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hi there, everyone. president biden capping off a historic week for the country with momentum on the domestic and international fronts. the biden economy defying the hysterical fearmongering from the former guy and his general petraeus allies with the strongest economic rebound since the ragan years. the president gliding to the 100-day anderson with a 54% approval rating and much higher for the domestic agenda items and 72% of americans who approve of the covid vaccine rollout and 63% of americans that approve of the covid-19 plan. from "washington post," the rebounding economy is headed for the best year since 194. the u.s. economy likely expanded in the first quarter at an annual rate of 6% and should accelerate in the months ahead. more than 1.3 million jobs added
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since the election. trump's preferred metric the stock market biden is outperforming him at the stage of his presidency. last summer the republicans said stock values would collapse under biden but through thursday the dow up nearly 6 srs pins november 7th when biden was declared the winner compared with a 10.5% gain over a similar period following trump's election. republicans increasingly finding themselves at odds with business interests these days and potentially in historic relinement. the gop staking out extremist views on voting restrictions and anti-protest laws that may cross pressure businesses. businesses are also sharing the stage with president biden on climate change and today during the leader sum mitt on climate president biden touted a win-win for workers and businesses on climate issues. >> nations that work togtsd to
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invest in the cleaning economy will reap rewards for citizens. the united states is committed to making the investments to grow our economy here at home while connecting with markets around the world. we are launching a new global partnership for climate smart infrastructure. this would create good-paying jobs here in america by supporting development of new clean infrastructure and our partner countries. these are the sort of partnerships that are going to be good for all of us. >> so while president biden enjoys support of top business leaders on the climate agenda and by partisan support in congress the gop is moving into the danger zone with the figures having a public crack-up over the events that used to inspire relatively bipartisan reactions. the chauvin jury verdict. scientific break throughs on vaccine and hate crime
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legislation. from david brooks in "the new york times" there are increasing signs that the trumpian base is radicalizing. it can only be called a venomous panic attack. since the election large swaths of the trumpian right decided that america is facing a crisis like never before and they fight with desperation to ensure the survival of the country as they conceive it. president biden's successful first 100 days of digging the country out of the hole it was in as the gop grabs the shovels and promises to keep digging where we start the hour with some favorite reporters and friends. our friend donny deutsche is back and ab stoddard and ashley parker, "the washington post" white house bureau chief and political analyst. ashley, high bar for doing polls, we have this 100-day
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mark. this white house has a pretty consistent approval rating right here between sort of 54% and 60% and probably more important to them the legislative priorities poll even higher. >> yeah. and this white house in particular came in facing one very clear crisis, coronavirus, that they said before joe biden was sworn in would determine not just the success but the fate of his presidency and on the whole they feel pretty good about their response to the coronavirus. and if you broaden out i was talking to some senior administration officials in advance of the 100-day mark to the four crises that was identified, coronavirus, the economy tied to the virus, racial inequities and climate change and provided sort of four pillars for a blueprint and their view is we are working on
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coronavirus. it is hardly gone yet but working on it. we made the economy a priority and that's improving. we had this climate summit that is just wrapping up today so three of those four are issues that they feel like they knew were problems, came in and hardly tackled but they are tackling in a way that in the white house they feel quite encouraged about. >> donny, you and i had a lot of conversations in the general election about the imperative of approval ratings around the economy up for any democratic contender in a general election. i want to read you some approval ratings for tax increases. increased taxes on corporations 62% of all americans approve of that idea. on those making over $400,000 a year, 65% approve of that. my question to you is, they make a lot about and president
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biden's experience and the competence of the team gets attention deservedly so and shrewd with the messaging and with tax cuts they emphasize two things that poll in a real, real strong way for them. 62% and 65%. >> look. taxing rich people is never going to poll the wrong direction. i have to me raising the corporate income tax, no brainer. i think the capital gains going from 20% to 40% is extreme. my concern more than taxes because that's drn you got to pay for this stuff is paying for the stuff. the one little thing is spending $6 trlg. okay? $6 trillion. and it's easy to spend. when you add that. there's a little-known report called the state of the financial -- u.s. financial report and basically the u.s.
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government, the u.s. treasury says what we are doing is not unstainable. in the government's own report it says what we are doing is not sustainable. we are at 102% of debt to gdp. if you look at a balance sheet of the united states 33 trillion in liabilities. so my only concern and only little cloud in the wonderfulness is a guy that ran a business is that i don't know how we pay for this stuff. you know? something in my gut tells me this is all just too easy that you can't keep writing checks and i know these things are critical but there's a gut -- something going off in me saying we are doing all the right things, fixing the problems but somehow there's nobody with a green visor on looking down going, can we afford all this stuff? only thing to bring up because i know on this network it's blasphemous to do that but i started to do reading and i
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started to see that it's seven years from now the debt costs every year outweigh medicare and social security and you can't keep going like this. and i'm just worried that maybe we are going too far. now everybody can take their shots at me. >> no. listen. you should -- you're here to peek the truth and i appreciate it and having spent time on the other side of the aisle i think the republican party not in the grips of a slow dance with white supremacist might be making those points but now so repellant to corporate america that -- because of the voter suppression law and now anti-protest law and no one is making that argument so my question is, where are those voices? where's that debate taking place? the imf would have a same yellow flag i guess from you and we quoted "the washington post"
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report about reagan era recovery. are you a canary in the mine? >> i think talking to economists i'm a canary in a mine also. and not guys on this network that ran businesses and normally would be more of a debate except the republican party as you document is nothing but a party of grievance and dog whistle and david brooks article an interesting thing that there'sgov poll saying, ask democrats, is the world where most people are good? 75% yes. republicans say 76% the world is mostly criminals, illegal aliens and terrorists. two different complete perspectives and that's the republican party. >> it's a great piece, a.b. stoddard. david brooks adds this. liberal democracy is based on optimism, faith and security.
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competence and the humanistic project that through conversation and encounter we can deeply know each other across the differences, that most people seek the good with different opinions about how to get there and society is not a zero sum war. but a conversation and a negotiation. by that standard, today's republican party cannot coexist in the liberal democracy. >> you know, it really is an interesting assessment that brooks made about how we have gone away from any sense of idealism in this country and so as we become increasingly polarized'd logs have seen this as an all-out war and anyone that doesn't agree with them on either side is an enemy and no longer think that america is a shining city on a hill and the hope of the earth. i think a lot of us in the middle do but i think on the left and right legs there really
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is a zero sum culture war under way that i think is tested in 2022. look. to sort of sum up a few points from ashley and donny, yes, it is true. republicans are only interested in the debt when a democratic president comes back into power and we know that and that during donald trump's he played with the risk of inflation to sugar high the -- what was a growing economy and when obama left office with the tax cuts and the deregulation. and overstimulated it and it sort of worked out and so biden is working also with that premise and trying to go big and bold and working on policy promises that americans will respond and feel by the midterm elections that the positive effects of the vaccine, the checks, the child tax credit and that the policy differences in their lives will be felt and
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that that will lead to their votes. what the republicans have decided and we see this clearly is that they fight next year on a culture front, a culture grievance front and going to be able to motivate voters on the issues and if joe biden's very ambitious agenda with no-vote margin in the senate can't get passed will the voters that like his agenda now and give him all these incredibly sort of historically defiant poll approval ratings turn out in the midterm elections? that is really a sober calculation for the democrats that they need to see that just using dr. seuss and transgender sports and the issues actually really riles up a lot of voters on the right whereas the democrats are playing purely on a policy front that might not win them the election.
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>> let me just pause at one more data point. republican registration is declining at a pace not seen in a long time. it is down 29%, 25% in one year. president biden's agenda continuously and consistently polls above 60%. the vaccine rollout above 75%. when f and when things open up it is because of the shots in the arms and as you have said the tangible reality of what president biden did that donald trump didn't, couldn't or wouldn't is so accessible to people and part of the reason they don't engage as much as a lot of previous presidents is they don't need us yet and will be a policy sell but people understand what they're doing and getting. the republican party is so repugnant that businesses don't feel like they can get in bed with them anymore. that is -- i think you have to
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be a republican to understand how bad are they? they're so bad that corporate america is walking away from some republicans in states like georgia and texas. how do you even saber rattle and say this is going to work out for us in the midterms? it is possible and doesn't seem like the most likely scenario today. >> actually the historical trends would mean that republicans who don't possess the white house and occupy the white house will have major gains in next year's election and when you look at obama's really bad midterms and look at past midterms when those -- that party in the white house suffers 30, 40, 60 seat losses there's no buffer for the democrats and president biden. on the democratic side there are special elections and vacancies where the republicans could they can the majority in the house before the midterm elections.
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on the senate side again it is a 50/50 split. if he can't deliver and voters don't feel it, they approve in the polling then the republican plan to motivate the voters on culture war is something that absolutely could work on the margins to take back power in the midterm elections. there's no question and many democrats believe they'll lose the midterm election. >> that is certainly the rallying cry and behind nancy pelosi's staggering fund raising numbers. ashley, i would add because i was there the one exception is the first midterm elections of president bush because we were a country in crisis after 9/11.
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sometimes the history is defined when the country is in crisis. my question for you is, the republicans are in such an effective circular firing squad. you have firing at hawley and the maga people. does the biden white house see this as something to just sit out, wait out? >> oh i think -- >> let me bring ashley back in. >> so you have seen them sit this out a little bit and quite deliberately sometimes someone like white house press secretary jen psaki will be asked about someone like marjorie taylor greene or in-fighting in the republican party or donald trump in the briefing room and she very clearly has said almost these exact words i'm not going to elevate that. this was the playbook also that president biden used quite successfully during the
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campaign. there is some benefit certainly but the flip side is there are real crises. the biden administration sees these crises as sort of an old adage not just an opportunity but almost an obligation and it still remains an open question as a.b. was saying to get all of this stuff done and if the moment and the mood will hold where the country and again not republicans but in the country saying now is a bigger role for government and what joe biden is trying to do and with coronavirus many more americans are willing to say i do need the government to step in and save my house or get a vaccine in my arm and i am open to that broader role. >> donny, we have talked about something before and that is this growing divide among businesses and republicans. i want to read some of this from a piece in "the washington post" earlier this week. the rift between businesses and
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republicans began under former president donald trump and accelerated after the january 6 capitol riot and disagreements over the georgia voting rights law. those disputes come on top of months of fights in which parts of corn rat america tried to find separation from the conservative base. are republicans bad for business? >> yeah. you know, we have talked about this a few times on the show and i believe -- i do believe most ceos have good hearts but the job is shareholder value and the people that invest in the company and consumers, the people buying stuff, what everybody wants is 18 to 49-year-olds and that's who's buying cokes and fast food and cars and the first-time buyers and going to movies and they want in all the research just important as the product is corporations with a conscience.
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they want to be on the right side of issues and not like the corporations going out on such a limb but getting behind voter rights and racially equality and stuff like that's basic underpinnings of the democracy and what the republican party stands for in the current form is bad for business. it is that simple. yes. >> simple answer from my friend. thank you so much for that. a.b. and ashley, thank you. donny is sticking around. when we come back, how to keep up the persuasion campaign for people to get vaccinated as demand for the shots appear to be slowing. even donald trump is making a what too so long push for them. is right wing media night after night streams misinformation has the republican party set tim scott as the chief negotiator on
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so supposing we hit the body with a tremendous -- whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and i think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it and i said supposing the light in through to the body through the
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skin or another way and then the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute, one minute. is there a way to do something like that? by injection inside or -- or almost a cleaning. because you see it in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. >> that right there is a perfect example of why elections matter and no better way to illustrate the difference one year in an election to make. the man that wondered out loud on tv last april if people should seriously inject bleach. or light to kill the coronavirus. this week he said he's all in favor of the vaccine and that is welcomed. new york city was an epicenter last year at this time and as of today eligible new yorkers can walk into any city-run vaccination site and get theirs. brand new is museum natural
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history behind the whale and there's more good news on this front having to do with vaccines. two independent studies know that the pfizer and moderna prevent serious illness and death. as for the johnson & johnson vaccine which was paused ten days ago the cd's committee is expected to rule today on whether or not to resume administering the shots and we'll bring you the decision right away. joins us is dr. blackstock and donny deutsch is still here. i wonder sometimes if the vaccines aren't getting as much credit as they deserve. the variants came out as a scary curveball perhaps but everything i've seen show they're able to protect against serious illness and death. is that right? >> yes. we had great evidence showing they were safe and effective with tens of thousands of people
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enrolled in the studies and now real life data. look at what's happening in israel. they have been able to officially rescind their mask mandate. they actually had a day with zero deaths from covid either yesterday or today. people are who are heavily vaccinated are much safer due to the vaccine. >> i want to go through a couple more medical headlines today. the cdc just issued guidance on vaccinating pregnant women and i know that -- i know a couple pregnant women that got vaccinated but this feels like a seal of approval. >> yeah. absolutely. unfortunately pregnant people were not enrolled in the studies and something to look back on and consider for future studies but we have over 30,000 women vaccinated and entered data in the database and we have not
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seen so far any adverse, any serious adverse i fekt yet. obviously these women will be followed and able to submit more information into that database but we know that even for pregnant people these vaccines are safe and effective and should be recommended for them because we know that they do poorly if they're infected with covid. >> right. donny, we have been talking a lot about this second 50% getting the second half of americans vaccinated and how it will involve not just access but persuasion. you spent your career in the persuasion successfully business why what's that look like persuading the next 50% to take the shot? >> the way it looks is huge step today. the first thing is powerful spokesperson and donald trump has an ear with those people so that's going to move something. i think just as time goes on and word of mouth goes on and going
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to be i think there's a 20%, 30%, just pulling that number out, nutd that's not going to do it. some things there's no convincing. religious conversations, they're tying it to the belief the government is out to get you and all these emotional things that are not rational. so you can't really hit them with rational things so i think we have another 10%, 20% and then we're there. a quick question for the doctor, one thing i'm surprised at is the numbers of deaths are down but in a lot of areas over the last six weeks the cases are not down particularly in michigan they're up. how do you clain that? i was shocked the read that. >> i think that what we are seeing is the vaccines have been able to get to the most vulnerable people so as of today over i think 65% of people over 65 are fully vaccinated and so
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that's the group that we saw the highest number of deaths among and also seeing the variants and they're more infectious and more people are vaccinated and why we see the cases aren't going down but not going up and seeing the effects of people who have been vaccinated and the variants are at play. >> with the utmost importance especially in light of these variants and the continued spread i want to show you something that one of the most prominent figures in that sphere that you talk about, ron johnson said. >> what is the point? if the science tells us that vaccines are 95% effective, so if you have a vaccine, quite honestly, what do you share if you neighbor has one or not? what is it to you? you have got a vaccine and science is telling you it's very, very effective. so why this big push to make
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sure everybody gets the vaccine? >> i'm not a doctor but even i know the answer to that. dr. blackstock, how insidious and counter productive are messages like this? >> incredibly counter productive and very, very unfortunate. i feel like if we got trusted messengers from the populations and communities that have a high level of distrust for the government and science that we could get that 10% to 20% of people over on our side. to get vaccinated. >> donny, maybe donald trump will call his friend ron johnson. i wonder if you can weigh in on the efforts outside of politics. we have brad paisley here yesterday and the sphere of influence vaster than most people in the news and political industry. how much importance would you put on people in sports and
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entertainment and music weigh in and being part of the persuasion endeavors? >> we hear this overuse word now influencer. social media. anybody can influence. i think that clip is weaving back to the first block of the show. the faces of the republican party now and it just -- josh hawley yesterday voting being the one vote saying i don't think we should have an anti-asian hate crime and will vote against that. the biggest faces out there are on such dark sides of the issues that going back to the point of earlier they're not moving. period. >> dangers of disinformation. donny, doctor, thank you so much for spending time with us today up next, a growing number of americans support the renewed push for police reform. but will any legislation make it past the lies and misinformation already coming out?
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the blue wall of silence tumbled in a courtroom in minneapolis when policemen understand that they are committed to the oath rather than to their colleague. that's when we know a breakthrough is coming. that's when we know we can pass the george floyd bill. >> the reverend sharpton there making a push for police reform after former minneapolis officer
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derek chauvin was found guilty of murdering george floyd. on capitol hill there's new momentum for action on police reform with both democrats and republicans senator tim scott signaling that they can bring a bill -- bring together a bill in the coming weeks. the senate's lone black republican member takes center stage to deliver the rebuttal to president biden's address to congress wednesday and the renewed push for reform by democrats and at least one republican tim scott already faces a wall of opposition from the right wing media which is doing the best to sabotage any chance of getting support and head of steam behind reform with disinformation. take a look at just some of what's airing on fox news within hours of each other last night. >> it is going to happen. everybody that's arrested. they're going to sue the officer every time. and then nobody arrested and well they'll succeed in
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defunding and dismantling the police. >> policies are killing people and killing meant people and they're killing them by setting up situations where frankly the fewer police you have the less well trained they are and the more they're intimidated by the media -- >> will be afraid. we have to go. but they're going to be afraid to step in. afraid to do the right thing. >> reverend al sharpton is here and jason johnson is here, politics and journalism professor and a contributor the grio and msnbc. rev, i think we are all used to this stuff being on the air at that network but what surprised me this week is two things. one, the attack against a jury verdict. and two, trying to tie and hobble tim scott who they're going to elevate, it cheapens
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the gesture to elevate him at the party spokesperson for the rebuttal to president biden. >> it really undermines the credibility that tim scott could give a party that is in dire need of a credibility. and to those that maybe on the other side of the issues of criminal justice. they cut his legs from under him with this rhetoric and i assume they continue. but i think what is really important here to look at is they are very blatantly saying that if police are held to accountability they can't do their job because in their view their job is to do whatever they think is necessary and right. we are talking about a jury that found a police officer guilty of murder because he held his knee on the person's neck 9:29.
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talking about a 26-year veteran police officer that claimed she didn't know the difference between a gun and the instrument that she should -- she said she was intending on using. so the problem with that is they're saying that we should in effect live with police can do whatever they want, not be held accountable otherwise we are dealing with some kind of recklessness and i think that that really makes our point when people hear how they want no accountability and you're doing when we lay a 20-year-old young man to rest. i couldn't believe while we were at the cemetery yesterday dealing with the last rites and committing the body of this young man daunte wright that they were doing this kind of rhetoric and shows the american
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people the insensitivity they have and the misunderstanding that serve and protect does not mean don't question me to hold me accountable. there's no job in the country that people are given that kind of no boundaries and policemen should mean that everybody's held accountable. why aren't police held accountable for their actions? >> jason, if you look at the structural support it is minority support of what we just played and starting to look like the gun debate where 85% of americans support background checks and closing the loopholes. put the new approval ratings up. new abc news/"the washington post" poll asked should the country do more to hold police more accountable? black lives matter maintained high support. sometimes even into the 70s.
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this is the sort of radicalization that david brooks writes about in "the new york times" today of the trump base. >> well yeah. and here's the thing. i think this is important for people to understand. just like the gun debate as you said this is a situation where the public wants one thing and a sort of os if ied, crystallized group in congress is refusing to follow what their own constituents say is better way to handle and why i frame this debate about policing in terms of professionalism and rev is right. we wouldn't let other professions operate this way. something i hope that they add to the george floyd policing act is this idea of lie sen sure. a doctor may have a medical license taken. and if a teacher getting in
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trouble for messing around with a student you have to go somewhere else and hide. the idea that we could start finding ways to take the certification from police officers and increase that penalty, say maybe you weren't convicted by a jury for this crime but we think it's unbefitting of an officer. these are the kind of practical changes that the public is in favor of that republican governors like mike dewine pushed for and the republicans in the senate are standing against. >> yeah. jason, i haven't talked to you since -- you were the first person we turned to after the jury news came in about the guilty verdict on all three counts for derek chauvin. what is your view sort of at the end of this week? >> i pretty much feel the same and i think this is hard. and i don't usually -- i don't
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sort of do performtive emotions but the fact that we have another shooting and an individual right now shot ten times after calling police. it's just renewed a sense and belief in the urgency of now and that we can't lose this moment and that we have to make sure that whatever happened with george floyd if there is not policy change that goes with it then there was not as meaningful as it could be. i look at the george floyd policing act extensively. i think it's good policy but similar to background checks for guns. if we say we have to get background checks for guns the mass shooters in atlanta, parkland, colorado background checks wouldn't have stopped them because they didn't have a previous record. there's things in the george floyd policing act that are great and wouldn't have stopped a lot of these police and not stopped derek chauvin from doing what he is doing and need to be
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proactive instead of reactive after violence has already stopped. >> i know you had an extraordinary week in minneapolis for most of it and glad to talk to you at the end of it but if you could weigh in on the policy fight and on the legislative front. where do you see this bill going next? what is its path? >> i think the challenge with this bill will be as tim scott sits with congresswoman bass and with his fellow senator cory booker is where they're going to try to compromise to help scott get some of the republican colleagues to come along with it. and whether or not it ends up diluting it to where it does not represent anything significant. certainly we in the civil rights community do not want to see a bill compromised to the degree that it becomes ineffective. the fact though that in this moment where we have george
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floyd, breonna taylor, the cases in a pandemic, let's recall none of the case that is we talk about including the one jason referred to happened over a year ago but talking about this while we are under lockdown and people watch this and stressed out. if there's no new policy and legislative policy coming out of that we are in effect saying to the people of this country we do not care that this is happened. how did we end jim crow? the civil rights act of 1964 national federal policy didn't end hatred and attitudes but a policy that set a marker there. we need to set that marker with the george floyd justice in policing act and going from there and do a lot more work but if we don't set that marker we are sending a message that many
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when it comes to autism, finding the right words can be tough. finding understanding doesn't have to be. together, we can create a kinder, more inclusive world for the millions of people on the autism spectrum. go to autismspeaks.org ted cruz whose false claims of election fraud likely helped incite the insection at the
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capitol continues to align himself with the most extreme elements of the trump maga movement. "the washington post" reporting that he's been a frequent supporter and backer for group called true texas project whose founders spew racist views like as referring to black people as felons, rapists and looters. to quote from the reporting, a review of true texas project's activities in the social media shows that cruz has continued to embrace the group, even as its nativist rhetoric and divisive tactics have alienated other conservative officials. cruz's father spoke at a meeting of the group at a time when the group's leadership was defending the pro-trump mob on social media. we're back with the rev and jason, and i guess, you know, my question is, jason, what do you do when shame no longer inhibits or deters the most senior and
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prominent figures of one party from their associations with white supremacists? >> you just have to beat them. and this is -- nicole, this is what's always really bothered me about ted cruz from a political standpoint. there are people like josh hawley who i believe have white nationalist sentiments, they believe america is a homeland for white christian people. i don't know that i think ted cruz believes in this stuff. i think ted cruz will do anything to make people like him and as we saw during the texas crisis, even his neighbors don't like him. they released his family's texts. that's the problem. the problem isn't that we have white nationalists in this country. we've always had them. the problem is that we have sort of ambitious politicians who think embracing white nationalism is a cute way to win. we cannot make those people feel better, can't change their mind if you give them universal healthcare. you have to make it financially
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difficult to maintain those white nationalist beliefs and you have to hold them accountable for whenever they break the law and that is the only way to stop them. ted cruz will keep doing this as long as he thinks it's going to help him politically so he has to face consequences at the ballot box and in his pocketbook and anybody else who's associated with him. >> rev, i want to read you ted cruz's response. his office said that he's not aware of every tweet, post, or comment of activists in the state. that's really a nonanswer answer. went on to say, look at his decades-long record. we did. and as jason said, we've also seen what his neighbors thinking of him, not too much. i want to ask you, if you take the domestic terror threats from christopher wray, donald trump's hand-picked head of the fbi, he testified at the threats hearing a couple weeks ago and said the greatest threat to our homeland is domestic violent extremists. the top intelligence official said the same thing.
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there's no dispute about that. and you look at where all that chatter, if you'll borrow a word from the post-9/11 era is, it's all among groups that have known contacts and associations with sitting elected officials in the republican party. what do you do about that from a security perspective? >> that is the extremely important question, because if you have these groups that are clearly within the confines of what we were warned about by wray, and they can deal with public elected officials with no kind of question on these election officials in terms of how could they do it, or how could they identify with it, giving them some sense of legitimacy, even if it's based on the opportunism. then where do we draw the line? and one of the things that bothers me about it is on the other side, we're not giving any of that leeway.
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if i would talk to a black armed extremist group, they would never stop saying that i should not be in the white house and meetings or on msnbc. jason shouldn't be teaching where he's teaching. the standards are different for those of us that are -- considered on the left. don't be black. but they can do anything. these people are dealing with people that outright threaten the lives of people and situations. and they act like it's nothing. if i was dealing with anyone associated closely with me with a black militia group that was suspected of endorsing what these people have endorsed, and all i would say is, i'm not aware of all their tweets, no one would accept that. so, how does ted cruz get away with it? we let him get away with it. >> well, we don't, but jason, i take the point, and i also, you
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know, luke broadwater at the "new york times" wrote a story shortly after the insurrection and it remains the definitive tracking of associations and joint appearances between current house republicans and the exact militia groups who, at the time, were under scrutiny and many of them hadn't been charged yet. they've now racked up many, many charges in this group. they include the proud boys, the oath keepers, the three percenters. how do we sort of not get chilled or intimidated from covering those associations as potentially worthy of a little extra scrutiny while those groups are being considered and investigated and charged, their members, with an attack on the capitol? >> we call them the terrorists that they are, nicole, and we call out the journalists that support terrorism, call out the politicians that support terrorism and then put pressure on businesses and then we put pressure on local organizations. look, it is now -- i've been keeping track of this and tweeting it from time to time. i think we're like 108 or 109
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days from the insurrection. we still don't have any information as to why the panic buttons in ayanna presley's office were destroyed. we don't have information on the members of congress who gave tours to people. that's where this moves beyond journalism into being a responsibility of the government. our federal government, the biden administration, needs to be extra aggressive. if you've caught this many people, if you have this many people who have had charges brought against them, you can't tell me -- we literally know that there were members of the republican party who were interacting with members of the insurrection. we have to catch those people and the biden administration needs to make that a terrorism priority. >> jason johnson, the reverend al sharpton, thank you so much for spending time with us today. it was really important to get to talk to you. i'm grateful. we have some breaking news to tell you about. the cdc has just voted to reinstate that one-shot vaccine, the j&j vaccine. i'm going to bring into our coverage right away nbc news
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correspondent heidi przybyla. >> reporter: hi, nicole, there were a number of options under discussion here, including putting a warning label on this medication -- on this vaccine for women age 50 and under. in the end, they chose not to do that. they're putting this back out as a recommendation for all americans, age 18 and over, nicole. there was a lot of discussion about trying to strike a balance here between making the public aware of this exceedingly rare complication of this blood clotting that we saw in women under the age of 50 and then also maximizing shots in arms, nicole. this is going to be a critical development in getting this johnson & johnson vaccine out back into these underserved areas which is where a lot of states were targeting it before we saw this temporary pause of about a week and a half, nicole, so bottom line, the headline here is that this is a recommendation. fda and cdc still need to bless it, but according to what we
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heard from the cdc director, rochelle walensky, they're very motivated to move pretty quickly on this, so it could be days if not hours that those 10 million doses of johnson & johnson vaccine are back in circulation, nicole. >> wow. big news. heidi przybyla, thank you so much for jumping on the air with us. we're grateful. we'll have more on that in the next hour of "deadline white house," which starts after a very quick break. don't go anywhere. we're just getting started. uickk don't go anywhere. we're just getting started if your dry eye symptoms keep coming back, inflammation in your eye might be to blame. looks like a great day for achy, burning eyes! over-the-counter eye drops typically work by lubricating your eyes and may provide temporary relief. ha! these drops probably won't touch me. xiidra works differently, targeting inflammation that can cause dry eye disease. what is that? xiidra, noooo! it can provide lasting relief. xiidra is the only fda-approved non-steroid treatment specifically for the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease. one drop in each eye, twice a day. don't use if you're allergic to xiidra. common side effects include eye irritation,
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okay. tell me, specifically, just give me a list of the provisions that you object to. >> i object to the provisions that remove access to the right to vote, that shorten the federal runoff period from nine weeks to four weeks, restrict the time that a voter can request and return an absentee ballot application. >> slow down for me because our -- our audio is not real good here. >> get to a precinct and you are in line for four hours and you get to the end of the line and
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you are not there between 5:00 and 7:00 p.m. >> okay, what else? >> you have to start all over again. >> is that everything? >> no, it is not. no, sir. they can now limit their hours, instead of those hours being from 7:00 to 7:00, they're now from 9:00 to 5:00 which may have an effect on voters who cannot vote during business hours during early voting. it limits the -- >> okay, i get the idea. i get the idea. >> but do you? hi again, everyone, it's 5:00 in the east. ask and you shall at least get an answer, senator kennedy, a clarifying moment earlier this week on a hearing on voting rights where senate republicans fought against the very idea is that georgia's new voting restriction law might make it harder for people, especially people of color, to vote. as you saw, stacey abrams has no problem listing the many, many, many, many provisions that make it so. georgia is just one of 47 states considering or passing measures
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that would restrict access to the ballot box. all based on the former guy's big lie of election fraud. as new polling reveals that voters actually want the opposite of what all these bills would do, lots of voters, including republican voters. they want more access, pew research finds that 61% of all americans support automatically registering all eligible citizens to vote. 70% of all americans support allowing people convicted of felonies to vote after they've served their sentences. and 78% support making early in-person voting available for at least two weeks prior to election day. meanwhile, other states are taking notice of the backlash and outcry that has erupted since georgia signed its voter restriction law. texas, which has the highest number of restrictive voting bills under consideration, 49 of them, according to the brennan center for justice, is now trying to ward off any criticism or reactions from corporations. attempting to avoid a scenario, like when the mlb pulled its
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all-star game out of atlanta. "washington post" writes this. on wednesday, republican state representative cain proposed financial penalties against entities that publicly threaten any adverse action against the state in protest against election legislation. "the post" continues, to many of the companies and voting rights advocates, the message is clear. some republicans have no plans to back down and businesses that continue to speak out could face retribution. we can't discuss these measures without reiterating that the motivation behind them is not real. it's fake. even bill barr said so. there was no widespread voter fraud, he said. even chris krebs, who was in charge of election security, said so. even though mitch mcconnell and many, many others, republicans, denounced trump's lies after the insurrection, there are still gop lawmakers in state legislatures all across the country advancing these bills,
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advancing these voter restriction bills, using the big lie, and the pretense of ensuring election security, which isn't a thing. here's briscoe cain during a press conference last month and as you watch, remember texas republicans have offered no evidence of widespread voter fraud. >> we must, of course, snuff out fraud. the idea that voter fraud is a myth has been disproven time and time again. not only is it a duty of the texas legislature to rid ourselves of that, as is said in article vi, section 4 of the texas constitution, but we owe it to people in communities that can be easily taken advantage of. >> new reporting in "the new york times" finds that some of the more than 350 bills under consideration across the country go too far, even for some in the gop. the "times" reports that a modest number of republicans are starting to speak us against some of those measures. from that piece, this gop resistance to certain voting
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legislation reflects an awkward and delicate dance within the party as state lawmakers loyal to former president trump try to please him and his supporters by enacting new voting limits across the country. they're facing pockets of opposition from other republicans who argue that some of the bills go too far or would hurt their own voters. the gop's war on voting rights is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. "washington post" contributing columnist, former congresswoman donna edwards is here. also joining us, pulitzer prize winning columnist for the "washington post," eugene robinson is here and matt miller, former spokesperson for the department of justice is here. all three are msnbc contributors. donna, i start with you. this idea of preemptively threatening to punish companies that don't like voter restriction laws, is that -- is that even legal? >> well, i mean, you know, republicans are so confused, nicole. on the one hand, they want to raise money from corporations, and they want their support for
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various business or other proposals and on the other hand, they want to punish them, penalize them, fine them, maybe next they'll be putting them in jail for supporting the idea that americans want to vote, they should be able to vote, and that corporations are filled with employees who want to be able to participate in the democratic process. and so, it doesn't even actually make sense from a democratic standpoint, little "d" democracy, but it sure doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. so, i'm not really sure where republicans are going on this, but i think briscoe cain got his nomenclature kind of mixed up. voter fraud is the myth, as proven by all of the elected officials and the barr justice department. it really doesn't exist in any meaningful form, certainly not meaningful enough to result in this slew of legislative proposals that are out there.
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>> yeah, and you know, gene, it represents not just a post-truth, post-fact gop, but a post-common sense gop. so, they're telling their voters that an election in which house republicans were roundly re-elected, just about all of them, unfortunately, trump was cheated? so the fraudsters went in and, what, voted for republicans in congress? i mean, they're asking the republicans not just to buy a lie. they're taking it -- a cheap -- instead of saying, we are for voter suppression, come with me, and they'll get there, mark my words, they'll get there, but for now, they're running these bills on the lie that there was fraud. there was no fraud. but they're also asking republican voters, and i guess it's troubling to go along with it, to suspend common sense. >> yeah. but you know, common sense left the building long ago when you talk about the gop. i mean, you know, look, for 20
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years or more, the republican party has, with great precision, been passing laws and instituting regulations that disadvantage democratic constituencies and their ability to vote by limiting the number of polling places in an african-american and latino neighborhood, for example. and engineering voting hours in a certain way and gerrymandering districts. i mean, they've been doing this in a kind of scientific way and they've been kind of pretty successful with it. what they're doing now, as you said, makes absolutely no sense, and it's likely to be counterproductive in two ways. number one, you know, it's so blatant and so blatantly unfounded by, you know, any substance that it is ticking
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people off, and you know, when you look people in the face and say, i'm going to make it harder for you to vote, a lot of people say, oh no, you're not. and you know, become more resolute in their intention to register and to vote and to overcome the obstacles. and number two, they're doing this in ways that will hurt republican constituencies. i'm, you know, republicans at the polls, i'm old enough to remember when absentee voting and early voting and mail-in voting were a republican thing. and helped republican candidates. >> me too. >> more than democrats. and you are too, right? and it's not as if all republicans have stopped voting that way or don't want to vote that way anymore. and so, you're going to make it harder. you're going to disadvantage yourself and likely as much as the democrats. but as i said, no, there's no common sense here. it's all about being trumpier than thou.
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>> matt, to gene's point, i remember when trump started attacking the mail-in vote this summer, the sort of dead and buried campaign operative in me was startled to hear a republican president telling his voters not to vote by mail because as gene said, traditionally, a lot of republican votes came in that way. let me show you stacey abrams answering a question from john cornyn about this and the way it used to be. >> i have said that those laws that were changed in 2021 in response to an increased use by people of color, laws that were put in place by republicans 15 years ago and they were perfectly satisfied with the utility of those laws until they were used successfully by people of color, the intent matters. that is the point of this conversation. that is the point of the jim crow narrative. jim crow did not simply look at the activities. it looked at the intent. it looked at the behaviors, and
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it targeted behaviors that were disproportionately used by people of color. >> ding, ding, ding, the intent matters. the intent of the republican party is to do what stacey abrams just said. these were laws that were put in place by republicans 15 years ago. they were perfect lye satisfied with the utility of those laws until they were used successfully by people of color. that is exactly, perfectly put. >> yeah, that's right. look, the consequences of this, i don't think, we know for the reasons we've talked about. that it can have an impact on republican voters as well. and of course it can drive a turnout. but the intent is very clear. the thing that worries me, though, so much, is not just the effect before the vote is cast or as votes are being cast in a lead-up to election day or on election day, it's the impact of this campaign against voting after votes are cast. in the same way we saw after this last election. i think eugene made a very good point, which is this has been
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the position of the republican party for two decades now, to declare there's rampant voter fraud and to use those declarations to restrict the right to vote and it's been turbo charged since 2013. what donald trump did that was so dangerous, though, was to take that to the extreme, but actually fairly logical conclusion and say, if you believe there's voter fraud, as we have been telling you for several decades, that there is, there is rampant voter fraud, then that means you shouldn't accept the results of this election or of any election that we lose, and i think what we're going to see are two really dangerous consequences. one is, you're going to see attempts, probably successful at some point, by republican elected officials to overturn elections after the fact, maybe by conservative judges. i will continue to think that had there just been one tipping point state, had biden won by one state instead of three and that state was controlled by republicans, you would have seen a legislature try to throw the
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electoral votes and i suspect we'll see that in the future. if republican officials aren't acting, when voters hear over and over again that there is -- that there is fraud, that you can't believe the results of the elections, that they are being stolen from republicans, over and over again, you will get more scenes like you saw in the capitol on january 6th. so i worry not just about the effect on the elections themselves but on the aftermath and the fact that we could see, you know, once again, republican voters outraged because of the poison that continues to be kind of injected into the political bloodstream. >> well, let me just push your scenario a little farther. you had bill barr, no friend of -- i mean, a very, very faithful and subservient attorney general to donald trump, who came out and said, there was nothing. there was no widespread voter fraud, and we have reason to believe he looked, you know, when donald trump said look, he peeked. what do you do when the movement
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is sort of post-judicial, you know? it happens outside the rule of law, matt. >> it has to be people in the republican party that stand up and say, no, and it gets back to this problem we have over and over again, which i do believe there are still good people left in the republican party. the problem is there are very few forces for good in the republican party. there are very few republicans who are willing to stand up when it counts. for example, the 140 republicans we saw in the house who voted to overturn the election results. so, you know, the -- where this will really come to brass tacks, i think, is if you see, again, a republican -- a presidential election that is so close, you know, the 2000 election is a great example. if we see another election that comes down to one state and it's a republican state legislature in that state, what are the odds that they're going to vote to uphold majority rule in that state when you see a party that across the board is so committed to, you know, it has no commitment left to majority
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rule. it is a, i think, a frightening future that we face. >> well, and donna, to that point, i love stacey abrams's answers but the thing that's in the law that puts matt's scenario into play in the most real way is that what the georgia law did, and it is now the law of the land in georgia, it would have taken raffensperger out of the decision making process in some instances. and it would have, in his place, put in place trumpy stooge from the republican-led state legislature. i mean, we are closer than anybody thinks to the scenario matt just described. >> well, we are, and we're actually closer, even in some states like texas and arizona, where there have also been attempts to try to substitute the legislature's judgment for that of elections officials or even the voters, and that's why i think it's really important for democrats in the senate, now that it's been passed in the house, to act on the for the people act, hr1-s1 because it
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would prohibit number of the kinds of things that have been proposed around the states that would effectively make moot the voices of voters. and you know, things like same-day voter registration, voter i.d. laws, making sure that, you know, voters have the ability to participate in the fullest way in elections, and it's important for congress to act on this. these are not things that can wait for another election cycle or another presidential election, because the threats are really just that great. >> well, are you saying the filibuster should be -- the filibuster. we'll have to have a conversation about this. voters don't really care about the filibuster. i mean, donna, are you describing and advocating for changing the way business is done in the senate? >> well, i have long held the belief that we should get rid of
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the anachronistic filibuster, and particularly when it comes to voting rights. i mean, we have a need, for example, to pass the john lewis voting rights act, which would deal with a lot of these suppressive measures and put some measure of accountability in the states. and we can't do that if the filibuster is in place with the obstructionists who want to make sure that they continue the lie instead of getting at the real truth. so, yeah, get rid of the filibuster, but let's do a whole show on that, nicole. >> let's do it. gene, what do you think? >> i agree with donna. i've been anti-filibuster for a long time. the senate now is not the senate of old. it's just a smaller and less efficient version of the house where everybody votes along party lines and republicans in the senate, you know, they agree that they want to win, and they want -- and they want to take power. that's what they agree on, and
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they see voting rights legislation as a threat to that. so, they're not going to vote for it, and the only way it's going to pass is with 51 votes. >> i think as someone who's spent the bulk of my career on campaigns, i have this visceral -- i am so offended by republicans admitting that they can only ever win again if they cheat. and i agree with everything you said, donna. i think that this is worth it. this one is worth it because they are trying to pick their voters. they are trying to change the rules of the game, and it is the biggest tell that with what they got going and who they got selling it, they know they can't win. eugene, donna, you got me all worked up here at the top of the hour. thank you for starting us off. we will do that filibuster hour. matt miller is sticking around. someone will have to explain it to me. matt miller is sticking around. when we return, much more on the breaking news, the cdc panel recommending resuming use of the
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more now on the breaking news we brought you at the end
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of the last hour, an advisory panel of the cdc has recommended lifting the ten-day pause on the johnson & johnson coronavirus vaccine and returning it to service to be used. let's bring in msnbc medical contributor, infectious disease physician and medical director of the special pathogens unit at boston medical center. does this mean that it's safe, or does this mean that the number of people that were harmed was too few to stop using it, or both? >> well, i think a little bit of both, nicole. i think this was the right decision because what think found in this week of delay of pause, there was no additional large missing cases out there that we hadn't seen and in the end, you were looking at 15 cases in almost 8 million doses of johnson & johnson that were distributed and yes the frequency of this increases a little bit in women under 50, it becomes about 7 of these cases of blood clots with bleeding
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risk in about a million in women who are less than 50 but by releasing this vaccine, you're really looking at how much more there is in terms of benefit versus the potential low risk, particularly now that there are identification of the fact that this may occur, providers are on the lookout, and there's education out there for the patients. it's also important, nicole, because it's not just important for the fight here, so we get this vaccine back out into our communities, particularly those that are marginalized, those that may not be able to come back for the second dose but the whole world was looking at seeing how the u.s. regulators were going to look at this because this is a vaccine that's employed in the global fight against covid-19, particularly now while there are so many countries, including india and brazil, that are just seeing uncontrolled outbreaks everywhere. >> i certainly -- hard to read about and watch what's happening in those two spots you mentioned. i want to ask you what happens, typically, on the patient side.
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are patients usually hesitant even after something comes back on the market? does a drug get stigmatized? >> so, i think it has to go with, there's so many drugs, right? many vaccines, nicole, on the market, and many drugs all carry -- many of them carry adverse effects and generally when there's an fda warning, physicians tend to share that when they have that one-on-one exchange and it takes that understanding and conversation and listening to patient to dispel that and i think that's what's going to be needed here. what the decision in front of the fda or rather the committee this morning was, you know, do we make this open to only those who are over 50 or make it open to everybody? and what they found with their analysis is that if you just open it up to only those over 50, you could protect against maybe a couple of these cases of blood clots with bleeding risk, but you're causing hundreds of deaths more with covid-19, and so it didn't make sense from that perspective. they did have a bit of a discussion about whether they should -- when they open this up, should it just be an fda
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warning or should it come with an fda warning and requirement that vaccine sites present all this data to patients, to women under 50, and say that, you know, there are other options. the trouble here is that this shifts the discussion and the decision to patients who may not understand how rare it is and, you know, sites may not have multiple vaccines so you're missing the opportunity of vaccinating somebody who may walk away, so in the end, this decision, opening it to everybody with the warning now allows states and sites to then figure out how they're going to try to get that education out to women in a way that's not necessarily putting them on the spot when they're coming to get the vaccine. >> it also comes at a moment sort of right around this 100-day mark on the biden presidency. they've hit their milestone of 200 million shots. just talk about the overall sort of state of the vaccine effort in this country. where do you think the focus shifts to now? >> i think you've heard it multiple times this week,
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nicole, about the fact that we're potentially going to get through in the next few weeks the people that want to get a vaccine and then it does become a ground game of reaching people who are in the wait and see group. and that's who's really going to make an impact. you know, and the way that we do that is lessons we've learned from vaccinations in other really difficult places. my own experiences, you know, with ebola vaccinations and outbreaks there with an emergency use vaccine. now is the ground game where you sit back, listen to patients and what their concerns are, and you also have to make an effort to educate providers, physicians, pharmacists, everybody to answer those questions as much as they can. you also make it as easy as possible so that those who are working adults and that's who the population we're entering into, really, is the younger population, making it available in all possible convenient places and make it so that employers are letting people out to get vaccinated and the last bit is we have to stay ahead of the misinformation and disinformation, because we need to get our ear to the ground and find out what those things are
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and stay ahead of them so we can get people the good information so they can get vaccinated. but honestly, this is the way we get to the other side of this. >> dr. bhadelia, thank you so much for jumping on early to talk about the breaking news. always great to see you. thank you. when we return, another far-right leader from the riot at the capitol ordered jailed pending trial over fears that he might commit even more political violence. that story's next. that story's next. when you buy this plant at walmart, they can buy more plants from metrolina greenhouses
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one of the biggest investigations in u.s. history is about to get even bigger. the justice department says it now expects to charge least 500 people with taking part in the january 6th capitol insurrection. more than 400 charges have already been filed. and in the high-profile conspiracy case against the proud boys, the far-right group that donald trump infamously told to, quote, stand back and stand by, back in september, a federal judge has ordered a third proud boys leader to be jailed pending trial. one of the main reasons cited in the decision to keep charles donahue locked up? signs that he and other proud boys were ready to commit more acts of violence. politico reports this. they spoke of political violence, of the spirit of 1776, a revolution, of war. judge michael harvey said describing private messages obtained by prosecutors, there's no evidence in the record that the defendant or co-conspirators
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saw january 6th or even the transfer of power to the biden administration as the end of that struggle. in fact, when one associate texted the group that biden's ascension would make their efforts futile, donahue replied, quote, no, it's not. it's never too late. ever. joining our conversation, nbc national security analyst frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence. matt miller is still with us. frank, when you start to read the texts, it all, one, makes a whole lot more sense, and two, sounds clearly premeditated. >> indeed, that's why we're seeing charges of conspiracy. there's a couple of interesting things that are noteworthy about this decision to not permit bail and to hold these guys in custody, and that is, first, interestingly, for anyone who claims that this judge might be politically oriented in his decision making, understand that this was a judge that was appointed by former president
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trump. secondly, this judge had to basically differ with lower court or other federal court judges who had previously been inclined to permit bail pending trial because he was presented with new evidence. what's the new evidence? the evidence is not just that these guys present a clear and present danger, if they were to be let out, and have no intention of stopping the kind of violence that they were engaged in. but also that there's a growing case here. the prosecutors presented new evidence, and nicole, the people i'm speaking to who are in a position to know about where these investigations are headed are using phrases with me like, you haven't seen anything yet. there's more coming. and what they're referring to, when i ask them is two things. the number of people that are about to be charged, as you have said, it's now been conceded that it will be at least 500. but they're also referring to the caliber and magnitude of the cases. you're going to see more conspiracy. you're going to see people called out as leaders. don't be surprised if you see
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this kind of cross-referencing of proud boys and oath keepers in coordination with each other. and maybe even attempts to take both of those organizations down through an enterprise theory of prosecution. >> i'm going to need you to say more about that, but also help us understand what this looks like behind the scenes. is it like a carrie matheson style white board with faces and names and dots and lines? is it further questioning and looking for plea deals of people who have already been charged? is it sinking together their actions and looking at their texts? what does it look like behind the scenes? >> this investigation is being tightly coordinated out of fbi headquarters and department of justice headquarters. the field is still feverishly working. i was surprised to hear that. i thought maybe things had calmed down at the field level, but you talk to people in various far-flung field offices, they are still on it, night and
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day, still identifying people and still looking for these conspiracy charges, these almost rico type racketeering organizational charges and yes, they're working to flip people, flip people upwards and flip people out to talk about the role of political leaders and advisors. >> you know, matt, you know the inner workings of the justice department. just speak to how merrick garland with his history now pretty well known, prosecuting oklahoma city and lisa monaco with a lot of knowledge and expertise on the extremism front. what -- what do you think the tone is from the top about sort of pursuing these investigations that led to this nearly unprecedented attack on the u.s. capitol? >> i suspect that the direction from both of them is the justice department has no higher priority right now than bringing
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everyone to justice who was responsible for this attack. i worked with lisa monaco at the justice department. she comes from a background at the fbi, you know, helped bob mueller kind of restructure the fbi to take on international terrorism after 9/11 and i suspect she, along with merrick garland, is thinking now, not just about how to bring this case but do we look at this type of activity across the board and take on domestic extremism, which clearly is on the rise and shows no sign of abating any time soon. so, i think there are kind of a twofold effort. one, to tell the investigators and prosecutors, bring cases, bring cases with the most serious charges you can justify, and bring them as quickly as you can. and two, let's figure out how we address this from both a law enforcement perspective and a policy perspective going forward. >> and matt, what do you think the sort of guidance is on following these associations with elected officials wherever they may lead? there's been some reporting at about roger stone's association
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with militia members, used them as security. i mentioned "the new york times" reporting about associations between about a half a dozen house republicans and some of these groups in the form of appearances. do you think those ties are under scrutiny? >> i suspect they are being cautiously aggressive, which sounds like an oxymoron. look, i think the direction they will give to people is, you know, let's follow every lead, wherever it goes, and let's not give a pass to anyone just because they're in elected office but we also have to be careful that we're not overly scrutinizing someone because they're in elected office. they shouldn't get any special treatment but they also shouldn't get any worse treatment from the justice department so i think they will want to be careful that no one out in the field takes something too far. you know, you can see people in the same way, you know, well, i'll just say, you will see people sometimes pursue elected officials because they have animus against them and i think they will be very careful to be sure that if anyone pursues a lead against their elected
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official, it's because the evidence justifies that and they'll want to have all the is dotted and ts crossed before they do so. >> frank, i wonder if you can just speak to the ongoing threat that it sounds like was a determinative factor in jailing this one member of the proud boys. what is your sense of the fbi's belief about the ongoing threat from domestic violent extremists who still believe donald trump's big lie? >> i can tell you that with regard to joint terrorism task forces across the country, in every state, sometimes multiple task forces, in every state, it's an all hands on deck situation. they're prepared to surge resources as necessary, and folks who have been the best athletes, the best players against international terrorism on a particular task force or squad are often being flipped over to domestic terrorism to apply those very same skill sets. that's because they believe the threat continues and they believe that that kind of motivation, the inspiration, is still there, not only in the
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form of the former president, but in the form of members of congress who just refuse to back away from the big lie, from the notion that things were not that bad on january 6th. that inspiration is still there. it's not abating. and until, as matt referred to, until there's kind of a whole of government, whole of society approach to counterextremism, this is not just going to get resolved with the law enforcement side of things. >> well, and matt, i asked because the big lie the fueling something we talk about separately and maybe we should stop doing that. the big lie is fueling voter suppression legislation in 47 states. i mean, what is -- what is the work that needs to be done across both parties and everyone in public life to beat back the big lie if it's behind a threat to the homeland and legislation that is rooted in something that isn't even true? >> well, look, i think everyone needs to be very clear in their communications about exactly what's happened and what's true
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and what's not but we also have to be clear-eyed about the fact that there are people, you know, on the republican side of the aisle who are acting in bad faith and are going to continue to lie because it's in their interest to do so and the only way to combat that lie, unfortunately, is not just with the truth but it's with policy changes that we talked about in earlier segment, to pass voting -- to pass a voting reform legislation to make it impossible for people to perpetuate this lie and turn it into actual restrictive rules that make it harder for people to vote. ultimately, you would like to think that the truth is going to win out. but that's not always the case anymore. you're going to have to beat a lie not just with the truth but with actual changes in how government behaves. >> frank figliuzzi, matt miller, an incredibly important conversation. when we return, a wave of good economic news as the biden administration tries to get more americans back to work after the devastation of the past year.
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♪was like any other...♪ our entire economy and our very way of life are threatened by biden's plans to transform our nation and subjugate our communities through the blunt force instrument of federal regulation at a level that you haven't even seen yet. you think that was bad? you haven't seen it yet. if he gets in, you will have a depression, the likes of which you've never seen. your 401(k)s will go to hell and it will be a very, very sad day for this country. if he's elected, the stock market will crash. >> who's going to tell him? more than 100 days into joe biden's presidency, we've seen that that guy was wrong about pretty much everything, especially that stuff. there's no depression. the stock market has not crashed. in fact, president biden is
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riding a wave of good news about the economy that some are calling the biden boom. joining us now, the former mayor of boston, now the secretary of labor, marty walsh. thank you for spending time with us, sir. >> thanks for having me today. >> so, there's a man bites dog aspect to this that not only is the economy recovering and recovering maybe ahead of where you all thought it would, but the fear mongering that may have even harmed the president politically, the opposite has turned out to be the case. how do you sustain that? >> well, i think we sustain it through the first american rescue plan that the president passed through congress a few weeks ago, making important investments in the future of america in response to covid-19. the american jobs plan that he unveiled about three weeks ago now, in working across party lines to try and move that forward, an infrastructure bill that's not a typical
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infrastructure bill that we think of roads and bridges but investments in the cares economy, investments in job training. this economy that we're seeing, you know, isn't as bad as the past -- former president said it was, but there are still people right now in america, people of color and women, that are still very much behind, lagging behind in economic recovery, and the investment in the american jobs plan, the american investment in the american rescue plan is hopefully going to address a lot of those issues. >> and one of the things specifically in that vein is the release of $39 billion to help early childhood educators and child care providers, women, working women, women of color have been shellacked disproportionately, professionally and financially and personally and mentally by the pandemic. talk about a policy process that prioritizes that disparity. >> well, that's important right there, that release of the funds, by the house speaker earlier this week, when you
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think about cities across america, first and foremost, over 2 million women have been pushed out of the workforce for lots of different reasons, and child care is one of them. number two, as we think about reopening the economy and reopening schools, the opportunity for having good child care, those providers have gone out of business or are struggling. as the former mayor of boston, we saw it here, making those investments, and also focusing on a lot of the people that work in that industry that are underpaid and i can't -- that don't make a living wage or minimum wage in a lot of cases and releasing that funding allows us the opportunity to first, reopen schools. now we get a chance to reopen child care around the country. and that's all part of the process as far as moving our economy forward. there's also going to be a focus on women of color and people of color in that industry that have been underpaid for so long. >> do you view the success and strength of the economy right now as we sit here today as
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perhaps a vehicle for getting some republicans to the table? i know the president has said that bipartisan to him is represented by the broad bipartisan support of the covid relief package and even the infrastructure package has broad bipartisan support in the country, but i believe he would love to do something in a bipartisan way, if it's possible. how does the strength of the economy potentially bring some republicans to the table, if at all? >> i think the strength of the economy should be a factor there. i also think the strength of the plan. i mean, when you think about the plan, the investments in that plan, for every city and town all across america, whether it's expanding broadband, whether it's clean drinking water or job training or workforce development. in my conversations during my confirmation process and since then, every single time i talk to a member of congress, democrat or republican, almost every single one, to a person, bring up workforce development and the need for workforce development. they all bring up the importance
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for strengthening our community college system. so, you know, there's lots of good things and i would hope that in this american jobs plan, it's time for us to put politics aside, put the american people up front. this last year has been devastating, as you said earlier, to so earlier, to so many different people, to so many different companies, to so many different cities that we have an opportunity to build back stronger and build back better as president biden often says to how are we strengthening the middle class in our country. infrastructure is a main component with that. i know they put up a plan that we were looking at the other day for strictly the straight up infrastructure bridge, roads and bridges, which is a good way to start. but i do think there is an opportunity here for us to collectively work together. the american people want that. the american people deserve that. and we owe that to the american people, quite honestly. >> are you internally and behind
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closed doors, does the public support for the agenda embolden the policy or is this what president biden ran on and knew what he wanted to do? >> i think that obviously having popular support behind it is very nice to have. but the president believes in his bones that this is so important for the future of our country. and the american rescue plan was in some ways a response to covid. you got ppe, money for unemployment endurance, expanded unemployment benefits. but it is about recovery. it is about moving our economy forward, about moving people forward. so there is a stark difference between both plans. again, i would hope that as we think about this plan, a lot of people in america understand saying, god, i would like to drive on a new road. i would like to have clean drinking water. i would like to have electric grids in my city. i would like to have an opportunity for workforce
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