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thank you. "the beat" can ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. >> hi, nicole. welcome to "the beat" with ari melber. derek chauvin is in prison today as a convicted murderer for taking george floyd's life. that's according to the jury. you are looking at the new
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processing photo as he awaits sentencing. "the new york times" is reporting june 16th will be the next day of judgment, the sentencing day. he faces 40 years, up to 40 years maximum for what the jury determined was a murder, kneeling on george floyd's neck. we can tell you a few more details. chauvin held in solitary confinement right now. that's 23 hours a day in minnesota's only maximum security prison. he's placed in an isolated wing of the prison because of, according to new york times reporting, fears for his safety. he will alone in his cell for all but one hour a day during which he will be allowed to exercise. he will be except away from other prisoners. we can also show you what his prison cell looks like in oak park heights, minnesota. this is the cell where he exists now. he will be monitored by cameras and guards while he is in
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isolation. after the verdict, america saw how this system works. it was really striking. i was watching it, as i imagine many of you were. this was about an hour after this. >> we, the jury, in the above-entitled manner as to count one find the defendant guilty. we, the jury, in the above-entitled matter find the guilty. we, the jury, as to count three, second degree manslaughter, creating an unreasonable risk find the defendant guilty. >> guilty, guilty, guilty. guilty on all charges. this moment is clearly a
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landmark verdict that reverberated across minneapolis, across the state, across the country when the news broke and continued really across the world today. it comes in a context that we have been reporting that you have been living through. years of protests, calls for basic accountable. we witnessed people celebrating, people reacting, all over this nation. this is one verdict in one case involving one person and his family, leaders, reformers and experts are saying there is far more work to be done across the system. >> this verdict brings us a step closer and the fact is we still have work to do. >> the war and the fight is not over. we still have cases to fight. but this gives us the energy to fight on. >> this was accountability, but it's not yet justice. justice for us is saving lives. >> this can be a giant step
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forward in the march toward justice in america. >> found to be a murderer. it is also important what we do today, tomorrow and beyond as a society, together. we're already seeing some steps that are real. attorney general garland announcing a new investigation into the wider conduct of the minneapolis police department. we should note that butt for the brave recording made that video, had there been no video many people would have had to respond to a police report that are often treated as basically the story, that it was a, quote, medical incident. physical resistance was alleged by floyd. but it was that teenager that i mentioned that actually recorded this new murder according to the
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law that changed everything, this renewed push in congress to pass federal policing laws. literally in honor and named for george floyd. it is, let's be clear, an extremely rare occurrence for a police officer to be convicted of murder on the job. we will get into that and why that matters as america deals with this. here it is response to a killing. all of that is very different from trying to finally, maybe, possibly in america build a criminal justice system that starts out equal. i want to welcome now michael steele. he served as lieutenant governor for the rnc and former prosecutor paul butler. good evening to both of you, gentlemen. >> how are you doing, ari? >> i'm all right. michael, i want to start big picture. we just set up what we're all
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going through. the law matters, and it matters most when lives are at stake. but i want to go above the law for a moment. what does it mean as far as justice and yet to know how accurate and rare such justice is? >> i think it turns some corners that we have been trying to turn for generations. when you look at, you know, individuals like a paul butler and others in the legal profession who are grinding through this process as african-americans, recognizing that, you know, they're trying these cases and trying to uphold this system of justice and at the same time watching what happens to individuals in their community, it is frustrating. it is agonizing. and part of what you heard
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yesterday was just like this collective, oh, my god, did that just happen? and because it just -- it's so surreal in a lot of respects for a lot of people, particularly for this generation that is -- that has a very different outlook about our politics, a very different attitude about what this country should be and what it should aspire to and are much more willing to condemn it for its past transgressions. let alone the current transgressions than they were to just go, well, that was history and we're still moving on. and, so, i think this is a significant turning point. and i pray that it is. it is not that i think that it is. i have to pray that it is, too, because this is a great work. this goes to a lot of what, you know, a lot of those who soldiered on before had been trying to get in front of us that this work does not stop. dr. king made it very clear as
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did malcolm x and so many others that the struggle is not just this moment. it is what future generations will have to be prepared to engage in as well. this generation has figured out a way to turn that lock, open that door, get inside the room and mess things up a bit. and that's a good thing. that's a good thing. >> paul? >> i agree with michael. it's good trouble. in the eyes of the law, derek chauvin is a murderer. it's official. that's what our eyes told us, and now that's what the jury has found. and it should have been obvious based on the overwhelming evidence. but in other cases, what's obvious is different than what the jury finds. so trials aren't about social change. they're about accountability and bringing people who cause harm to justice.
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one police officer has been held accountable. and the law has recognized that one black man's life mattered. now the challenge is to move from the rare occasional victories to equal justice under the law being imbedded in policing and in the criminal legal system. >> yeah. i really appreciate what both of you are guiding us towards. and we divided up the opening of the conversation for this very reason. there is the case and there is policy. i want to remind everyone george floyd's now murderer on tape was the spark for a national movement that was about so much more than a single case, this police accountability reform we're mentioning. the house has passed a george floyd act. they rushed to pass it. but no action in the senate. now, the bill does important
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things according to reformers, include completely reforming the qualified immunity that could protect officers. enhancing pattern and practice probes. creates a national police regular industry. this hasn't been collectively tracked, which is a huge issue, and tries to ban and restricts most controversial restrictions like no knock warrants and choke holds. the biden administration this week right now grabbing the ball and saying this is important. now is the time to act. >> george floyd was murdered almost a year ago. there is meaningful police reform legislation in his name. >> the george floyd justice in policing act is part of george floyd's legacy. the president and i will continue to urge the senate to pass this legislation. >> it shouldn't take a whole year to get this done. >> michael, it sits in a divided
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senate where virtually everything is subjected to mitch mcconnell's super majority demands. what is the way forward there? >> well, it is a tough way forward because, you know, look at everything else that sat in the senate over the last 13 years. i mean, it is not just what we see with this legislation. it goes back to the renewal of the civil rights act, the voting rights act which sat in the drawer of the majority leader at that time. so the reality of it is, you know, what the vice president said and certainly what the president has emphasized about it shouldn't take that long, well, it does. and it means for us acid sevens that we'll have to continue to bend that ark towards justice. we do that by our voices. we do that by our vote. we do that by our actions. and, you know, look, my point is for republicans, just get off
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the dime on this. you are on the wrong side of history here. this is going to move. these changes are coming. and you will either go down in history as the quintessential obstructionist to the change, which is to ant thet cal to what our history was and how we started out as a national party to now see us all this time led us through all those struggles. and the bravery of great men and women. if you think you're going to go out and talk to america about how much you want, you know, these types of changes that support the rights of individuals, well, let's start with this. let's start with the rights of protecting communities from
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abuse by government authorities. let's start with, you know, locking in the vote for these communities. let's do the basic things consistent with our constitution. that's where the work is going to be. that's where the change is coming. as i have said before, i think that you are either going to get onboard or get rolled over by it. there it is. where the people are going. the good trouble that have pushed harder and faster aren't putting up with as much. and what is clearly a young and multiracial collaboration, maybe we need to really listen hard to them and in the future. a fitting way to begin our program tonight. thanks to both of you. we have our shortest break which is coming up. 30 seconds. new report linking matt gaetz to roger stone. we'll get into that.
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but first a special report on dealing with the police blue wall of silence and a special guest when we're back in 30 seconds. l guest when we're back in 30 seconds. over the past 26 hours, americans have been taking in a rare occurrence in this nation. a police officer convicted of murder on the job. how rare?
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from 2005 to about 2015, a period including thousands of police killings, believe your eyes as you look at the screen. the number of police officers convicted of murder for shooting a person over all of those years altogether was zero. i can report for you that from 2016 on, this were one or two such convictions a year for police shooting deaths. and now this year we have the first such murder conviction of 2021, which is correctly seen as a rare development. big front page news, a possible turning point. why was this case different than so many that came before it? well, there is several reasons, including the damning video evidence. but right now we turn to one important factor in our special report right now. how police testimony help lead to chauvin's conviction. prosecutors called eight witnesses from the minneapolis
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police department and chauvin's own boss for mounting factual documented incriminating testimony against fellow former officer chauvin. with police experts flatly stating the force he used was excessive and chauvin should have ended that neck restraint long before killing george floyd. >> when mr. floyd was no longer offering up any resistance to the officers, they could have ended their restraint. >> and that was after he was handcuffed and on the ground and no longer resistant? >> correct. >> >> the jury also heard from the longest serving member of the minneapolis police department. >> what is your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> what do you mean? >> well, first of all, pulling
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him down to the ground facedown and putting your knee on a neck for that amount of time is just uncalled for. i saw no reason why the officers felt they were in danger. >> that was legally pivotal because any juror may wonder what supports a reasonable doubt. what is the reasonable doubt for second guessing whether an officer used too much force in an unfolding incident or emergency. in this trial the answer came from multiple officers saying under oath this was not a force call. the force was totally unnecessary. and the answer also came from perhaps the most important witness, the police chief who fired chauvin and the other three officers within a day of the killing and deemed it a murder last year. >> once there was no longer any
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resistance and clearly when mr. floyd was no longer responsive and even motionless to continue to apply that level of force that in no way, shape or form is anything that is by policy. it is not part of our training. and it is certainly not part of our ethics or our values. >> this is really important prosecutors invoked that view in their closing arguments. that's the last thing the jury hears before going to deliberate and here finding chauvin a murder. they gave basically jurors who might be sympathetic to police a very critical legal and ethical frame work for this. and i want to walk you through it tonight. these prosecutors had a blueprint. they presented the jury with a way to really think about this, that chauvin was a criminal hiding out in uniform.
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that his senseless, avoidable murder of george floyd is the very opposite of what policing should be and urging the jurors to view their potential action, what they were going to go deliberate on, convicting him as a murderer, that doing that itself would be pro police. >> the chief of police, the minneapolis police department, he testified and took the stand and he told you what that badge that he wears over his heart means. it's a public service. this is not an anti-police prosecution. it is a pro police prosecution. the defendant abandoned his values, abandoned the training and killed a man. >> get off that one. now, the jury's answer on this was for no reason at all.
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they convicted chauvin as a murderer. what reformers see as one positive sign before this trial began. 14 officers publically condemned his actions back in june. that should be a low bar. police should be against murder on tape whether done by civilians or police. just like doctors should be against malpractice in surgery that hurts a patient even if done by a fellow doctor. but many police departments have strict codes of silence for other officers, even those accused of extreme misconduct or silence. it is often called the blue wall of silence. it can be a legal barrier for prosecutors. it is also very hypocritical considering that police routinely demand and pressure other people to talk and testify to court against the suspect's they catch. now, i mention tonighted several factors led to this conviction.
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but we have seen damning video footage before. like an officer caught on tape shooting an unarmed man in the black while he fled. walter scott gunned down. caught trying to frame that crime scene. now, there was police testimony in that case, too. four officers talked. but all on former officer slater's behalf, testifying for his defense to murder. and the jury could not agree to the charges leading to a mistrial. the police officers also made a show of public support in a unanimous jury verdict acquitted for killing fernando kas till. another minnesota officer indict ed benefitted from this blue wall. a reported 20 different police
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officers refuse to talk to investigators at all to provide facts, cooperation, evidence. so that case had a much higher hurdle. although, that was actually one of those rare convictions i mentioned. now, take it altogether tonight. i'm talking about this tonight at this juncture because it's so important. what does it all mean? is this blue wall eroding? i can't report the answer on that for you tonight. i can't. the reason is simple. we don't know. we don't know if one extremely gruesome case is an outlier or a sign of a new pattern on the way. and if police do start cooperating with these investigations, does that mean we have some big win for justice or civil rights or black people in america? let me level with you tonight.
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no. because that's the bare minimum of what police are supposed to do, what they're paid to do, what they swore on oath to do. let me level with you tonight. it says a lot about how routine state violence and systemic racism is in america that all this happens out in the open, in open court, on tv and that in 2021 we are counting up these rare, isolated cases that almost never happen where law enforcement cooperating with law enforcement to enforce the law in a murder case. so i want to urge everyone if you are within the sound of my voice, we have to keep our minds on the facts. we need facts right now. and the fact is it is a national scar and outrage and embarrassment that it takes this
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much to reach a factual outcome based on the evidence in cases that involve the state taking of black lives, the killing of black lives. the state showing the gory detail why so often to the state black lives don't matter. now, in past years, that movement was often described as somehow a very liberal or militant or radical movement. well, that's misleading. there is also a tell if you hear people talk about it that way. let's deal in facts. there is nothing against murder. of course it is about more than one thing, but it focuses on and continues to cattize around something fundamental. if you listen to its numbers in this movement and its leaders, you will hear it. it is not complicated. they are demanding the state
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stop murdering black people. let me repeat. they demand the state stop murdering black people and other innocent people. and that means the arm of the state, the police, need to stop doing it. when it does happen, if it does happen, that means other police need to do the bare minimum of their jobs, enforce the law and cooperate with the law and be against murder. i'm putting it bluntly because it needs to be clear, especially at a moment in time like this. so what we have here, this time in this single case is that more police than usual in america did do that, which is, of course, all they're supposed to do. >> the defendant violated our policy. >> would this be authorized? >> i would say no. >> they could have ended the restraint. >> what is your -- you know, your view of that use of force during that time frame?
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>> totally unnecessary. >> i'm joined by the director of the black law enforcement alliance and has worked tirelessly on so many of these issues. thanks for being here for this discussion tonight. >> thank you, ari. >> your thoughts about this? >> significant points. your monologue was very moving, to be honest with you. just to answer some questions that you posed during the course of it in regards specifically to the blue wall of silence. i don't believe that what occurred during the course of the chauvin trial will have significant impact on what is called the blue wall of silence and mainly because it is part -- it is just a component of a larger, toxic police culture that is stubborn and resilient and really entrenched and that
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supports the us against them mentality that police officers too often have, which gives police officers, a lot of police officers believe that there are the constants. so that blue wall of silence, though it was significantly damaged largely because of the leadership of chief aaron dondo, and i don't think that could be overstated, had the head of this department not assumed the stance from the very beginning, had he been not -- had he not been as open and honest and forthright, if he hadn't taken the steps to terminate the officers involved, had he not rejected the labor union, the police union there in minneapolis, his underlings would have been less likely to have been as cooperative as they were. he set the tone. and hopefully that would
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resonate throughout the nation. but it is unlikely because we're dealing with, you know, a multiheaded beast called toxic police culture. >> appreciate your candor on that. and you speak from experience. what happens inside these departments when even what would be called a very damaged case for example one where there is video evidence where there is not just a quote, unquote, contested or debated incident. what would be the retaliation or the things that officers fear by speaking out? >> well, a good example and something that was just recently rectified was the situation of a police officer from upstate new york who took the responsible action in court in progress defending an individual who was being assaulted by her colleagues. she was a police officer. she ended up getting terminated, et cetera. she finally just recently, you know, got her pension, her
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benefits back through the time that she's been out. but the reality of it is when you operate in a toxic culture and there is criminality as part of this culture and you are in close proximity to it, you are then exposed to it and you're exposed to a ranger that comes along with it. so if they take the principals of position on issues involved in criminality or excessive brutality or police violence, they will be at the very least ostracized and not supported. at the worst case scenario could be much more dangerous for them personally or physically. so that's what we are facing. but let's be clear about something. i have always said this police work is -- you are not a victim. you get paid to do a particular job. and you come in with certain
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standards that you should have, a certain level of integrity and honesty, certain abilities and desire to help people and you should maintain those even in the face of the most dangerous or potentially dangerous circumstances. you can't let the job and the toxicity of it lessen your moral standards. you just can't let that happen. >> understood. i hope people are hearing your words tonight. thank you. we have a lot more in the program, including the teenager who changed everything by bravely taking that video of the floyd killing. many say she changed everything with her work and her testimony. we have more on that later in the program. but coming up, new documents show that trump ally congressman gaetz is in crisis mode and linking up with a former convicted trump aid. that's next. ext.
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republican matt gaetz scrambling about new revelations. and now roger stone involved. gaetz paying $5,000 to brake ventures, one week before "the new york times" broke news of the probe. this is the same that stone was using to hide income. now, roger stone was already
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convicted in the federal mueller probe. he even had his home raided infamously. that led to his former client, donald trump, pardoning him and accepting that pardon is really an admission of group. now the doj is turning for what he calls this counselor of advice to, of all people, roger stone who was busted in a doj probe. you can't make this up. gaetz and stone are both known as colorful florida characters. they certainly swam together in the trump years. >> joining me now is one of the most impressive young, hard charging conservatives in the u.s. congress, matt gaetz. >> it's good to be on with you, roger. >> do you think trump should pardon roger stone? >> i do. and i think that it requires -- >> congressman, come on. >> matt gaetz shows tremendous
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promise. >> gaetz under investigation in this doj sex crimes probe. he denies all wrongdoing and he has not been charged. we are joined by michelle goldberg. michelle, look, a lot of important things going on. this is a probe that involves serious issues, obviously, because the doj already indicted someone on very serious charges. but the copyrights themselves, why do you turn to roger stone of all people? >> well, look, these are two very similar characters. what i am most curious to know in the daily beast article hints at this is what, if anything, roger stone had to do with gaetz's defense that this is all parts of extortion plot and, you know, that he -- you know, there was this whole for a while subplot about these fraudsters that were trying to get him to give them $25 million to free an
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iranian hostage. a lot of people wondered why gaetz was going on tv to talk about this to say that these people say that they have compromising photos of gaetz. why would you go on television and say that someone is trying to blackmail you with compromising photos? i mean, all of this seems pretty in line with stone's m.o., which is, you know, to attack, distract, you know, kind of evermore lurid explanations, you know, roger stone has been out there directing people to buy matt gaetz did nothing wrong t-shirts. people at one point were wearing roger stone did nothing wrong t-shirts. so, you know, matt gaetz is, as always been, a sort of low rent donald trump imitator. it is not surprising he would
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turn to donald trump's one-time adviser. >> yeah. i mean, we're getting into a russian nesting dolls level. if there is trump and stone and trump is stone's mini me and you are positing that gaetz is stone's mini me and we are getting further and further down, the strategic question is, look, you can say that roger stone ultimately did evade prison and accountability there because his ace in the hole was that his former client did pardon him. but is any of that republicable for matt gaetz with trump out of office? >> of course not. roger stone has been going around saying this. matt gaetz is essentially heir to donald trump, that he's the likely presidential prospect if donald trump doesn't run in 2024. matt gaetz does haven't donald trump's very corrupt or very
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political skills and base. but he also just doesn't have power. he doesn't have the kind of power, right? and so i think a lot of what matt gaetz did and you see the sloppiness, the open venmo transactions that he was paying his friend greenberg that's now come under scrutiny as part of the sex trafficking probe. you have to think that he thought that he was playing by a set of rules that republicans learned when trump was in office and they enjoyed this level of impu impunity. and now suddenly trump is no longer in office and those rules no longer apply. >> yeah. i think you hit the nail in the head there. that's why it almost feels like a pattern or habit. oh, go to the trump guy and pay him and go on offense, quote, unquote. but going on offense on a witch hunt when you have attorney general barr kneecapping the investigations is very different than when you're just out in the
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cold. michelle, thanks for being here. >> even in this particular case, even barr was behind the investigation, right? that's how bad the set of facts is for matt gaetz. >> yeah, that's a great point. it was even worse, you could say. when we come back, a special guest in the battle against much mcconnell in the senate and why he's teaming up with aoc on a big new idea when we come back. k so you only pay for what you need. thank you! hey, hey, no, no limu, no limu! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i'm susan and i'm 52 and i live in san francisco, california. i have been a sales and sales management professional
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inequality, housing, education, jobs and climate change. it is all intertwined. >> it is going to be an all hands on deck approach and we refuse to leave any community behind. >> we have the moral obligation to do it. and we will do it this year. >> you hear it there. senator ed markey and aoc pushing the green new deal ahead
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of president biden's earth day climate summit. lord knows there is a lot going on. but if you are a leader or policymaker, got to do more than one thing. this is a big issue. thanks for joining me. >> great to be with you, ari. thank you. >> i see you have the earth behind you. i mean, we're on the earth, but you also have the earth behind you. very on point. walk us through why you think you have any kind of shot at moving it now? >> well, we have the world coming together this week and president biden is going to make a very ambitious promise to the rest of the world that we will reduce our greenhouse gases by 50% by the year 2030. but then we need action in congress. we need -- we need there to be legislation that is put on joe biden's desk that is concrete in its goals and in its ambition. so when alexandria to kas you
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cortez and i introduced it, it was about jobs, millions of them, union jobs and justice, environmental justice for all those communities which have been adversely affected. and our goal ultimately is to have 50% go to those communities that have been harmed most severely over the years and have 50% of the jobs going to those communities as well. so that was what we did in introducing the green new deal. aoc and i introduced it yesterday in order to, again, continue to lift the gaze of our country to the constellation of possibilities of wind and solar and electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids and battery technologies and all of these incredible technologies that have been blocked by politics and to do it with justice. so that's the moment in time and congress must respond so that we pass big, bold legislation. >> republicans are really
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against this. take a look. >> the dna of the green new deal is all over president biden's legislative proposal. >> the continued power of the far left, the strangle hold they have over capitol hill. >> this is about controlling our lives. >> it's a socialist green new deal. >> we should all be scared. >> they seem to think that talking it up on fox and elsewhere is good for them. they think this is not popular yet. your response? >> well, if you want to talk about socialism, talk about tax breaks for the oil, gas, and coal industry for 100 years while starving the technological competition, which is wind and solar, all electric vehicles. we're going to level this playing field. and when we do, we're going to be looking at the fossil fuel industry in a rearview mirror historically and people will have a cleaner environment.
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they will have millions of new yun nonjobs created in order to revolutionize this energy infrastructure we have in our country and we will rectify the environmental injustice we have done over the years to those most vulnerable communities. so they're still working off of the fox news, fossil fuel industry talking points, the koch brothers, they feel they own and operate the republican party. donald trump was their wholly owned subsidiary. but climate action and clean energy is ultimately bipartisan. and we have a chance to work together ultimately with republicans to find a way in which we can move forward because in state after state we have seen a clean energy revolution taking place that have created hundreds of thousands of jobs. and clean energy is very popular amongst republican voters in this country. when we finish making this case,
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i think we have a chance to really pass a piece of legislation that matches the magnitude of the threat that our planet and our country is facing. >> well, you said that part. i mean, the threat is real. and that's the fact. how you deal with it, debate over policy, but people have to understand what we're dealing with long-term on that threat, which is why we wanted to fit this in. thank you, sir. >> no. thank you for having me on. we have talked in this program about cowardice, about big problems. we're going to talk a little bit about courage, the importance of the person who made the video of george floyd's killing, the teenager who led so many of us when we return. of us when we return spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! all good we need to reduce plastic waste in the environment. that's why at america's beverage companies,
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how did we get here? if it weren't for the citizen made video, the truth about the murder of george floyd might have never come out. remember, as we reported, the initial police report claimed falsely that this was all a medical incident. but there was video taken by then 17-year-old darnella frasier showing then officer chauvin with his knee infamously on floyd. she posted the video on the internet that same day and it took off. >> the incident was caught on camera. >> bystander captured yesterday's incident on a cell
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phone camera. >> the reason we all know about it is because it was so abhorrent that bystanders took that video and posted it on social media. >> we want to show you how that first played out and frashier would say it was her instinct to start recording. she has seen an outpouring of response and tribute from people like meryl streep and oprah to the president himself. and spike lee also presented her with a pen america award for courage. >> i never would imagine out of my whole 17 years of living that this would be me. it's just a lot to take in. >> she created the key evidence. she would also testify in the trial. and let's remember and listen to what she said. she said she wished she could have done more. >> it's been nights i stayed up apologizing and apologizing to
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thanks for spending time with us here. during these momentous times. i'll see you tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. next is "the reidout" with joy reid. >> good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" with the question of justice. what does it mean for george floyd's family? feels like some measure of justice happened yesterday, at least. when after three weeks of devastating and emotional testimony derek chauvin was found guilty on all counts. that means that the former minneapolis police officer murdered george floyd. george floyd isn't coming back. he's not home. his children and loved ones no longer have their father, their sibling, his friends are

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