tv Yasmin Vossoughian Reports MSNBC April 17, 2021 12:00pm-1:00pm PDT
♪♪ good afternoon, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. we have a lot of ground to cover with a team of correspondents covering it all for us. controversial congresswoman marjorie taylor greene lashing out in a new statement over attacks of her new effort in congress that one of her colleagues is labeling the ku klux caucus. new flash points in the debate over police and race. and new information on the victims and the gunman in a shooting at a fedex workplace in
indianapolis. plus, england and its queen say good-bye to prince philip as a fractured family gathers to mourn. all of that is coming up. but we want to start with that breaking news. in just the past two hours, ultraconservative congresswoman marjorie taylor greene lashing out after details of plans for a so-called america first caucus were leaked to the media. the platform allegedly backed by greene and ultraconservatives aims to promote, quote, uniquely anglo-saxon traditions. greene now says the scum and liars in the media are calling me a racist by taking something out of context. i have plans to drive president trump's america first agenda with my congressional colleagues, but we won't let the media or anyone else push the narrative. i want to bring in nbc's ali vitali who's in washington for us covering this and from punch bowl, the first news organization to print the details about the platform, john.
ali, i want to start with you because it doesn't seem like marjorie taylor greene is denying that this exists, just that it's being misrepresented. >> reporter: yeah, she's not denying it, and in fact, she's passing the blame in that statement that you read a piece of, she basically goes on to say that this is not a document that she saw, that it was staff level from an outside group, really passing this off on to her staff, but you also saw that colorful statement, went after the media. that's a narrative that her own spokesman began right after the folks at punch bowl news broke this document. in it, her spokesperson says, capitol hill is full of dirty, back-stabbing swamp creatures willing to leak gossip to borderline tabloids, attacking my colleague here in boxes for breaking this story, which clearly, if you look at the comments that she made in this statement, she's saying that the narrative here is being misrepresented, but not that the document is false or fake, just
that it wasn't necessarily ready to be made public yet. the backlash, i'll use words that we don't often here on capitol hill, has been swift and bipartisan, though. look even at this tweet from republican congressman adam kinzinger, in which he says anyone that joins this caucus should have their committees stripped and the gop conference should expel them from participation. that's actually something that has already happened to greene. she's been stripped of her committees here. but kinzinger also urging that republicans should make clear that while these people might have rs next to their names, these ideas are not things that the republican party embraces and, in fact, it's things that they will quickly speak out against. now, house minority leader kevin mccarthy is speaking out against this indirectly referencing this america first caucus in which he says the gop is the party of lincoln, not nativist dog whistles but look, yasmin, all
of this comes after four years of president donald trump, who continuously, we all covered this, would dog whistle to his supporters, to white supremacists and then ultimately in the final weeks of his time in the white house, dog whistling to insurrectionists, and so as much as it's disheartening and concerning to see this rhetoric come to capitol hill, it's also a continuation from the republican party's biggest member, donald trump. >> all right, john, we wanted to bring you on to respond, essentially, to marjorie taylor greene's statement and ali read some of it but i want to reread it for folks to understand. she wrote on friday, sick and evil p.o.s. in the media attacked me with phrases i never said or wrote. they released a staff level draft proposal from an outside group that i had not read. what does your reporting indicate here, john? >> well, thanks for having us on. a couple things, i would say. first of all, we got it from a hill source. we got it on the hill. it was being circulated on the hill.
to other republican offices, let me just put it that way. i have to be careful how we characterize it. we didn't write it, of course, and we provided the document to congresswoman greene's office before we ran our story. they knew exactly what we were writing and we provided the document to them. they never denied having a role in this group, and they didn't say anything about the document itself. i mean, the -- literally the document that we posted, we gave to them first, of course. that would be our responsibility as journalists, and you know, they just attacked us as, you know, borderline tabloids, so -- and then of course, i feel like, echoing what ali said also, i mean i feel like with all due respect to the congresswoman, this feels like a second-day statement. they're getting beat up on this pretty badly. it's the document itself is pretty -- pretty bad, be so you know, i think this is trying to be, you know, instead of denying
that this is what their position is, they're attacking us for saying that this is it. so, they knew what was in it. they knew what, you know, we told them what we were writing. they gave us the original statement. so, you know, they're trying to blame us for what they did. >> so, do you have any reporting to indicate that she actually read this document, john? >> well, i know her office was aware of the document. i know when we talked to their office, they said they were -- they were involved, as of yesterday, were involved in planning on it. so yeah, that's -- i can't say directly she knew it but her staff knew about it so it's the same thing for us. >> all right, amazing. ali vitali, john, thank you as well. by the way, at 4:00 p.m., our power panel of analysts breaks down this america first caucus and the large e implications as the republican party continues to splinter in the post-trump era. we're also following breaking news out of the state
of nebraska. police are responding to a shooting at a mall in omaha. officers saying one victim is in critical condition after the shooting at westroads mall. they said the shooter got away and a search is happening now. police are asking people to avoid that area. this information is coming into our news room right now so we are going to keep you updated on that as it develops. i want to turn now to minnesota where a protest in honor of george floyd is scheduled to begin right now in minneapolis and in brooklyn center as well. fears of another night of tense protests are growing after the death of daunte wright. let's bring in cal perry in brooklyn center for us. cal, good to see you. this rally for floyd is coming, of course, as the chauvin trial wraps up with closing arguments beginning on monday. what more do you have on the developments today? >> reporter: yeah, look, the jury is going to get this case on monday, and then we wait. we wait for the jury to decide on and again it's worth reminding our viewers, three
charges, two murder charges, second degree and third-degree murder and then a manslaughter. there's a fear here in brooklyn center, fresh on what we saw happen to daunte wright, that the jury could acquit on two of the murder charges and convict on a manslaughter charge. people here, when it comes to daunte wright, killed at the hands of a police officer who said she thought she used her taser, people want murder to be one of the charges on that officer. that officer has only been charged with one manslaughter charge but it is possible the county attorney could add charges. the stories are really inextricably linked now. you have the trial going on from where i am and so the protests in many ways have started to merge between that site in downtown minneapolis and where i am here in brooklyn center, yasmin. >> we have had consecutive nights of protests in the state of minnesota. how is the city, cal, preparing this weekend, especially, for more potential protests? >> reporter: yeah, so, driving around this city, it is a
militarized city at the moment. you have hundreds of national guard members around the downtown area on almost every corner. here in brooklyn center, it is packed with law enforcement, whether it's the sheriff's office, the state police, or the national guard, and every single night here, the protests have been broken up with mass arrests, over 100 people arrested last night. that's the highest number we've seen since the protests began, and again, these are largely peaceful protests that change in tone at around 10:00 p.m. and especially change when the police sort of come in. the people who live on this street are basically living under siege. take a listen to what one resident had to say. >> you couldn't tell me that i would be watching this in front of my house, never. ever. like ever. so, ten years from now, i just pray that there's change. we don't have to keep doing the same thing. i hope the cycle ends, because it's pitiful and it's sad. >> reporter: once that jury starts deliberating, you're going to see that security increase even more and it was
just announced yesterday that public schools in the minneapolis area will be shut from wednesday, yasmin. >> don't we all hope the cycle ends. nbc's cal perry, my friend in brooklyn center, minnesota. good to see you. stay safe. president biden backtracking this weekend on his initial decision to keep donald trump's cap on the number of refugees entering the u.s. it's coming after the reports that the administration would limit refugee admissions to 15,000 a year, drawing swift and harsh criticism from inside his own party. let's bring in monica alba, who's in wilmington, delaware, for us. there's been a lot of back and forth about this, especially yesterday. where are we right now when it comes to the refugee cap, and why did the president essentially change his stance on this so quickly? >> reporter: a ton of back and forth, yasmin, and that's really because there was such fierce blowback to this, which the white house really rolled out in quite a confusing manner. for weeks, they had been asked whether the president was going
to keep his campaign promise of raising the refugee cap from where it had been at 15,000, which was historically low under former president donald trump, and essentially the press secretary kept punting that, saying that the president was committed to increasing it from that but that she couldn't necessarily say when and how that was going to happen. then yesterday, they put out a statement saying they were going to actually keep it at 15,000, but attempt to fast track some applications and do some reallotment within that. then you had democrats essentially calling that, quote, unacceptable, unconscionable, even very close allies of the president, like senator dick durbin really pleading with the president to change his mind. so that's when you had jen psaki issuing a later statement. this all happened in the span of about three hours where she acknowledged the confusion created by the white house and said that under a review period, the president would be able to make a determination about a month from now about how he can
increase that, but what's really critical to underscore here, yasmin, is that it won't be up to 62,000 refugees, which is what he had initially hinted he was going to want to pursue. at least not this fiscal year. it's possible he can increase it again next year but we're talking about people who are waiting in line, refugees who have been cleared to come to the united states who are now also very much in limbo, given this pause, really, as they continue to assess what to do, and it's really been on immigration where this white house so far has had the most challenges in terms of trying to justify their decision making here. >> yeah, at this very moment, it certainly leaves a lot of folks in limbo to say the least. you also have an update, monica, on proof of russian interference with the 2016 election involving former trump campaign chair, specifically, paul manafort. what do you know? what's the update? >> reporter: well, this was a pretty district revelation from
the treasury department on thursday as a part of those russian sanctions that were announced specifically against konstantin kilimnik, who is ukrainian russian born and who had worked with paul manafort, of course, former president trump's campaign chairman in part for 2016 and what this treasury release said, quite explicitly was they believe paul manafort passed campaign and polling data to kilimnik who then passed that along to the russians so essentially working as a russian intelligence officer, and the reason that that is notable is that the mueller report and investigation in 2019 never went that far. of course, it was investigating collusion, but it didn't come to that conclusion, and neither did a bipartisan senate report, so the fact that now you do have the biden administration's own treasury department acknowledging this linkage is, of course, very notable and interesting for a couple of reasons. but what we don't know about this and what we need to be very careful about, yasmin, is we don't know whether this new
intelligence was developed under the trump administration or if it's something new that has happened just in these first 90 days or so of the biden administration. something else to watch there, though, as of course these tense relations between the u.s. and russia continue and this question of a summit in europe over the summer lingers and hovers over all of it. >> yeah. an important unknown detail for sure. nbc's monica alba in washington. thanks, monica. still ahead, everybody, remembering prince philip, honoring the royal family's patriarch in the midst of a pandemic. the powerful and poignant moments from this scaled-down and socially distanced ceremony. ♪♪ i am robert strickler. i've been involved in communications in the media for 45 years. i've been taking prevagen on a regular basis for at least eight years.
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♪♪ welcome back, everybody. it was certainly a somber day for the royal family as prince philip was laid to rest at windsor castle, in a service attended by only 30 close family members, the funeral was a reflection of the late duke of edinburgh's own wishes for a quiet ceremony punctuated by tributes from the royal navy in which he once served but it was also a reflection of a nation, still gripped by this pandemic, and a family whose personal squabbles in recent months have spilled once again into the public eye. with me now are nbc's raf
sanchez in london for us and rachel bowie, co-host of the royally obsessed podcast produced by pure wow. welcome to you both, guys. really appreciate it. raf, i want to start with you on this one. it was an incredibly emotional day for the royal family and for the uk as a whole. how did the crown and the country honor prince philip today? >> reporter: yasmin, prince philip was honored with a funeral that was scaled way back because of covid but still very much in line with what he wanted. it was formal. there was no eulogy. but if you knew where to look, you could see his personal touches all the way through. i'll give you one example. he chose all of the music, and many of the hymns were linked to the sea or to sailing, and that was a nod to his decorated service as a british naval officer during the second world war. i would say there were two big moments that jumped out. the first, the queen, 94 years old, sitting alone in that first pew at st. george's chapel,
masked, saying good-bye to her husband of 73 years. it was a poignant moment, but it was also a reminder that in some ways, today is the beginning of the end of an era for that older generation of royals and we are looking to the younger royals to lead the british monarchy forward into the future. speaking of the younger royals, we saw prince harry and prince william today, together for the first time since that explosive interview with oprah winfrey. they walked out of the chapel together. they were chatting. they had kate with them. we obviously don't know what was said but i think if you're someone who cares about the future of the british monarchy, it was encouraging to see these two princes together after what's clearly been a difficult few months between them. yasmin? >> yeah, raf, you mentioned that picture of the queen sitting all by herself. that was certainly a picture i feel like that will span history. it was a picture that we will continue to see over and over again as a reflection of the time in which prince philip died
and she was left alone during a pandemic. rachel, let's talk about the relationship between the princes, that is william and harry, after that explosive oprah interview. as raf mentioned, they were walking together with kate alongside them. they were chatting. there seemed to be some smiles or some camaraderie to say the least. could this lead us to believe, essentially, that they have reconciled? put their differences aside? >> i mean, i think that moment in particular was really poignant and touching for me to see, watching from home. i mean, there was so much discussion in advance about the fact that the brothers would not be walking side-by-side and instead they'd be separate bid their cousin, peter phillips, princess ann's son and it was notable to me that he trailed half a step behind so we got some visuals of them outside together but i think just kind of seeing them together, they were so relaxed and at ease. when they shed their masks, it was the polar opposite of the
last royal occasion we saw them together at which was commonwealth day in march 2020. >> raf, how is this going to change the queen's reign going forward, seeing she has now lost her prince, who she considered her rock? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. at her side for nearly three quarters of a century. the queen is 95 years old next week. it's her birthday. she is in robust health as far as we know. but she has been scaling back her royal duties. for example, she hasn't traveled abroad since 2015. she has relied on prince charles, on other younger members of the royal family to represent her. she calls them my substitutes. and i think that is a trend that we are only going to see more of going forward. one thing that has changed, buckingham palace, behind me, is not really where she lives anymore. she is living now pretty much full-time at windsor castle, so we are starting to see the long
reign of queen elizabeth ii change. it will continue, but it's certainly changing, yasmin. >> all right, nbc's raf sanchez in london and rachel bowie, thank you both. coming up, new information in the deadly fedex shooting in indianapolis. plus covid concerns from the johnson & johnson pause to the possibility of a third shot that we'll have to get. what you need to know coming up. we'll have to get. what you need to know comingp. u ice t, stone cold calling on everyone to turn to cold washing with tide. ♪ this is a cold call! ♪ hello, my name is ice t. can you spare a few seconds to learn about cold water washing with tide? hi my name is steve. did you know washing in cold can save you $100 a year on your energy bill. why wouldn't you turn to cold?
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welcome back, everybody. new information we learned a short time ago about the victims in a deadly shooting at a fedex facility in indianapolis. the fbi has also revealed it interviewed the suspected gunman last year after his own mother called the police. i want to bring in nbc's cathy park who's following this for us. good to see you. what do we know about the names of the victims right now, and what more are we learning about the gunman?
>> reporter: well, yasmin, good afternoon to you. well, all of the victims have been identified, all eight of them and they range in age from 19 to 74. they were mothers, they were grandmothers, husbands, in fact, just a few moments ago, i had a chance to speak with a close family friend of two of the victims, jaswinder kaur and i can tell you there is a whole lot of pain. they are grieving today. they were supposed to be celebrating the birthday of a toddler, a 2-year-old, and now they are making funeral arrangements. take a listen. >> our son's never going to see his mom again. and she's not going to have any parents left anymore. she doesn't know parents. no mom, dad, both gone. it's hard. there's always going to be a fear in our heart now that if our loved one going to the grocery, are they going to come back or not? that's still going to be there.
>> reporter: and yasmin, behind me, at this facility, most of the crime tape has been removed but this is still very much an active investigation. you might still see some folks moving around behind me. this activity just kind of picked up in the last few minutes or so. we have seen crews just kind of coming around this building, picking up debris, but as far as the investigation goes, we know that the fbi was at the suspect's home yesterday, pulling evidence, and they will be combing through that evidence and possibly figuring out a motive, but we know that this shooting took place late thursday night. we are told by police that the gunman began the rampage at the parking lot behind me first, killing four, and then made his move inside, killing four others before taking his own life. and as you mentioned earlier, he
was on the radar of law enforcement last year and it was flagged by his own mother, yasmin. >> all right, nbc's kathy park for us in indianapolis. thank you, kathy. coming up at 4:00 p.m., by the way, after a year in this pandemic, an american norm we hoped would never return emerges in a month of carnage. from atlanta to indianapolis, in our next hour, we're going to talk to nevada congresswoman dina titus about why lawmakers cannot seem to act on gun violence. why they can't get things changed. you won't want to miss that conversation right here at 4:00 p.m. ethics violations. former secretary of state mike pompeo committing many while in office. that is according to a new report from the state department's inspector general. it found that pompeo and his wife made more than 100 requests for employees to do work that, quote, appeared to be personal in nature. they asked staffers to run personal errands, make restaurant reservations, and take care of their dog.
and of course, since pompeo is no longer in office, he will not be disciplined or punished. all right, long-time trump associate roger stone says he will fight new charges from the department of justice. they allege he and his wife owe nearly $2 million in unpaid taxes and fees. stone previously received a commutation from former president trump after being convicted of lying to congress about coordination with wikileaks to dig up dirt on hillary clinton. this new suit from the d.o.j. alleges the couple used a commercial entity to shield their personal income and fund a lavish lifestyle. also the cdc's independent vaccine advisory panel is scheduled to meet next friday. the second time since the johnson & johnson vaccine was halted in the united states, the pause will more than likely last another week as doctors examine the troubling link between the vaccine and life-threatening blood clots in some recipients. with me now, msnbc medical
contributor dr. kavita patel. you've been talking all week about kind of the effects and have the pause in the johnson & johnson vaccine. do you expect this pause of possibly up to two weeks, if not more, to affect biden's plans going forward with millions and millions of americans getting vaccinated? >> yeah, yasmin, great question. not in the long-term. in the short-term, it's causing hiccups, definitely, but as the president has stated, they have enough moderna and pfizer doses to sufficiently vaccinate the entire united states and probably then some. so, the problem is going to come with the timing of it all, because we were depending on j&j, especially for some certain populations, and those will continue to be a challenge over the next several weeks. >> let's talk about something the ceo of pfizer said earlier this week, that a third dose of the vaccine is likely within 12 months. does that mean we can expect
this vaccine to act somewhat like the flu vaccine where we are getting yearly flu shots? >> yeah, we've been all kind of wondering if that would happen. i think the emergence of many of the variants, not just the ones we've talked about before, but even some newer ones, home grown as well as other ones around the country -- around the globe are causing all of us to wonder, could this be a more regular vaccine process like the flu shot? at a minimum, we know we're probably going to need boosters to deal with those variants as well as to deal with the fact that immunity doesn't last forever. we don't know how long it does. we know that it will go down over time. that's just expected. so it is possible that this will become part of our regular cadence. i think, yasmin, that's an important point, though. it's why we need to figure out how to get vaccines to people safely as well as efficiently. if we have to do this every year, imagine kind of the surge it's going to create on the healthcare system if we don't figure out how to do it smarter
and better. >> let's talk about cdc director dr. rochelle walensky. you know well there's somewhat of a spring surge going on right now. i think you have 47,000 folks right now living -- excuse me -- hospitalized across this country. there's been a spike in covid cases across this country as well. dr. rochelle walensky had this to say about what's happening, specifically in michigan. take a listen. >> when you have an acute situation, extraordinary number of cases like we have in michigan, the answer is not necessarily to give vaccine. in fact, we know that the vaccine will have a delayed response. the answer to that is to really close things down. >> in fact, dr. patel, michigan requested more vaccines but the biden administration said, no. so, is it time, as we're seeing a spring surge across this country in certain areas, to shut things down? >> yeah, i think it's time to shut certain things down.
i think there's no question, yasmin, that american public, no matter where you live, does not want to shut down the country like we had to do last year, but it is reasonable, yasmin, to say no to certain youth sports, especially in the 12 to 19 age group. it's also very reasonable to say that we need indoor limits on places like bars and restaurants where you could get close together, and i will stress this more than anything. we need to have even mask wearing. i don't even want to call it a mandate anymore. i'm just going to say this. the one thing that you can do to protect yourself and others, even if you're vaccinated, is to wear a mask over your mouth and nose. that much, we can do. and we need to keep up testing. if people -- we have 5,800 people that had infections after getting vaccinated. we expected less than 1% but we need people to continue to get tested if they're symptomatic or if they're worried that they have it so that we can pick up these cases that could infect others. that's what's going to make a huge difference today, along with vaccinating the rest of the country. we're almost at halfway with the country, but we still have a
ways to go. >> all right, dr. kavita patel, thank you. i want to bring in cori coffin now who's standing by for us in connecticut as we talk about a really successful vaccine rollout, right, in that state, but you're also seeing surges as i just mentioned to dr. patel. what can you tell us about how the j&j pause is affecting the rollout specifically in connecticut right now, cori? >> reporter: yeah, yasmin, there's two factors at play here. as the cases start to rise again here in connecticut, health officials are frustrated that, you know, we have this pause coming up. they're worried about what this might mean. locally, i'm told that folks are still very, very adamant about getting the vaccine, pfizer or moderna, and they are going to make up the -- the governor says they're going to make up for the pause with more doses of pfizer and moderna. but in the meantime, statewide, there are some vaccine sites, not including the one behind us,
which has been very busy all day. there are some vaccine sites that have seen canceled appointments and have had to adjust and change what they're doing strategy-wise. so we have seen a decline and that's really not what you want to see right as we hit a potential fourth wave here in the state of connecticut, one of the first states to go ahead and do that pause of johnson & johnson. i spoke to some of the folks getting vaccinated out here today. does the recent news make you feel hesitant? have you heard anybody who feels that way? listen to what one high school senior who's getting vaccinated for college had to tell me. >> i think they should just take it. i think it's really important so we can move on. and they could spend time with their loved ones and their friends and do the things that they enjoy. >> reporter: and listen, we're talking about connecticut, but even universally here around the country, dr. fauci had said something similar. he said the same system that caught those six cases when it comes to the johnson & johnson vaccine, has also been applied to pfizer and moderna, has found
no cases in that sense, so he does want to echo that confidence that people should still feel confident getting vaccinated, even without the johnson & johnson vaccine, and of course we have heard, yasmin, from the white house saying this will not affect their overall national strategy. they feel they have enough supply to continue on with their national goals and make sure that every adult can be vaccinated as soon as possible. >> all right, cori coffin for us, thank you, cori. still ahead, everybody, in their own words. the harrowing moments of the insurrection from those charged with defending the capitol. thos with defending the capitol >> it was all these surreal things, like, this cannot be happening. this cannot be happening. this cannot be happening. this cant nobe happening we started with computers. we didn't stop at computers. we didn't stop at storage or cloud. we kept going. working with our customers to enable the kind of technology that can guide an astronaut back to safety. and help make a hospital come to you, instead of you going to it.
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the capitol and they're cheering it on at one point. they're saying, go, go, go. keep going. >> when joe biden is inaugurated on january 20th, are you going to accept him as your president? >> it's going to be chaos. do you think anybody here is going to accept that? no. you're talking about a civil war. >> it is just unbelievable to see in-person, nicole and brian, what i have been witnessing all day. i was actually just speaking to someone, a man who came up from florida. he doesn't know how many days he's actually going to be here. he said himself he is part of a militia group in the state of florida. he breached the capitol building. think about how depressing this is. he said, the next time we're going to come back with weapons. that's teargas. that's teargas, guys. let's move this way. let's move away. >> wow. takes me back. that was 101 days ago as i covered the deadly january 6th capitol hill roits riots.
yesterday on the 100th day, federal prosecutors secured their first guilty verdict. jon schaffer pled guilty to multiple felonies including unlawfully entering congress and obstructing an official proceeding and is cooperating currently with authorities. prosecutors say that the oath keepers and the proud boys both far right groups were at the forefront of planning for violence on january 6th. overall, more than 410 people in at least 45 states have been arrested in connection to this attack. and the wounds from january 6th are still fresh for those on the front lines in washington. nbc's congressional producer, frank thorpe, spoke with some of those inside the capitol that day. as part of a special report called "after the riot." here's a part of that story. >> the crowd is using munitions against us. >> probably what sticks with me the most is inside the lower west terrace door, you know, the
lock got breached and, i don't know, maybe 60 or 70 of us just trying to keep them from getting in through the door and it literally and figuratively, it was forever. i mean, it was just push and pull and fighting. i couldn't get that close because at that point, i was tackled. and they stole my helmet. they tried to get my gas mask. it was all these surreal things, like, this cannot be happening. this cannot be happening. this cannot be happening. but it was. i have moments. it comes back in, like, flashes, and it's hard to not have it with you every day. for those of us that work at the capitol still. we're still working at our crime scene. >> at the beginning of the day, it was shock, just seeing just that mass and that wave of
people on the west front. i mean, no matter what you were that day, you were terrified. you were like, how are we going to beat 40,000 people with the manpower we have? and then, as soon as they started breaching the building and you hear over the radio, the 1033, which is our distress code, you know, officer in trouble, officer down, officer needs assistance, officer hurt. you just get angry, and i think if you were fighting that day, i don't think this will ever feel normal. every time i was to walk in here, i think, that's where this happened, and i can't get -- you know, it's hard to get that out of your mind because it was such a traumatic experience for a lot of people. a lot of people are saying that we failed because they got in the building, and i think my biggest thing is, that people take away from it, is that the capitol police and the entities that came in, we didn't fail. we protected every member of congress. not one member of congress was hurt, not a scratch that day. we protected every staffer that was in here, everybody was
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that officer with his knee to mr. floyd's neck was totally devastating for me. and in that moment, that's when i felt us versus them, because george floyd looked like me. >> all right, i want to bring in now lieutenant cheryl e. brown of the st. louis police department. she has been a member of the ethical society of police since 1990. lieutenant, thanks for joining us. really appreciate it. by the way, if you haven't watched that entire thing that i just played a part of, you should watch it. it is so good, the video op-ed from the lieutenant. it is so incredibly good. talk to me first about why the death of george floyd, for you, lieutenant, was such a turning point as you mentioned there. >> well, to just look and see,
in america, in addition to the world, saw what i saw on that day where law enforcement -- we are supposed to be there to help serve and protect. but in this case, we failed to do that. we went too far, and we cost a man his life. and anyone who was watching that, i'm sure, felt the same way that i did, totally devastated by the fact that someone that is in the position to serve and to help and support instead took a life unnecessarily in my opinion. >> you talked about police unions in that piece, and you say police unions are all about loyalty, but they need to start
to defend what's right and not defend loyalty, per se. can you see that change happening, admitting, for instance, that systemic racism does exist and something needs to change? >> yes. if they would do that, they must. and one thing i said in the piece was, they need to follow our lead. these police unions follow us. we, as ethical society of police, we stand in our ethics. we need to be ethical at all times. we stand, we walk, and we speak, and we live it. because that's what the community demands. it demands us, as law enforcement, to stand in our truth, to be right, to be transparent. that's what we need to do. and once we do that, you will
begin to see the divide healed because we are being transparent. we are saying, hey, this is what happened. that's what people want. at the end of the day, they just want us to be truthful and be right. >> when we look at the racial breakdowns of the police force in brooklyn center, minnesota, 87% of its officers are white, but only 38% of that community is white. what about representation? when is that going to change? how does that change? >> well, one of the ways it can change in the recruitment process, in the hiring process. try to -- each agency, rather, should try to make their force look like the community in which it serves. and the one way to do that is recruit. recruit what the demographics of your city looks like.
that will help. if you hire one person of noncolor, hire somebody of color. and meet those demands of what the community look like. that would help, and it will go a long way. >> i got to ask you while i have you. you're a 32-year veteran of the police force. >> yes, ma'am. >> the former officer who shot and killed daunte wright was a 26-year veteran of the police force. and the chief at the time had essentially said, this week, that she mistakenly used her taser versus her gun on daunte wright. what do you make of that, as a 32-year veteran? >> well, i would say that it all comes down to your training. and here, in our agency, our taser is carried on the nondominant gun side.
and with repetition, you should be able to focus on that muscle memory when you're in a situation that demands that you take some type of action. so, with that being said, in training, and if you realize and you know constantly in your training that your taser is on your nongun side and you want to deploy your taser, from muscle memory, from your training, you always go to the nondominant side and pull it. because that is what we do in training. >> and if you're a 26-year veteran, you'd have a lot of practice at that. >> i would imagine that you would. >> lieutenant orange, with the ethical society of police, thank you so much, and thank you for your voice, and again, i urge folks to go watch her video op-ed in "the new york times." it is so, so good. thank you, lieutenant
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