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no semblance of justice will return to them their loved one but took the moment to call for change hoping that no more families will have to join the most painful club they now share with the families of george floyd, breonna taylor and so many others and in his memory our colleague the reverend sharpton with the eulogy aured up a new rallying cry in this movement or change. >> as i talk closer to the family they said that, well, the real reason they stopped was because his tags had expired. well, i come to minnesota to tell you your tags have expired. your tags of racism has expired. your tags of police brutality
has expired. your tags of white supremacy has expired. your tags are looking at us different than everybody else has expired why your tags have expired! it's time to renew and get some new tags. tags of righteousness. a tags of fairness. tags of treating everybody the same way! tags of no justice, no peace. >> minnesota senator klobuchar spoke at the funeral today taking on the wright family's calls for action and making a promise to grieving families in the critical moment in the fight against racial enjustice to champion the george floyd justice in policing act and fight against systemic racism. >> racism in this country is not isolated. it is systemic. and so, when we ask ourselves
why daunte jr. has to grow up without a dad, when we think about what could possibly fill this hole daunte left in the world we come up empty. instead, we find a much bigger hole where justice should be. so as we remember daunte's life and grieve his death we must repair what's broken in this country and make sure class counts and basketball fans, doting fathers and caring sons remain with us in body as daunte now does in spirit. and we won't rest until justice, true justice is done. >> in fact, another day of mourning for another black american killed by police is hanging over and just might be injecting some momentum into the conversation around legislation on police reform in congress.
that's according to new reporting in "the washington post" which has this. quote, bipartisan talks are picking up speed as president biden prepares to highlight the topic in his address to a joint session of congress next week. much of the activity is unfolding behind the scenes. the result is the sense of movement not seen since the immediate aftermath of floyd's murder last year. republican senator tim scott the lone black senator in the republican party is spearheading the charge on the right. axios reports, quote, senator scott told reporters wednesday he plans to reintroduce his police reform bill or similar proposal the coming weeks and says he is discussed a potential compromise with congresswoman bass and senator booker. but axios warns that previous bills passed have famed to materialize. quote after george floyd's death last summer democrats and republicans introduced two different bills to reform policing, there was significant momentum for action but neither
bill gained enough support to become law and the debate deinvolved and then in the wake of donald trump's presidency an infection of disinformation in the gop and apparent fear of republican lawmakers of alienating elements of trump's base. republicans who hope for compromise might find themselves up against the blockade of far right legislation of 34 states protesting bills and in the weak of chauvin's conviction it read left celebrates chauvin verdict as proof riots work. that is what republican senator tim scott is up against on his own side as he sets out to lead the charge for police reform. and that is where we start today with some of the favorite reporters and friends. the reverend sharpton is here, the host of msnbc's "politics nation," the president of the
national action network and joining us in a minute is eugene daniels, white house reporter and author. and our colleague nbc news correspondent shaquelle brewster. rev, we are so grateful to have you for a few moments why tell us how the family is doing. >> well, obviously, this is a trying day. we are literally in the car headed to the cemetery. and they wanted the world to know that they want to see real change. the george floyd family is here with us. the mother of orlando castill, the familiar of oscar grant, the families that understand this pain. and we want to turn this pain into some real change, some effort to reform policing. and there's not a partisan issue. it is an irs of what policing ought to be said. i said in the eulogy that this
is the first time we saw policemen get on the stand and testify against a fellow officer. so if policemen have began to break down the blue wall of silence, it is time for us the really use this moment to deal with federal legislation on policing like the generation before me dealt with the jim crow laws state by state. they made it federal law with the civil rights law of '64 when i was just a little boy. we need federal law so we don't have to go state by state dealing with police conduct. >> none of these reforms will bring back george floyd or daunte wright and i wonder where that strength to sort of champion for future change comes from, from these families. >> i think that nothing will bring their loved one back. nothing will fill the hole in their heart, but i think the only thing that could give them some strength is the hope that
they can use the memory of their loved one to stop other george floyds from happening and other daunte wrights from happening. and then they feel that they did not suffer and die in vain. that is why i think that they've been committed. most of those parents that have now worked with national action network and i who i am in the capacity of president of is most of those that turn into activists and still with us seven years ago, eric garner lost his life, his mother is on the van guard. all of these that are here have turned into activist and i think they find the strength to say if i'm active i can help another family not have to go through what i went through. >> this week you have been in minneapolis with the family of george floyd. you're now at the funeral there for daunte wright.
so i know you're not in the capacity either for msnbc or working the phones on legislation but i wonder if this moment feels different on the legislation lattive and policy front. >> i do. both senators from the state of minnesota was here. i talked throughout the week with various senators like senator booker and today the president of the national urban league was here and i called for the president that met with us as president-elect virtually to have a white house meeting with leaders of civil rights organizations that he committed to on that to talk about this legislation and the attorney general. it is time in the middle of this, we are dealing with a police case in columbus, ohio. seeing what the facts are there. dealing with a shooting in north carolina. we are dealing with the killing here why daunte. while the jury was getting ready to go out on george floyd. but all of this together it
creates a national crisis that needs to be addressed at this hour and now is not the time. i don't know when it ever will be time. >> reverend al sharpton, thank you so much on a day like today to make time to talk to us. we are really grateful and carried your eulogy and powerful as always. thank you, my friend. shaquelle brewster is on the ground in minneapolis for us as always covering the events. shaq, take me inside. you are there on a different capacity as the rev. you are there covering it. take me inside there today and impossible to separate what happened tuesday from what happened today. talk about the intersection of emotion there in this one small area. >> reporter: what you saw there was part pain and part purpose as this funeral and memorial service went on. you saw the heartbreak of the
family, daunte's mother in tears every time the camera was on her and dealing and struggling with the loss she faces. you heard from the siblings, the six siblings he leaves behind. three brothers, three sisters saw his 2-year-old boy he leaves behind and get a sense and got a heartbreaking sense of the family's pain as we watch this memorial service but just as they were in pain they also had a sense of purpose and you saw that and heard that from the speakers, with the bite that you played from reverend sharpton and as he summarized the eulogy and senator klobuchar on stage talking about systemic racism, from the governor of the state. when you look at the dignitaries there, the guests that were at this memorial, you got a sense that this was the state trying to say, hey, we understand the loss but we want to go forward beyond this. i think that wraps up what we saw this entire week. starting on tuesday with the
verdict, the conviction of derek chauvin. the murder conviction of derek chauvin who is now in a state prison. we saw that yesterday with the department of justice launching that pattern and practice invest against the minneapolis police department why you're getting a sense that people are trying to say what do we do next? how do we move forward from this? beyond the pain and turning that into something of substance and that's what really you got at the memorial service earlier today. >> shaq, stay with us as part of this conversation. i want to bring eugene and mara into the conversation. eugene, as a mother i can never understand the answer the rev gave and the pain and purpose that if i lost a child where the strength comes from to be part of change but there is no doubt that this little sort of signs of life around legislation on capitol hill do not exist in a vacuum separate from these families and their ability to
use the voices at the darkest moments of their lives why can you pull back the curtain on what is happening on capitol hill? >> to that point about being a mother in this time, me and my mother have had extensive conversations about what would happen if she was in this position. so it's a conversation that parents are having with their kids and hard to understand and hard to think about. these parents and families, they take on the -- >> you have to tell me what that conversation sounds like. what is that conversation? >> it sounds like a lot of tears. sounds like me and her coming to terms with what we have always talked about since i was a kid and more likely than my white partner to have an issue with police officers no matter what i'm doing and that is something that weighs heavily on her and all the people in my family and black families around this country and that is something that the leaders in this country have to get in their heads.
right? that it is not just about the legislative fight, not about the protests. it is about the families. when you talk about the legislation that's happening right now you talked about tim scott. he is the kind of spearheader on the right hand side of things here and has great relationships, people like him. will he be able to get this done? the sticking points for republicans, qualified immunity, sue police officers. for him a compromise might be being able to sue police departments. right? there's places there where democrats and republicans can find a place to agree but also the militarization of police departments, getting actual military equipment to police departments, chokehold bans and bans on no-knock warrants that they disagree on coming to police reform. something that is i guess promising for people who really want something to get done is that this white house is very clear that they want to make sure something happens.
vice president kamala harris is actually helped to draft the george floyd justice in policing act. so she has taken on the fight and president biden has talked about how important this is for him because he knows his -- one of the strongest constituency is the black voter and has to and his administration has to get something done whether that's pressing congress to do more or having the justice department like shaq said do these pattern and practice investigations that we didn't really see under the trump administration. >> mara, just listening to shaq's reporting and eugene's personal and sort of scope of his reporting of what's happening on the hill, it cannot be overstated how abrupt the change is from the last attorney general bill barr who on television did not accept or acknowledge or appear at least publicly to believe that systemic racism was a thing. he did not see it and like the
climate frame. right? he did not see it and nothing that the last federal government could do over the last four years to address it and i wonder, it is not a light switch. i've worked in the federal government. you don't just switch it overnight but i wonder whether you feel optimistic now about the changes that the justice department, sort of momentum and possibility -- i call it signs of life on capitol hill and never over until it's over, but what do you make of this moment? >> it is always an uphill battle but there's so many reasons to be hopeful right now. i found myself in the last week thinking so many times about all those voters, especially black voters, that went to the polls and new voters and a whole coalition that went to the polls in november to elect joe biden. this is proof positive that elections matter. it's also a really wonderful anecdote to the cynicism that we
have seen from all parts of the political spectrum in the past four years. it's still an uphill battle. there's no doubt about that. but i do think another reason to be hopeful is that you saw not only in the black community in america but in many other communities including among white americans. a massive outpouring not just of sympathy for these families and george floyd's family, but almost of collective embarrassment i would say, a sense of ownership of i don't want this kind of violence to continue in my name as a citizen of the united states. that coalition is the coalition frankly that elected joe biden and that coalition extends even beyond that to republicans, to others who really see that this is completely out of control, no other civilized nation would allow this to go on and an
overreach by government in the cases of so many police killings. i actually think there's a whole lot of reason for hope and another thing that struck me this past week is listening to george floyd's brothers, he has a lot of brothers. which i didn't realize. but they were so powerful the other day speaking after the verdict and when they talked about their faith it really felt like i was kind of in church in a black church specifically and it was a great reminder of the power of hope and the power of i think the black community which has for generations, right, had to hope in the face of hopelessness and it was such a refreshing thing to see the word of god and the name of god invoked not to talk about stripping people's rights away, whether that's transgender americans or women, but in fact, talking about justice. as an american, as a christian it was really a moment of hope
and the idea now is to turn that into action and to coalition build. it's still going to be difficult but i'm more hopeful than i have been in a long time. >> wow. eugene, shaq did days, weeks, months now of brilliant reporting on the ground and on the ground for us in minneapolis but none so much as the day of the verdict and, shaq, i hope i'm not embarrassing you with saying this but there's an interview with a minneapolis resident, a white man, a young, white man saying he had googled how can i support black lives matter. i think there are a lot of people like that. i wonder if you could just speak to the political power of the broad nature of support for change. >> reporter: is that me or eugene? >> eugene.
any one of you. you gene you go first and then, shaq, you get the last word. >> i watched that interview and it was powerful, makes you tear up because over the last year we watched the protests and all the black people here right now can tell you how many conversations we have had with the white colleagues, friends about what they can do and something that you often hear from activists is that we can't always be explaining. right? like black people can't always be doing the explaining so to hear someone say i googled it, what can i do as a white person to help black lives matter, that gives you hope because it's hard to find that when you're constantly seeing these images and constantly seeing black people being shot by police officers so i think what it does is it provides everyone with a little flicker, more emotional bandwidth because at times it is too heavy. talk to any black person and the
last year is too much and years of that is too much and when it comes to trauma and so it does give you a flicker of hope that because we know that change will happen when the people who are in power get that through their heads and that includes white people on issues of race. right? when white people get to come to the table, really understand what black people have been saying for generations that is when we'll start seeing things so it does start to feel like there's hope out there. >> shaq, last word is yours. >> reporter: very quickly, something that always stuck out with me is since i first got to minneapolis after george floyd's death is how many people went to george floyd's square, that intersection that's still closed off, just to see what was going on and specifically to talk to people who were there. you saw people not only bringing kids but they would try to engage with other people and just say, hey, i want to hear what's going on. what's on your mind? what are you thinking right now?
i think you have through the instances the moments that no one asks for or looking for but you have opportunities. each and every time as the car goes by, sorry, you have the opportunities where people are engaged. they lean in a little bit harder than they did before and that's what you saw the day after the verdict where one thing i would have asked him afterwards if we weren't live is why today? what about the verdict that made you come out and googling it today opposed to when george floyd first died but you have the moments where you don't know what it is or the detail that gets them but you see people leaning in more and you chip away at the bigger problem. >> i'm so grateful for all of you, for your voices, for fielding my questions. thank you so much for starting us off this hour. when we come back, republicans are fighting republicans on police reform as tim scott tries to play a con
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publicly and collectively in the last hour, the anger and grief and moumt is aparentally taken the form of some hope in the senate for bipartisan efforts toward police reform. legislative progress was short lived following george floyd's death last year. republican senator tim scott is expressing confidence of traction this year negotiating with democrats. senator booker and congresswoman bass. but can he gets the colleagues to move on this? top republicans have asked him to speak to the nation on behalf of the republican party following president biden's address to a joint session of congress next week. joining our conversation, democratic congresswoman lee of california, she is the former chair of the congressional black caucus. it is a pleasure to talk to you today. i wonder if i could get your thoughts on all the events of the week and then dive into what's happening up there, the verdict and then today another
family grieving in public and calling for change. >> sure. thank you for having me this afternoon. this is quite remarkable week, a defining moment. not only for the african-american community but for the entire country as a whole. the verdict i believe really opened and cracked the door to accountability, police accountability. but true justice would have been that mr. floyd never would have been killed and countless others so we have to see this as a moment, yes, finally, finally, finally there was some accountability. but we must move forward and we must move forward in a way that will allow for true justice to prevail and we have to get this bill passed. the george floyd justice in policing act. the moment is now. we cannot wait. we must do it and i'm so pleased that play colleague and friend
congresswoman bass, senator scott and senator booker are working day and night to get this done. >> and the bill i like to put up what's in it actually because i think disinformation on the right has confused people. so let me just go through some of the substance of it. it overhauls qualified immunity for police officers. federally bans chokeholds. prehibts no-knock warrants in federal drug cases. outlaws racial proviling. ensures the use of body cams. creates a national registry of police misconduct and limits military grade equipment going to state and local law enforcement agencies. it all sounds very rational. can you tell us what the sticking points are? >> it's all very rational. federally to ban chokeholds? come on. the sticking point, of course, you know there are several but of course qualified immunity,
ending that. so we can say in the law that no one is above the law including police officers. that should be a given. so this is a very thoughtful bill, a very moderate bill. it's a bill that republicans and democrats, myself i have supported it. of course this is the first step. and i'm so happy that the president and vice president harris have come out publicly and said we need to do this. and we need to do it quickly. once again, the core of this issue, of course, is structural racism in the judicial system. but we can minimally what you laid out in terms of what the bill called for, mandate data collection on police encounters, establish a national standard for the operation of police departments. all these are reasonable and should have been put into law decades ago. it would have saved many, many
lives. >> attack on the other side isn't to debate the merits of whether or not police officers should be above the law or not but this onslaught of disinformation and there was a "the washington post" fact check i think that plays into this debate. a finding that 96% of black lives matter protests were peaceful why no damage or police injuries. 96.3% involve no property damage. "the washington post" number. yet you've got folks on the right who are going to be influential and perhaps destructive to tim scott's efforts to come to the table to deal with the substance of this and talking about the riots to pressure the jury. how do you give him some running room to compromise with democrats? >> yes. i think that of course the power is with the people. i think that this disinformation campaign we know happens each
and every time. look at what they did as it relates to january 6 and donald trump has said over and over and over again that joe biden did not -- president biden did not win the election. this is part of the tactics, the strategy. i believe the country, our young people, those protesting with our allies throughout the country in peaceful protest will win because this is a matter of truth, justice and truth always beats out and wins over distortions and lies but it is hard work and we have to work with the young people, with those protesting as well as with senator scott and work continually in a bipartisan way and once again congresswoman bass and senator booker and senator scott are putting this together in a way that i dare people to try to misrepresent
what they're trying to do and when you look at what lies have been told i think people are waking up to the fact that the black community has been under siege. the stress, the anxiety, the un-american policies that have been put forth to try to keep african americans, black and brown people subjugated and those days are over and this is a step to address the systemic and structural racism in the march toward justice. >> congresswoman barbara lee, we are grateful to talk to you today. thank you so much for spending time with us. >> thank you. up next, global leaders thanking president biden today for reasserting the united states back on the world stage after we essentially sat out the last four years from leading on a whole host of issues. today included taking up greater efforts on climate change.
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we healthier, cleaner and fairer for the planet. >> a bold pledge by the president. cutting carbon emissions by half in nine years by the year 2030. the administration bringing 40 world leaders together not just allies but adversaries like russian president vladimir putin. one virtual table. in a show of american leadership on climate it is nothing short of a complete reversal from the former guy that denied the science of clit mat change and politico calling it the world's most interesting zoom meeting and the message that president biden is sending to the world as an official is quote the u.s. is back. let's bring into the conversation peter baker and ben rhodes. both msnbc contributors. ben, you worked i believe on the paris climate accord and ripped
up by the last president. how much damage was done? how much does president biden have to go back and get us out of a hole that we are in? >> well, there were two issues really. one was lost time, that time that the united states wasn't leading on climate or pushing other countries to do more on climate is time that not only did the united states not tack more decisive action but usually takes america pushing countries like india, like china to move more aggressively against climate change and facing no pressure from the united states over the course of the last four years so the climate community tells you that's lost time. i think the second challenge that remains is the rest of the world saw trump pull out of that deal and they look at america saying we are glad you're back at the table, leading but we are would have ried a republican could be elected and pull out again. the legislation is so important
because we're putting a trillion dollars into transitioning the economy no matter what happens we are not turning back. >> peter baker, "the new york times" reports that trump rolled back 112 environmental rules, 30 related to air pollution and emissions and they write this. your paper writes this. what will trump's most profound legacy be? probably climate damage. greenhouse pollution accumulates in the environment and the heat trapping gas emitted will rehman for decades. regardless of changes in policy, the rollbacks of policies come at a critical moment. over past four years, the several of gases in the atmosphere crossed a long feared threshold of concentration and now many of the most damaging effects including rising sea levels and more devastating heat, drought and wildfires are irreversible. anyone that works in cable news and has the privilege of sitting
here when tragedies break out, fires, floods, tsunamis, where does this climate denying permission structure still exist on the right? >> you're right about that in the sense that president trump obviously disputed the science. i remember last year he was out in california during some of the wildfires and briefed by some experts and said i don't believe basically your conclusions, your connections to climate that you are making for the wildfires and an article of faith for him and he called it a hoax for years and made clear he thought it was nothing but liberal alarmism basically. a lot of republicans are agree with him. they are concerned about the economic costs that this could have. one scenario under a 50% cut that president biden outlined tods to force basically the
elimination of the coal plants in the country. that's an impact on a lot of communities. what president biden is trying to do is convince people that there are offsetting advantages. that yes we lose some industries and then build new ones that will provide jobs and provide economic stimulus and that's a sell that he will have a hard time making to those on the right but as ben says if he gets this legislation through congress it will make it a more lasting change. the problem in recent years is the fact that presidents like president obama had to rely and chose to rely on executive order and couldn't bind the country beyond the four or eight years in office. trump did the same thing by reversing it and now going back and ben is correct that countries are saying, well, where will you be in four years? we don't know. there's not a sustained commitment to a u.s. policy that
goes beyond a single presidency. >> so, ben, if you want to pick and respond to anything peter said, make that part one and make part two what this white house is looking at in your estimation from vladimir putin. he was part of this climate summit today. there's a bit of a retreat on the border, the troops leaving the ukrainian border seen as perhaps a test or escalation. facing extreme pressure internationally around the treatment of navalny. where do you think the white house is in assessing vladimir putin today? >> i do want to say peter is correct in the sense of regulations undone on climate but with the conservative supreme court you are more worried about democratic regulations not surviving and why climate action through legislation is so important. on putin, what's interesting is right now you have tense
u.s./russian relations with the health of navalny and the sanctions that this administration put in place that i think were absolutely the right call but throughout the history we have had moments of extreme tension where we were still able to do things together on issues like arms control and you have a biden administration that's confrontational correctly on a host of issues with vladimir putin's conduct and then on climate change or on an issue like the iran nuclear deal and russia is at the table in vienna and participate in a roopetive multilateral effort and china is at the table on climate where we saw frosty relations between the u.s. and china, it's an issue talking to the biden people they believe that no matter how tough the relationship gets we need to
work with china to deal with this and we putt aside the other differences you have and work together as an international community because everybody has something at stake. >> peter, again, i got two for you. it is a return to the sort of multilateralism loosely defined american diplomacy but what do you make of the moves in the last 24 hours? >> two things are going on there. the domestic problems with thousands of russians in the streets with navalny who has been in prison and near death because of a hunger strike and lack of medical care and then the saber rattling on the border. 100,000 troops up here ukraine. every time president putin is in trouble at home he plays the
nationalist card. blames internal dissent on the west and our fault people are on the street. a cia provocation. or uses the patriotic card to say we should be against the common enemy and we see these ukrainians across did border here, that's one area to make a difference. today he did take two actions to pull back from both. one they say they're pulling the troops back in may 1st and just an exercise and made the point and seems like they allowed serious medical examination of navalny and passing that information along to his doctors for a possible course of treatment to reverse that and he stays alive and change the situation drastically internally 'seeing some pullback in the last 24, 48 hours. >> we'll stay on it. peter, ben, thank you both so much if spending time with us.
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nice outside. i was really excited to see that there were bipartisan efforts in advancing this bill in the senate last week, and so i'm hopeful, and i'm hearing that it will get final passage today, and i really think it sends a very strong signal to the country and to the asian-american community that discrimination against asians will not be tolerated. >> that was congresswoman grace meng earlier on this network with our colleague, hallie jackson, speaking about the senate's anti-asian-american hate crimes bill. that passed this afternoon in a vote of 94-1. senator josh hawley was the one and only no vote. the bill, which garnered bipartisan support after some gop amendments and president biden pushing it as a priority for him, will require the justice department to designate an official to review coronavirus-related hate crimes as well as strengthening the reporting of those incidents.
joining our conversation, democratic congressman ted lieu of california. congressman, i'm tempted to start with how could josh hawley vote against it but i'll leave that for everyone's imagination unless you have any thoughts there. is this bill -- is it both policy shifts and sort of a statement that the country is united in defending and protecting and strengthening protections for the asian-american community? >> thank you, nicole, for your question. so, i'm not going to pretend to understand how senator hawley thinks. in terms of the policy shift, i think it is important to have the department of justice really focus their efforts on covid-19 related hate crimes. we saw a stunning spike in hate crimes against asian-americans last year, nearly 150% across major cities, at a time when overall hate crimes were decreasing, and this legislation is bipartisan. i'm on a house judiciary committee. i'm sure that the committee and
also our entire house of representatives will support this legislation as well. and i do commend congresswoman meng and senator hirono and many others who worked on this legislation. >> let me show you something senator schumer said today, placing the blame for some of that uptick squarely on the shoulder of donald trump. let's watch. >> now, we've made great strides since those days, but over the past several years, the forces of hate and bigotry seem to have gained strength. too often encouraged by our former president. it's time for all of us to stand up. by passing this bill, the senate makes its very clear that hate and discrimination against any group has no place in america. bigotry against one is bigotry against all. >> so, i guess my question is, and i remember mike pompeo, his secretary of state, also called it the china flu, even as an ex-president, donald trump in
interviews has called it the china flu. i believe at one point, people on the right had even more derogatory names, and we covered the rancor in our politics and the taint from him as though it happens separate from people's lives, but when you look at the statistics, a third of all asian-americans live in fear. how do you undo the damage that he did? >> so, it was not helpful that the former president used racist phrases like kung flu, and what china did with regards to the coronavirus at the beginning was not acceptable. they misled the world. they suppressed evidence about the virus. at the same time, when you use an ethnic identifier in describing this virus, then some people in america will misinterpret it, and then start causing harm against asian-americans. and so, i urge everyone to simply not use an ethnic identifier in describing this virus because you are increasing risk of hatred towards the asian-american community.
>> what has it been like, just sort of professionally and personally, to both sort of be an elected official as you watch this surge and growing tide of hate crimes targeting asian-americans in this country and to see the change of a president who sees it that way and is intent on being part of the solution in president biden? >> so, what gives me hope is not only did you have the president of the united states give a primetime speech where he talked about the asian-american community. he also issued an executive order to combat hate crimes against asian-americans, and then vice president harris and president biden visited with asian-american leaders in georgia, and in the last few weeks, we've seen a number of rallies across america in support of the asian-american community. these rallies were not massive, but they weren't small either. and so, we're seeing, i believe, the political awakening of the asian-american community and a recognition that it doesn't matter what income level you're in or what job you hold or where you live, you or your parents or
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president has to start making a dent in the 15% to 20% of americans who are resistant or hesitant to being vaccinated. that's according to public polling. axios puts an even finer point on the challenge facing the biden administration with the next 50% of the american public. quote, the u.s. will probably run out of adults who are enthusiastic about getting vaccinated within the next two to four weeks. that's according to kff analysis published yesterday. quote, it appears we are quite close to the tipping point where demand for, rather than supply of vaccines is outpacing -- is our primary challenge, the authors write. federal, state, and local officials will face the challenge of having to figure out how to increase willingness to get vaccinated among those still on the fence, and identify among the 1/5 of adults who have consistently said they would not get vaccinated or would do so only if required. enter president biden's proposal yesterday to incentivize small businesses to have their employees get vaccinated. offering a tax credit that will
reimburse then for any vaccine-related paid time off they provide, as well as organizing the help of super influencers from the world of sports, entertainment, and country music. the race against vaccine hesitancy is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reports and friends. dr. peter hotez is here, founder of the -- dean of the national school of tropical medicine at baylor college. also joining us, david plouffe, former obama campaign manager and phil rucker, "washington post" senior washington correspondent. i want to ask you, david plouffe, while i take some water to clear the frog in my throat, what a national campaign looks like that isn't anymore just about the logistics of plussing up supply, which i think the biden administration can check off their list. they did that. of procuring and sort of really ironing out the defects in the supply chain and accessibility to pharmacies, and now pivoting to a very different effort, which involves something that you have spent your life doing, changing opinions, persuading
people to do something that in these pockets, they may not want to do. >> well, it's such an important question, nicole, for the country, so, the biden administration and all of us, you know, should take credit for the vaccination numbers where they are today. hard to believe that we're already at -- particularly everyone who's gotten one dose, most of those, according to data, will get two, so half the country has been vaccinated but i think this is really -- all the data i've seen in my life in politics and outside of politics suggests the most important conversation to persuade something, to do something they might not do is have a friend or family member. so i think it's really good to see the white house and the media, i think, everybody need to be realistic, we can celebrate where we are, but there's a long way to go, it's going to be really hard. there's a lot of people that are hesitant, because what you want is friends and family members and coworkers and neighbors to be talking to people and encouraging them and saying, i got it. it was fine. i'm happy i got it.
the other thing i think what you're going to see is more colleges and more employers, more entities in the private sector, sporting venues, saying, you need to be vaccinated. so there's different carrots and sticks here, but the most important thing, i think, nicole, is to be realistic about the challenge. getting celebrities out there is super important. voices people trust is super important. but the thing people trust most is people in their own lives, and i think if we raise the stakes of what will happen if we don't reach herd immunity, that will get more american citizens to be banging on their neighbors and banging on their family members to say, you need to get vaccinated if you haven't. >> and phil rucker, this white house is very clear-eyed about what david plouffe just articulated, that the sort of government and the public officials and the trusted doctors who are generous enough to share their time on our air waves may at some point become less persuasive than family members and other spheres of influence and i just want to
read you some notes of what the white house announced today. over at hhs, they're launching the we can do this live series to pair medical experts with prominent influencers. some of the groups participating include kelly ripa, eva longoria, mark cuban, walter kim, the president of the national association of evangelicals, nascar, the nba, the recording academy, and the wnba. talk about sort of the vastness of this campaign and the hopes for what it could achieve. >> yeah, nicole, the biden white house is very clearly trying to take the political sheen off of this campaign. they don't want people like jen psaki or ron klain or the president or the vice president leading this campaign. they want it to be people who don't seem to have a political agenda, folks like david was just saying, out in the community and friends and family, but also celebrities who are not a part of our daily political conversation, and the other thing interesting that
we're seeing biden officials talk about is a focus on tone. they don't want to create an impression that they're belittling people who are hesitant to take the vaccine or making them feel stupid for not wanting to take the vaccine. rather, they want health officials to be open and sympathetic to the concerns that people out there might have about the vaccine. to be ready to answer questions no matter what they are, no matter how silly they might seem to the experts, but to not make people feel bad about having those concerns and then try to meet them in the middle somehow to persuade them to switch sides. they realize they're not going to get to everybody, but they need to try to get to 85% or 90% of the country in order to reach that level of herd immunity that the experts believe is necessary to start turning the page on this pandemic. >> dr. hotez, i want to read first from your new piece that touches some of this. but you're sort of the tip of the spear in going into some of these hesitant voting blocks so i want to get your personal
reflections on that effort as well. but i want to read from your new piece in the "daily beast" first. ultimately, we must find a way to delink anti-vaccine defiance and political allegiance to the gop. and as a medical expert, rather than a political scientist, i don't claim to know all the answers here. but we know that the impact of advocacy and reaching out can be profound. for example, vaccine refusal and hesitancy was also high in black and brown communities across the country, but this has declined significantly according to some polls. talk about how that model can be used on what is really a broader swath and maybe not one we would have predicted on the right. >> yeah, that's absolutely right, nicole, and as pointed out, the bar is really high. we showed early on that we need about 75% of the population to be vaccinated in order to slow transmissible. that was before the b.1.1.7 variant, and the more transmissible the virus is, the
higher percentage you need to vaccinate so we need to get to 80%, 85% of the u.s. population, just about all the adults and adolescents and we're going to have an incredible quality of life once we get there. and then the question is, how do we identify these groups? and last year, we did some studies and others did as well that identified two groups, what were called republicans/trump voters, that was the number one group, and number two were black and brown communities, the african-american community especially, so a number of us went on talk radio shows, podcasts, i reached both groups, and we've been more successful with the african-american community and it was interesting, i was on a podcast -- not a podcast but a zoom call with a church group in richmond, virginia, i was invited by a pediatrician who invited the church and he had the pastor on and before i was talking to the pastor, i said,
polls are saying that vaccine hesitancy in the african-american community is getting better, is that your sense as well? he said, absolutely, things are improving, and i said, what do you attribute it to? he said, part of it are docs like you reaching out, but he offered the other piece was, as a pastor of a black church, they had created an informal network of clergy that had decided they weren't going to allow this, that they made a concerted effort to really bring down these vaccine hesitancy rates and it's -- i think it's working. it's going really well. now the question is, we've got 40% of republicans, so 25% of the u.s. population is -- of the adults are republicans, according to most surveys and of those 40% are vaccine -- are going to refuse vaccines, and those are about four or five different polls from university polls and other groups. so, it's pretty consistent, different methods, all same
results, so how do we chip away at this? this is going to be one of our really daunting problems of how we can reach those groups, so clearly, reaching across the aisle is important. i've been going on conservative news outlets and podcasts whenever possible, but it's tough. you know, there are a lot of issues, a lot of barriers, and this business of defining their political allegiance to the republican party by going up against masks and social distancing and now vaccines, we've got to delink this somehow, and unfortunately, our friends, and the evening anchors at fox news are not helping with this by going on anti-vaccine rants the last couple weeks and targeting me and other scientists, which is what they have been doing. so, we're trying to reach that, i think, it's going to be a really daunting prospect but we have no choice, nicole. we have to make this work. so i'm prepared to do whatever i can to make that happen and i'm sure the biden administration is as well. >> now, look, it's nothing short
of heroic, what you do, and i say this -- this is one of the skeletons in my closet but i spent much of my career crafting messages for republicans, and i wonder, dr. hotez, if there is some messaging around transmissible, you know, be a man, don't spread it. is there some message, if you can't convince people to protect themselves, could you convince them to protect their families and the more vulnerable people in their communities? >> it seems to be more resistance among men than women, and especially, you know, a lot of young, healthy, vigorous men who say they don't need the vaccine, and a lot of that is coming out of messages out of podcasters and various groups, and i say to them, look, this b.1.1.7 variant is not your father's covid-19. it's more transmissible, and we're seeing lots of young people go into the hospital, and yes, it's great that you're keeping yourself in shape and physically fit. i think that's terrific. but that's not the same as virus
neutralizing antibodies that will actually prevent you from getting long haul covid, which is occurring about 30%. so that's the kind of thing i'm trying to do. the other thing that's really interesting, when i have gone on a few of these conservative news outlets, they go right to the mandates, that there's this obsession around vaccine mandates and vaccine passports that's, you know, the national guard's going to hold people down and inject them with covid vaccine. i said, look, right now, we don't even have enough covid vaccine to do those kind of mandates. i say the -- no one's -- and they're kind of what they're doing, on places and times, is they actually create this as a strawman, as kind of a tribal call, better watch out, the mandates are coming, even -- and they were the first to really bring this up before anybody else did. so, there's a certain tribal element to this as far as i can see, and as i say, what do i know, i'm not a political scientist. this is just from my observations that i have been seeing. so, i think trying to defuse
that mandate concept and i say, look, right now, there's only two places where i see a place for mandates. one is the colleges, right? when my youngest son went off to college, and i point out that he studied petroleum engineering and he works in the oil and gas industry and that automatically gets people listening, and i say, look, when he went off to college, he had to get his meningococcal vaccinations so i could see all the colleges mandating that, that works. and they sort of get that. and then i say, the other place are hospitals. nobody wants to go into a hospital knowing that the person taking care of you could be shedding covid-19 virus, shedding the sars coronavirus type 2 so chipping away at that and trying to work, but it's -- it's tough, because now, there are people who have this invested interest in showing
defiance and evidence of defiance and that one is going to be difficult, and i think quoting republican champions and reaching out to certain people, i think, is going to help a lot. >> you know, david plouffe, there's something sort of twisted about what snowflakes republicans are, making up fake mandates for fake requirements for a vaccine that would not only likely save their lives but could potentially stop them from spreading it and hurting somebody else. it speaks to just the deterioration of any adherence to facts and the continued harm that's been done by this sort of culture of lies. >> well, you know, the other piece to this -- sorry. >> i'm sorry, let me bring david plouffe back in. i'm sorry. >> yeah. well, there's no doubt, nicole. there's also the hypocrisy. these fox news personalities, the republican politicians, they've all been vaccinated. right? so, it's kind of historical hypocrisy. but you and i have both been
part of campaigns or other efforts where you're really trying to deliver a message to tough audiences, and you know, sometimes it's mostly message, sometimes it's messengers, it's generally a blend. i think with this last holdout group it is going to be messengers. it's going to be, as i said, people in their towns, friends, neighbors, pastors, but also, i think, people who say -- i think this is what you want to lift up. people who were vaccine hesitancy, who they might have gotten covid or their family member got covid and they said, this is the thing that pushed me over the edge. you could even be a little more diabolical. do they want to live in a country where the only people getting covid are trump voters? doesn't sound so great. and so i think the messengers here are going to be absolutely essential. and i agree, there's not going to be mandates outside of colleges, private sector companies can make their own decisions about their practices, but also raising the stakes, which is we're never going to escape this if we plateau at 70%. we've got to get to that last
80% or 85%. here's the other thing i would say. this is a group of people that you generally know how to reach them. they are consumers of news. they watch fox. they're breitbart, facebook groups, they're not hiding out. that's also useful. these people can be reached. the question is, will they be receptive? and again, i think we should be super creative about messages but i think the messengers are going to be more important than the message. >> david plouffe, dr. peter hotez, thank you so much for starting us off with this conversation. phil rucker is sticking around. when we return, the right-wing disinformation campaign about the capitol riot is turning republicans against one of their own and sparking an increase in threats against all lawmakers. plus the right for racial justice after the chauvin guilty verdict, there's renewed hope for real change but it's running up against the gop's newest war. and later, country superstar brad paisley joins the conversation. he's a star of that new public service announcement we played
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our mission, however, has become more difficult. in the first four months of this year, we've had a 65% increase in threats against members compared to 2020. from 2017 to 2020, there was 119% increase in the total threats and directions of interest against members with the majority of the suspects residing outside of the ncr.
as the nation well knows, the capitol complex is also a target. >> acting capitol police chief yogananda pitman with an alarming report to the senate. threats against members of congress have more than doubled and they have soared in the first four months of this year. more than 100 days after january 6th and the fallout from the deadly capitol insurrection and the big lie perpetrated by donald trump and his allies is reverberating absolutely everywhere, not just in the need to protect members of congress and the capitol complex itself but within a republican party at odds with itself. still, over trump, and the big lie of a stolen election. "new york times" out with a blockbuster piece detailing the rift between maga republicans and one liz cheney, the third highest ranking member of the house gop who voted to impeach trump over his role in the insurrection. cheney refusing to back down from that vote and her comments about trump and at a closed door meeting about her position in
leadership back in february, she said, quote, we cannot become the party of qanon. we cannot become the party of holocaust denial. we cannot become the party of white supremacy. we all watched in horror what happened on january 6th. pro-trump house republicans aired their grievances with cheney. more from that "times" report. ralph norman of south carolina expressed disappointment in her vote, saying, quote, but the other thing that bothers me, liz, is your attitude. you've got a defiant attitude. oh my god. john rutherford of florida accused the chairwoman of not being a, quote, team player. joining our conversation is former republican congressman denver riggleman of virginia who we're so happy to have back. phil rucker still here. congressman, what's so amazing when you read investigative reporting is that it's so much worse than even the horrible picture we think of when we think of today's republican party. and i don't know if anyone other than liz cheney could be the one
woman army against the maga gop. >> you know, first, there's just -- the data is there to say that stop the steal or election integrity is still the number one issue in republican circles by 25 to 30 points. here in virginia, you just saw mike flynn endorse one of the top candidates here, amanda chase, and that's going to help her a lot as she goes forward and when you're talking about liz cheney, i don't know if you know this, but i was a bouncer. i know it's hard to believe now but i was a bouncer back in the day, and i want to make a comparison here. you usually identify somebody in that environment, the guy or the gal who's going to sit next to you in a bar fight. liz cheney's going to be there whether the odds look bad or good. she's going to be the one next to you in a bar fight. i like defiant. i like somebody who thinks truth and facts are the things you need to stand on and i think if you're in that bar fight, looking at the type of people that you have, i think liz would be shoulder to shoulder with me when i was trying to get a bad person out of there. i think the people like matt gaetz, they're going to look for the nearest spring breakers and
go hide behind them. that's the difference. i'll take liz cheney in a bar fight every day and you can have the matt gaetzs and all those individuals and if you have people in congress saying she's defiant or saying, oh my goodness, she wasn't humble enough? the issue is that you had a lot of wrong people standing on the shoulders of stupidity when it came to stop the steal and i think it's ridiculous you have individuals saying she's defiant when she's talking about the constitution and i'll take defiant over boot lickers any day. >> well, and phil rucker, it's so upside down and backwards, and i was on this call with john bolton talking about how trump is losing his grip on the gop, underwater with independents. if the election were held today, he would lose by even more but the subservience and the attacks on liz cheney seem to be intensifying. >> that piece in "the new york times" by robert draper, a
fantastic read, it paints this picture of how even after donald trump left office, no longer the president, the republican party remains the party of trump and not just the party of trump but is built almost entirely around his personal following. there's virtually no difference between liz cheney's views on the issues, her ideology, than the other republicans in congress, and yet they're at war with her simply because she chose not to believe donald trump's lies. and it shows you that even with him out of office, he is the beating heart of the republican party. and he may be unpopular with independents, he probably would lose to biden again as you just said, as the polling would indicate, and yet almost all of those house republicans are in lockstep with him. they've been flocking down to mar-a-lago the last couple of months to kiss the ring, to hold fundraisers with donald trump, and they're going to try to keep at it with liz cheney, simply because trump wants them to. >> it's so weak, but i'm sure that is the right picture that
phil rucker is painting, congressman, and former president bush is out with a book with paintings of immigrants, talking about sort of reluctantly reengaging around the immigration debate, calls out his former -- or his party, still a registered republican, as isolationist, john boehner is unsparing, but i wonder if it needs to be more organized. is there still a fight to be had for the soul of the republican party? from where i sit, it looks like it's been had and we lost. >> i think so. i mean, i've had a difficult time identifying as a republican here in virginia specifically. and you know, some of the story, nicole, when you talk about conspiracy theories, you know the things that happened to me where i was accused of being funded by george soros to change the sexual orientation of children after i had officiated a same-sex wedding and that's when it started for me, seeing the qanon or the conspiracy theories sort of overrun that was happening in the republican party.
and i think we have some confusion out there with some of the goppers. i think they're confused between what service means and what subservience means and i always find it amazing that individuals that are representing a district would rather identify with an individual than their constituents but there's a here, nicole, and i think you mentioned it. did we already lose the war? look at individuals in the republican party who believe maybe 50%, 60%, 70% the election was still stolen and if these individuals are more worried about being elected than the truth, we can take morality out of it. you can take integrity out of it. if they want to get elected, they got to roll with what the republican committees are saying and what the gop constituents are saying and that's what scares me, the disinformation is pervasive, it's very difficult for people like me and people trying to say, listen, please come back to the light here, please come out of the rabbit hole, because what's happening is you have grifters just taking your money and leading you down a wrong path, and i hope that we can get our arms around it right now it doesn't look that great for the gop right now when it comes to those type of individuals.
>> yeah, and i guess, phil rucker, what's so remarkable is after january 6th, it's clear that there is an extremism problem, and it doesn't have its roots in antifa or on the left when it comes to violence perpetuated against the government, at least on january 6th, it all came from people waving trump flags so you tell me where it's coming from. is there anyone who privately has concerns about security, national security, homeland security, and extremism in their own ranks? >> oh, sure. you know, a lot of republican leaders do have those concerns, but they're afraid to talk about them publicly, because of trump. because they don't want to be excommunicated from their own party the way liz cheney and others have been. they don't want to become the next mitt romney, for example. there are a lonely few who have been willing to speak publicly about the real dangers here, not only the subservience to trump but the dangers in terms of these conspiracies, the dangers in this democracy and believing
that an election was rigged when the evidence show it wasn't rigged. the dangers to the capitol on january 6th but also these threats to the lives of these lawmakers, so few of them have the political capital and independence and frankly the guts, the courage to speak the truth that they believe but our reporting shows and you know it too, nicole, that many more of them believe this privately. they just won't say so. >> and it's just pathetic that they call themselves leaders. you know, private fears about true dangers from extremism in their own party and they won't do anything. unbelievable. denver riggleman, it's a pleasure to have you back, my friend. thank you. and phil rucker, always a pleasure to see you. thank you both. when we return, after the chauvin guilty verdict, republicans are now going on the attack against the first amendment itself. that story's next. that story's next. we made usaa insurance for members like kate. a former army medic, made of the flexibility to handle whatever monday has in store and tackle four things at once. so when her car got hit,
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in the most excruciating way while constantly saying he couldn't breathe and begging for intercession from his dead mother. some things you will never get out of your mind. rather than save the verdict that this is the best-case scenario, i prefer to say that it's the least worst case scenario. let's bring into our conversation the staff writer for "the new yorker" and columbia journalism school professor who attended daunte wright's funeral today. also joining us, melissa murray. let me start with you, first, you're there. tell us about today and about your comments about tuesday. quite a week. >> yeah. so, i'm in george floyd square now. i'm in the area where he died last may, but earlier, just an hour or so ago, i was at the funeral for daunte wright, which was really -- it was kind of a whiplash, you know, because there was a great deal of relief and, you know, joy, jubilation, really, at the guilty verdict that came down in the derek
chauvin trial, and then just that quickly, people were kind of whip sawed back into this grieving mode, and the kind of very moving ceremony that was held and a trumpeter did a solo while an artist painted a portrait of him and the family members of other people who have lost -- who have been killed in police violence were there, philando's mother was there. breonna taylor's mother was there. the floyd family, significant representation from the floyd family. descendants or relatives of emmett till were there. so it was just a difficult thing, even as someone who's covered many of these stories, it was a very difficult thing to kind of witness that outpouring of community grief. >> do you feel -- i don't want to use optimistic -- but do you
feel different? do you feel like the ground underneath the debate about policy changes has shifted at all because of the -- because of the community, because of the attention in the wake of tuesday? >> well, i will say this. i think that people feel like they have momentum. you know, it was hard to see -- to not think that from the funeral, the governor, tim walls, was there. the senator, amy klobuchar, was there. the attorney general, keith ellison, was there, and representatives of national civil rights organizations were there. and so -- and they were all on one note talking about the george floyd justice in policing act and saying that has to become law. and so, if there's anything such as kind of having a wind at their back on this issue, then i would say that now is a moment where that's the case. and people here, even in the midst of the verdict, would say that they were cautiously optimistic. they felt like they had gotten a victory, but it's just one victory in a long road and
there's a lot of work to be done. >> melissa, when i saw the attorney general, the current attorney general, merrick garland, addressing the policy changes at d.o.j., and you read some of the, i think, cautiously optimistic is the right word, cautiously optimistic reporting about the legislative process, you know, it's just important to remind people that the george floyd policing act really is not a radical piece of legislation. it has a lot of things in it that have a lot of public support, and i wonder what you think both from a legal perspective and a policy perspective about the importance of just getting that through and starting here. >> i think jelani really hit the nail on the head. the verdict was certainly a catalyst for change, but a lot is going to have to happen in the policy realm, and that needs to happen at both the federal level and the state and local level, and the george floyd justice in policing act is certainly one step but there are many questions about getting this resolved and through the
senate. there are a lot of questions on both sides of the aisle about whether they can come to some kind of reconciliation on questions of qualified immunity. there's considerable discussion of whether chokeholds will continue to be included in the bill as something that is prohibited or whether that will be taken out and it's unclear whether activists on the ground will find the ultimate bill that if it gets passed, is actually satisfying for the reforms that they want, but most importantly, it's worth noting that policing is quintessentially a local and state level enterprise. >> that's right. >> the federal government can certainly encourage states and localities to do better, but ultimately, a lot of the policy reform efforts have to come at the local level. >> melissa, can you speak to this whipsaw -- whiplash, which was the perfect word for it, week, that jelani describes, the verdict tuesday and another tragic public sharing of a family's grief. >> well, i think it made very clear that the verdict on tuesday was a respite but it is
not a reprieve. there are larger questions about policing, about the propriety of certain protocols and whether, in fact, public safety is actually served by the kind of policing that we currently have in the united states, and these are bigger questions that are not going to be resolved by any single piece of litigation in the courts but really, again, will be reformed if they're going to be reformed at the policy level and at the grassroots level. >> you know, jelani, we have covered the voter suppression laws that, you know, it certainly gets our attention when the rare republican will say, oh, you know, these are all built on a lie, and now there's new reporting in "the new york times" this week about the attacks on the rights to assemble. i think 34 states are looking at bills to clamp down on protests. the black lives matter protests were "washington post" analysis has them at 96.3% peaceful. another one has them at 97.3% peaceful. how do you combat republican legislating based on lies?
>> i mean, i think that's the question. and certainly, you know, we, as media, have an obligation here to keep telling the story and to keep pointing out inconsistencies here and to keep revealing the canard of there being problems with the integrity of our ballots, and so, there's been a very successful disinformation and misinformation campaign around these things, but i'll also say that these things are not unrelated. you know, the fact that we can see people have the temerity to pass laws banning public assembly when they did virtually nothing in the face of what happened on january 6th. and that is, in itself, just a kind of highlights the hypocrisy and contradictions that we're looking at here. and one last thing, to melissa's point, this is absolutely a local issue. this is not going to be solved on the federal level. there are 18,000 police departments in this country, and the federal government couldn't
provide oversight for all of them if they wanted to. and so, this is going to quintessentially be a local issue, each small locale and small community. >> jelani cobb and melissa murray, thank you both for spending some time with us today. i'm really grateful to get to talk to both of you, thank you. when we return, that man on your screen right now will be our next guest, country music superstar brad paisley, part of the effort to reach out to those who haven't yet been vaccinated. he'll join us after a short break. don't go anywhere. he'll join us break. don't go anywhere.
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so, when it's your turn to get the vaccine, be a fan. take the shot. >> let's bring into our conversation, grammy award winning country music singer and songwriter, brad paisley. >> thanks for having me, nicole. good to see you. >> what has this year been like for artists and performers and for you at the top of your industry? still without what i would imagine is your favorite thing to do, perform in front of living, breathing humans. >> it's a really difficult time. i mean, we used to joke about no matter what happens in the recorded music industry, they can never take away the experience of live concerts from us, and last year changed that expression. so, it's been a nightmare for anybody that makes their living with a group of people, and i
think it's been an incredible thing to see us within this -- what feels like a long time but really it's a short amount of time to have a light at the end of the tunnel. i'm very, very hopeful. >> yeah. and you're really partnering, not just with the public relations campaign but with the scientists. talk about your investment in helping people trust the vaccine and trying to encourage them to view it as a way to get back to pre-covid life. >> well, look, you know, i have some really, really good friends that make their living and are experts in the field of medicine and science, and watching -- seeing the data that they have sent me and realizing that we have really what's sort of a once in a hundred years opportunity to put something behind us that really could last a lot longer, i feel so, you
know, i feel very passionate about the chance that we have for normalcy again. in talking to them, it's been an amazing thing to watch this rollout and realize that we are headed in the right direction, but we've got to keep going. and anyway, i'm proud that vanderbilt asked me to do this, and i'm proud to stand up and say, listen, i feel very, very good about the opportunity we have medically to beat this thing. >> so, i know vaccine hesitant people in my life, and they're not this hard core anti-vaxzealots. they're just scared and your message seems to be designed to speak to the people that are scared, that group. i don't know if you know anyone in that group but what is your message to them when you see them face-to-face? >> you know, it's an interesting thing, because you're fighting against a lot of posing voices
on something like this, but this is the kind of thing where i am so willing to step out on this limb and say, i believe in this. i really do. i really believe that, you know, just knowing the doctors that i know that i trust about the opportunity that we have and what i would say to people is, you've got to sort of look at the worst case scenario, if we don't do this. if we don't band together and find a way to sort of convince enough of the population to step up, how long is this going to go on? how many people are going to die? and we've got to get mentally back to being able to gather. i have an entire band and crew that are sitting around and have been waiting for this opportunity, and we have that, and we've got this destination of july 4th in mind where we sort of celebrate as a city here in nashville, the fact that, hey, we put this behind us.
and i want us to be able to do that. >> and how damaging to that effort is the current state of our politics on both sides? >> oh, i think that's a big part of it. i mean, at the same time, i don't want to get weighed down worrying about that aspect of it. all i can do is use the voice that i have to sort of advocate for what i think is right. it feels right to me. when i think about my parents, my mother is very high risk. my dad is in his 70s. the fact that they're fully vaccinated now. they were able to go out to dinner for the first time last month with some friends and sit outside. they have been able to get outside with people they haven't seen in a long time. their lives are starting to feel normal again. and i think it's important for all of us to get back to where we're able to sort of look back on this at this time in our
lives as a learning experience, we have to have gotten past the politics of it where we look back and did the right thing. >> well, to that end, your voice is a really important one. i'm sorry my son walked in with a chicken while we were talking. i apologize. he's six here. the joys of anchoring from the basement. >> right, right. >> next segment here we'll tell everyone how we know each other. how is that for a tease? >> let's not do that because they would be embarrassed if they knew how we knew each other. let's leave that as a mystery for the internet to solve. >> perfect. your secret is safe with me. brad will be headlining the nashville celebration. >> great to see you. thank you. when we return, as we do every day, we will remember lives well-lived.
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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we're grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. >> welcome to "the beat." we have a lot in tonight's program, including my interview with transportation secretary pete buttigieg as joe biden goes big on these new spending plans. plus, all kinds of heat on matt gaetz because this scandal's please tag is already mounting. we begin where the week has been, where everyone in with ang reckoning on police and race and what america may do as derek chauvin awaits his sentencing with reports of potential, and i say potential momentum for police re