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officials made this decision and it means overall for our fight against the virus. >> reporter: good morning. basically, the panel ultimately decided this based on the potential risk weighing against the benefits of the vaccine. after two weeks of a pause, they decided that a warning label was going to be sufficient after scrutinizing all of the details here. you mentioned the numbers. after the latest numbers came out, some 8 million doses were administered. we are seeing 15 cases. it comes to about 1.9 cases per 1 million doses. the question is, can the public feel confident? will the public feel confident in getting this vaccine again with this warning label? having spoken to their doctor and having this new information? the cdc director talked about that yesterday in helping the public regain confidence in this vaccine. >> we have to do extraordinary outreach to patients to meet people where they're at, educate them. overall, i actually think that this pause conveyed that we are
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taking every one of these needles in the haystacks that we find seriously, that we're examining, scrutinizing the data that we are seeing and people have said in that context that they have gained confidence in our vaccine safety system. >> reporter: all right. so this was not an easy decision for the advisory board. it was a split vote. ten voting for bringing it back to market with that warning label, but four voted against the decision. one saying that they just wanted more information put out there on the risk to women specifically ages 18 to 49 years old. that is where we have seen the majority of the cases of this rare blood clotting issue that has come about. now, what does this mean moving forward with this johnson & johnson vaccine coming back out? well, the panel says that -- and johnson & johnson, i should say, specifically says that they have 9 million doses ready to go starting today as early as today, and it will mean sites like the one behind me can open
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up more appointments. in fact, this is a rare walk-in site. most sites across the country, you do need an appointment. new york's kind of trying to increase their -- not only their appointments, but their walk-in availability. we might start to see that more as well as we get this third vaccine back on the market with this johnson & johnson vaccine in the latest news here. kendis, garrett. >> nobody knows who we are, where we are this morning. cori coffin in new york city. >> reporter: sorry. >> thank you very much. all right. now, some states are already announcing they will resume offering the j&j vaccine in the next few days. >> that includes pennsylvania where the health department gave providers the okay and a reminder to residents to continue following cdc guidelines. let's bring in pennsylvania's lieutenant governor john fetterman, also running for a senate seat in the 2022 midterm
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elections. now that your state will beginning offering j&j doses again, do you think that people will still be interested? >> absolutely. without a doubt. i mean, our vaccine rollout is going incredibly smoothfull we are 9 million shots in arms now, amongst the top ten states in terms of shots in arms. >> lieutenant governor, that said, i was in pennsylvania earlier this week. there is a lot of hesitancy in your state. you are ranked tenth in the nation for first shots in arms, which is incredibly positive, but i reported from lebanon county where they can't fill the seats. >> i am not sure what you mean they can't fill the seats. >> they had 1,200, for example, vaccination slots open just about a week ago, and 800 of them went unfilled. >> sure. well, i mean, you referenced lebanon county. they have been like the ground zero of the republican resistance, home to the anti-maskers, the home to the covid is a hoax, you know,
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county. that county has clashed repeatedly with the governor's office throughout the pandemic. so it's not a surprise that you have some resistance there. but lebanon county would be categorized as an outlier, not, i think, reflective of the climate on the ground here in pennsylvania. >> that county is overwhelmingly republican. meanwhile, we have some influential leaders in the republican party who are maybe some might say adding to this hesitancy. i mean, senator ron johnson in wisconsin, for example, earlier this week questioning why everyone should get vaccinated. should the message from the top be these vaccines are safe and will help us get to a new normal? >> absolutely. wing nuts are gonna wing. there is nothing new there. i mean, this is the same crew arguing that facemasks are for sissies. this is the same crew that says i am not afraid of this virus, even though it's going to take the lives of 600,000 americans.
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this is the same crew that four instances of voter fraud, dead relatives voting for trump, was evidence that our election is rigged in pennsylvania. misinformation is nothing new. qanon nation is going to keep doing what they do. at the end of the day, we persevere and pennsylvania is doing well with that. but there is absolutely going to be outliars, but the overwhelming majority much the residents know that that in makes sense and we can put this pandemic behind us here in pennsylvania. >> lieutenant governor, i am glad you brought up the election. there is a bunch of new voting bills going on in different states. the g.o.p. legislature there is talking about a new bill in pennsylvania eying changes to voting requirements there. i.d. requirements, signature matching. based on what happened in pennsylvania last cycle, is that the kind of thing that you think what restore confidence? what is the effect for the folks potentially like yourself who
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could be on the ballot in 2022 and the people vote tlg? >> for the republicans in pennsylvania, all that's performed dr bad performance in these bils, that's going to die under the governor's veto pen. that's not really a concern in pennsylvania. in states where there is control from the executive branch in the legislature, of course there has been these kind of laws being implemented. the truth of the matter is, the republicans even acknowledged it just the other -- just yesterday that the only voter fraud in pennsylvania was by republicans and it was a small number. we had four cases of voter fraud out of 7 million ballots cast. any kind of voter reform laws is a solution in search of a problem that doesn't exist. that's their boogeyman. they know that. it's part of that misinformation that drives and is emblematic of their strategy. >> are there steps that should be taken to restore confidence?
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i get you are saying it's a boogie nan spear forrial man thing, but how do you convince all pennsylvanians the next time they vote it's going to count? >> because it did count. let's be honest. 2020, we had the smoothest election in recent memory despite enormal ittous challenges, including implementation of vote by mail. we will convincingly point out there were four cases of dead relatives voting for the president out of 7 million ballots cast, that's pretty good odds, better than the lottery's odds, quite frankly. if i can't convince you you don't want to wear a facemask, i can't convince you vaccines work. there is always going to be that outlying -- the fact that if you accept truth, refuse to embrace science, there is a place for you in today's g.o.p. >> all right. lieutenant governor, we will have to leave it there. thanks for being with us this morning. good to see you. >> thank you. more protests are expected today in ohio and north carolina
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following back-to-back police shootings this week. in elizabeth city, north carolina, seven deputies are on leave and calls are growing for authorities to release body cam video of a police encounter with andrew brown jr. he was killed wednesday while sheriffs deputies served a search warrant. in columbus, ohio, a shooting death of 16-year-old ma'khia bryant tuesday. chris pallone with more. good morning. what are the expectations of what we will learn today? >> reporter: garrett, lindsey, good morning to you. we are expecting a fifth day of protests here in ohio's capital city here at the statehouse today, late they are afternoon. organizers are planning a really in support of ma'khia bryant and calling for more reforms of the columbus police department. there was another protest last night, the fourth night of proefrlts, where a small group gathered in front of columbus
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city hall and marched in the streets calling for justice. now, the police department here and city leaders urged caution. this incident, this shooting on tuesday of 16-year-old ma'khia bryant, is now under the state's review, the highest investigative body in the state is taking a look at the shooting to see exactly what happened and to see whether that shooting was justified. the officer who killed ma'khia bryant, nicholas reardon, is now off the streets as this investigation continues. when you watch the video, obviously, the police department describes that bryant was actually trying to attack another woman with a knife and that's why the officer fired the shots. but members here in the community are saying could something else be done? some sort of de-escalation? that's what they're calling for, the investigation to continue here. >> chris pallone, thank you. and we're inching closer to a bipartisan breakthrough on
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turning now to capitol hill and new insight this morning into the behind-the-scenes negotiations surrounding police reform representations, karen bass feels positive momentum towards the bill passing in the senate in the wake of the derek chauvin verdicts. >> msnbc's amanda golden is on capitol hill. what are we learning about these negotiations? >> reporter: well, lindsey and garrett, we are hearing optimism from both sides of the aisle around this very substantive
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legislation, trying to do reform around police brutality and different motions moving forward so we don't see continued actions like we saw in the last several months and years. they are expressing optimism. the george floyd justice in policing act, this passed the house back in march, but did not get the ten republican senators onboard in order to break that 60-vote threshold in order to move forward. now there are private conversations taking place between karen bass alongside republican senator tim scott as well as democratic senator cory booker trying to work out some compromises around this legislation to move it forward. there is room for compromise on some issues, including banning chokeholds and no-knock warrants. one flashpoint is around qualified immunity. that provides civil lawsuit protections to police officers themselves if they are sued within various force incidents. what tim scott is proposing to
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democrats is instead it of having those lawsuits brought against specific officers, to hold police departments accountable. that doesn't go quite far enough for some democrats who want too see accountable for both. but democratic congresswoman karen bass expressed optimism in working out the negotiations when she spoke about our colleagues especially around the issue of qualified immunity. >> i think we have to resolve a few things, continue our discussions, but hopefully my fingers are crossed, hopefully, we're very close. and i think that accountability needs to be both. it certainly needs to be the employer, but it needs to be the employee as well. and so that's a difference that we have. >> reporter: so for some of those key differences, congresswoman bass indicated she is going to stick around next week. the house is going into recess. she wants to continue to have the conversations with the senators and will continue to
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update house speaker nancy pelosi. president of the national association of black law enforcement executives, linda, good morning. >> good morning. >> let's talk about that sticking point. qualified immunity in more detail, what is it, and what would weakening it mean? >> so, the national organization of black law enforcement executives, we do believe that we need to revisit qualified immunity, just the creation of it wasn't leveling the playing field. and so even as we look at it, we're calling for accountability and transparency. and it's come that qualified immunity is like a blanket to hide behind. in order to build trust in the communities that we serve, you have to have that accountability andpancy. and by revisiting qualified immunity, that's the right step. >> that said, there is a poll from "the washington post" and abc that shows 6 in 10 americans
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think more should be done to hold police accountable. so given that public support, do you fear that what we will end up with, the bill, the bipartisan bill that's being negotiated now, will potentially be watered down? >> this is a step in the right direction. i know we can build upon it. we urge and encourage congress to pass this. this is important across the board as we are at a turning point, at a very critical point in history as it relates to policing. it's the right step. you have course, when we do that, we are working towards being good stewards of the judicial system, which law enforcement has taken that oath to serve and protect. >> the house has passed a bill banning chokeholds, and also no-knock warrants, and it creates a database of police officers who acted inappropriately in the line of duty. no republicans in the house supported this.
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we heard from amanda golden, senator tim scott, the only black member of the g.o.p. is in negotiations with karen bass, senator booker. if you were in the room, what would you tell them to keep in mind? >> we are law enforcement. we are stewards. we are guardians of our community, not an occupying force, not warriors. of course, there has to be accountability across the line. no one above the law. and of course, when people feel comfortable with their community, it's a safer environment for everyone, that they respect what law enforcement are doing every day about they put their lives on the line. again, that law enforcement respect, the culture of a community. >> do you feel right now that there is a tipping point right now in policing reform in this country? >> absolutely. this is a time for all stakeholders. our judicial system, civic leaders, law enforcement, it's time to acknowledge the
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disparities and take ownership and it's time to enact real reform. it's definitely a time for right now. we cannot lose any more lives. too many families are grieving and suffering. but we have to make that accountability and transparency so we can learn and move forward. we cannot bring back the george floyds, but we have to make sure that everyone is accountable and feels safe to be an american in this country. >> linda williams, thank you for your time. good to speak with you. breaking news as we speak. 11:00 we are expecting a press conference in north carolina on the recent police killing of an african american man there. plus, the doj bringing down the homer on the capitol hill rioters. now preparing to file charges against 500 people. the details ahead. and president biden will round out his first 100 days in office with his first address to a joint session of congress wednesday. we will dive into what he wants them to agent on next. and make sure to join brian
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the justice department is now expecting to charge more than 500 people in the capitol hill insurrection. more than 400 people have already been charged in connection to the january 6th capitol attack in what doj lawyers describe as one of the largest investigations in american history. more than 15,000 hours of video from surveillance and police body cameras has been included in the evidence with court documents showing those charged come from nearly every state. president joe biden's first address to congress on wednesday will be the most exclusive ticket in washington. invite only, and only 200 people will be allowed inside the chamber as the president delivers his remarks. the day before his first 100 days in office. lauren eagan is in delaware with
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more. what do we expect to hear from the president? >> reporter: good morning. well, president biden is expected to use his address wednesday night to unveil this next phase of his plan to kind of reshape the american economy. now, this is going to be on top of the american jobs plan, which he unveiled a few weeks earlier. the administration is calling this second phase the american families plan. it's aimed at things like universal pre-k, expanding access to child care and establishing some sort of national standard for paid family leave. now, this bill is expected to cost around $1.5 trillion and the white house has said that they are look at raising taxes on sort of that top level of income earners, but they reiterated a number of times that anyone making 400,000 or less will not see a tax increase. i want to note, as you mentioned, that wednesday night's address is going to look a lot different for two reasons. one, only 200 people will be in the room, and, two, it will be
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the first time in u.s. history where two women are seated behind the president as he speaks, and that of course will be house speaker pelosi and vice president harris. >> historic, indeed. today president biden will become the first u.s. president to recognize the armenian genocide. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: that's right. you know, presidents in the past said that they were going to do this. of course, no one has actually taken that step before. in part because turkey is a native ally and they are positioned strategically geographically speaking, and this will undoubtedly put a little bit of a strain on the u.s.'s relationship with turkey. i want to note that buyback spoke to president erdogan yesterday on the phone. in the readout of that call, they did not mention that they discussed the genocide. but, you know, president biden has made a practice of calling foreign leaders and informing them of decisions that he is going to make before he announces them publicly. >> okay. all right. lauren eagan, thank you.
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florida congressman matt gaetz is finding himself in damage control mode according to a new report launching a full-scale p.r. campaign around the same time news broke he was involved in a doj sex trafficking investigation. "the daily beast" reports that recent campaign finance records show him spending money on direct mailings, tv ads, donations to other g.o.p. lawmakers and most interestingly $5,000 in consulting fees to former trump operative roger stone. we should note that gaetz has consistently denied any wrongdoing and isn't charged with any crimes. "the daily beast" reporter who wrote that argument. roger, the one ex men's is that $5,000 donation to the strategic political consulting company founded by roger stone. stone was the guy who courted controversy, who made controversy a political art form for decades. what does $5,000 get you from roger stone if you are matt
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gaetz? >> mine, it's unclear, right? we see he paid him that amount, $5,000, and we do see when he paid him. so this report that i looked at covers just the first part of the year, the first three months. and most of the spending comes just ahead or around the time that the investigation was announced. his payment to stone on march 24th. so he paid his firm $5,000 and then he meets his dad meets with this doj prosecutor, former doj prosecutor, to discuss some extortion scheme that's connected to this investigation, and matt uses that immediately to counterpunch against the news. he takes that extortion scheme to distract from the fact he has been announced to be under investigation for sex trafficking, which he acknowledged himself. that has to be -- those two things have to be twinned together. it seems like maybe he some sort of consulting meeting with him
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around that time. >> let's talk about the timing of this spending. the $116,000 in direct mail spending on march 31st, the day after "the new york times" broke the story that gaetz was involved in this sex-trafficking probe. that does to tell you he is trying do with that spending? >> it seems like he is trying to bolster support, right? so it would seem he would be blasting out some sort of message to try to get ahead of the news as best that he could. he did do a p.r. blitz on tv. you have to remember the day that the story broke he goes on tucker carlson and seems pretty prepared to punch back against this stuff. the next day he blasts out, you know, some sort of mail to his supporters. i spoke with a number of them for this article. one remembered getting something in the mail but did not remember
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exactly what it was. but it seems like it was like a fundraising effort. >> gaetz is kind of a loaner in d.c. he doesn't have a ton of friends in the house. your reporting shows he made some donations the last quarter to senators mike lee and rand paul, kind of notable libertarians, but not to his colleagues in the house. does that tell you anything about his strategy and how he is trying to keep the support of his republican colleagues? >> well, gaetz titled his book "firebrand" in september and he sees himself as a rogue who can float around d.c. as a partisan free radical at times. it doesn't seem to hurt him among his colleagues. he embraces not having friends in the swamp. he didn't give money the first part of this year to anyone in the house and he also didn't get money from anybody in the house, jim jordan didn't give to him. he did, however, give $5,000
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each to some florida state senators. and four of them are on the agricultural committee. one is on the health committee. and cnn reported just recently that medical marijuana is a focus of this investigation, and whether some of these escorts, these trips were allegedly provided to gaetz as part of an influence program over medical marijuana. >> that has been a sort of pet issue for gaetz in washington. i want you to look around the corner for the next week, two weeks, next month of this story. his colleague, associate, joel greenberg is expected to make a plea deal. gaetz has hired high-powered criminal defense attorneys based here in new york. what does your reporting show you about what his strategy is on the legal front as well? >> well, we do see that he is spending his legal bills have ramped up exponentially,
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actually, since the investigation was reportedly started, which is last summer you can see that in the filings this year, too. my colleague and i have been reporting on the investigation itself. we have reported on venmo transfers we have seen between gaetz's friend under indictment for sex trafficking and we've seen payments from him to gaetz and him to dozens of young women. we have seen thousands and thousands of dollars, and we don't expect it to slow down at all. >> some very interesting reporting there. roger sullenberger of "the daily beast," thank you. >> thank you. all right. let's turn to the coronavirus. more than 137 million americans have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine. now the attention is turning to vaccinated children. stephanie gosk has more on parent hesitancy. >> reporter: it is likely a matter of time before children are eligible for the covid vaccine. will their parents be ready to
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vaccinate them? would you consider yourself an anti-vaxxer in. >>? >> no. >> reporter: against other diseases, but ashley poindexter says her girls won't be getting the covid vaccine. not yet. >> i don't feel safe enough. if this had been on the market for 10 to 15 years, i would feel comfortable. >> reporter: more than 25% of parents do not intend to vaccinate their kids. >> it's not an emergency in the pediatric population. >> reporter: registered nurse jessica, who is, herself, vaccinated against covid. >> i have a 1-year-old and a 2 1/2-year-old and i am very pro-vaccine but i am not pro-the covid vaccine for my own children. >> reporter: because children are much less at risk from covid. >> as of right now, the science shows kids are not spreading it or carrying it. >> reporter: herd immunity may depend on their vaccinations. >> children do transmit. so return to normalcy, especially for children, would
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require that we vaccinate children as well. >> reporter: an argument that doesn't resonate with ashley, who got the johnson & johnson vaccine. >> what was your reaction to the news that johnson & johnson was put on hold? >> i felt like i was back at the beginning of the pandemic. sorry. >> reporter: it scared you? >> yeah, a lot. >> reporter: she has concerns about the pace of vaccine development. >> they should find comfort in the fact that vaccine development is proceeding cautiously and systemically and the evaluation of these vaccines in children is very systematic. >> reporter: ashley is following the vaccine trials in children closely. >> i am an adult. i can make my own choices about how i feel i can put myself in harm's way. with the children you are more protective. >> reporter: for now, she says, she needs more convincing. stephanie gosk, nbc news. coming up, a devastating
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welcome back, everybody. it's a party up in space. you are looking at live images right now afterspacex capsule successfully docked with the international space station. garrett, this trip is really historic for many reasons. number one, they reused one of their rockets. number two, this is the third crewed flight in a year for elon musk's spacex. >> you have the wife of a former pilot up there. now embarrassing when you wear the same thing as a host. so awkward. very cool. >> they are all wearing smiles. we love to see it. back to the breaking news this morning. we want to get to the indonesian navy announcing this morning that items from a submarine missing since wednesday have been found indicating that the vessel carrying 53 crew members had sunk. >> this announcement comes after
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the u.s. joined a global effort to find the missing crew who were believed to have run out of oxygen yesterday. this is a story that has captivated a lot of people. there was hope they could find this crew before their oxygen had rount. the thinking is that probably happened yesterday. this is not welcome news in that country. >> yeah, unfortunately, they have found several indicators that this has a tragic end. prayer rugs found, a grease bottle, a torpedo straightener found. these are all indications that it looks like this is now a recovery mission and not a rescue mission. we are coming -- >> we will come back to this. we have a reporter on this. we will bring you the latest in just a little bit on that. but we want to switch gears. today marks the second day of covid shots at new york city's newest vaccination site. the museum of natural history. i visited yesterday and specifically new yorkers can walk in without an appointment,
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get their jab underneath this beauty, the iconic 94-foot-long blue whale model. nearly 50% of new york residents now have gotten at least one shot, and i spoke to a woman who chose this place for the historic moment. >> i was walking in the park on monday and two girls came up to me and they asked me, do you want to take the vaccine? i said, sure. and so here i am. >> reporter: what was it like being underneath the blue whale and getting your shot? >> surreal, because i have been in this museum so many times. i never thought i would take a vaccine right here. >> so the good news is cases, hospitalizations and deaths, they are all trending downward in the city, but the mayor says he won't begin loosening restrictions until the vaccination rate climbs, saying the earliest we could see the outdoor mask mandate lifted, the earliest would be july. >> that is cool to get your shot under the whale. i don't think they sell band-aids that big at dwayne
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read. >> no a lot of people are wondering why they are doing this. we are talking about it, right? >> absolutely. >> drawing attention, excitement. >> for people who are vaccine lazy, maybe, people who haven't gotten up off the couch to make sure they follow through on their appointment. >> it's been hard to get an appointment. >> right. if it's a trip to see the whale at the museum, i can get out of bed for that. >> exactly. we want to get back to the breaking news that we just told you about, the indonesian navy announcing that items from a submarine missing this week have been found indicating that the vessel has sunk. >> that announcement comes after the u.s. joined a global effort to find this missing crew believed to have run out of oxygen yesterday. foreign correspondent matt bradley joins us. matt, what can you tell us? >> reporter: yeah, we heard just now from the head of the navy, he said that they recovered prayer rugs, a bottle of grease
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and straight ners for torpedos. this submarine has, indeed sunk. that's not new information. it's tragic. it won't surprise a lot of the authorities who assumed that all of those onboard had perished because they had calculated that the oxygen for those 53 crew members would have been exhausted several hours ago, already today. so now what's left? it looks as though the authorities are likely going to be shifting from a rescue effort to a recovery effort. of course, this is tragic news, again, for the 53 family members and everybody in indonesia. it is going to be wondering what went wrong. >> matt bradley, thank you. and coming up, caitlyn for california governor. caitlyn jenner is throwing her hat in the race for governor there. >> how much does it bid california's other celebrity governor? we will take it up with arnold schwarzenegger's former chief of staff after this. f after this
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politics and showbiz. it's a match that has worked before. and in california another celebrity is gearing up for a run for office. caitlyn jenner announced her bid to replace gavin newsom as efforts to recall him move forward. the reality star released a statement saying this will be a campaign of solutions that will finally clean up the damage
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newsom has done. small businesses have been devastated due to the lockdowns and taxes are too high killing jobs and hurting families. newsom's campaign says it is part of a ludicrous circus of trump supporters entering the circle. many are making the comparison to arnold schwarzenegger's run in 2003. joining us now is the chief of staff to former governor arnold schwarzenegger, daniel, good morning. thanks for being with us. >> good morning. how are you? >> good, thanks. thank you very much for being with us. what do you think? is this a stunt or does this exist in the realm of possibilities here? >> i -- i'm not here to be anti-caitlyn jenner, but one thing i think is really important when we talk about celebrities entering politics, we have a tendency to put everyone in the same bucket. so every time a celebrity runs,
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it's like oh, it's another schwarzenegger. we don't do the same thing for lawyers. when a lawyer runs for office we don't say it's another ted cruz. it's important we look at everyone in the substance of what they've done throughout their lives. arnold is friends with caitlyn jenner, mayor newsom and everyone involved in this, but it's important not to throw every celebrity into the same bucket. >> you touched on this, how does the schwarzenegger record compare? he was prolific in fund-raising beforehand. he was on the bush fitness council. he was married to a kennedy. that's about as plugged into politics you can be without being a politician. how does that compare with someone like jenner throwing her hat in the ring more based on name recognition alone?
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>> yeah. i'm not aware of caitlin's charity work, but what i will tell you is you're right, arnold had this long record. he was -- he was on the president's council of fitness. and he had a record of getting involved in issues and really following through on them. when he was the chairman of the president's council, he saw kids hanging around after school and asked principals what's going on here and spent the next 30 years building a nationwide after-school program. when you look at celebrities or anyone who wants to run for office, i would look at do they have that record of really showing an interest in public service and follow-through. because if they do, then they learn about the issues and takes on things like gerrymandering and lowering air pollution.
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>> we are dealing with some tech issues here for our audience at home with your skype. hopefully we can still get you for this next question. how big of a role does celebrity play here in politics? when you think about somebody running who does have that name recognition, how big of an advantage are they already? >> well, you're out the gates with the name recognition. so it's a huge thing. you're not having to spend a ton of money on advertising to make sure people know your name. i don't know caitlin's name i.d., but i know arnold's is nearly 100%. that's a big jump ahead in the race. >> california is obviously a much more democratic state now than it was when schwarzenegger won in 2003. democrats had only about an eight-point lead at the time. jenner has been all over the place, supporting trump. i wonder how you think the party
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i.d. factor plays in here. can any republican win in california especially when you have questions about senate control, if dianne feinstein should retire. how does jenner running as a republican change the game? >> it's definitely an uphill battle in california. i mean republicans were about 34% of the electorate in california. arnold showed if you're not a public figure you can overcome that. he got 56% of the vote. today they're down to 24% -- for any republican to win, it's an uphill battle. that's why arnold was the last republican to win statewide office. >> we have to leave it there today. thank you very much for being on with us. good to talk to you. >> thanks. thank you for watching msnbc reports. i'm lindsey reiser.
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>> we'll be back tomorrow 6:00 a.m. sunday. "velshi" starts right now. today on "velshi," new questions about what's being called a massive and historic intelligence failure ahead of the capitol riot. why so many red flags were missed beforehand and why mountains of evidence still are not being used by prosecutors. and he was there with george floyd's family to breathe in the relief of the guilty verdict and two days later he grieved with another family mourning the loss of another black man killed by police. the reverend al sharpton will join me shortly. and i'll talk to two women who have been touched by our racist policing and justice system about what the guilty derek chauvin verdict means for them. deborah wattz and samaria rice will join me later in the show. "velshi" starts now.
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good morning. it's saturday, april 24th. i'm ali velshi. we begin with breaking news. following a new safety review, the fda and the cdc lifted the recommended pause on theuse of the johnson & johnson vaccine. a week and a half ago the agencies halted the use of the johnson & johnson vaccine after six women developed a rare blood clotting, however these cases are extremely rare occurrences, an independent advisory committee says the vaccine is safe and the benefits far outweigh the risks. when the news about ending the vaccine pause broke, dr. anthony fauci was being interviewed for a special edition of "american voices" airing tomorrow on

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