown nor part of the subsequent events that transpired. the city council held an emergency meeting on the day of the shooting together from the city manager and the chief of police and also to indicate our
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position on the events of that day. a second emergency meeting was held at 3:30 yesterday to discuss a formal request by the sheriff department to release the body cam worn by the officers at the scene of the shooting and if denied the request is to be forwarded to the district attorney's office as well as to superior court. any entity, in fact, that represents the custodial law enforcement agency. we decided to hold a press conference this morning rather than earlier in the week because we felt it would be prudent to firsta, lou space for the county officials to control the narrative since our officers were not involved. to those who have been participating in the ongoing protests. the city would like to thank you
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for your peace, peaceful and orderly conduct. because when all is said and done, we will still have to live here in peace and harmony because this is our home. i will now yield back to the city manager and the chief of police for additional comments. thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you so much, madam mayor. again, she has stood and delivered. as an attorney, i believe in the constitution and the amendments and all of the laws, and i would be lying if i told you that my belief is being tested. this time is where the rubber truly meets the road, and so because we have had very little,
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extremely little. we probably know even less than what you all know about this occurrence. i had an immediate conversation with our police chief, chief eddie buffalo, who, by the way, is the president of the north carolina chiefs. chiefs association. that means he's the chief of all chiefs. in our organization, i refer to our directors as subject matter experts. he is the subject matter experts of all subject matter experts, and i am honored to serve the city and serve him and our police department. our officers have been absolutely amazing. they started community policing a long time ago. so when this unfortunate chain of events occurred, they've
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continued to do what they've always done and that is community police. as your manager, i will continue to drive the initiative to create a safe space for all protesters to exercise their first amendment rights, and our officers on the ground will continue to protect them from all hurt, harm or danger. it is now the weekend, though, and we than from protests on weekends people come in. they are called nomads and they come in to wreak havoc and leave, and so i'm asking all protesters if you identify someone or see someone and they have come here to create trouble and create distractions, that you identify them and we absolutely have enough officers and we'll have them removed. my plea to all of you is that i need every single person watching and listening to keep
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your eye on this situation. i don't need any distractions whatsoever to take away from this very fluid and very necessary investigation. so without further ado, i will introduce to you our subject matter expert in policing, chief eddie buffalo. [ applause ] >> good morning, everyone. before i start i echo the same sentiments of our mayor, and i extend heartfelt sympathy to the brown family, to their friends and even to this community at large. since the events unfolded wednesday morning approximately 8:00 a.m. the elizabeth city police department did not have any involvement with the service of the arrest warrant or execution of the search warrant. elizabeth city initial call for
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service was shots fired. officers responded, found out that it was an officer-involved shooting involving the pasquatank county sheriff's office. immediately we went into perimeter security. since that time we have transitioned into an operational period to provide life safety, property safety as well as to allow protesters to peacefully protest. we have done that without any arrests at this point, and we have done that without any property damage within the city at this point. those efforts have continued since wednesday and possibly through the weekend. our officers were vigilant and will remain vigilant throughout the weekend and we are also doing our daily responsibilities and answering our daling call for services, as well along with
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our providing protection for our motoring public as well as our protesters here within the city. we will stay vigilant and we ask the community to remain peaceful, as you have and if you have any questions or comment, please reach out to us on our facebook page, or you may contact our office directly. at this time i'll turn it back over to the city manager and that's the involvement from the police department and thank you for coming. >> i purposely kept my mask on for the first part, and since this will be the last time i will speak before i bring the mayor up to close us out, there are a couple of things. when protests take place it is a lot more than the people you see in the streets. it is the citizens who travel this city, who help us by
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redirecting their traffic and the police department. to those citizens who may not be walking in the street, but have exercised great patience, thank you. thank you for allowing police to redirect you. thank you for not harassing the protesters. thank you for acting in a fashion of protection to keep our police officers safe. thank you. the numbers are very, very clear there are more people and citizens in the streets than we have officers. thank you for protecting our officers, and making their jobs doable and checking on them. i've seen citizens reaching out to them asking if they were okay, checking on them. thank you to all of the citizens. >> all right. we've been listening to this press conference in elizabeth city, north carolina. you are seeing right now the city manager montre freeman
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speak and we also heard from the chief of police, eddie buffaloe. the chief of police is not over the agency who shot andrew brown in the back. that was the sheriff's office. they were very clear about that point, and let me just review what has happened. 42-year-old andrew brown jr. was shot at around 8:30 a.m. on wednesday this week after deputies were attempting to serve him a search warrant in the elizabeth city, north carolina, neighborhood. according to the family attorney they say mr. brown was unarmed. we cannot confirm at nbc news that he was shot in the back. however, according to audio dispatch that is certainly what is being suggested based on that. since then, three deputies from the county sheriff's office have resigned. seven remain on paid administrative leave. that's according to the public information officer and he says
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the resignations are unrelated to the shooting incident even though these resignations happened only after the audio dispatch recordings were published and what the community is asking and demanding is for release of this body cam footage. i want to bring in my panel now and that's jason johnson and msnbc political contributor and host of the slate podcast. a word with jason johnson. brittany cunningham is back with us, msnbc contributor and founder of love and power works and paul butler, author of "choke hold. policing black men." jason, i want to start with you because you and i have spoken a lot about why there is some hesitancy to celebrate this verdict in the chauvin trial because we know that these incidents happen so frequently, that point has been punctuated this week. i have to say this press conference was more of a process update instead of a substantive
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update. explain to our viewers why it is so important to see this body cam footage? >> well, because, honestly, tiffany, we didn't hear anything in this press conference. there was a bunch of people introducing each other, slapping each other on the back saying we weren't directly involved with this, but we're making a request. so it doesn't really inform anybody of anything. this body camera footage cannot be released because apparently the local law says that it can't be released without a court order even though at one point the family was promised that they would privately be able to see the video. this is because of issues and public confidence. how am i going to trust anything what the police say? why can't video be direct to some sort of data portal where it can be accessed by city council immediately and doesn't have to be filtered through the police. this is why people like myself have regity mata, prehengz about the significance of what happened earlier this week just because we have the perfect
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storm of video camera footage and protests and everything else like that put one police officer away. it does not necessarily change the problems in overall policing and why i say we have to abolish policing as it exists today because these problems are endemic. the fact that we've had multiple shootings this week. these are ones we heard about because there is footage. who knows what else ishappening in the country? this is why i completely agree. >> the tone of this press conference was interesting. is felt a little pastor's anniversary with the praising of the mayor. we didn't get substance out of this. i'm curious, your thoughts on this, and i do want to let our viewers know that sheriff tommy wooten held a facebook live last night and said if his deputies broke any laws or violated policies that come out of this investigation that they will be held accountable. you know, these are two
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different agencies here, but talk to me, your thoughts on this press conference? >> i mean, i did find it a little strange. at moments i felt like i was watching a church program and not something that is, unfortunately, deadly serious. we have to be incredibly precise about what is happening in communities across this country, black, brown and indigenous ones, especially. this is terror. this is consistent, violent terror. it is rooted in white supremacy. it is rooted in the protection of property and white wealth and the controlling and terrorizing of black and brown bodies. to treat it any other kind of way is to insult the communities that you are representing and we also have to recognize that this cultural moment has shifted, six years ago, seven years ago, maybe city leadership may not have known precisely how to conduct a press conference. we have plenty of information for how to press play on these kinds of things and this
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cultural movement and moment has shifted. so jason brought up abolition, and i know that this idea scares a lot of people and there is a precedent for abolition in this country and it is high time for us to be that courageous again. i think in the words of marianne kaba when she says abolition is created. go read how i became an abolitionist in the atlanta pernell and think about the fact that abolition is not just about what we replace, but it is also about how we build a world that leads with care instead of control and justice instead of punishment. it doesn't have to scare us if we allow it to excite us. we get the privilege and opportunity to build a world that works for all of us. that is how we have to address this from every single press conference to every single case to how we approach this thing at
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a systemic level. >> paul, i want to bring you in on following those great points that brittany just made. something our viewers should know, they were serving a search warrant to mr. brown at the time that he was shot. i found it interesting that they were clear that hey, this was not us and this was the sheriff's office doing this and what's the process in that. how would you decide what agency would execute a search warrant to people like that and how often are these serving of warrants deadly? do we even have that data. >> we don't have that data because policing in the united states is not transparent and we're seen here how it's not accountable. apparently an unarmed man was shot in the back. the city officials or county officials including the sheriff have the discretion to release the body cam, but they will not. that's unacceptable. that's the opposite of transparency and accountability.
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the mayor and the city managers say they don't know more than anybody else? i understand that it's a county sheriff, but if those officers have police power in elizabeth city those officers should be accountable. the police have more power than the city's elected leaders? that's unacceptable. that's the opposite of democracy. >> yeah. you make a very good point, paul. i couldn't agree with you more. we'll unfortunately, have to leave it right there. thank you very much, jason johnson. he'll be on live on instagram with me after the show, whitney cunningham and paul butler for joining us this morning. don't go anywhere. the numbers say the economy is swinging back, but a big portion of the population is not reaping the benefits. we will have a very important conversation with the president of housing and urban development marcia fudge after the break. of housing and urban development marcia fudge after the break to pay for bites of this... ...with this.
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so thank you very much for joining me. i want to get right to it. i want to talk about the economy and housing is a big issue that we don't hear a lot about quite frankly and we did on the campaign trail. i know a lot of people are stressed about making mortgage and making rent and the eviction moratorium expires in june and they have yet to come up with a long-term plan. right off the plan, what say you about addressing the housing crisis. >> first off, thanks for having me. it's a pleasure to be with you today. let me say this, there are a couple of things happening right now, tiffany. we just passed a rescue plan and prior to that we passed the covid relief package. between those two packages there are about $40 billion. $20 billion for those behind on their rent and another $10 billion for those behind on their mortgages and to just put it as succinctly as i can, one in four renters are behind, one in ten homeowners are behind,
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but that $40 billion is going to be enough right now to get them current, pay off all of their rearage and get them current and we think that come june 30th especially if we pass a jobs plan we will be able to assist those who are still in need, but right now we believe we have averted any crisis with the $40 billion we've already put in the pipeline. >> there's also the issue of homelessness. some of my family members have lived in subsidized housing and have waited on those section 8 vouchers and i think in the process of waiting for that we've seen the homeless population increase significantly. is there a way to limit the wait for those section 8 vouchers? right now there are people who are on the list for, like, ten years, just waiting for safe housing. >> they're double tracked. one is that we have put into the pipeline a total of $10 billion. $5 billion just to get people off the streets right away.
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we than on any given night in 2020, 580,000 people were homeless in this country, and we know that covid has made it worse. and so the two packages have put $5 billion just for emergency vouchers. there's another $5 billion to produce housing. so we have states that are buying hotels and we have people that are building new houses and expanding multi-family housing. the biggest problem, tiffany is enough people don't want to take the vouchers. we still have people in this country who believe if they are poor they don't want you to live on their properties or because of your source of income don't want to accept you. so the biggest problem is the lack of inventory and that is where we're putting the $5 billion to help people right away to get resources. we're running out of time and i could ask you a thousand more question, but i do want to ask you a question on the old congressional seat. the mayor recently endorsed nina turner who is running, but
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chantal brown is your protege. she worked for you. are you endorsing in this race? are you prepared to make an endorsement today? >> i am not endorsing tiffany. i know that the people of the 11th district will make the right decision. >> all right. thank you so much, madam -- >> you are not going to get me on that one! thank you, tiffany. >> i was trying to make some news here and you know what? the next time you come back i will be dressed appropriately. i'm not even -- this was a complete and total accident. >> well, that's a good thing because delta days is going on right now so i wanted to make sure i wore my colors today. >> well, you look beautiful and i should note you were the former national president of delta sigma theta and congratulations on your new appointment in the housing and urban development. coming up, my dear john letter
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when a man leaves the house sometimes you have to write a dear john letter, so this morning i hope you'll indulge me while i read mine to the former house speaker. dear john, i've seen you enjoy countless, very friendly interviews promoting your new york times best-selling book where you beat your chest about the crazies that exist in the republican party and chide the tea party extremists that existed during your tenure on capitol hill. well, here's some tea for you. this was and is your squad. after co-authoring the "contract with america" with conservative trump supporter newt gingrich in the 1990s you kept your country with future maga hat wearers championing everything from small government to big business and welfare reform while the tobacco industry funded many of your political campaigns and when that tea party that you hate so much helped you become
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about an extremely rare blood clotting disorder that has occurred young women. it will be available again in the u.s. in the coming days and cardiologist and florida state director of the committee to protect medicare, dr. bernard ashby, one of my favorite doctors. thank you very much for being here. i think the first thing that everybody wants to know is what would you advise your patients if they asked should they get the j&j? >> good morning, tiffany, and as always, it's a pleasure being here. so as a physician, looking at the actual numbers i am not concerned at all. i mean, just to put things in context, we recommend that people take tylenol or ibuprofen if they have any symptoms. now there's over 100,000 hospital admissions a year and probably 100 deaths from acetaminophen and ibuprofen it's almost a thousand, and so you're more likely to die from taking
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those over the counter medications and getting the vaccine so it's not even close, and so the actual numbers that we're talking about is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall benefit and actually if you get the actual coronavirus and get covid-19 you are ten times more likely to develop a clot as a result. so it's not even close and i definitely think that the pause is an overreaction, and i think we could have proceeded with this in a different way, but unfortunately, there is a degree of politicization that's going on with the entire vaccine rollout and distribution and that's what we're seeing right now. >> so do you think there's going to be any type of vaccine hesitancy? >> early on, everyone kept insinuating that it was the black community and i have to say i've not really seen that. it's important we don't conflate anti-vaxxers with those in the medical community and the community. do you think the johnson &
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johnson challenge can feed into any of that again? >> this whole vaccine hesitancy narrative has been totally misrepresented of the people of color and the black communities. you look at the numbers of african-americans who are now a menable to getting a vaccine or have gotten a vaccine, those numbers are compared to where we were at before and that was simply a result of information and we were an afterthought and finally once we started paying attention and communicating those communities, the numbers rose considerably as opposed to what we're seeing in the gop and the republican party and white men and their politics have made them take measures to put their own health and their communities at risk and now what we're dealing with is a resistant population who are not being addressed because they're not part of the narrative and we definitely need to address that right now. >> yeah.
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thank you so much for making that point because that's really important context to have. so what i want to ask you is, look, i've been vaccinated -- fully vaccinated now and i'm curious how i should be living? do i still have to wear masks outside, if i have someone live mg my home should we still be masked outside. >> the latter part of your question is easy to answer. if you're vaccinated and you're at home with other folks who are vaccinated you don't have to wear masks. you don't really have to socially distance and live your life and that's the purpose of the vaccine so we can go back to normalcy. in terms of outdoor transmission, it is so low and something they haven't been concerned prior to the vaccines and less than 10% of the overall infections have been the result of outdoor transmission. the outdoor transmission is not
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someone running by you in a park. it's not impossible, but so low it's negligible. it's from you interacting with other folks in close proximity for a prolonged period of time. as far as mandates for outdoor mask use i am definitely against that and i don't recommend anybody going against mandates and if you ask me as a public health professional, should governments be requiring folks to wear masks outdoors i am dead set against that. >> yeah. i think some of the guidance put out is assuming that common sense is, in fact, not all that common. so the best guidance is wear a mask if you're not sure. dr. ashby, thank you very much for joining us today. you are down there surround by a lot of florida men, so keep your head up and be available when we need you because you're one of america's favorite doctors and thank you very much for providing your context.
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judas and the black messiah," tomorrow's academy a woods will be diverse. nine out of 20 acting nominations went to people of color, the highest ever and while women have taken significant steps forward men still receive twice as many nominations as women earned. joining us now is texas congressman joaquin castro, nancy wong yun, associate professor of sociology and frank lynn leonard, founder and ceo of the blacklist. what a great panel. happy to have you guys with me. nancy, i want to start with you. my question is are these awards shows really relevant and why? i don't base what i watch on award nominations and i don't know that a lot of other people do, too, but what's your take? >> well, the idea is that if an actor wins an oscar then their careers are boosted, right? they're more likely to do well and get more roles, but research
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shows that actors of color don't get more boosts, but nonetheless, something is better than nothing. >> congressman, i want to turn to you because i read your piece in "variety" which is excellent because it's not just the awards shows and the pipeline. it is how communities of color are represented in hollywood and you made striking points in this piece. talk to me about your opinion on how the latino community is represented in hollywood. >> yeah. the latino community is not very well represented in hollywood. the latino community over the years has been very much excluded, even now, latinos account for less than 5% of folks in front of and behind the camera even though the latino community is about 18.5% of the country, and in california, in los angeles, it's more than 40% of los angeles. there are a few issues in hollywood. number one is exclusion.
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they've excluded a lot of people over the years. in fact, if you look at hollywood, even though it's considered a liberal industry, it's fairly regressive and less diverse, for example, than the oil and gas industry, and the second part is representation and stereotyping. there are still a lot of damaging stereotypes that come out of hollywood that make the job of legislators harder, for example, for example it's hard for us to pass immigration reform when we have a lot of folks in congress whose only idea of latinos is that they're gangbangers and other low lives and all these stereotypes have come out of there. >> yeah. you know, that's a really good point how people form their perceptions of communities is a lot of times based on hollywood images. a very good point, congressman. >> should communities of color still be trying to earn the white gaze as people call it? should we try to infiltrate the mainstream, but as the rising majority of america, should we
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be creating our own spaces? what do you say? >> i think we are the mainstream, and i think that's the sort of failure of the industry has been the failure to recognize that. i want to sort of run back to what both nancy and -- both panelists have said and it's not just that hollywood is not a diverse industry. the film industry is the least diverse in american industry. there was a study by mackenzie and company and they basically found that not only is it the least diverse industry in the country and the industry is losing $10 billion a year in annual revenue because of the specifically anti-black market biasses and that's to say nothing of the anti-latino and the anti-asian and the anti-lgbtq and the anti-disabled biasses in the industry. who knows how much money? we know it's on order of tens of billions of dollars and the industry has failed to claim that. so i'm actually interested in making sure that we can all go
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where the money resides, as the kids say, because that money is not just going in my pocket. it will go in everybody's pockets in the industry. >> very good point. nancy, let me ask you, because the academy awards, they did institute community standards and these were standards for people in front of and behind the camera. what impact will this have on the industry and is it enough? >> i think it's a show of we understand that there's been criticism, oscars so white hash tag and they're following the progress and the model of the british film institute award, right? but then at the same time their standards are so loose that all you need to do is have a training program or have some diverse marketing people and basically all of those are past that. so it's more for show, i think. >> that's a good point. congressman, a lot of times --
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we hear this in every industry, as you touched on capitol hill, what do we hear about hiring diverse people. we can't find them. i find this hard to believe particularly since a lot of movies are shot in l.a. where the population is over 50% latino and there's a huge population of asian and pacific islanders who also live in california. what is your advice to people who keep coming up with that same tired line. >> the line that you hear over and over is hey, we don't have i pipeline. we need to build a pipeline and it is always better to build a wider pipeline so more people can get through, but it is also not just a matter of a pipeline anymore. there are well-qualified latinos and asian-americans and african-americans and others who over the years have been well qualified, they just aren't the ones being given the work. they're not the ones being given the opportunity. and it's not a matter of
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starting from the beginning and it's an outright matter of exclusion. >> how can folks like me and folks watching right now, consumers, how can we create that pipeline. how can people get out of the way and don't try to water down our content. what can we make sure as consumers to make sure that happens on a larger scale. >> very quickly on that point. we already see what happens when people of color are able to create content and have people out of the way. the mackenzie study with the films that feature two or more black people in above the line roles with director, producer, deliver it by 10% with films that don't have people involved in them. when you make content it does well at the box office. i think people need to consume content that they're inspired by and share that information with their friends and family so more
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people watch it and speak out about the fact that you would like to see more things and we have to be honest about the fact -- the information that there's money to be made by a more diverse content has been there for a long time. this is not new information. the mackenzie study and more diversity equals more money. so i think going back to the point of we can't find people. i'm always fascinated by that, because that is a statement very clearly that you are incapable of doing your job. your job as a hiring manager, whether you're a ceo or a lower-level hiring manager is to find people that can do the job we need them for and what we know concretely is to get the best financial outcomes you need a diverse team. so if you can't find them, your boss needs to find someone who does so that you can all succeed. >> if you can't find them your boss needs to find someone who
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can. that's a good mantra for multiple industries and thank you very much. we'll see how many people tune into the most diverse oscars. nancy wong, and franklin leonard, you all had wonderful context to add. thank you so much and we'll be right back. d we'll be right back we didn't stop at storage or cloud. we kept going. working with our customers to enable the kind of technology that can guide an astronaut back to safety. and help make a hospital come to you, instead of you going to it. so when it comes to your business, you know we'll stop at nothing.
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because my friend, alex witt has the latest. hi, alex. >> hello, doll. i have to tell you i loved your last conversation and franklin made such a good point about more diversity means more income, there's more box office revenue. >> that's right. >> it is also so much more interesting. you learn so much. i loved "judas and the black messiah" because you got a perspective that wasn't the one that had been put out there for all those years. >> that's right. >> it was so powerful. so anyway, that's kind of fun to think about the oscars. >> next saturday -- not before, my friend. >> thanks, alex. >> a good day to you from world news headquarters, and high noon in the east and 9:00 a.m. out west. we begin with the breaking news of the killing of andrew brown jr. in elizabeth city, north carolina. a news conference within just this last hour and city managers joining the call for the release of the body cam video of the shooting that happened april 21st.


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