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but, no, i didn't accidentally swear or disclose classified information while talking about konstantin kilimnik tonight. i don't have any classified information. who would trust me with it? all right. that's going to do it for us tonight. good morning, i'm kacie hunt. we start with breaking news. there has been another mass shooting in america. this time in indianapolis. police say at least eight people are dead after a gunman open fired at a fedex facility near the airport. they also say the gunman took his own life. at this point police did not say whether or not the shooter was an employee of the facility, but an investigation is under way.
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>> it's very heartbreaking. the officers responded, came in, did their job. and a lot of them are trying to face a sight no one should ever have to see. >> we're aware of the tragic shooting at our fedex ground facility near the indianapolis, indiana airport. we are cooperating with investigating authorities. we're going to follow this all morning and we'll bring you any new developments as we learn them. let's go now to new polling on gun reform in this county. 54% of americans support stricter gun laws. they found that 42% oppose. but when you dig into specific gun reform policies 89% port background checks.
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79% favor a red flag law. 52 support a nagts wide assault weapon ban. 49% oppose the law that gives gun manufacturers immunity for being sued by gun violence victims and their families. when asked if gun violence was a crisis 45% said it is a crisis. 41% said it's a problem, not a crisis. and 12% said it's not a problem at all. >> we originally wanted to talk about politics with you in the 100 day mark since the siege of the capitol, but once again we're breaking news with another mass shooting in america. one of the last times you were with us, it was the same thing.
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we were covering a different mass shooting in america. i feel like it is so frustrating to have to ask you the same questions over and over again. i don't know what else can to ask, but after so many times it's hard to have hope that anything will change. >> you know there is a lot of discussion going on especially around the red flag laws. i think that is probably, if there is anything that the senate in particular could find a way forward, i think there would be a red flag law. chris murphy, thesenator from connecticut. he has been really working this issue hard. there is a lot of concerns on red flag law. how do you make sure you're not violating due process of a gun owner. if someone is not charged but you're taking weapons from them,
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i think that red flag law is probably within if there is any issue, there can be some progress made, i think that is it. background checks, i just don't see any movement on that. you know, again, unless the senate gets rid of the if you will filibuster i don't think they could do that. the red flag law has progress but it's not there yet. >> let's dig into that red flag idea for just a second for people that don't necessarily understand our shorthand here. there are often warning signs ahead of time before the shooting seen by close family and associates of the person troubled, struggling, or perhaps planning something like this. so how would the red flag law
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help these attacks before they get to the point where the perpetrator is able to commit them. >> it is a family member that sees warning signs, signs of depression, drinking, financial problems. romantic problems, relationship problems. they're the ones aware of this. they often raise this with law enforcement, but law enforcement's hands are tied because someone has not, you know, they're having very troublely behavior but they have not committed a crime. for instance, you know, the shooter in boulder had -- the alleged shooter in boulder, there was talk about a change in their mental state and their family was concerned. often concerned. they see the signs. family and friends that cannot
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do anything. there are 19 states with red flag laws. that is what they're talking about here. so it is hard, you to go to a court, and the person has rights and they're able to present his or her own defense. by there is often people stock spilling guns or ammo, and that is a really troubling sign. >> it sure is. i'm sorry that we're kicking off our show with this topic yet again on a friday. thank you for your insights. let's get to the murder trial of derek chauvin. he did not take the stand yesterday. he used his fifth amendment right and passed on giving his side of the story. >> have you made a decision
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about whether or not you intend to testify or invoke your fifth amendment privilege? >> i will invoke my fifth amendment privilege today. >> with that, the defense rested their case. the judge agreed with the defense that it was too late and they issue third-degree stark warning to the state. >> if he even hint that's there are test results that the jury has not heard about it will be a mistrial pure and simple. this late disclosure is not the way we should be operating here. >> remarkable. closing arguments are set to begin on monday. the former police officer charged with second-degree manslaughter of daunte wright. it took place via video
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conference for roughly five minutes. the only time she spoke was to confirm he is was present. meanwhile the family of dau nte wright called for justice. >> there is never going to be justice for us. justice is not a word for me. i want accountability. 100% accountability. >> my son was loved. we loved him a lot. the way he was killed he did not deserve that. these young black men being killed. can you blame my son or anyone else for being scared of the police? >> justice? what is justice? do we get to see daunte smile? we don't get to see that. you all see the difference. this is a taser.
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this is a taser. but no, my nephew was killed with this. a glock. >> absolutely heartbreaking. meanwhile a chicago police oversight board released body cam footage of a shooting of a 13-year-old boy. the video you're about to see is very disturbing. stop! stop right now! show me your [ bleep ] hands! drop it! drop it! shots fired, shots fired, get an ambulance here now. >> he attempted to give him cpr
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at the scene. he was later pronounced dead. additional video provided by the police department showed that toledo had a gun in his possession at the time of the shooting. it's unclear if he was holding it when he was shot. the officer was put on administrative leave. still ahead here, we're continuing to follow the breaking news out of indianapolis where eight people were killed. also the u.s. just slapped russia with a new round of strict sanctions. a new round of strict sanctions
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everybody wore number 42 to celebrate the date that the brooklyn dodger made his debut and broke the color barrier. the teams that were off were honor him today. let's go to bill for a forecast. >> yeah, just getting to the fridays is difficult and now we're here and we have to get through it. we have 11 state that's have snow. the worst is in the northeast in new england. high elevations are accumul accumulating. connecticut, massachusetts, rhode island. it is ridiculous. we could have power outages through the day. winter storm warnings in the pink. mostly if you're driving in
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higher elevations new hampshire, virginia, massachusetts, as far as the additional snow goes we could see another six to eight inches in the green and whoit. the heavy rain will return to louisiana, mississippi, and everywhere in the red we have river flood warnings going on. we could see water problems, additional floodings, and homes in a few daises there. so as far as the forecast goes today, it is like an early march type weather map. look at denver, 36 with snow today. as far as the weekend goes, strong storms in the southeast. finally on sunday the chill continues. we started with a really warm spring and now it looks like we're going to struggle through
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welcome back to "way too early." we begin with breaking news of yet another mass shooting in america. at least eight people are dead and several more are injured. police also say the suspected gunman took his own life. officers responded to resports of shots fired just after 11:00
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p.m. local time. we will be monitoring this to bring you developments as they happen. turning now to foreign administration. russia has been slapped with sanctions. the state department is going to expel 10 russian diplomats that the administration says are spies. biden warned putin of the sanctions in a phone call and also suggested they meet in a summit. >> if they continue to interferely take further actions to respond. it's my job to do so. my bottom line is this. there is an interest in the united states to work with russia. we should and we will. russia seems to violate the
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united states and we will respond. we will also stand at the defense of country, institution, people, and allies. moscow said "u.s. aggressive behavior will certainly lead to a decisive rebuff. and antony blinken is working to reassure those in afghanistan that they will still have our support even though troops will being withdrawn. but the taliban is denouncing the plan. they say any future consequences will be america's fault. okay, joining us now jane harman of california. a distinguished fellow and
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author of "insanity defense." our inability to confront hard national security problems make us less safe. >> thank you for coming on the show. let's start with afghanistan. one particular piece of this conversation that interested me is the idea that part of why it is important to make this withdrawn now is to make sure that our resources are focused elsewhere, namely on other state threats. what is your take on that analysis and do you think we're doing the right thing here? >> yes and yes. one of the things i say in my book is that after the cold war ended we did not have a strategy for what followed. four administrations did not have a coherent strategy for what followed. now we have one. what is it? to assess what our current and future threats are and marshall
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our resources against them. it's not just our military power. we basically hobbled and later decapitated those that attacked us, but we kept the military option at the top. now we're searching diplomatic options. i think that this is a very good idea. there are no good options in afghanistan, but this is clearly the at least bad option and i applaud president biden and secretary of state blinken for pursuing it. >> let's talk about those differing strategies as we confront russia and china. how effective do you think the sanctions will be and what else might we need to do to push back against russia.
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>> it really doesn't work. nations came around them, but in this case russia is a declining economic power. we're it's resources. oil, is oil the most expensive commodity in the world? not so much. and putin is still doing it. these sanctions as i understand them, and i don't think we know everything and i'm fine with that. i would love for us to do things i don't know about or that you don't know about behind the scenes, but these sanctions are targeted at the instruments that vladimir putin uses to acquire wealth. and the people involved in these things are ones we hit. so his options, his little pots of money, are going to dry up because we did this. we didn't target him directly. but i think joe biden's calculus
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is, best i can tell, to confront and offer a hand to cooperate where we can. i think that is what we will see. i think that's the new strategy. focus on top targets, current and future, not past, and to minimize the use of the wrong resources. like military resources where there is no operational threat to the u.s. but we will make it clear that u.s. diplomacy is available and we will work with allies and alliances to help in places like afghanistan. >> so let's turn to china, then. how, in your view, does the threat coming from china, the china they represent, differ. there is massive differences, but there are many additional challenges around how to use and be prepared to take on a possibility of a hot conflict or
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an escalation of cold conflicts with china? >> russia is a difficult problem just in terms of chaos. china is a real problem and a real opportunity in terms of it's size and it's markets. it has huge markets for u.s. goods and all of our asian allies. so what do we do about china? it seems to me we have to confront china. such as human rights abuses, certainly with hong kong and maybe with taiwan. and in the south china sea there is military aggression. those are bad, and taling our
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welcome back, the inspector general said he was ordered not to use heavy protections during the january 6th insurrection. he says an unnamed deputy assistant police chief made the call to hold back heavier weapons. he also called for a massive overall of the force's training procedures. the inspector general's full investigation is not expected to wrap up for oath few -- another few months. our next guests were there with me covering it all in realtime. >> from the balconies here we can see a similar image to what you're showing on the other half of the screen. thousands of people outside of the building.
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capitol police do a great job but this was a failure. >> we see them with paramilitary gear and carrying restraints. the reality is sinking in that lawmakers lives were very seriously endangered because of a mob incited by the president of the united states. >> i want to say how heartbreaking it is to walk through the capitol this morning and see the remnants of the damage done yesterday. it's a very devastating site. people's officers were ransacked. not just one, but many were ransacked. there are things stolen from people's offices as well. nancy pelosi has a big wood and gold placard that is missing.
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i'm only seeing members of the architect of the capitol. some members of capitol police that are doing the same. there is many questions about capitol police's role and what sort of investigation there will be in the aftermath. but it is a very disheartening and day. >> joining me now are the two reporters you saw just there. leann caldwell and leann. thank you for getting up early to do this. i want to say that we were also surrounded by a terrific team of producers. they have gone through difficult days as well. the crews there inside and outside. garrett let me start with you as we mark 100 days. what are you feeling, frankly, about where we stand.
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are you surprised as how it has been on the front or back burner of our national conversation? and where do go from here? >> there was an ig hearing yesterday and covering that made me relive it. the police were set up to fail. they were not properly trained or equipped. they didn't have the proper intelligence. they didn't stand a chance against 10,000 people showing up at the capitol. so that frustrated me from a coverage and personal perspective. i think the other thing that i have been reflective on a lot in the last 100 days is the feeling of a loss of innocence of the
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capitol. a puncturing of the air. i told my girlfriend and my family doctor and friends on the 6th not to worry about me because i will be in the safest possible place. it changed the whole culture of that community. capitol hill is a community, it's a city unto itself. i think all of us have a new feeling about where we get up and go to work every day that i don't think will ever be the same. >> yeah, i mean i was going back and looking at some of my text messages of the day and i wrote to my husband saying i'm a little nervous. and he said once you get inside you'll be fine. that was always our assumption. certainly the assumption of lawmakers. i know you were there on 9/11 as
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well, but if a foreign power or someone attacked the capitol, but i never imagined it would be attacked by our own countrymen. this also changed relationships among lawmakers and sewn distrust in a way that changes the feeling of the place. >> that's right you brought up 9/11 and the difference nap did bring members of congress together for at least a little while. the difference here is that january 6th was inherently a political event and while in the immediate hours after it seemed like perhaps politics will be put aside, and perhaps bipartisanship, and perhaps the country will come together to collectively heal from the lead up to january 6th, the post election trauma from november, but that was really short lived.
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the politics seeped into the discussion very quickly. democrats and republicans know that continued discussion about january 6th reminds voters and people continued daukts discussion reminds people about the president and his role and they think that puts them at a political disadvantage. and the media sphere is also very important here, when you have conservative media who doesn't discuss this or downplays it. and you have a very large portion of the population who don't even think that it was right-wing militia, extremists, who were involved on january 6th. and what that has done on capitol hill, it has really, you know, disintegrated the relationships. where there is an inability to work across the aisle, because -- not because they can't get along, but because democrats don't trust and do not
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want to work with people who still voted to overturn the election even after this. so it has real impacts on people and legislation down the line. >> and people are refusing to work together, which in the past, maybe there were tensions and people didn't like each other. it's a new level of blanket "no" if you supported this challenge to the election, we're not going to work with you. let's talk for a second how this plays out going forward. the republican party has very obviously retreated back into a trump-focused situation. we saw nikki haley talk about how she'd ask him he was going to run for president again, but we've also seen some signs, we may know in the wake of the insurrection, the gallup polling for example may show that. do you think ultimately the insurrection will have an impact on voters we haven't seen yet?
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>> it might, but it will depend on how it gets recast and when. i saw ron johnson the night of the attack, in the tunnels at 2:00, 3:00 in the morning and i remember asking him, do you take any responsibility for this and he said, no. this is someone who voted to throw out the election results, one of donald trump's biggest defenders. i'm curious if he runs for re-election this year. a case like that, where someone's voting behavior, their actual behavior in the lead up and in the fallout from january 6th would be on the ballot. to me, that's a good test case. >> all right. lee ago caldwell and garrett haake, thank you both for getting up so early to do a little bit of reflecting with us. i really appreciate you both being here. and i wrote an essay about my experiences that day. you can read that right now it's on today.com/news. all right, coming up next. we'll take a look at the axios one big thing. and coming up on "morning joe," the latest in the aftermath of
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welcome back. joining us now with a look at axios a.m., the cofounder of axios, mike allen. what's the one big thing today? >> the axios one big thing is the democrats' preemptive doctrine. we've learned about a call from house democrats where they're trying to preempt what they know is coming from republicans and that is charges of waste, fraud, and abuse about the stimulus package, and the rescue package. but they are very focused on getting ahead of possible charges of fraud from all of this spending. gene sperling, your viewers know well, longtime democratic economic official, is in charge of the implementation of the rescue package. and he told the committee chairs
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on this call that axios learned about, that he wants their help in looking ahead to how this can be safely administered. the justice department is going after people who are trying to do anything to cheat the system. and here's something interesting that's out there, crime syndicates have been using data that can be used online to try to intercept either payments to individuals or payments to businesses, through the payment protection -- the payroll protection program. so, this is all knowing that it would be a fat issue for republicans if it turns out that some of the biden spending turns out to be what mitch mcconnell has said it is, which is he's trying to say that the upcoming package a slush fund. >> and i don't think there's going to be a lot of tolerance for people from this kind of theft. i mean, you're stealing from very -- from struggling
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americans who have had one of the hardest years in a very, very long time. mike, you're also looking at some of the politics in ohio. the race to fill senator rob portman's seat what stands out to you there? >> kasie, this is already one of the most exciting, fascinating races of 2022, right? senator portman's departure was a surprise and kasie, you know the domino effect when any longtime office holder leaves, every politician in that state suddenly thinks that they're going to move up one slot. and the fascinating candidate there is j.d. vance, who we know from hill billy elegy has been working in venture capital with steve case and ron klain, now the white house chief of staff. and kasie, who's two interesting twists on the j.d. advance likely run for rob portman's seat. one is that he's become a big
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voice against big tech. and of course, has rise has been viral and he's done very online. so big tech has actually been an important tool of his. and second, he's trying to be trumpy and trying to attack west coast billionaires. but of course, he's supported by one of those billionaires and got to know them well when he was working in venture capital. this is someone with an authentic american story that broke through with americans in a way that few sort of on the ground books have it was one of the first ways that the people tried to understand the trump phenomenon of the struggling areas that went big pro-trump and in the blind spot of so much of the media. >> axios' mike allen, thank you very much for being up early with us today. we really appreciate it. and we have woken up this morning to yet another mass shooting in america.
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it also happens to be the same day that we are marking 100 days since the siege on the u.s. capitol. we have a lot of work and a lot of healing to do. thank you for getting up way too early with us on this friday morning. don't go anywhere. "morning joe" starts right now. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, april 16th. along with joe, willie and me, we have historian and rogers chair and the american presidency at vanderbilt university, jon meacham, who occasional unofficially advises joe biden and award winning story, historian and writer, keisha n. blaine, an associate professor of history at the university of pittsburgh. there is a lot we are covering this morning. the new round of strict sanctions that the u.s. levied on russia. the comments from the ceo of pfizer that the need for covid booster shots is looking more and more likely. today marks 100

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