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the funding necessary, domestic terrorism, but instead, we haven't seen that, and instead, my own state, individuals who voted -- who are members of the republican party to impeach donald trump, you know, there's pause every day to sensor them instead of applaud them. >> michigan state attorney dana nestle. thank you. the 11th hour with brian williams starts right now. >> good evening once again. was day 90 of the biden administration, and former u.s. senator joe biden is among those in american lives and politics remembers his friend from the senate who went on to be the 42nd vice president of the united states. walter mondale who died this evening at the age of 93. we will have more on his life
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and legacy later in this hour. meanwhile, so much of the nation's attention is focused on walter mondale's home state of minnesota where there is great tension tonight, now that the fate of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin is in the hands of the jur y. almost a year ago, it forced the country to -- and protestored started gathering in minneapolis. the 12 majors spent about hour hours deliberating. they sequestered. they will resume in the morning. city and state law enforcement in place. they are joined by members of the national guard which tonight is also activated in d.c. derek chauvin is charged with
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second degree untingsal murder, third degree murder, second degree manslaughter. after 14 days of testimony, the prosecution and defense made their statement to the jury. >> this is not a prosecution of the police. it's a prosecution of the defendant. what the defendant did was not policing. what the defendant did was an assault. believe your eyes, what you saw, you saw. >> i submit to you that the state has failed to meet its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. the defendant's actions caused the death of mr. floyd. actions that happened before mr. floyd was arrested that have nothing to do with officer chauf
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in's activities are not to do with it. the drug injection. the bad heart. the diseased heart, the hyper tension. all of these things existed before mr. chauvin arrived. >> you were told example that mr. floyd died -- that mr. floyd died because his heart was too big. you heard that testimony. and now having seen all the evidence dense, you know the truth, and the truth of the matter is the reason george floyd is dead because mr. chauvin's heart was too small. >> of course this is america in 2021, politics has never been far from this closely watched case, and most elected officials have not hesitated to weigh in. today after the jurors were
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escorted out of the courtroom, maxine waters of california, the suggestion, her incendiary words could have an impact on the verdict. waters made her comments at a rally in brooklyn center, minnesota. >> we're looking for a guilty verdict. i am very hopeful and i hope we're going to get a verdict that is a guilty, guilty, guilty. if we don't, we cannot go away. we have to stay on the street and we have to get more active. we have to get more confrontational. we have to make sure they know we mean business. >> so chauvin's lawyer argued that right there is grounds for a mistrial, and the judge didn't exactly disagree. >> elected official, united
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states congress person, was making what i interpreted to be reasonably interpreted to be threats against the sank at this timety. >> it will result in the whole trial being overturned. i'm aware she was talking about the trial, and anything less than a murder conviction, and talk about confrontational. this goes back to what i have been saying from the beginning. i wish elected officials would stop taking in a case in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law. their failure to do so is abhorrent but i don't think it's material that will persuade the jury. they were told not to listen to
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the news. beyond the facts of the case. a congresswoman's opinion doesn't really matter a lot. >> the usually measured judge cahill was angry there, as you saw. but he went on to deny the defense motion for a mistrial. as you imagine, the white house is watching the deliberations. >> we are in touch with mayor, governors, local authorities. when the jury makes their deliberations and concludes and a verdict is fund, i'm sure the president will speak to that. he met with the floyd family last year, and is closely following the trials. he says that protests must be peaceful. >> tonight, there is new development in the death of capitol police officer brian sicknick. today the d.c. medical examiner
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has issued a statement saying sicknick died from natural causes after suffering two strokes after being attacked by the riots and looters. video show him being attacked. two men are accused of assaulting sake sicknick, accused of spraying a powerful irritant that is marketed to stop a bear charging at you in its tracks. with that, let's bring in our lead-off guests, white house correspondent for the pbs news hour. cynthia, and we welcome to the broadcast marilyn mosby, from the great state of maryland and counselor, i would like to star with you, asking what you made
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of both sides of closing arguments? >> i mean, first and foremost, i think the prosecution did an outstanding job. i think what they have done is essence is to accomplish three parameters in which we would attempt to get a vin conviction in the case. what we know is that the most valuable piece of evidence in the case is the video. and they have been able to harken back to the video on more than one occasion, and they have been able to see just how important that video is and establishing not just the emotional testimony of 28 different -- 38 different witnesses but the fact they have been able to targeten and show the emotion that it entailed, that corroborates the video, and
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corroborates the murder of an individual whose life was lost on video camera for nine minutes and 30 seconds. >> cynthia, it's never good when your closing argument, talking about the defense here, goes on for so long, the judge has to interrupt you because in effect, you lost the jury, and he calls a 30-minute lunch break to continue after the break. what did you make of the defense closing argument? >> i thought i was listening to the lincoln douglas debates. they were so long and it took forever to get to the point he wanted to get to. he wasted too much time talking about chocolate chip cookies and talking about the tail pipe to defense. and the crowd defense, and none of that really helps his case. by the time he got to what helps
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his case which is the argument about the cause of death, everybody was half asleep. it was not a good choice, and that hurt him. it also hurt him, i thought, that he misstated the law. and the judge had to then tell the jury the law again, and on rebuttal, the prosecution was really able to snack him with it. what hurts with that, when a defense attorney does that, or any lawyer in a case, you spend a whole trial building up your credibility. he needs one juror to advocate for him. and what he has done, when he doesn't tell the truth or doesn't say the law correctly or waste their time on arguments nobody believes to be true, it makes it impossible for him to have that juror in the jury room stand up to him.
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i have tried these cases in there. is always that unknown juror. he needs something to be his advocate in the courtroom, and he hurt himself today in doing that. >> over to you, ameesh. i know you as one of the better reports inside the west wing, and what is the thinking about the west wing and the president as to what he can or should say or do given any different combinations of verdicts we could get here. >> my sense of walking to white house officials is that people in the white house, including the president, have been watching it closely, and like many americans, they are bracing to see what happens with the verdict. they of course are going to be different messages, i think a message that will be different if it ends in acquittal versus a guilty versus a manslaughter. what we will hear, someone who
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leans in his emotion, sense of loss, who will center that a family is now without a brother and a father and a cousin and an uncle. and this will also be -- he's going to be talking to a nation whose soul he said he wanted to heal in running for president. so i think that is some of the things we will hear and it's in way with things we have heard from him when he was running for president, and the idea he can try to connect, and the end of the day, talking to george floyd's family, you have to remember that justice, in this case, if the officer is convicted, there is still going to be a family that has lost george floyd. lost the man, with the nation watching him take his last breathe in 9 minutes and 29 seconds. and the prosecutor really leaning in and saying the reason
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that george floyd is dead is because derek chauvin did not have a big heart. he had a small heart. he said this a case where you can believe your eyes. common sense is what you need to decide the case, and what you saw, a laundry list of issues and arguments, in some ways handing to the juror who may side with the defense a laundry list of reasons to go with him. maybe officers make mistakes. the crowds distract them. maybe it's that george floyd died because of his heart condition. there is a laundry list of things. and it's like throwing spaghetti to the wall to see if something will stick. there will are jurors who want to acquit this officer. >> over to marilyn. was a dark anniversary in your beloved city. freddy gray died six years ago
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today. talk about how you have viewed this trial, having learned the painful lesson that you had to learn publicly about the difficulty in convicting police officers. >> so i mean, you talked upon it, brian. i think it's a very difficult sort of task. i think the perceptions of police brutality and race relations have changed drastically since the time the a.p. put out a poll in the height of the death of george floyd last summer that said, and they measured from the time that i charge the officers and freddy gray, and i think the difference that i have seen, that has existed is that a piece of evidence that actually depicted, visually depicted, george floyd being murdered on camera, and freddy gray, we didn't have anything from start to finish. there was no direct evidence.
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we had to rely on circumstantial evidence and police witnesses, and then after the first case that we tried in front of a jury, where it hung a 11-1 guilty, the police were able to circumvent the community, and the judge acquitted them over and over again. the biggest difference i see with freddy gray versus derek chauvin is a scrumbling blue wall of silence. huh police training officers. huh a police chief. you had an unprecedented number of officers unwilling to distance themselves from the force, but they were willing to testify. and we didn't have that. we had the training officers that testified in favor of the defense. so again, i think that we are at a very critical monumental
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point, and the chauvin trial, and the world is literally watching to see if america's justice system leaves up to the ideals and promise of ensuring one standard of justice for all. >> hear, hear, on the world watching, what happens. cynthia, do you think generally the judge has done a good and fair job and acquitted himself well in this case? and were you like us? could you really sense the anger when he made the tough comments about maxine waters? >> i could. but the truth of the matter is, it's silly. there is no evidence that any juror has violated their oath and heard the comment. i certainly have said worse. it's only an issue if they violate their oath and are watching the news, and there is
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no evidence of that. so whatever she said f they are violating the oath and watching the news, it would be a problem. i don't see it as much of a case. i would like to echo about this case as being different than most police cases. we do not have a blue wall. we do have a video. we don't have a factual truth. we have an officer who didn't tell the truth right away. he did not come forward about the use of force, and so often, police cases, you are rejudging what happened in the case, and this went on and on, and everybody is able to see the sadism, and the way he was grinding his knee, and the crowd said, please stop, and he put more weight on his neck. so this is a very different case and shut bring convictions on all counts. >> agreed and great points.
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the similarities with this and the gray case really start to fall apart when you look at them in any detail. ameesh, i think everyone would agree the floyd family has been dignified throughout. in their grief and frustration, they yield to no one. and under the bright light of attention, i think they have held up remarkably well. you have spoken to family members. what are their hopes? what could their hopes possibly be for this week? >> the floyd family has really help up, like you said, the bright lights, the attention of being thrust into this club, unfortunately, of families that have lost a loved one at the hands of please. i spoke to george floyd's brother. he wants to see justice. he wants to see the officer
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convicted and he wants to make sure no other family has to deal with this again. he wants to make sure that no other family member dies at the hands of police. he is sharing a layer with derrick brown's. and you have each other's back, and people want to see justice, the family want fos see justice. they want to make sure that george floyd's name is attached to a guilty verdict in the case. and they want to make sure there is justice through congress, and so there will be legislative fixes to what happened to his brother. this is a heart broken family.
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and i asked what it was like on the witness stand. he said, it felt like relief. is haunting the family so long. he felt he could go and give the jury a piece of what he was. the loss he felt when his mother died. we heard him saying mama, mama overagain. and it was window what he was thinking about in the last few breaths we saw him die. >> the last thing he wanted was to be a public figure, and yet, he has held up in that glare, in that role. more thanks to the our big three guests on this monday night as we start a new week, and the wait for a verdict is under way. great thanks for being here with us. coming up, if there was ever any question where the republican
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so this happened during his first on camera interview since leaving office. donald trump shared his thoughts with sean hannity of the future of the republican party. >> should they take the make america great again agenda and
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fight for what you fought for? >> if they want to win, yes, the texas border, we have the biggest hispanic vote. the governor said to me, he said, we have the biggest vote since reconstruction. civil war? and he said, civil war. >> that reconstruction. with us tonight to talk about all things political, james carville, who road to national fame with the clinton presidential campaign, and tim miller, a contributor and former communications director for jeb bush. so glad to have you back here tonight. james, before we get in the politics of mr. trump, i have to begin with a more urgent matter. the news tonight. what we have lost in our
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politics with the loss of walter mondale? >> we lost a lot of things that is lost in american politics, decency. but as my cohort pointed out, he was the first consequential vice president. he had offices in the west wing. he was in every meeting. he literally changed the office of vice president. not only personally attributes is something to be remembered and respected. his political attributes, they are god. when you change an office, you make an impact on american politics. and president clinton spoke to him, he was a great man. very consequential life. well respected man. >> indeed, he was the first
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preponderate to live in the naval observatory as the vice presidentible home. sbm nm effect today between biden and harris as it wous between obama and biden. tim, about that comment from trump who wants you to know the reconstruction of the civil war. is he right that the ticket to winning is to embrace the maga ban center. >>. >> i will say something that i kind of agree with the political analysis. i think the party had an opportunity after the january 6th insurrection to say, we are had enough of this, we are going
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to pivot during the biden era and try to reach back out to women, and suburban voters, the people who we lost, the people who gave joe biden a 7 million vote victory. but they decided they wanted to stick with the coup. they wanted to be an insurrectionist party. and double down on the crazy. so as a result, they have to turn out the maga base. the suburban voters are not coming back. i don't think it's good for the politics, for the party. that is the bet the republican party has made right now, and that is what you will see in 2022, we are seeing it in virginia, ohio, where midterm races are under way. >> james, i will read you something from the the a.p. tonight. about mr. gates and
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congresswoman green. grates and greene have attracted more a2e7x than most junior members of congress. party leaders have to decide what they have to do about them and what impact it will have. and from come from the gop's staunchly conservative base. so james, i'm guessing you're fine with giving those two all the attention they demand. it's not like their leader in the house voted against insurrection. what is your take on this story and those two members of the house specifically? >> one part of the story that just irritates me, already, james, you have aoc. stop, aoc is a talented, smart person with borderline naive ideas like giving everybody
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health insurance. and marjorie greene is literally out of her mind. it's profitable to be crazy in today's republican party. and matt gaetz. he looks like a character. that is the weirdest looking guy i have seen in my life. they have some real -- we have people who i think are politically not practical all the time but nice people who aspire something for the country. i don't know where the people are coming from. i don't. she is making money hand over foot. >> that she is. that she is. i'm not sure if she can be primaried with that much in her checking account. both gentlemen have agreed to stay with us. coming up, biden says out loud,
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the president met for a second time today with democrats and republicans in an attempt to broker a deal on the massive infrastructure plan. still with us, george carville and tim miller. is there a chance he can get ten votes for anything? you maim it? >> no, there is not a single piece of consequential legislation that ten republicans will support. there is no way that ten republicans will back something that will help biden politically. maybe a random piece of legislation. but not anything that is part of the agenda. it's smart of biden. ask them to come to the table, and inevitably, they're not going to meet him. when he gets one or two votes but i think that is the best he can hope for. >> james carville, same
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question. >> i agree with tim. it's smart to talk compromise. he might get two or three will come aboard. i completely agree. joe biden could get the votes. >> and james, since you opened the door on the false equivalence of aoc and mtg. you have talib says incarceration should be abolished and you have -- uring protestors should be nonconfrontational. do they have anything to answer for for their members of the house? >> of course we do. we're a large political party and sometimes people say things. i think defund the police was unfortunate. i think some of the faculty
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lounge lingo is not helpful. but i don't put them on the same level as marjorie taylor greene or matt gaetz or anything like that. i like maxime. i don't know talib but that is not helpful to the democratic caucus at all. >> tim, i'm guessing you couldn't describe the cloak room talk as faculty lounge lingo, what do you describe it? >> i guess it's locker room talk. you have matt gaetz shows naked pictures on his cell phone. you knee is happening. i guess that is how i describe
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>> folks, i have good news. everybody is eligible as of today to get the vaccine. we have enough of it. you need to be protected and you need to protect your neighbors and your family. so please, get the vaccine. >> with the pace of life these days that is a colossal
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achievement and i went by in a flash today. over half the u.s. adult population has a the least one dose of the vaccine. and over the 85 million americans that have fully vaccinated, fewer than 6,000 have break through cases of the virus. it means getting the virus while fully vaccinated. sadly, the country is averages 67,000 new infections every day. it's good to have with us michael osterhome, from the university of minnesota. he was a covid adviser to the biden transition team. thank you so much for coming on. i have a complex question to start. it is a big day when every american over 16 can get the
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shot, and we continue to edge people to get the shot. in light of that, are we overreacting to the new case numbers? and what inning do you think we're in now? >> you know, it is a complex question, brian. but let me just say, i congratulate the administration trying to get the vaccine out. the problem is right now, you're right. after the population has been vaccinated with at least one dose. but for example, a fifth of the population over age 65, no doses at all. many people in the 20, 30, 40 age group have not had vaccinations at all. we will get to see more and more people infected. we're in a race to get as much vaccine in people as possible with the new variant, b-117, which is more infectious than
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the other strains. and if there is a vaccine available, we have a growing number of people who say they will not take the vaccine. that will be a big challenge for us in trying to stop the pandemic. >> so convert it for us in real life. does it continue to mean, masks in public? >> well, that point, as we have seen in michigan, and here in minnesota, vaccine levels can be quite high compared to the rest of the country, we are still seeing case numbers particularly in michigan equivalent to that we had at the worst time last november, and other states that can be on the same projectory, and those settings, what we want to do is make sure that people don't have a lot of direct contact. you can't go back to the old days before covid existed.
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on the other hand, i don't care where you live. if you have six people, three couples who have all been vaccinated, i hope you just have one rip roaring party together and enjoy life. you deserve it. you can see that people can do things with other vaccinated people and feel confident without a mask they can do those things. >> i want to read you a quote that sun fair to the piece from david lampart in "the new york times." he ryes, coming to grips with the comforting realities of post vaccination life will take time for most of us. it's only natural that many vaccinated people continue to harborer rational fears and
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slowly recognizing thatter rationally, do you concur with that? >> yeah, look at you and me. look at ourselves. i haven't been on a plane since a year ago in march. when do i want to get on plane again even though it's vaccinated. i know my chances of getting infected are very, very low. i have that feeling. i think he's on the mark. the concern when we talk about the break through cases, people saying, maybe the vaccine isn't 100% effective. well, it's not going to be. it's going to be very, very good, it's going to be 90, 95% level of infection. and that is what we need to count on now. >> start by going on a twins game. they need you. michael, from the twin cities, thank you for taking our questions. coming up, red state
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>> so we have just been talking about the continued night our country. but israel just took a big step to normalcy. as of yesterday, israelis are no longer required to wear masks outdoors. most of the population of israel is fully vaccinated. this country, the idea of vaccine politics is wrapped up in politics. and a vax seen verification is in use, matt bradley has more to tell us about it. >> they have many on the right fuming. >> government should not require any texan to show proof of vaccination just to go about their daily lives.
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>> the passport is just another way to control the american people. it's anti-thetical. >> vale israelis like karen see liberation. in america, the passport thing, it's controversial. it's like big brother. does it feel like to you? >> no, because i'm on the side, i give my life back. i have nothing to hide. i would like to do whatever i want to. >> reporter: israel's green pass lets them go to restaurants, bars, concerts, sporting events and the gym. it shows when you have been vaccinated, when you had your most recent negative test and personal details. it's a country that is always on
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footing. israeli-american just got to the tel aviv. >> i think there is a little more accepted sense of security. you never worry about people tracking -- you have a security thing hanging over. you have to weigh the pros and the cons. >> reporter: kit be an enticing carrot to the vaccine stick. >> people in the beginning, did not sign up for the vaccination. >> reporter: but it's still controversial here. about a million israelis refuse not to get the vaccine. >> people are asked not to show up at work. the violates fundamental rights of people. >> reporter: israeli's
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international theater went farther. facial recognition. this place has been closed for a year and it's opening under fight restrictions. i haven't been vaccinated. so for me this is where the show stops. those are a vaccine and the passport to prove it. the show must go on. matt bradley, nbc news, tel aviv. coming up for us, remembering one of the most decent people to ever serve in american politics. aving healthy. new crest advanced gum restore... detoxifies below the gum line, and restores by helping heal gums in as little as seven days. crest. the #1 toothpaste brand in america. [ heavy breathing ] allergies with nasal congestion overwhelming you? breathe more freely with powerful claritin-d. claritin-d improves nasal airflow two times more than the leading allergy spray at hour one. [ deep inhale ] claritin-d. get more airflow. i'll be observing your safe-driving abilities. play your cards right, and you could be in for a tasty discount.
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>> when i hear your new ideas, i'm reminded of the ad, where's the beef? mr. reagan will raise taxes and so will i. he won't tell you. i just did. i will not make age an issue of
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this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> we mentioned the death of walter mondale at the top of this broadcast and here is what you need to know about walter fritz mondale and what you will hear in the coming hours and days from anyone who has been around politics, anyone who was any where near walter fritz mondale. he was one of the most recent men to ever serve in the often dirty business of politics. he takes a good deal of the history of the modern democratic party along with limb. he was born in minnesota in 1928. the family name goes back to the roots in norway. unable to afford law school, he
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entered the army and later attended on the g.i. bill. then came politics. minnesota attorney general. when he took over the hubert humphrey seat. he was friends with joe biden. he was the democratic nominee and made history when he selected geraldine ferraro his running mate. he lost his daughter eleanor and wife joan both to brain diseases. he truly tried to make american life better through fair housing and consumer protections, and a host of other issues. as a true minnesotan, he loved his place up at the lake.
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he had a lightning fast sense of humor, always self deprecating. and the quote for his staff. dear team, my time has come. i want to let you know how much you mean to me. never has a public servant had a better group of people working at their side. together we have accomplished so much, and you will keep up the good fight. joe and the white house. i knew it would be okay if i arrive some place and was greeted by one of you. my best to all of you, fritz. the man who made his vice president, jimmy carter, survives him. carter's statement, that mondale
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was the best vice president in our history. and many tail said, we told the truth. we obeyed the law. we kept the peace. a great twi frederick for its mondale. gone at the age of 93. that is our broadcast this monday night as we start a new week together. but the thanks for being here with. us on behalf of all of my colleagues at the metrics of nbc news, goodnight. , goodnight. it was 100 years ago this spring. teenage boy named dick roland, just a teenager, he was at grave risk of being lynched. tulsa oklahoma had defendants dragged out of the courthouse, dragged out of the jail before and lynched in the streets. in may 1921, when dick roland had been arrested in tulsa.

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