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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we're grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. >> welcome to "the beat." we have a lot in tonight's program, including my interview with transportation secretary pete buttigieg as joe biden goes big on these new spending plans. plus, all kinds of heat on matt gaetz because this scandal's please tag is already mounting. we begin where the week has been, where everyone in with ang reckoning on police and race and what america may do as derek chauvin awaits his sentencing with reports of potential, and i say potential momentum for police reform in the senate.
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meanwhile, as is so often the case when you live through these stories or you cover them or you keep an eye on them, there are so many reminders of the devastation of the stakes. daunte wright was laid to rest today. mourners gathering in minneapolis, including in a grim overlap members of george floyd's family. wright was killed during a traffic stop just ten days ago. i don't know about you. but a lot has been happening. i can't decide whether that feels like it was longer or shorter. the officer had said she thought her gun was a taser. she has been charged with second-degree manslaughter. what i want you to hear tonight reverend al storpton who is also our colleague delivering this eulogy for wright. >> you thought he was just some kid with air freshener. he was a prince and all of minneapolis has stopped today to honor the prince of brooklyn
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center. >> one said, well, they said they saw some air fresheners in the back of his car. we come today as the air fresheners from minnesota. we trying to get the stench of police brutality out of the atmosphere. we're trying to get the stench of racism out of the atmosphere. we can't breathe in your stinking air no more. >> just a few of those movie moments. this called for a wider change comes as now convicted murderer derek chauvin remains in incarcerated. he's being held in solitary confinement 23 hours a day according to prison officials for his own safety. and we're getting our first real look inside the courtroom's jury process. this was america, so it was open court. we heard the testimony and the evidence if you wanted to. what you don't always know is what's going on with the jurors.
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they have a system where you have the jurors and we have an alternate. we're hearing for the first time today from an alternate juror. she said while she wasn't part of the deliberations, she sat through everything. she had a duty to uphold and she would have found him guilty as well. >> i felt the prosecution made a really good, strong argument. dr. tobin was the one that really did it for me. he explained everything. i understood it down to where he said this is the moment where he lost his life really got to me. >> that really got to her. and if this system ever works and we have discussed the many ways in which it doesn't. but if it ever works, it works by people taking these duties seriously. she says it got to her because apparently she saw george floyd as a human being and thus there is humanity in thinking about the way he was kill and she followed the facts and the
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evidence. the alternate juror talking about what we wouldn't have known from watching on the outside, the experience in that jury box being an alternate jurors and she says at times locking eyes with chauvin. >> you're writing notes and you're looking back and forth at the lawyers and then you are trying to look at the witness. and once in a while you look straight ahead. he was pretty much straight ahead of me. we locked eyes at some point a couple of times throughout the trial. it was a little weird. a little strange. i looked away as soon as i could. >> she also relayed that she just simply could not understand how a call about the potential use of a $20 counter fit ended in this killing which is jury found of murder. it is the same question as so many protesters asked and so many people who watched the video asked as they rallied around what is a movement cattized and escalated after george floyd's killing. meanwhile, there is a political backlash brewing.
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i want to say something here before i get to this next part. you look at a jury in america. they come in in minnesota. 12 of them heard all the evidence and came to a resolution. although we haven't interviewed all the jurors, but statistically it would likely include some trump voters and some republicans. but they did their duty and they followed the facts and the evidence and they came to a unanimous verdict. i say that to you tonight. it may seem evidence. compare that, what regular citizens were at least able to do in this process to what their elected representatives are doing because they're not responding to a unanimous verdict here by saying, okay, let's take stock and let's calmly reason with him. we are witnessing a mounting political backlash from my, not all, but many elected republicans at the state and federal level. "the new york times" has a brand-new story on this. it is a doosie reporting how there is a record number of republican bills that try to protests. that's you. that's your right to speak in protest. republicans in 34 states have
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now introduced 81 bills that basically target protests. they do a host of different things. it is more than double proposals in any other year ever. what is this in response to? well, to what "the washington post" found were 96% peaceful level protests. over months and months during the difficult times of covid and otherwise of blm protests. what are those protesters asking for? rules and enforcement to stop the murder of innocent people. that's our opening tonight. i want to bring in our guest gooen robinson from "the washington post" and the former chief of the seattle chief department, carmen. gene, your thoughts on the above? >> well, you know, first of all about those bills that are being introduced against protests, i wonder how they would stack up in terms of the constitution,
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even with this supreme court. this recognizes a right to free speech and free assembly and, you know, the whole nine yards. that said, it is shocking. yet, we're not shocked. it is shocking that -- that this verdict could end up being such a partisan divide about this verdict. it is -- it is pure tribalism. it is pure running to one's corner stoked by the likes of fox news and the rest of the right wing media ecosystem that is encouraging conservatives and republicans to think that the jury didn't do its job, to think that the jury was smu influenced by protests.
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and that's just a terrible liable against the jury system as i have watched it perform over the years. the one consistent thing has been the jurors actually do try to get it right and they pay attention and they do their best. if you don't believe that about our court system, then you really don't believe in our court system. >> carmen? >> yeah. you're absolutely right. it's kind of astounding the number of legislation that is trying to silence the protesters and squelch the first amendment right to free speech. on the other hand, there is a lot of legislation that is now before electeds to look at having consistent policies and practices and procedures for officers across the board. so these are two juxtaposed
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positions. but i believe people are at a turning point and are looking for reform and that these attempts to squelch, you know, people who want to express their first amendment free speech are not going to go very far. and i will say that i was a law enforcement officer for almost three decades. at no point did i want to oppress people who wanted to peacefully express their first amendment free speech. >> yeah. >> that is the basis for the constitution. i think that it won't go as far as these attempts will show. >> and i can hear you loud and clear literally. so i think viewers can make sense of that. we were losing the video feed a little but we could hear carmen. take a listen to this point that the alternate juror revoked, the power, however grim, of the
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pulmonologist in that testimony. >> the toe of his boot is no longer touching the ground. that means that all of his body weight is being directed down at mr. floyd's neck. >> you can see his eyes. he is conscious. and then you see that he isn't. and that's the moment the life goes out of his body. i remember that day of testimony. gene, let me ask you -- well, go ahead. and then i'll follow up. >> no. i was just going to say about dr. tobin, i really think he was the most effective and impactful expert witness i have ever heard testify in a trial. he was just astoundingly good at communicating what he was trying to get across, including having the jurors, you know, feel their
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own necks and the features of their own anatomy and involving them in that way. it was -- it was really quite something to see and hear. >> yeah. that's -- and that means something coming from you. that's very interesting. it goes to the wider question i did want to ask you, gene, which is we live in a world with tons of information and misinformation. and all the video and digital and imagery and content. and we're all adjusting to it. and it was a video that catalized this trial. lord knows on the internet you have a lot of talk. people say, well, because of their predispositions or the ideology, they have a different view about what the officer did or they're just talking. and everyone has the right to talk. but i'm curious what you think of as we listen to this alternate juror. we don't necessarily know her politics or what view she
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brought in the courtroom and we don't need to. what we know is she seemed to take the evidence seriously to find the facts. she seemed to have a recall of it as a layperson, right? she just did her job. and she recalled that powerful moment. and she recalled the evidence. i wonder what you think about that in a time when facts themselves are under so much restrain? >> well, i think it is really encouraging. and it says something. it says that fact and truth can cut through the noise because after all the jury is the finder of fact in a trial, right? and, so, these are -- they found these to be the facts. and it says to the jurors that they were instructed to pay attention, pay attention to the testimony, pay attention to the
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law. and like most jurors i have ever watched in any trial, they tried their best to do what the judge instructed them to do. and i think that's encouraging. no matter if you may be the wild west on the internet and social media. but it was a search for justice inside that courtroom. and that is -- that's just unambiguously a good thing. >> and that's a fitting point here as we kick off this hour of coverage. gene robinson, always grateful for your unsights. thank you. coming up in 30 seconds, pete buttigieg's debut on "the beat." [typing sound] i had this hundred thousand dollar student debt. two hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars in debt. ah, sofi literally changed my life.
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it was the easiest application process. sofi made it so there's no tradeoff between my dreams and paying student loans. student loans don't have to take over for the rest of your life. thank you for allowing me to get my money right. the united states sets out on the road to cut greenhouse gases in half, in half, by the end of this decade. that's where we're headed as a nation. >> president biden calling for action on climate, jobs, infrastructure. we have a guest at the center of so much of this. pete buttigieg, it is your first time on "the beat" during a very
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busy week. thanks for making the time, sir. >> glad i could be with you. thank you. >> absolutely. let's get into it, mr. secretary. you were saying today that transportation as a sector is the biggest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions. walk us through what your boss, the president, is aiming to do and how you fit into these plans. >> so the president is setting ambitious sights for the united states. but before i even get into that, let's just reflect for a moment on how great it is to see the u.s. leading once more, to see a convening of nations from around the world led by the united states back at the table that we walked away from under the last administration. so it is in that context that the president is challenging all of us to make sure that we meet these goals. as he so often says, this is also the moment when we can put away the old false frame work of climate versus jobs and demonstrate, especially in sectors like transportation where i work, that job creation
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through climate action is the way forward. >> yeah. and you mention where you work. you were right in the thick of this spending battle over infrastructure and many viewers may remember you from your time as a mayor, your time as a candidate. and i'm sure you remember that we heard from a lot of republicans about infrastructure. they say it would be $568 billion. it is a quarter of the biden plan that would double the amount spend on roads or bridges, that piece of it. so mr. secretary, when you see this from the republicans brand-new, what is your response? >> we welcome the fact that the republicans are joining the conversation with specific proposals. of course we're still getting into the specifics, seeing if it's apples to apples. there is a lot of complexity in the math here.
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we believe this is a time to go big and we believe the president's way is the way to do it. but this is a process. to the extent that what looks like a good faith conversation opening up about what the right answer is, let's have that conversation and i'm glad to be digging in with it. >> when they say, well, you guys have just expanded the term "infrastructure" to bring in other things that you like that aren't infrastructure, what do you say to that? >> this might sound funny, but i would say that challenging and expanding the tradition around infrastructure is actually one of the best parts of our tradition around infrastructure. what i mean is if you look back at our history, those would not have been viewed as traditional by the standards of their day. trains weren't traditional until we belt them. right now we're doing bradband
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internet. nobody was talking about that when eisenhower built the interstate highway system. right now you need both. we believe and standby our broad conception of infrastructure. let me also say this. if there are folks on the other side of the aisle and there is a good policy like making it possible for more people to get the help that they need or to build a bradband infrastructure and we don't agree on what to call it, please be for it anyway if we can agree that it's good policy. >> right. >> i want to make sure the focus is on the investments we need to make to ensure americans thrive. >> people know how much this field is evolving. there is something else the biden administration has been doing through the spending bills, which is start big picture. everybody knew you needed some kind of covid package. and then bring in other
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important policies. we reported on that and discussed that regarding child poverty issues in the last spending bill. now it is really interesting to see the biden administration say this is also a chance to address historic documented racial inequities from the past in our infrastructure. meanwhile, the concept has also gotten some backlash. so i wanted to get you on this. here is how some of it is playing out. >> it includes everyone, regardless of your race and your zip code. >> i guess now according to democrats, roads are now racist. >> are we supposed to believe that in america in 2021 zoning laws are racist? >> people who believe highways are racist is going to get tens of billions of dollars as part of this plan. >> you know, i'll do the fact check and then i'll let you handle it. it is not that highways themselves are racist but it ad
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struck a nerve on something that has a lot of history behind it. walk us through what you want to do here and your response, if any, to those kind of critiques. >> yeah. i'm a little bit surprised that they are so surprised. if a highway was built in a certain area designed on that route for the purpose of reinforcing segregation, let's be clear, that's part of how some of those routes got chosen in a lot of cities. or if a highway wound up dividing a neighborhood. or if a highway was set up to replace a certain neighborhood happened to always be black and brown neighborhoods, yes, there is racism physically built into that story. and i don't talk about that in the spirit of trying to make people feel guilty. i talk about it in the spirit of how we've got to fix that this time around so where federal policy divided communities or wrecked neighborhoods, let's use federal policy this time to make it better. let's connect where there was a division. let's invest where there is
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disinvestment because the truth is that's not only the right thing to do for the minortized groups who have been underburdened and underserved but it will make the entire country or community better off. this is what it means to have equity in our transportation policy. i would think it should be something that everybody could get behind. >> and also, we got to get this in, the need for infrastructure has become something of a topic on late night tv, which means some of the convo is breaking through, but take a look. >> today president biden met with a bipartisan group of lawmakers to discuss his $2 trillion plan. the meeting started late because of road closures. >> that's our nbc colleague jimmy fallon. but i give you the last word. >> yeah. i mean, this is our time to make sure that infrastructure is not a punch line in america.
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that's a consequence of the choices we're about to make. so do we want to be embarrassed about it? do we want to be joking about it or do we want to be proud of it? you can tell the contagious pride that the president has in the united states of america. now is a chance to make good on that for a new generation. >> mr. secretary, as mentioned, very busy times for you. we're keeping an eye on all the spending proposals. appreciate you making your beat debut. i hope you come back. >> thanks for having me on. coming up, a special report on a new opening in the fight for real criminal justice reform. it's my special comment later. i hope you will stay for it. but first, boy is it a doosie. matt gaetz trying to raise money amidst the widening sex crime probe. that's next. that's next. we didn't stop at storage or cloud.
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trump ally matt gaetz in full crisis mode. he's trying to drum up campaign donations with a tv ad blitz in his home district. >> big government, big tech, big business, big media, they all breathe a sigh of relief if i were no longer in the congress fighting for you. they lie about me because i tell the truth about them. >> that's a political ad, a long
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ways away from the mid-term elections. but the ad has a plea for money that might make some sense. new campaign filings show gaetz spent over $100,000 a day after the doj broke this probe. after all the people in the world, he chose to hire richard stone for consulting right now. stone had his home raided. was arrested, indicted and convicted in the mueller probe later pardoned by trump. now he's found himself in the cross hairs of a new doj probe because they aleg stone is hiding income and has unpaid taxes. the feds got him recently. the fbi raiding his home, as mentioned. i mean, this is not someone who has been on the better end of federal investigations as of late. this is the footage.
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even in his shirt, roger stone did nothing wrong in that leaked video footage of the raid. now roger stone is the one gaetz turns to for advice about how to avoid getting busted by the doj. gaetz is under investigation for a range of potential allegations, including possible sex trafficking and sex with a minor. as reported, he denies all allegations and has not been charged. we're joined by the state attorney for palm beach county, florida. thanks for coming back. how are you doing? >> i'm doing well, ari. thanks for having me back. >> absolutely. you're a lawyer. i'm a lawyer. anyone can retain the counsel and advice they need. and everyone has a right to counsel. so if roger stone will be a strategic adviser to matt gaetz, i don't deny his right to make that decision. but i ask you as a florida expert, is that a great person to be counseling him right now?
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is it a good idea? >> i don't think so, ari. but, you know, i'm not on his side of the aisle. but when you're matt gaetz, florida man, who do you turn to? another florida man, roger stone who lives in brow ward county. he is at the forefront of the trump play book of deflect and project and raise money the entire time. matt gaetz is not going to be able to use all this stuff by fighting the corporate media and the swum p and all that stuff in a courtroom. but he can use it in the court of public opinion. and his district is ruby red. so this is his way of filling his campaign cough coffers. >> yeah. you make a fair point that if he's only worried about his right flank, the more he can re-cast this politically as a trump and stone situation where the perceptions can be where it
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is all about your friendship with trump and not some other greater malfeasance, maybe that plays politically. roger stone is speaking out. i have interviewed him in the past. we invited him on the program. he was maybe going to come on the program in january. he is invited back if he wants. we haven't spoken to him since the mueller probe, but he has spoken out elsewhere and that's what he's saying. >> he needs to go on offense. this is right upfront in stone's rules. the fake news media are the most vision, malicious, dishonest people that i have ever come across. >> my question to you as a florida attorney here is, what does it matter what the quote, unquote immediate is doing, whether mr. stone is exaggerating or correct or not? what does it matter if there is a real federal legal problem facing greenberg and potentially
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gaetz? >> it doesn't matter in a court of law and federal prosecutors won't care what roger stone says, but this is meant for the consumption of the people in his district and the maga universe around the world. never mind the fact it was an investigation opened under bill barr, not quite the deep state. it is interesting that when gaetz hired his lawyers to defend himself, he hired people with extensive background in the same deep state, the same department of justice that he is decrying. so his defense in the court of public opinion is going to be very different than in the actual criminal court. and the federal prosecutors aren't going to care what he says. this is going to be about what joel greenberg can offer. that's why i think the deadline is so crucial because if they end up with a prosecution agreement with joel greenberg, it makes it much more likely they will charge matt gaetz. if they don't agree with greenberg that he will flip, it
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is less likely he will be charged under sex trafficking laws. >> so your view legally is that in and around may 15th, if there is not an acceleration in the case, that may be good news for gaetz. >> when it comes to the charge of child sex trafficking, i think joel greenberg is essential. he knows where all the bodies are buried. but he has a credibility problem. the feds are not going to want to cut a deal with him unless he can come up with the goods, unless he has cob ration, e-mails, text messages because he has no credibility. i likened him to the joker without the cool makeup. since then i'm pleased to say i watched juaquine phoenix and i think he's a less sympathetic version of the joker without the any facty dance move. >> dave, when do you have time to watch these movies while having a full-time job and doing
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legal analysis on question. >> after "the beat," i do my other research about joker and "dark knight" because i want to be ready with your pop culture questions, ari. >> we will have you on on chai day and you guys can talk all kinds of films because he schools me on that. i will something you said legally, the calendar back on the screen because it is very interesting based on your information. yeah, may 15th is a date to watch legally. and we have been following the case. there has been a lot of disturbing evidence. but in all fairness to mr. gaetz he has not been charged and we'll keep an eye and report if he's never charged and if there is signs the case is going away, we will hit that as well. >> dave, given your local knowledge, we appreciate you flagging the time line here. >> thank you, ari. >> now let me tell you what we're doing next.
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the guilty verdict for the murder of george floyd is renewing calls to pass a reform bill literally named after him. >> as we stand together to make sure that president biden knows we are all gonna walk together to get the george floyd justice in policing accountability act made into law. >> today there are signs of possible change because more americans do agree, and this is
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documented, that this system isn't fair, that the drug war failed in many ways and many americans see how racism endures. but the push to reform america's justice system requires some understanding of how we got this system in the first place. why is it broken? if america is about to try to reform something as big and attractable as our prison system, then you should know where it came from. this modern prison system grew out of a racist jim crow frame work. it grew out of american policing that used a punitive crackdown on inner cities, which is measurably harsher than almost any other countries like the united states, like many democracies. many of these harsh approaches to crime, they were passed by both parties. in the 1990s, then candidate bill clinton cast himself as tough on crime and made a point of flying home to oversee an
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execution. >> i'm just going home. >> going to arkansas? >> yeah. we've got an execution tomorrow. >> then as united states president, clinton led the push for a crime bill that was bipartisan. it was a democratic president with many top democrats pushing it. it passed the president 62-38. now, some liberal democrats in the house and many cbc members did approach that approach. but this isn't some ancient history from long ago. some of the most powerful democrats in office today were there then. and they were for it and they were touting how tough those policies would be. >> the plan is tough. it is fair. it will put police on the street and criminals in jail. >> if you want to do what our
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constituents are pleading with us to do, which is make the streets safe, tough laws on punishment, smart laws on prevention, you will vote for this. >> this bill would have put more police on the street, would have locked up violent offenders, would have given more prison construction money. it is a very well thought out crime bill. >> more cops, more prisons, more physical protection for the people. you must take back the streets. >> clinton, schumer, biden, they were altogether on this plan. and that '94 crime bill funded 100,000 new police officers, plowed $12 billion into the prison industrial complex, cracked down on lesser age cases. now today we hear a push away from overpolicing and those
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lengthy prison sentences. that's what the '94 bill was about. everyone at the time said outloud that it was a super police friendly bill. then senator biden spoke about that at the presidential signing ceremony. >> i have had the total support of every one of the police organizations in this place since i have been a senator. bob scully is the only guy that listened to me. this guy is the best friend the cops are ever going to have. mr. president, you are more conservative than i am on the enforcement side of this legislation. >> they will or a portion of them will become the predators 15 years from now. and, madam president, we have predators on our streets. >> when there was talk among my group that we put less money in for prisons, i got a call. no bill unless there is more money for prisons. >> more money for prisons.
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biden was describing the call from then president clinton. biden called it the biden crime bill as recently as 2015. today as president, joe biden is leading on a very different approach, and it can be a sign of strength to change your mind or change your plans when the results demand it. the factual history remains relevant. while parts of this crime bill have not aged well, other parts have actually proven vital. i'm not here tonight to oversimplify complex multidecade national policy or to try to pick sides. if you watch the beat, you know we try to present evidence, give you the story, you make up your own mind. but in the interest of the whole story in context, joe biden said something very specific over the years about that controversial bill. how it also included the most progressive national legislation ever to specifically confront
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and combat violence against women. that's true. and at that same ceremony where we heard that talk of getting tough and more prison money, you can hear his passion on getting that reform into law. >> i have never been more emotionally committed. i have never been more desire rouse of an outcome than i have been on one aspect of this legislation, and that is the violence against women legislation. >> now, it's the other parts of the '94 bill that made the justice system so harsh. we have seen an explosion of new prisons at the state and federal level every 15 days on average. populations there increasing 15%. the death penalty, the three strike rules over time was overwhelmingly used against minori minorities. that talk of tough treatment for kids in general. it wasn't for kids in general.
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it was used and mostly only applied to young black people in this country. black people under 18. now, it took time. but even those so-called life sentences weren't always life sentences because under pressure and under the results and the evidence that i'm saying we need to know about as we go forward, some of them dissipated because states or judges second guessed why in this rush to be so harsh and to fill the prisons and to fund the prisons why should a drug offense land someone in prison longer than even a murder? >> edward douglas, who was sentenced to life after three drug convictions and was just released -- >> the day that i found out, i just cried. i just cried. i was just overwhelmed. 16 years is a long time to spend in jail. >> that's a long time no matter what. definitely a long time for non-violent drug offenses. and offenders weren't just stuck
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in jails because of what they did. this is fundamental. it was because of also what politicians did. and some of those politicians are retired. others are still in office. some responded to the failures of this system by embracing reform. when i talked about the strength of changing your mind. others are still doubling down on mass incarceration today. many republicans are trying to prevent a debate and vote on this george floyd bill in the senate. it is the strategy for most things pushed by the other party. just block it. while also again when they talk about complexity and evidence, it is worth noting there is one republican senator now stepping out saying it is time to negotiate on some parts of the george floyd act with a veteran cbc leader. >> i am hopeful because the group of people where we have been having just informal discussions are very insere, and it's a bipartisan group.
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and i believe that we want to make something happen. >> i think we are on the verge of wrapping this up in the next week or two depending on how quickly they respond to our suggestions. >> that's a republican talking about his suggestions to what is this main democratic floyd bill, which has key reforms that include something police staunchly oppose right now. among this list of reforms it would eliminate their automatic legal immunity. many leaders think now is the time to seize the momentum from the momentum on that single case and do something with impact to prevent future tragedies. >> say his name! >> george floyd! >> say his name! >> george floyd! >> we are hopeful that today will be the catalyst to turn the pain, the agony, the justice delayed into action. >> today just marks the beginning of a new phase of a long struggle to bring justice
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in america. >> there is no question that struggle is long. now, you can go all the way back to shakes peer for the fundamental truth of what's prologue. america's past is the basis for this system right now and the baseline for these problems. that means slavery, the civil war, the slave codes. that means jim crow. and correctly, we hear a lot about that. but sometimes it's easier to reckon with the ancient past than the living recent past because when i say the past is prologue, it also means our recent living history. a crime bill that many current members of congress backed. a push to jail even non-violent offenders were life. a push to plow money into prisons and brag about who has the tightest unions with police departments. now when you hear about this
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rare window for maybe changing something and they're meeting about their suggestions to improve it, keep your eye on the exact facts. be rightfully skeptical about what we know. what do we know? this is not a system that's worked very well or very transparent. it is under serious pressure now. but its baseline, its resting place, its premise has been to back the police basically no matter what they do. and when it's exposed in public, to basically back state violence to very literally put police and prisons above people. listeners may recall the freedom fighter who said, very simply, 400 years and it's the same philosophy. that's too true too often. and as i mentioned, depending on how you think about it, some people try to take that and use
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thanks for spend intime with us on "the beat." the "reid out" with joy reid is up next. you should keep it locked because she has a one-on-one interview with voting rights activist, stacey abrams. that's next. ♪ ♪ good evening, everyone. we begin with "reidout" tonight what groundhog day quality with what seems like every day in america right now. another funeral, another mother putting her black son to rest, a son taken too early at the hands of a police officer who chose violence. this time it was the funeral of daunte wright, just 20 years old, shot at close range and killed by a veteran police officer in brooklyn center, minnesota, who claimed that she thought she was holding her taser instead of her block pistol. daunte wright, killed during the george floyd trial, whose 1-year-old son will now grow up without his father. his funeral coming just two days after the


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