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♪♪ ♪♪ >> good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is wednesday, april 21st, a new day for millions of americans who are waking up to a new america, a new situation since the verdict of derek chauvin. many saying justice has been served, nearly a year after the death of george floyd, a jury found derek chauvin guilty of floyd's murder, with that, a country at risk of slipping into a new cycle of rage and protest, instead erupted in joy. on committing a felony find the defendant guilty. >> yes! yes! yes! [ cheering ] >> it gives you the chills. you can see it, you can feel it.
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hugs, tears, a lot of pent-up emotion finally being released and what's extraordinary, the headlines the same all over the country. derek chauvin guilty on all charges and it's not just a national story. it is a massive deal all over the world. the verdict made the front page in canada, the uk and spain. chauvin faces decades in prison when his sentencing takes place eight weeks from now. it only took ten and a half hours for the jury to reach that verdict and the reaction from people in minneapolis and all over the country is at least, in this case the system worked. >> this is something beautiful. this is something different. it's -- finally some little piece of justice. >> i cried tears of joy. tears of joy. >> it feels really, really good. big victory for us. we've got a lot to talk about today, and fantastic reporters are covering every angle of this crucial story and you know who i
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want to start with. nbc's shaquille brewster and for the first time in weeks he's not in front of the courthouse. he's in front of the minneapolis correctional facility. shaq, you were there. derek chauvin walked out in handcuffs. what's next? >> that's right, stephanie. derek chauvin walked out of that courtroom in handcuffs and was brought to the only level five maximum security prison. we know sentencing is not going to happen for another eight weeks or so, but we do know there are factors that can change the amount of time that derek chauvin will spend in prison. we know that he faces up to 40 years in prison, but when you look at the state's sentencing guidelines. he's likely not to experience that much time. sentencing guidelines suggest he should spend 12 1/2 years. the key factor is what the prosecution is calling those aggravating factors. they're asking the judge to consider five specific factors
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in the murder of george floyd, including the fact that a 9-year-old was there in the presence of the murder including the vulnerable position that george floyd was in and the judge will hear those arguments in the next cuffel of weeks and that will play a factor in how much time derek chauvin spends in prison ultimately. as that's happening and as that process is under way you still have reaction from member was community. we saw it immediately after that verdict was read and we saw it into the late night hours yesterday. not only did you have the celebrations right after that verdict was read, but really all through the evening. you saw marches throughout the downtown area. you saw people gathering at george floyd square. people expressing a sense of relief. so many people since george floyd was killed, last year almost a year ago told me they were suspicious and they were skeptical told me they would get a guilty verdict, throughout the trial, despite the mountain of evidence and despite officer after officer who took the stand. they did not believe that a jury of 12 would have a unanimous
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agreement. they would not let themselves believe that, but you finally saw that deep sigh of relief from so many people in minneapolis. that feeling is something that continues even this morning, stephanie. >> how about for you, shaq? how do you feel? you have been covering this since the beginning. >> i have to admit i'm tired. we were covering the protesters late into the nate in front of this prison which is 30 minutes outside of the downtown area. i talked to a lot of people who are relieved, but you know, we'll get some sleep once we get through the reaction and see how they feel in the days after the verdict. >> stay with me, shaq. i want to bring in chris stewart, attorney for the floyd family. chris, you must certainly be tired, too. how is the family doing today? >> yeah. we're exhausted.
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maybe slept two hours, if that. we are still living in the bliss of what happened yesterday and praying that this will be a positive change for the entire nation, not just part family. that bliss can change quickly. are they concerned about the upcoming trial for the other officers and having to go through this whole process again. >> not right now. the one thing we told them is, look, we'll fight that battle when it approaches and we have to live in the moment of this victory. we can't just move on because we need to feel this positive feeling that everybody is feeling, black, white, whatever because that will make you keep fighting for change. so you know, embrace it. >> how important are these other convictions to the floyd family? >> it's about accountability, you know. that's all people ask for. standing up for civil rights doesn't mean you're anti-cop.
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that's ridiculous. i have friends that are cops and yet i'm a civil rights attorney. you can do both. you can support good cops who protect the community, love the community and be against cops that kill people or target african-americans. you can do both, for everybody out there. so don't let people separate us along those lines or along color lines. >> so what's next for the floyd family? surely, this is a time to celebrate, but their journey, their fight isn't over. >> no, we really need to get the george floyd justice and policing act passed. it already passed the house. it's going to the senate. the reforms and the measures in that bill will stop a lot of this craziness and nonsense out there with the policing and it will give it a better structure that would help officers so hopefully it doesn't break down along political lines where people aren't caring about the community and they're just
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sticking to what they're supposed to do because of their party and they try to help america. so we're going to pray for that. >> well, they certainly got a call from a political leader yesterday. what was it like getting that call from president biden? >> well, i can hear the excitement in his voice and the vice president's voice because they took turns talking to the family, and you know, president biden said he will bring giana up to the white house which i know she'll be really excited about, but i could hear the relief in their voice that justice was actually given and hope for the future that this would continue when someone is killed the way that george floyd was. >> chris, thank you so much for joining us this morning. chris mentioned celebrations and feelings of joy around the country. immediately after that verdict was read we saw people gather across the nation, but unlike what we saw this past summer it
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was a time to celebrate. gabe gutierrez has that story. >> reporter: it was a seminal moment across the country. >> i heard not guilty so many times so my mind was -- did i hear -- did i hear that right? from atlanta. >> i cried tear was joy. tears of joy. >> to boston. >> this is a moment in history, right? that, you know, so many people hopefully look back on as a catalyst for good things to happen. >> to houston where george floyd grew up. >> something had to happen to make them understand that you're not above the law. >> minutes before the verdict, outside the courthouse in minneapolis, brie graham told us she couldn't even watch the trial. >> it's been a constant trauma in re-living it over and over and over again and we need to see some just toys feel like we're going somewhere. so she and others crowded around
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their cell phones struggling to hear the jury's decision and then -- >> guilty! [ cheering ] a wave of relief sliced through the anxiety that had been tightening for almost a year. >> former officer derek chauvin guilty on all three counts. >> i can't believe it. it feels -- there's poetry in the fact that he couldn't breath and it feels like we got a breath of fresh air and it feels like we can breathe. >> reporter: the prosecution and defense insisted it was the actions of one police officer and many in the crowd thought it was about much more than that. >> i was 11 years old when trayvon martin was murdered and he didn't get justice. i grew up seeing my people not get justice and i was scared it was just going to be the same story over and over. for us to finally have our first victory, it's crazy. >> a victory that ricocheted around the world. >> i was sitting in front of the
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tv watching the verdict come down and my hands start sweating, my body starts shivering and my heart starts pounding because i was nervous. i was nervous because i didn't believe. >> in louisville, a city rocked by the death of breonna taylor, what started as relief has now turned to reflection. >> i am so surprised i ran up here. i'm shocked. i don't even -- is it true, though? >> guilty on all three counts. >> as it should be. america got it right for once. >> shaquille brewster back with us. also joining the conversation, charles coleman civil rights attorney and former prosecutor and you know on a day like this she would be here, brittany cunningham, former member of president obama's policing task force. brittany, we heard from former president obama, he wrote in a statement this. we know that true justice is about much more than a single verdict in a single trial. president biden said this should be the beginning, not the end, but here's the thing.
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we have seen leaders say this many, many times. do you have any reason to believe that this time is different? >> unfortunately, i don't, stephanie, and i should start by saying that the only modicum of relief that i feel goes directly to george floyd's family, that the bit of accountability that the system allows them is the very least they should have had, guilty is the obvious choice here and i'm prayerful that they get a piece of closure because at the very least they deserve that, and yet and still, you heard chris, the family attorney use the word accountability and that is what we should actually be centering here. language matters. once george took his last breath there was no possibility for anything else than accountability. you've heard me say that before. i and many others have been saying that for years and if we continue to conflate justice with accountability then we will
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set the bar to low and this will continue to happen. we know daunte wright was killed and we know that while this verdict was being prepared that makiya brown was killed in columbus, ohio. the police have not slowed down their killings of black people in particular, so this entire system is what needs to be put on trial. this entire system is what needs to be interrupted and that's the only way to achieve true justice which is black people, and all people living and thriving. nothing replaces the floyds being able to hug floyd today. that would be true justice. >> shaq, you were on the ground before and after that verdict was read. where do those demonstrators and protesters go? this is a moment of joy, but they're not done fighting. >> that's exactly right. >> something that we noticed yesterday is how quickly that large crowd, how quickly that crowd formed.
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we got word that the verdict was coming. we got an hour, hour and a half head's up and we were talking about broadcasting that and we saw people seemingly from nowhere come to the downtown area and pulled out their phones and watched and as they were watching on the phones you heard a hush come over the crowd and you heard someone with a bullhorn yell guilty. people's hands were shaking to one of celebration and relief. i had a couple of conversations with people and there was one at least on twitter really stuck out with people, and i want to share a little bit of it with you right now. take a look at that moment. >> i saw for myself personally this has been a wake-up call for the privilege i've had, and i haven't even realized it and the difficulty for all black and brown people.
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so i'm thrilled that justice is served. >> what are you going to do with that realization? where do you take that? i want to find out. i don't know. i actually googled it today. >> what did you google? >> what can a white person do to help black lives matter? >> that's the one thing you notice. this was a jury that was comprised of six people who were of color, four black and two identified as mixed race, and you saw that level of diversity even in the crowd, even of people who decided to come down to the courthouse who decided to march the streets of downtown minneapolis and you got a sense that george floyd's killing was not an eye-opening moment for people and this verdict was another opportunity for people who probably tried to ignore and tried to stay away from the realities of what's going on. it was another moment for them to have a reckoning in their own mind. >> a simple and really important google search. what can white people do to
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actually help this. charles, walk us through what happens next for derek chauvin? >> well, what we will see happen next is that over the course of the next few weeks there will be arguments presented to the judge about aggravating factors that should give the highest sentence possible. normally because derek chauvin does not have a criminal record he will be subjected to a relatively low number and sentencing and prosecutors will argue for the highest number of time to be given to derek chauvin in this case. they'll use factors like the fact that there were a number of young people. we had a 9-year-old girl who witnessed this killing in front of her very eyes. the fact that derek chauvin is -- was, in fact, a police officer and police officers are sworn to serve and protect communities and a number of other factors that prosecutors are going to be pushing for in order to try and get the maximum sentence possible. eight weeks from now, prosecutors will present their
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final sentencing memo. they will hear from members of the community and they will hear from the floyd family and others affected by this killing and the judge will make a ruling as to what derek chauvin's ultimate fate is in terms of his sentencing. >> did derek chauvin hurt his case in that he had an opportunity to speak, to show contrition, mercy, something, and he didn't. he chose not to testify. >> at the end of the day, stephanie i don't necessarily know that from a legal standpoint it would have been wise for derek chauvin to get on the stand and try to tell his story. the reality is that most of america, and i believe quite frankly, that jury had very little interest in hearing what chauvin had to say. i know that that runs contrary to what our legal system says is supposed to happen, but when you see that, when you watch that and when you witness that video there's very little that he could have offered that would have been persuasion testify any jury on any regard across america.
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>> the other officers are going to face their trial in august. does the verdict we got, the guilty verdict, does it make it easier or harder for them to be convicted? >> one can only hope that the sense of accountability that has been established as part of this verdict will carry over to those officers in that case. the reality is that there is also the consideration that jurors may feel that because chauvin was the main actor and he has been held accountable that these others may have a lower burden. they may find sympathy with the fact that some of the officers were new on the force and considered to be rookies. i would find that to be unfortunate and an aberration, but nonetheless, these are things that we'll have to watch for in the coming weeks. >> brittany, the nation's largest police union released a statement on the verdict writing this, quote, our system of justice has worked as it should. what do you think about that? >> you know, i'd actually like to quote a former student of
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mine named sophia hunt. she's brilliant and said that this verdict is not evidence that the system works, but it's evidence that policing doesn't. this is a moment where we have to remain focused on the entire system, and i am very sure that the police union would like to participate in a rehabilitation of it and the industry's image at this moment. i'm sure they would like to set out derek chauvin and the other three officers as the rule and aberration, when in fact, derek shoafin and the other three officers are a product of their environment. the institution of policing is precisely the problem here, and at the end of the day, whether it's derek chauvin in minnesota or ferguson or the officer that killed makiya bryant in columbus, ohio, we need to make sure that instead of policing we pursue public safety that re-invests in people and stops investing in institutions that continue to kill us.
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>> to that very point, charles, is the police union re-writing the narrative because the original release from the minneapolis police department about the incident it resurfaced and i need to read what they first describe what happened, quote. officers were able to get the officer into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. he was transported to hennepin county medical center by ambulance where he died a short time later. if bystanders had not started recording, teenagers, would we even be having this conversation? because this is what police said, a medical incident. >> i agree with what brittany said. what we know about policing and the narrative that they have attempted force on the american public is that they have the hardest jobs that no one can ever understand them and they
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cannot do it better. through all of the work that many people like myself, brittany and countless others do in community, we always encounter cops telling us that we don't understand how hard their jobs are yet and still what we have witnessed over and over again is countless incidents where police and law enforcement are able to handle other situations with other groups of people in different fashions using lower amounts of force as they do with us. and so yes, police do re-write narratives and this is a classic example of that and it's something that we have to continue to push back on if we are ever going to achieve the type of accountability that is going to move the needle forward substantially. >> a jury made it clear, this was not a medical incident. charles, brittany, shaq, thank you all for joining this morning. coming up next, breaking news in ohio, protests overnight after a teenage girl was shot and killed by police after authorities say she lunged at someone with a
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breaking overnight, protests erupted in columbus, ohio, after a 16-year-old girl was fatally shot by police after authorities say she attempted to stab two people with a knife. police released bodycam footage of what happened and we should warn you the video you are about to see is disturbing. >> what's going on? what's going on? >> hey, hey, hey! get down! get down! >> josh letterman is in columbus, ohio now. josh, this is very early for police to release body camera video. are they trying to get in front of this and show people that this is -- this was a justified action on the part of police? we don't get video this soon?
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>> they're not going to far as to say it's justified and they had to put out what information they had as soon as possible, literally within hours of this shooting taking place. so let's catch people up on what we do and don't know about exactly what happened. the mayor of the city calling this a tragic day while the acting police chief says they were responding to a 911 call where a girl was reported being the subject of an attempt to stab her with a knife. she arrived on the scene a few minutes later. police saw a confrontation and then they say that what you can see on that video is a girl taking a knife and attempting to stab another girl and that that is the point where officers began to shoot. they are pointing out that it is legal and part of their policy for a police officer to be able
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to use lethal actions to protect the lives of themselves or others. whether this fits that definition is what is going to be the subject of an investigation that is under way now by the state's bureau of criminal investigation. we are just learning, stephanie that police plan to release all the rest of that body camera footage by the end of the day. >> you're in a city that has been calling for change. this happened on the same day the city council was already meeting about a new police review board and how are members of the community reacting? >> i think the initial reaction when first word broke of this yesterday, stephanie was here we go again and in fact, when this came out directly after the chauvin verdict you saw twitter light up with people saying one step forward, two steps backward. then police came out with this video and now the situation is a little bit more complicated and there's a lot of confusion, including from some of the
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neighbors who spoke to reporters after the incident last night. take a listen. >> i'm just shocked. i mean, i don't each know what to say. it's an out of body experience. >> i know she was shot four times and the grandmother was out there hollering and screaming, very upset saying that they didn't have to shoot her. they didn't have to shoot her. >> so that is, of course, going to be the big question here, stefr me. did police in this case have to shoot this girl or not? people may come to different conclusions about that as they watched this video, learn more as this investigation unfolds. all of this taking place amid this fraught reckoning in our country about use of force by the police, stephanie. >> josh, keep us posted. any new developments. coming up next, after the chauvin verdict will the senate finally act on police reform? we'll have the latest from the hill and the white house next. he hill and the white house next. think you're managing your moderate
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investigation into the minneapolis police department. andrea, what is your reaction to that? an investigation into your police department? >> wow, good morning, stephanie. i am -- that is breaking news, but you know, our police department is under investigation by the minnesota department of human rights. so, you know, i guess i'm not surprised, and i guess i would welcome the doj to come in and help us really reimagine and transform this -- this system that we have here in minneapolis and throughout the country because it really is a -- we need a national approach to how we do policing in this country? >> let's talk about that because you have been part of this push to change policing at least in this city. replacing the police department with the department of public safety. where does that effort stand and does the chauvin guilty verdict change those efforts?
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>> well, the verdict does not change those efforts, not even a little bit and right now, what that is it's a charter proposal that we are hoping to get on the ballot and our voters can -- the residents of minneapolis can vote on that whether that change should happen or not in november. last year, violent crime was up across the country, including minneapolis. minneapolis saw violent crime jump more than 20%. murders doubled from 47 to 81. one of the things in your plan removes the requirement to keep a minimum number of officers on the job. how do you convince people that they will be safer with fewer police? >> well, you know, we are not proposing your public safety in this. we will continue to try to have
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client prevention efforts and to have different responses to different activities and a mental health response. mental health response so police can focus on the work that they do. i think police officers appreciate that, and i think in the long run, the community will come to appreciate that, as well as we are really trying to bring our police department into the 21st century and function and operate like other professions do in this country. >> andrea, stay with us. i want to bring in our justice correspondent, pete williams. are you there in. >> i am, stephanie. what we are told is we will hear from the attorney general in 25 minutes, merrick garland and several law enforcement officials have told us that one thing he'll say in his brief statement, this is not a news
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conference, it's a statement to the camera, that the justice department is launching what is known as a pattern and practice investigation of the minneapolis police department. these pattern and practices investigations by the justice department's civil rights division have been going on for many decades and they virtually ground to a halt under the trump administration and it was just last friday that attorney general garland said he was rescinding the memo under the trump administration originally signed by attorney general jeff sessions that basically stopped these. many of these investigations are welcomed by the police department to have outsiders come in and make recommendations, some of them end with consent decrees in court. in some cases the police departments fight them and they go to court. in some cases it's simply a memorandum of understanding. so we'll have to see whether the police department in minneapolis is welcoming this. obviously, they'll cooperate. they don't really have a choice
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here, but it is a significant step and under the department of approximately see under the biden administration from the trump administration. >> the justice department is taking action and all of this is happening as congress has been at a stand still on police reform for the last two months and many are calling for that to change as part of their reak to the verdict last night, both president biden and vice president harris called on congress to pass a national reform bill with all of the pressure falling squarely, guess where? on the senate. i want to bring in peter alexander from the white house. it's not a surprise to hear from the president and the vice president. they want the senate to take action and they've wanted it for the last two month, but is there any reason to believe we will actually see something happen? >> something like a police reform bill cannot be done through reconciliation. so what you will need are 60
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votes or more to pass something and this means republicans and democrats will have to agree what is an appropriate amount of reform and i can tell you there are bipartisan discussions happening in both chambers starting with the george floyd justice and policing bill that was passed by the house and trying to modify that so that it might pick up republican support and i say discussions because we haven't reached a stage where you can call formal negotiations, so if there is going to be reaction from congress it's a ways off. >> peter, talk to us about a white house push pecking order. president biden wants to push a bill on police reform and he's also pushing infrastructure. he's got a lot to do on immigration and guns. where does this fall? >> you're right. fundamentally that's the challenge. next week he marks a hundred days and he will focus heavily on his infrastructure and jobs
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program, but as we heard from him in his conversation with the floyd family yesterday and as he said in his public comments and his aides have told me here, this remains a big issue and a priority for this president and how much capital he puts into this, that remains to be seen. you'll remember last week the president abandoned the campaign promise of introducing a police oversight commission ask he would focus specifically on this george floyd bill that would do a series of things that he believes there should be bipartisan support for that he would ban choke holds or no-knock warrants and it would create a national registry to keep better track of police misconduct and that would do a better job of prohibiting racial profiling in policing around the country. on the issue of qualified immunity and these are legal protections afforded to law enforcement. right now there's been stiff opposition for republicans on
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that. they did continue to mention the name tim scott. he is the only black republican senator. they say that he has the potential to be very influential on this and they're hoping that he would go further than he would have done under the trump administration in his efforts to help reform policing. >> democrats blocked republican senator tim scott's police reform bill back in december. does that bill or peter's point that maybe tim scott will go a little further? does that give hope that maybe there could be negotiations, a new starting point that we went back to his bill? >> scott is the key player here from the republican side. what he and congressional democrats agree to will be key to unlocking what gets to 60 votes and as peter mentioned probably the biggest sticking point for republicans is the qualified immunity and it was not the one piece and not in the scott bill and the idea that individual police officers could be held accountable through
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getting rid of qualified immunity and it was something that caused republicans to hit the brakes on the george floyd bill in the last congress. so again, i think we're all in the right spot here. the conversations between tim scott, cory booker in the senate and bass on the right side those are the three that will determine whether something can get through the 60-vote threshold. >> garrett, we'll go through all of this. garrett hake, and pete alexander. >> our craig melvin was with george floyd's family as the verdict came down yesterday. craig will be with us live. n ye. craig will be with us live lo. when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong.
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craig, you spoke to george floyd's family early this morning. tell us about that. >> i did, stephanie. i spent some time with his brother philonise, and i spent time with the family last night, as well. the reactions we've been talking about this morning and yesterday coming in from around the world especially here in minneapolis, you'd be hard pressed to find the reaction that was more sincere, more emotional than philonise floyd who was in that courtroom yesterday afternoon when the verdict came down, and i asked him this morning on "today" what it was like and here's what he told me. >> i always had faith, and i said it over and over again, but for me to just sit there and pray for 30 minutes and i hear guilty, and i hear some more numbers and then i hear guilty again, and i said, lord, please,
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please let there be another one and then hear guilty again, and i was excited. i was excited. it was a pivotal moment for me, my family, the world, and giana, she just don't know that the words that she spoke, my dad would change the world, he really did. >> giana, of course, george floyd's 7-year-old daughter, and she was at that news conference yesterday with her mother. jubilation was in the air there. jubilation in the air here in the city, as well. i just spent time talking to mayor jacob frye and he echoed the same sentiment we heard from president biden and from the floyd family, they very much don't want this verdict to be the end of something. they don't want this to be the end of a story. they would much rather this be the start of something else. they were adamant, all of them very adamant about that, steph.
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>> craig, when you and i spoke before the verdict, i asked what this was leak for you, and on the ground. you said tense, anxious. what about post-verdict? >> relieved. just a sense of sheer and utter relief. there was so much concern that regardless of the verdict in some cities there might be violence, was there no violence. the protests largely peaceful all over america especially here in minneapolis. they called up 3,000 national guard troops and they called the courthouse in hennepin county and a great sense of relief and not just because derek chauvin was found guilty on three counts. no, no, no, and i think we talked about this two weeks ago, steph. it wasn't just shoaf oin trial in this courthouse, it was the criminal justice system in this country. for some it was america in general.
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so many people had lost faith in this idea that people can be treated fairly and equally in a courtroom and then to see a 45-year-old former deputy hauled off in handcuffs for murdering an unarmed black man for allegedly passing a counterfeit $20 bill, it restored -- it restored a faith that had been lost by so many for so long. i think it's very difficult to understate how far tuesday's verdict went for a lot of folks. not just george floyd's family. >> you know, the jury only deliberated for 10 and a half hours. we all saw that video. nine minutes of derek chauvin on george floyd's neck. despite that, were you surprised by the verdict. were other people you spoke to on the ground surprised? virtually everyone. ben crump, the attorney for the floyd family. everyone was surprised by the
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speed with which the verdict came down. also, keep in mind, steph, this was a jury. they didn't ask any questions of judge cahill. they asked for no clarification, it was as if monday night they went in, they elected their jury foreperson. yesterday morning theyback, eac them said their peace, and then they filled out the paper work. they did not seem to a great deal of time. the names of the jurors at some point are expected to be made public, but it will be interesting to get their perspective. the six people that identify as black or mixed race, getting their perspective on the evidence of that. there is also a number of folks that contended in the last 24 hours, especially did you need ten hours? if you look at the video, i'll tell you something else that ben crump said that i found
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surprising. the defense spent a lot of time showing the video as well. i think there will be a lot of discussion on whether or not that ultimately helped or hurt the defense. >> the 17-year-old woman who knew what she was seeing was wrong and she shot that video. darnell frazier, we should say her name as well. nbc news just obtained an fda report on the baltimore facility that helped make johnson and johnson vaccine. there was serious violations where ingredients for 15 million doses of the vaccine were ruined. heidi, what do we know about this? it doesn't sound good. >> yeah, so this was just obtained by our colleague laura
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strickler finding violations. talking about the conditions not being clean and sanitary. about the equipment not being sanitary, as well as not the right size. as well as potential cross contamination. this is just the latest set back in johnson and johnson. poor johnson and johnson, they were supposed to be the vaccine of choice in so many of these clinics like i'm at today in earn maryland serving underserved areas across the country. not a good development today with this new report coming out. >> tell us a little more about this facility. >> all right, this really marks a new more surgical faze of the campaign here. fema is deploying 30 of these clinics on wheels trying to reach more rural under served areas. we talked about what the goals
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are here as well as the challenges, take a listen. >>. >> it's not just vaccine hesitancy, it's access. some don't have the ability to register on some of the systems that exist. so reaching out and making sure the communities can get an point and come get vaccinated and these sites help in doing that. >> being here also demonstrates the challenges with ak seen access and he has den si. they are able to vaccinate up to 250 individuals per day. today and yesterday there was dozens of spots still available. the fema director talked to us frankly about that. this is an all hands on deck issue. we met a woman yesterday that is in a family that has several individuals who are high risk
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and she thought she was the first one to get vaccinated. that is where we are, it may be a more difficult surgical part. >> we have to address this vaccine hesitancy. we have more news. police looking for a motive after a person killed at a shooting at a wawa in eastern pennsylvania. it comes after a shooting at a stop and shop that took place yesterday. leaving one dead and two people challenged. these two scenes are the string of latest that hit boston and columbus, ohio all in the last six days. this week, look at your calendar. it marks 22 years since two high school students open fired inside of columbine high school in littleton, colorado.
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they killed 12 fellow students and one of their teachers. it's the kind of senseless tragedy that used be unthinkable. but now has become a regular occurrence in day to day american life. in indianapolis. orange, texas, orange county, a convenience store in maryland, a grocery store in boulder, colorado where ten people who were just going out to buy their groceries lost their lives. all of that took place in the last month in the united states of america. we have all seen flags flown at after staff, vigils, calls for change, thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prays, but since columbine, 22 years this week federal gun laws have largely remained unchanged in this country. no matter how many times it
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happens in one month or one week we should not accept that this is our new normal. we can do something about it. and we have the opportunity to do better. now we need the will. that wraps up this hour, i'm stephanie ruhle, hallie jackson has breaking coverage, next. attorney general merrick garland says they plan to launch an investigation into the minneapolis police department following the verdict for derek chauvin. t following the verdict for derek chauvin. proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis... ...with humira. humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain, stop further irreversible joint damage and clear skin in many adults. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis,
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as we come on the air, the attorney general is about to make a major announcement. sourcing confirming that america will launch a investigation into the minneapolis police department. also, this morning, the country waking up after relief and reflection coast to coast after those sweeping verdicts against derek chauvin. his bail revoked, bond discharged, and sentencing now two months away. a verdict and a moment nearly a year in the making. >> i hear guilty and then i hear guilty again, and guilty again.


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