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of two new police shootings as republican-led states pass laws targeting protestors and drivers who run them over. we'll talk to the mother of heather higher when a white nationalist plowed his car into a crowd of counter protesters. breaking news overseas. hopes of rescuing 53 sailors off the indonesian island of bali now fading. officials announcing they have found pieces of the vessel. good morning, everybody. it is saturday, april 24th. i'm lindsey reiser. i'm in for kendis. >> the last time you were here it was march 14th, 2020. we were not sitting this far apart. >> no. >> cruise ships had been docked. flights from the u.k. and ireland had stopped. the presidential campaign had paused and nobody knew what we were getting ourselves into. we had to say 100, 150,000
people could die and that seemed unthinkable. >> here we are upwards of 500,000. >> good to be with you. we have a lot of news to cover. >> we have a team of reporters and analysts. we'll get to the breaking news of a missing submarine. the latest on the johnson & johnson vaccine. they could resume as early as today after federal health officials lifted a pause saying the shot is safe but they will include a new warning about potential blood clots for some people. >> msnbc's cory kaufman is with us. walk us through this decision. >> reporter: lindsay and garrett, good morning to both of you. ultimately, this decision came down to weighing the benefits of the vaccine and the potential risks. the acting fda commissioner put out a statement and said that ultimately they felt that the vaccine was safe and effective to bring back to market with
that warning label about the potential risk for blood clotting. according to our latest numbers, there were about 8 million doses given out before the national pause and about 15 cases. so the new numbers show that it happens in about 1.9 people per million cases. a little bit higher than we had previously seen with the previous 6 million cases and 6 people. as scientists continue to monitor this though, they do say that this is a higher risk for women 18 to 49 years old. the vaccine could come back as soon as today. johnson & johnson has said they are ready with 9 million doses to bring back to market. the question is whether or not people are going to want to get this vaccine now that it's coming back. dr. anthony fauci weighed in on that last night. listen to what he had to say. >> there were a lot of people, believe it or not more than we would have imagined, who really liked the idea about a single shot vaccine. people saying they're sorry it
was paused. they can't wait until it gets back because they'd rather have a single dose vaccine. that's the really important advantage of that, in addition to the cold chain issues and others. so it is a very effective vaccine and it has some advantages depending on the situation you're in. >> reporter: the panel played around with several scenarios on potentially bringing this vaccine back but ultimately decided on that warning label. i have to note it was not a unanimous vote. ten members voted to bring it back but four voted against it. one member lamenting the fact there was not more emphasis on the risk of women ages 18 to 49. more information out there into the public. ultimately the panel decided the warning label was accurate and they feel moving forward the benefits of people getting this third vaccine are going to greatly out weigh the risk.
that was the ultimate message. >> thanks for starting us off. we want to dive into this on the decision to lift the johnson & johnson pause. joining us is dr. sharif elmahal. he's the former health commissioner for new jersey. doctor, good morning. you know, we know about this j&j vaccine and the benefits, right? only one dose, that's helpful for a lot of people who don't like needles. also for the homeless, for people maybe in rural areas that are hard to get to. do you worry about this pause which many say shows this process is working will add to vaccine hesitancy? >> thank you so much for having me this morning. i think it's an appropriate concern but one we're not seeing here in the city of newark and potentially elsewhere. we're seeing folks during the pause say, hey, i want to get vaccinated for johnson & johnson.
when do you think this will come down? there's a preference because it's a recognizable brand. there's a question whether the pause increased hesitancy. that poll showed hesitancy went down. more people have confidence across different demographics and even political persuasions because folks were reassured there's an adverse events system that's detecting something that's so rare and federal authorities put a pause immediately upon detecting it. i do think that message is getting through. otherwise, it's all very encouraging. >> it's been a lot of reaction to comments made by wisconsin senator ron johnson earlier this week. he questioned why everybody needs to get shots. dr. fauci reacted to those comments yesterday. take a listen to this. >> what is the point? the science tell us the vaccines are 95% effective so if you have
a vaccine, quite honestly what do you care if your neighbor has one or not? >> well, there's a pretty good reason. we have 567,000 people who have died so far in this country from this disease. that is a really, really good reason to get people vaccinated. how can anyone say that 567,000 dead americans is not an emergency? >> how widespread do you think that kind of thinking is? and what impact could that kind of rhetoric from an influential lawmaker have on people who are hesitant about getting the vaccine at all? >> this is similar to dr. fauci's. look, you have science that shows your risk of getting covid-19 even if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated goes down precipitously when you reach the threshold of herd immunity, until you're there
you're still going to get clusters of infection. you can still get covid-19 if you have gotten these vaccines. a 5% risk of a population of 300 million people even if you're vaccinated is higher than you would want. you do want your neighbors to get vaccinated. you should be talking to your friends, family, loved ones about it. the science shows you have to vaccinate a certain threshold for everyone's risk to be lower. >> they say if one country is facing covid-19, all countries are. this is a global problem. we're seeing in india, here's some footage from sky news, showing how bad it is there. i mean, they're overwhelmed there at that hospital running out of beds. should this be a warning sign to the u.s. here that the pandemic still isn't over? >> it's absolutely a warning sign for several reasons. first of all, there are direct flights coming into newark airport, which is very close to where we are, from india all the
time. going back. the flights are increasing and travel is increasing. when you have major countries like the country of india have an unprecedented surge per capita, the worst on record for this pandemic, that's a problem. folks with covid-19 and potentially more severe variants of covid-19 may be coming from other parts of the world back into the united states. the second thing is, much of the vaccine pharmaceutical production capacity is in india. when you have a work force getting covid and dealing with the same issues the united states had to deal with last spring with absenteeism and what have you, that threatens the global supply chain as well. >> doctor, we have to leave it there. thank you very much. back to that breaking news this morning. the indonesian navy announcing moments ago items from a submarine have been found indicating the vessel carrying 53 crew members had suck. the announcement coming after
they joined a vessel and it ran out of oxygen yesterday. >> matt bradley has the latest on this. >> reporter: this is tragic news but news that unfortunately we had all expected. this is because authorities had told us that that submarine that had been missing on wednesday was due to run out of oxygen several hours ago. this isn't so much of a surprise. there was really just racing to try to find these sailors, 53 of them, who were trapped inside that ill-fated submarine off the coast of bali. you mentioned this press conference that happened a couple of moments ago. the navy chief came out and said they found some items, including prayer rugs, a degrees bottle and a straightener for torpedos. all of this, they said, indicated that the submarine had, indeed, sunk. again, this is very tragic and something that everybody had suspected though because already they had made some sonar
readings. they had found what seemed to be a magnetic sighting of this submarine below the surface. they believe if it had sunk had already sunk to about three times the level at which it would begin to essentially break up under the pressure of the water. so based on everything that was known up until now, everybody had already believed that these 53 crew members had perished. now even though we haven't gotten an official recognition, it seems as though this is no longer a rescue mission, this is simply a recovery mission skbl that is so sad. those details make it all the more heart wrenching. matt bradley, thank you for the update. as demonstrators take it to the street, gop lawmakers are trying to make it more difficult. they're targeting drivers who hit and kill protesters. we'll talk to susan breaux. we'll get her thoughts on the slew of antiprotest legislation
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more potential legal consequences this morning for derek chauvin. the doj reportedly considering additional charges against the former officer convicted of murdering george floyd, this time for a 2017 incident. this as more protests are expected today in the wake of two recent police shootings in ohio. shaq brewster has more. what are we learning? >> reporter: we know that derek chauvin is waking up again in that maximum security state prison about 30 minutes from where i'm standing right now. it's in one of the state's most secure prisons and one of the most secure units in that prison. the focus here in minneapolis
continues to be on where does the community go from here. this is a week where we saw that range of emotions, you saw the conviction of derek chauvin on tuesday. open celebrations after convictions. on wednesday the department of justice launched the pattern and practices investigation and then on thursday you saw daunte wright shot by a brooklyn center officer who yelled taser, taser, taser before firing a single bullet laid to rest. you're seeing a focus on policing as more and more communities are dealing with what they're calling relentless trauma. you see in columbus, ohio, the shooting of 16-year-old mkaya bryant. police arrived and shot and killed her. you saw protests there in columbus. in elizabeth city, north carolina, you're seeing more protests after a man was killed. andrew brown was killed by an officer after they were serving
a police warrant. each of these instances another round of pain and police accountability. listen to how one protester put it to us earlier. >> we need a complete review of the training. they said training. we've had shooting after shooting after shooting. maybe the training's wrong. we need an independent, full review of our training systems here. >> reporter: now back here in minneapolis we've been talking about the tension that was existing before the verdict came in. city officials said you're going to see protections, operation safety net, start to see that scale back a bit. now we're starting to see the boarded up windows come down. we're seeing the fencing, barbed wire come down as the city moves
to the next phase after they come from here and a very emotional and busy week. gary? >> what a week. now to the nation's capitol and the latest on the push for police reform in congress. there's a new sense of optimism on both sides of the aisle that a compromise could be reached. some sticking points remain. that sticking point, amanda golden is on capitol hill. >> reporter: good morning, lindsay and garrett. this issue of bipartisanship is tossed around on the hill. it's nice in theory and tougher in reality. they are working on compromises around substantive police reforming. the bill is the george floyd justice in policing act. it passed in the house and stalled in the senate. they couldn't get the 10
senators on board in order to break the 60 vote threshold. there are new elements that could be moving it forward. private talks between democratic senators and republican senators. there are elements and conversations going where they could find compromise. there are some issues they are not sure they can break through, the big flashpoint is around qualified immunity. whether or not officers could be sued and have that legal protection over immunity for their cases. what democrats are saying is that they want to push for it. they want to see that accountability held. republicans saying they are worried it would stop new recruits coming in over fear of financial risk and not wanting to be sued and having to deal with the consequences for incidents that take place. what senator scott is proposing, instead of holding the specific officers responsible, you can hold the law enforcement, police
stations, overall enforcement instead of individuals. that's something that could have potential breakthroughs and what we've heard them say is they're trying to update democratic senator nancy pelosi. >> i am hoping very much after a few more days hopefully we can get to the point of actually formalizing negotiations. still not quite there. >> come come? >> i think we have to resolve a few things, continue our discussions, but hopefully my fingers crossed, hopefully we're very close. >> reporter: democrats are warning that just because there is thatuiy verdict in the derek chauvin trial, that doesn't substitute substantive legislation moving things forward. democrats in the senate do need to bring on the 10 republicans
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he started losing feeling in his arms and legs. he has been checked twice by doctors not affiliated with the prison. navalny's doctors now demand he be transferred to a better equipped moscow hospital. he was arrested in january after returning from germany where he had spent five months recovering from a poisoning that he blames on the kremlin. russian officials deny. president biden and the european union announced sanctioning for the poisoning of navalny. new crackdown on protesters amid growing calls for police reform. >> the state of oklahoma is the latest to grant immunity to drivers. tvs passed in iowa as well. they followed florida's anti-riot bill. >> according to "the new york times" gop lawmakers in 34 states have introduced 81
anti-protest bills this year. more than twice as many as any other year. heather higher was killed in 2017 when a man drove into a group of counter protesters demonstrating against a unite the right rally in charlottesville. her mother, susan breau, joins us now. good morning. thanks for being with us. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> i looked up the website for your daughter's foundation and on that website it says that heather embodied the spirit of the civil rights movement by speaking out for justice and equality. tell us why it was so important for her to peacefully protest that day. that rally, we should mention, drew hundreds of white supremacists that day, 2017. >> heather and her friends were a part of a large group that stayed away from the violence that day. they were on the opposite side of the downtown mall. heather would tell you herself she was a lover, not a fighter. for her to be out on a hot august day when she had to
bartend that evening so she was dressed all in black for that, had her hair pulled back, had a shift that she was supposed to go to, probably what she assumed would be right afterward not knowing that time that the restaurant was closed, but that tells me how much it meant to her to be there just to show up. but she was -- she was afraid of the violence honestly. she was not a violent person. >> susan, the man who murdered your daughter was sentenced to life in prison. i wonder what you make when you hear about a law like this that might have given immunity to someone who could have essentially made this argument that he was in fear for his life or something when he was trying to get out of this protest. what's your reaction to these laws? >> first off, it wouldn't have applied to him. it was proven there was no one around him when he chose to drive into the crowd so he couldn't have used that defense, but i just wonder, have the loegt tors really thought this
through? so if you're giving qualified to immunity to people who attack with a car and who claim self-defense, i believe there were already laws in place that would have covered that situation. do we next say based on that you have qualified immunity? do we next say guns have qualified immunity? where do we draw the line where we say people are given weapons to attack protesters and counter protesters. do we think three people together for a similar purpose create a riot? there was a peaceful protest in charlottesville, five women stood silently in a semicircle in a park with signs supporting black lives matter. according to these new laws, that would have been a riot.
that would have been something that was actionable. they could have gone to jail for at least 48 hours. i mean, it's -- our country has long had protests. >> absolutely. >> i see that there are concerns for property damage and loss of life yet i believe there were already laws in place to cover those. i'm not sure other than a desire to prevent people protesting black lives matter that these laws were put in place. i just don't see that there's been any need for them. >> i'm glad you mentioned the black lives matter movement. we've been covering it, watching these protests all around the country. people feel like maybe there's no other way to make their voices heard. i'm wondering if you think laws like this may make somebody not come out. >> that's the intent of the law. family misdemeanor charges are
now felonies. once you have a felony your life is trashed in so many ways. the new jim crow book, the update addresses that issue a lot, how you become an under class of citizens. so there's a deliberate effort here to threaten. there's a deliberate effort to silence and push people into the background. we don't want to hear about it. that's what they're saying. >> susan bro, we certainly appreciate you coming on and speaking with us. thank you. >> thank you for having me. now nearly 100 days into joe biden's presidency, some state republicans in arizona are still not entirely convinced joe biden won their state. he did. a recount of every ballot passed
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welcome back, everybody. the indonesian navy said items from the submarine have been found. the navy chief said the debris indicates this vessel has sunk. scan detected the submarine at nearly 3,000 feet deep. that is well beyond survivable limits. several items including a torpedo straightener, bottle of degrees and prayers rugs were found. you're looking live at the international space station where the third spacex crewed flight in less than a year has just docked. four astronauts from three different countries hitched a ride after taking off from the kennedy space center friday morning. they'll spend the next six months in space. this marks the first time a rocket booster was used to transport -- reused to transport humans. >> exciting stuff there. we are tracking severe weather sweeping across the southeast today. more than 20 million people are under the threat of tornadoes,
hail, extreme wind from new orleans all the way to wilmington, north carolina. flash flooding also possible across the entire southeast and models show another possible round of severe storms next week for oklahoma, kansas, as well as the southern plains. house republicans gathering in orlando for an annual retreat. some are worried an unfolding power struggle between former president trump and mitch mcconnell could damage the party and hurt their chances. liz cheney said they'll focus on getting the gop back to conservatism back to its core. cheney said she didn't invite the former president. joining us is the director of republican accountability project and a former top advisor for vice president mike pence. what's the potential damage if republican leadership, elected
leadership can't find common ground with their former elected leader, donald trump? >> i think this puts the republican party in a very difficult spot going forward. right now we're in a situation where trumpism continues to, i would say, cause great damage to the future of the gop. discrediting to the party. i think republicans are going to lose elections because of their inability to gopher their thankful disregard for what republican vote jeers wants. >> olivia, it's lindsay here. we know joe biden won the election. >> thank you. i appreciate you saying that out loud. >> the fact that we need to. but my home state, got to bring them in, arizona, the gop-led senate started a recount of the november ballots. by the way, only for two of the
offices. senate race mark kelly won and the presidential race joe biden won. it's being carried out by cyber ninjas from florida. there have been a lot of security concerns raised here. in fact, a court almost paused the entire recounting here. what does this tell you that not only this audit is happening but it's only those two races? >> reporter: well, i think that we're seeing a page out of the trump playbook play itself out here. nothing but a political stunt that i'm sure they are using to fund raise off of. it's anti-democratic. it's very unamerican to go about it in this way. if they wanted to try to engage him and claim it's not a partisan hit here, this he would have a nonpartisan push and they would be looking at the
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a. the house has now passed a bill to make the district of columbus, america's 51st state. a tough fight with racial overtones looms in the senate. >> hallie jackson has more on what statehood might look like and what's next for that bill. >> reporter: d.c. is a lot more than just the national mall and monuments. it is full of regular neighborhoods like this one. places that are all a little different, but with one thing in common. so common it's been on the license plates, taxation without representation. democrats say to give people a voice, they are framing it as a civil rights issue now, but republicans are painting it as a political power grab by democrats to take control of the senate. all of it setting up a statehood standoff. for 60 years, 50 states p but congress is now one step closer
to adding another. >> d.c. statehood is an idea whose time is come. >> reporter: passing a bill that would make washington, district of columbia, the state of washington douglas commonwealth, honoring frederick douglass. the 700,000 plus people living in d.c. would get federal voting rights, including two new senators. that would almost certainly mean two nor democratswith the g.o.p. intensely oppose today statehood. >> democrat support sp about hr 5 #, dink partisanship. >> reporter: some republicans argue d.c. is too small. >> a singular congressional district. >> reporter: it has more people than vermont or wyoming. some have argued d.c.'s not wyoming. >> wyoming is a well rounded working class state. >> reporter: democrats blast that as thinly veiled racism. >> i had no idea there was so
many syllables in the word white. >> d.c. would be the only state, the only state without an airport, without a car dealership. >> reporter: d.c. does have car dealerships and the constitution doesn't mention those anyway. as for the founding fathers, some conservatives say they never intended that the nation's capitol become a state. >> anybody who knows a mall back from a j.crew catalog knowsage it's unconstitutional. >> reporter: if that happens, d.c. would have the highest percentage of black residents in the country. top democrats frame statehood as a riffle rights issue and supporters include the biden administration, about half of all voters nationwide and a lot of folks who call the district home. >> it makes me feel as if i am being robbed of a right that i should have. >> it feels that my voice in congress is not represented.
>> reporter: there is the security component. democrats say d.c. should make its own decision about things like the national guard, something that was especially relevant after the capitol siege january 6th. given where the republican opposition is, it is not particularly imminent unless there is a rules change in the senate. that's where things seem to be at the moment. back to you. >> thanks to hallie jackson for that report. you live there, it is moment. home. i know you have thoughts. >> democratic senators are in favor of it. i am a dallas cowboys fan. if you ask them, yeah, it's a great idea. am i going to help them go to the super bowl? no. i have very little impact on whether they are going to go. reality is democratic senators are in favor but they also represent states that are already states. on the cascading list of priorities, it's not high for them. unfortunate reality for us on the no representation thing. it's been controversial for a long time and i don't see it
getting solved. >> on the list of things that congress and the president have to do, that's probably not in the top three. >> for the 700,000 of us who live there and pay our federal taxes on time, unfortunately. let's start a new hour of msnbc now. >> and we begin with breaking news on the one shot johnson & johnson vaccine. set to resume across the country as soon as today. but request a warning. and as ron johnson is in the hot seat over comments he made questioning the push for people to get vaccinated. dr. fauci has responded. >> there is a pretty good reason we have 567,000 people who died so far in this country from this disease. that is a really, really good reason to get people vaccinated. plus, lawmakers optimistic about next steps in the push for
federal police reform. a bipartisan group working together to pass the george floyd bill. good morning. it's sunday-saturday, april 24th. >> where are you? >> where am i? who am i? >> is garrett haake your real name? >> last time i checked. we have a team of reporters and analysts following the latest for you right now. we are going to start with that breaking news on the vaccine front and johnson & johnson's covid vaccines. states have the green light to resume use of this shot for americans 18 and older. >> and this comes after the cdc disclosed 15 women who received the j&j vaccine developed an extremely rare blood clotting disorder out of nearly 8 million doses of the vaccine that had been administered. the label will warn patients about the risk of getting the vaccine. cory is in new york city. walk us through why health
officials made this decision and it means overall for our fight against the virus. >> reporter: good morning. basically, the panel ultimately decided this based on the potential risk weighing against the benefits of the vaccine. after two weeks of a pause, they decided that a warning label was going to be sufficient after scrutinizing all of the details here. you mentioned the numbers. after the latest numbers came out, some 8 million doses were administered. we are seeing 15 cases. it comes to about 1.9 cases per 1 million doses. the question is, can the public feel confident? will the public feel confident in getting this vaccine again with this warning label? having spoken to their doctor and having this new information? the cdc director talked about that yesterday in helping the public regain confidence in this vaccine. >> we have to do extraordinary outreach to patients to meet people where they're at, educate them. ov i