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greene appears to be backing away from launching the america first caucus but says she still has a plan to drive president trump's agenda "with my congressional colleagues." >> if you don't knock down the outrageous, racist, most really evil beliefs of republicans and anyone like this, then we will live to repeat the discrimination and persecution of minorities or people who are deemed other in the future. and dr. anthony fauci making the rounds on the sunday shows, discussing the biden administration's vaccine efforts as more than 82 million americans have now been fully vaccinated. dr. fauci is stressing the importance of still taking precautions even after you get
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the shot. >> when you get vaccinated, you are clearly diminishing dramatically your risk of getting infected. however, what happens is that you might get infected and get absolutely no symptoms, not know you're infected, and then inadvertently go into a situation with vulnerable people. and if you don't have a mask, you might inadvertently infect them. in the next few minutes, the america first caucus controversy after i'll talk about the big change in the last 24 hours with congressman seth moulton. and we'll break down president biden's first 100 days with associate press' jonathan lemire. then mehdi hasan on the gop's gradual descent into replacement theory. and the headlines with nbc's
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monica alba covering the president in delaware. we'll start with you, monica. how is the biden administration handling the johnson & johnson vaccine pause? how is that impacting the federal vaccination efforts? >> reporter: health officials, alex, do acknowledge this is a setback in terms of a public health challenge and the issue of vaccine hesitancy. they acknowledge and recognize this is going to be difficult. but they also say it's proof of the system working, that relying on the science, and again, we have to remind our viewers, this is really a rare issue of some blood clots in cases. but it's just six or seven women out of more than 6 million, nearly 7 million, in fact, who got those j&j vaccine shots. but out of an abundance of caution, and this is what dr. fauci was arguing earlier today on "meet the press," they want to be sure they take everything into consideration. and he predicted that this will not just be a pause that extends forever. it is very, very likely to
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resume again, hopefully, he says, within days or weeks, not months. but what the medical adviser to the president is pointing out here that is the critical element is he does believe a warning label is likely, which means when it does come back and is recommended, it's likely to be targeted or steered to certain groups of people. take a listen to what dr. fauci had to say on "meet the press" this morning. >> my estimate is that we will continue to use it in some form. i doubt very seriously that they just cancel it, i don't think that's going to happen. i do think there will likely be some sort of warning or restriction or risk assessment. i don't think it's just going to say, everything's fine, go right back. i think they're likely to say we're going to use it but be careful under certain circumstances. >> reporter: overall, the white house is almost at the 200
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million shots in arms in the first 100 days. in fact if projections continue and we're averaging 3 million a day, they're likely to hit that in the next couple of days, alex. you can expect president biden to speak on this and assure the american public that pfizer or moderna is a fine replacement for the johnson & johnson. we expect to learn more of the fate of the j&j vaccine on friday, when we'll see the meeting between the fda and the cdc to ultimately make a decision on how the vaccination could return to markets. >> thank you, my unflappable friend, with that train whistle in the middle of you talk to me. thank you so much, monica. nbc's amanda golden is on capitol hill where there is new reaction to a plan for a caucus to advance donald trump's
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america first ideology. >> reporter: alex, we're starting to see congresswoman marjorie taylor greene distance herself from documents obtained by punchbowl news that outlined what the america first caucus would look like. it mentioned, quote, a common respect for uniquely anglo-saxon political traditions, and a warning that mass immigration poses a threat to the long term existential future. this comes as marjorie taylor greene's office had previously confirmed to nbc news that this america first caucus was coming but then issued a new statement after further backlash from republican leaders. the new statement says this was an early planning proposal and nothing was agreed to or approved. this doesn't mean that anything was skrabd.
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scrapped. that of me statement from her spokesperson said be on the lookout for the release of the american first caucus platform when it's announced to the public very soon. as i said, these statements come amid growing backlash including from republican leaders. it is swift and bipartisan. we heard from congressman ruben gallego, take a listen to what he shared on msnbc. >> the idea that they're putting this organization together because they want to highlight the superiority of the anglo-saxon culture is absolutely ridiculous and in itself racist. speaker pelosi and leader mccarthy should get together and deny the funds for them to start this caucus, we don't have to fund this caucus, we can just say this caucus should not come into existence because it is clearly a white supremacist caucus. it's an embarrassment to the united states that we do this. we're a multicultural country
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and we're a country that's stronger because we've mixed together to make this country what it is right now. >> reporter: while there was swift bipartisan backlash, there are at least two republican congressman on the record saying they want to or are planning to be a part of this including congressman louie gohmert who told reporters on friday he's looking at joining this and confirmed that marjorie taylor greene was instrumental in getting this off the ground as well as congressman matt gaetz who is currently being investigated for potential sex trafficking and prostitution charges coming up in the next few weeks. a lot to follow, alex. >> thank you for doing so, my friend. thank you, amanda. massachusetts congressman seth moulton, a democratic members of the house armed services committee and budget, transportation, and infrastructure committees joins us. glad to have you back, i really
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enjoyed our last conversation. marjorie taylor greene basically tried to have it both ways, saying she didn't approve the draft of the agenda. even though there may not be an official america first caucus now, how concerned are you about the policy platform document obtained by punchbowl news? is there a constituency for these ideas? >> yes, there is a constituency for these ideas. you listed people like louie gohmert who are part of this caucus. they would have been behind the times in the middle ages. yet here we are in 2021, still having to have this debate on national tv about racism in our heart of government. my colleague and fellow marine, ruben gallego, is absolutely right, this is flatout racism.
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>> i'm going to be to go the congressman in our 2:00 hour as well, i'm sure he will echo those sentiments. house minority leader kevin mccarthy came out indirectly against this, saying, quote, the gop is not the party of nativist dog whistles. this from a congressman who still supports donald trump. >> he hardly ever does anything to stop this. that's what matters here, putting an end to it, showing the american people, the entire world, watching this embarrassment, that we've moved past this as a country. and that we do not allow the behavior of people like marjorie taylor greene to persist in our government. >> where is your party, when you have to clarify, make a statement saying we're not the
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party of nativist dog whistles, how can you gauge that? >> the republican party is obviously completely lost in the sauce, as we like to say in the marines. they don't know what the hell they're doing. as a democrat, i don't look at that as an opportunity, to say this is great because the opposition is a mess. i look at it as an embarrassment. the american people want us to get things done in congress, they want us to act on behalf of all americans. there are americans across the country who are suffering and need our help. but as long as we have to spend our time battling racists within the halls of congress, it's very hard to do the american people's work. now, we will keep doing it, don't get me wrong, we will continue this agenda and keep passing bills out of the democratic house, sending them to the democratic senate to get things done for the american people. but this is another example of the republican party being just a massive roadblock to american
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progress. >> so the president's decision to fully withdraw troops from afghanistan by september 11th, do you agree with it, do you think it's the right time or the right way to leave afghanistan? >> you're asking exactly the right questions, alex. as a veterans who did four tours myself, i want to bring the troops home as much as anyone. but what we can't do is repeat the mistake we made in iraq, we pulled out so hastily, without a plan, that we had to turn around a year or two later to send troops back in and lose more american lives in the process. so we have to be thoughtful about how we do this. if there's one thing we've learned, it's a lot easier to get into these wars than it is to get out of them. >> so the time frame we're talking about, we've got five months or so until the full troop withdrawal. is that enough time to do what
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you're suggesting, be thoughtful about this and do it the right way? >> let me be more specific. when we went into afghanistan, we had a very clear purpose, to stop the threat of terrorism, because terrorist training camps in afghanistan contributed to the attacks on 9/11. we have a continued mission there to prevent terrorism. we have a continued mission to have a base for regional operations like the operation that took out osama bin laden in pakistan. and i think we do have a mission to give the afghan government a chance. when it's the afghan government today that's given millions of afghan girls to go to school. but that's it, those three things. i think we can accomplish those three things with a smaller troop presence. whether or not we can get to zero by september 11th is not something we can predict today. i admire the president's goal but i'll be watching closely from congress to make sure -- and we need to understand, americans need to understand,
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congress needs to understand exactly why the troops are there. >> are you worried, as some of your republicans have quite vociferously said, that there will be another 9/11 style attack in the wake of withdrawing all the u.s. troops, that we have that risk? >> no, not as long as we do what i just said. we can accomplish that mission, to prevent further terrorist training camps in afghanistan, to ensure that we have a regional base of operations. we can do that with smaller troop levels, with a more specialized force. but i want to see the exact plan. and the administration has said a lot of good things about what they want to do and how quickly they want to bring the troops out, but as a member of the house armed services committee, i'm going to be getting into the details. as i said before, i want to bring the troops home as much as
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anyone but the worst thing would be to bring them home and have to turn around and send them back. >> if you want i'll send you a bullhorn, i think what you're saying is absolutely impressive and appropriate. as far as ending visa delays for afghans who have worked with the u.s., why this backlog and how important is it for us to get to as many of these people into safer environments before any withdrawal? >> these are not just afghan heroes or iraqi heroes. these are american heroes. these are young men and women who have put their lives on the line not just for their own country but for ours. and we made a sacred promise to them. i'm not just talking about their government, although we made that promise as the united states of america. i'm talking about individual
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troops on the ground, people like me who worked with these translators. we said, we have your back. if you're willing to risk your life to work with america, we will have your back. and we have forgotten that promise. this is important not just for these lives but for every translator in the future who gets asked by an american serviceman or woman to make a sacrifice for america. that's why this is so important we get this right for national security now. >> put our actions behind the words there. let me take a look at infrastructure with you. negotiations are under way on capitol hill, we have the president's $2 trillion or so plan. listen to this exchange today between two senators from both sides of the aisle about the yd idea of only passing a bill that deals with hard infrastructure. >> if we pass that hard infrastructure bill that i've been urging, then we show our people that we can solve their
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problems. >> i think that's the part we can agree on. so let's do it. and leave the rest for another day and another fight. >> how about you? can you agree on that one? would you support it? >> i mean, that's a great plan for 50 years ago. we're trying to plan for the next 50 years, the next 100 years. we're trying to take a generational opportunity to invest in infrastructure and actually invest in the next generation's infrastructure, not just more 1950s super highways, repairing old bridges that should have been fixed long ago and filling potholes. this is a transformational opportunity for the united states. we'll still be sitting in traffic, maybe in a few more electric vehicles, but we won't be traveling at 250 miles per hour on electric rail. >> congressman seth moulton, come see me again soon, thanks
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new details about the gunman in the mass shooting at a fedex facility in indianapolis. police say he was able to buy two rifles after having a shotgun taken from him. nbc's kathy park joins us from minneapolis. nothing stopped him from buying those rifles after a shotgun taken away, i think that's remarkable. >> reporter: alex, that's the big question a lot of people are asking this morning. i want to start with the mood on the ground. the city is trying to move forward, the healing process has gun. vigils will held yesterday. the big questions are why did
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the suspect carry out this heinous attack on thursday night and where exactly did he get those automatic rifles? the indianapolis community is weigh up with heavy hards, scarred by the latest heavy hearts, scarred by the latest mass shooting, at a fedex facility. eight lives were tragically cut short, when a gunman shot at random before police say he took his own life. in an update, officials said he legally purchased the weapons last summer after police had confiscated his shotgun months before. the shooter's family released a statement on saturday that said in part we are devastated because of the loss of life. we tried to get brandon the help he lead the.
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the local sikh community is devastated by the violence after learning four of their members were victims. >> some husbands lost their wives, some people lost their grandmas. some people lost their mother. >> karlie smith's aunt said she had plans to go to college. >> we're taking it hour by hour. >> matt alexander graduated in 2007. the pain stretching back to the parking lot turned crime scene where families returned to retrieve cars covered in bullets. >> the fact that he's even still alive.
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>> reporter: and alex, as far as the investigation goes, authorities have traced those two automatic rifles but police aren't saying where he purchased those weapons. in indiana a red flag law is in place, it allows law enforcement agencies and courts to seize guns if anyone exhibits any sort of warning signs for violence. but right now it is unclear if the suspect appeared before a judge for this specific ruling, alex. >> this whole story is a gut punch, let alone that sound bite from that woman. absolutely astonished that her father is still alive and breaking down, that was hard. thank you for that. let's go to breaking news out of russia. doctors say imprisoned opposition leader alexei navalny could die at any moment if he doesn't get medical attention
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immediately. he's three weeks into a hunger strike to protest conditions in the russian president. he was arrested in january when he returned to russia from germany after he was poisoned by a nerve agent. let's go to my colleague, nbc's sarah harman. very critical time in this story, sarah. is there any indication that navalny may get the medical attention he needs? >> reporter: hey, alex. russia's ambassador to the uk said today that navalny will not be allowed to die in prison. it's clear his situation is very, very serious. navalny's daughter dasha is a student at fan stanford. she is pleading for her father to receive treatment. he's at risk for kidney failure or a heart attack. this is vladimir putin's most outspoken critic.
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he survived novichok poisoning. he is not receiving adequate medical treatment, that's what triggered his hunger strike. today the u.s. national security adviser said the russians have been told they will be held responsible for what happens to him. take a listen. >> we have communicated to the russian government that what happens to mr. navalny is their custody is their responsibility and they will be held accountable by the international community. in terms of the specific measures that we would undertake, we're looking at a variety of different costs we would impose. i'm not going to telegraph that publicly at this point but we have communicated there will be consequences if mr. navalny dies. >> reporter: now, pressure is ramping up. a number of actors and directors and cultural voices have signed an open letter in "the economist" demanding that
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navalny be allowed to receive medical care. in russia, navalny's supporters are mobilizing for what they're hoping will be the biggest demonstration in modern russian history on wednesday. alex, the question is if navalny will be alive to benefit from that demonstration. >> that is the question, sarah, because i also read an article that his wife went to see him recently and they were of course separated by a glass partition and that he was so weak when she saw him, that when speaking, using a phone, that he had to lie down and stop talking for a while. that's how weak he was. so reiterate one more time for me, you said it's the russian ambassador to the uk who said that he will not be allowed to die in prison, did i hear that correctly? >> reporter: that's right, russia's ambassador to the uk says he will not be allowed to die in prison. that happened today. now, how much stock you're willing to put in that and how much control they have over whether he dies at this point is an open question.
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on the one hand they may be reluctant to make a martyr out of him. this is a man who has a large, vocal backing in russia. on the other hand, as we discussed, he's survived novichok poisoning this year. he wasn't in perfect health to begin with. he's been through a lot, and as you say, so has his family. supporters today around the world will be thinking of him and hoping he gets the medical attention he needs. >> i hadn't thought of the martyrdom position, thank you, sarah, so much. coming up, how russian intel agencies got ahold of crucial polling data and used it to interfere in u.s. presidential elections. . presidential elections. ♪♪ clearly, velveeta melts creamier. keeping your oysters business growing has you swamped. you need to hire. i need indeed indeed you do.
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new revelations on how the russian government reportedly interviewed in the 2016 u.s. election. last week the u.s. treasury
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department released a report accusing konstantin kilimnik of passing internal campaign strategy and polling data to russian intelligence. here to break this down for us is "new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst peter baker. peter, this report shows a direct links to russian intelligence agencies interfering in the 2016 election to benefit donald trump. >> this is a very important development. it adds one more link to the chain we knew before. we knew before from robert mueller's special counsel report that paul manafort who was president trump's campaign chairman for a time in 2016 passed along polling data to konstantin kilimnik, identified by the mueller team as a suspected russian intelligence officer. since then, the senate intelligence committee came out and said flatly that konstantin kilimnik is a russian intelligence officer, not just suspected.
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and this report says konstantin kilimnik passed along that polling data to russian intelligence agencies who were behind the interference in the election. this polling data in theory could have been used to help guide their efforts to, for instance, target voters with disinformation through social media or other tactics that they used. that's the question we don't know right now. that's certainly the implication of this. it completes the knot a little bit. we didn't know for sure that kilimnick had given this data to russian intelligence agencies, and now we know that. that's an important development. >> a "new york times" piece writes, having the polling data would have allowed russia to better understand the trump campaign strategy including where the campaign was focusing resources at a time when the russian government was carrying out its own efforts to undermine donald j. trump's opponent. we know that was hillary clinton. but can you sort of get practical on me here, how this
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data would have been used? >> it depends on the kind of data you have. there was very clear targeting by the russian intelligence agencies on voters in particular communities, particularly parts of the country. if they had polling data to break down where swing states were, that would have guided them in their efforts to make sure they were hitting the voting blocks they wanted to hit. they wanted discredit hillary clinton and wanted to build up support for donald trump, apparently in different communities. that's where the polling data could have been critical. >> okay. let's get to the u.s. having announced the new sanctions on russia this week in retaliation for the country's involvement in the elections. let's take a listen to what president biden had to say. here it is. >> i was clear with president putin that we could have gone further but i chose not to do so. i chose to be proportionate. the united states is not looking
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to kick off a cycle of escalation and conflict with russia. we want a stable, predictable relationship. if russia continues to interfere with our democracy, i'm prepared to take further actions to respond. >> what's going to happen next? >> that's a good question. joe biden, president biden, in that statement made no mention of alexei navalny. when you hear his national security adviser say there will be consequences if he dies, there have not been consequences so far for trying to kill him in the past, and there are no consequences for navalny being in prison on trumped-up political charges. at the same time, president biden is talking about having a summit with president putin this summer. that may be a stalling tactic, right now there are something like 80 to 100,000 russian troops gathering on the border of ukraine. it's a very big concern right now in the west, in washington, especially in kiev, is russia
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planning to do something against its western neighbor once again? one of the things president biden might be tried to do with this summit invitation is put off any actual actions, if there's a summit coming up, presumably moscow would not suddenly invade a neighbor, that would be the theory. the question is, you're sending mixed messages, imposing sanctions and saying tough things and on the other hand saying, let's meet, let's find a working relationship. how you find that balance and what the impact is on putin is the real question. >> a working relationship how? would there ever be real trust between joe biden and vladimir putin? and when it comes to holding vladimir putin accountable if navalny dies, it would seem that accountable has eluded vladimir putin in the past. is there anything that conceivably could be done to vladimir putin to hold him accountable in the world's eyes if alexei navalny dies? >> it's hard to see what that
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would be, that at least the united states would be willing to do. america, under presidents obama and trump, have from time to time imposed sanctions or expelled diplomats but have held back from pulling the trigger on truly punitive economic actions that would genuinely get his attention. they have not done things to expose his sources of his own personal wealth, something people talked about doing but not really followed up on. there's a lot of things america has not done in the interests of not escalating, as president biden put it. the question is how far can you go to get his attention without escalating it into a conflict you don't want. can you find ways to work with russia? there are places where america and russia do work together. we actually have a space cooperation that has continued through all these years of tension. obviously we just re-upped the new s.t.a.r.t. arms control treaty which includes verification, important to both
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countries, that was renewed under president biden. we're heading into a cycle of continuing and possibly escalating conflict. where it ends is really unknown. >> i'm betting everything you just said is ricochetting around the white house right now. peter baker, thank you very much, my friend, good to see you. firebrand conservative republicans seem to be embracing a new theory, going to extremes, next. mes, next struggling to manage my type 2 diabetes was knocking me out of my zone, but lowering my a1c with once-weekly ozempic® helped me get back in it. ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic® ♪ my zone? lowering my a1c and losing some weight. now, back to the show. ozempic® is proven to lower a1c. most people who took ozempic® reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it.
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get out of the way! get out of the water! >> wow. can you imagine? this stunning scene yesterday during an air show in cocoa beach, florida. a world war ii era plane, obviously having mechanical problems while performing in the show. the pilot was forced to make an emergency landing in the ocean. shocked beachgoers could do nothing but record it on their cellphones. we're glad to report no injuries, that includes the pilot who got out of that plane. just over 100 days since protesters stormed capitol hill, and we're still learning new details about what happened during the january 6th insurrection and what went wrong. my colleague vaughn hillyard joins me from capitol hill. vaughn, will come to you. is there still all the extra protection up in the area? i see a bit of the fence behind
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you. that and more. >> reporter: yeah, that's a nine-foot fence that remains here. i'm going to have charles pan over here so you can see what the setup still looks like. there's been these conversations ongoing, that alex, you and i have been having about what the security perimeter will look like. we still see thousands of national guards members still on active duty, deployed here on the capitol grounds. you still see this nine-foot fence standing. you can see the folks talking to capitol police. the reason the fence remains is there are still deficiencies within the capitol police department that remain. this thursday, ig michael bolton of the capitol police released preliminary finding from a report he has been working on ever since january 6th. he testified in front of the house committee about the
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deficiencies with equipment, deficiencies in training, deficiencies in leadership, just noting an example, that the capitol police did not -- were not carrying initially heavy munitions, some of these stun grenades that could have helped push back those thousands that were invading the capitol. he said the capitol police lacked the intelligence, and that is where, from this exchange you'll hear on capitol hill, him talk about the need for the capitol police to invest in an intelligence bureau. take a listen. >> we're going to be recommending some elements within the capitol police be moved over to that intelligence bureau. it needs to be elevated to a bureau level. with that said, they need additional training within the analysts who are going through the intelligence as it comes in, being trained to be able to read it, understand it, disseminate it, and have the knowledge. >> reporter: alex, it is these deficiencies, including if you
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look at the equipment, ig bolton also noting that the capitol police the day of the attack, several of their shields, they shattered because of either old age or the way in which they were stored. again, we're only 100 days removed from january 6th, and as michael bolton was laying out there, that there are enhancements, improvements, and investments and increased personnel that need to be added to this police force in order for these type of barriers to come down because this is still an active situation where you have a capitol police force that need the aid of national guard until some of these significant changes can come down. >> it is still so hard to see that video of the officers being attacked. let me ask you quickly, because it looks like a beautiful day there, is anyone on the grounds behind you? i was looking to see if anybody is walking on the beautiful lawns, or is it completely clear? >> reporter: yeah, charles, if you can pan over here for everybody, this is a beautiful day, the most beautiful saturday we've had in washington, d.c.
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you can see folks here that are still able to get somewhat close here. >> but not on the other side of the folks. >> reporter: not on the other side of the fence. charles, swing back around. if folks haven't had the chance to come to washington, d.c. before, hopefully you all get the chance to come here in a couple of months because usually you can walk right up to the steps there. july 4th, you've got fireworks on the entire west lawn, everybody is able to watch from the steps of the capitol, there's a memorial day concert that takes place. we're getting closer but clear investments need to be made in the capitol police force before we can get to that day. >> dan callaway, democratic strategist and founder of the national voter protection action fund, msnbc political analyst susan del percio, and director of the republican accountability probably, olivia troy, and
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they're all three good friends of mine. dan, this america first caucus effort surfaces. what do you think this is all about? what's your initial reaction? does it surprise you? >> yeah, yeah. honestly, it does surprise me. but it shouldn't. this is the natural outgrowth of a 50-year death march that the national republican party has been on, from the days of lee atwater and roger stone being given the keys to draft the philosophy and messaging platforms of the party. since the rise of the tea party, we're seeing it's okay to say the most abhorrent, most racist, most despicable things in the world out loud. now the lauren boeberts of the world, the marjorie taylor greenes of the world, they have won the contest to see who can say the craziest thing the
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loudest and longest. that's where the growth segment of the republican party is. so olivia, congratulation, you've got a hell of a project. >> you mentioned the late lee atwater. the volume and the way people are expressing things, was that all licensed by donald trump, did he give license to be able to do that? >> no, i think the republican party gave license to it in 2010 when we saw these terrible elements but they were willing to accept them because they were voting republican and donald trump was the force multiplier who blew it all out of the water. >> olivia, let's take a listen to house minority leader kevin mccarthy, let's look at the tweet, he vaguely dismisses this effort. but here is what democratic congressman mark veasey told me yesterday. >> i don't think that minority leader mccarthy's pushback was
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enough. he needs to come right out and say that this caucus is racist and that it's divisive and that it's not about america. you know, just kind of dancing around it and not calling her out for this is absolutely unacceptable. they have got to do better. >> do you think based on what i was saying to don, is donald trump still in the gop bloodstream so deeply that mccarthy cannot denounce these efforts without igniting backlash from the trumpian base? or is it something else? >> no, i think that's fair to say, that people are still fearful of the trump base. you're seeing some of these elected officials continue to fund raise and they're doing quite well on this trump base. however, i will say mccarthy and mcconnell, who, by the way, has been completely silent, nobody
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has heard any pushback from him on this type of rhetoric, they're all complicit in enabling this dangerous theory that is based actually in far right white supremacist conspiracy theories that have also been subscribed to by people who have done mass shootings, in pittsburgh, christchurch, el paso. so not only are you espousing racism, but you're also enabling and giving a platform to a very dangerous movement that can lead to very violent things. >> can i ask you quickly, when you mentioned mitch mcconnell, is there any chance that he sees this and says, oh, my god, i'm not even touching that? could that be part of his strong? >> it could be. the problem is there's a whole audience out there that's paying attention to it. and she is imboldemboldening th people, who say, we have people in elected office who are
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standing with us. representative louie gohmert in texas certainly part of it, he was listed in that and enabling it. so i think that mcconnell needs to be calling this out. and he may say, yeah, marjorie taylor between, she's crazy, taylor greene, she's crazy and we want nothing to do with her in the gop, but guess what -- >> she's there. >> -- she's in the party right now. >> 74 million americans did the voting for donald trump, right? is there any way to guess how many of those could be in support of an america first caucus? is there a strong connection? >> well, i'm not going to guess that, but i can tell you marjorie taylor greene did raise over $3 million and she's just a freshman congresswoman from georgia with no committee assignments and that was done at a national effort. i would also like to say what was also done at a national effort is the name of the caucus is the america first caucus.
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you know what, alex, what happened about five days ago? the american first policy institute was announced. and that's comprised of former trump officials. and i certainly believe, when you start looking at some of the rhetoric from the, quote, nonprofit, nonpartisan america first policy institute, it's just ramped up in this caucus document. and it's very clear. the caucus says they are following donald trump's footsteps. this is a caucus of race, hate, and i do belief you can connect the two. as far as those 74 million people who follow donald trump, i don't know that they follow everybody else because only donald trump seems to be doing donald trump. but donald trump is certainly trying to get -- keep his grips on a certain message out there that he cannot do because he's no longer on twitter. >> yeah. we're going to have you continue to follow that institute because
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that is quite stunning, that revelation. don, since you're the resident voting rights expert, there has been an issue, this headline, the gop's gradual descent into replacement theory and nativist dog whistles. what's the replacement theory? >> so, it's the idea that we did not see this in 1985 but social science knew it was happening. it's the idea that very soon in our lifetimes this country will be a nonmajority white plurality, if you will. the growth energy right now on the gop, of course not all republicans but the loudest segments of republican political leadership is actively trying to prevent that from happening. what you saw on january 6th was a visceral knee-jerk reaction with people trying to install politicians and keep those out of place who would install
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politicians who would slow the browning of america. the vitriol is an idea this country will be non-white majority very soon and they're not very interested in promoting a vibrant multiracial democracy. they're much more interested in keeping white majority. that's what you're seeing. active efforts to maintain white political opposed to opening the doors to a multiracial democracy. >> we'll be talking about that again. don and susan and olivia, thank you so much. too much supply, not enough demand. next we'll take you to a state where tens of thousands of vaccine appointments have no one signing up. inappointments have e signing up hello this is vanilla.
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