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second degree manslaughter. plus, both sides have now rested in the derek chauvin trial. and closing arguments are expected to begin monday. chauvin himself speaking out in court earlier today. declining his right to testify in his own trial. >> have you made a decision today whether you intend to testify or whether you intend to invoke your fifth amendment privilege? >> i will invoke my fifth amendment privilege today. >> and breaking news on the coronavirus vaccine. the ceo of pfizer says a third dose is likely needed within the first 12 months. we'll discuss whether the u.s. is ready to meet the supply/demand with congressman james chi chiburn. and the president is going to speak about his new sanctions
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with russia. and i will speak about president biden's mon you mnl decisions to withdrawal troops. wee begin with minnesota with two breaking stories. nbc correspondent morgan chesky is following the wright story. and morgan, i'll begin with you, what just happened in court on that front. >> eamon, good afternoon, a hearing took place with kim potter. it was a short hearing, she appeared briefly via zoom. it was virtual because of the pandemic. and she heard that the charges she knew were made official yesterday, that is manslaughter and the second degree charge that carries with it a maximum of ten years in prison here in the state of minnesota. we've also been learning a little bit more about potter. he has been part of the brooklyn
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center police department since hired on as a rookie at the age of 22. since then, she's risen up in the department to reach a point, ayman, where she actually was teaching other officers in the field. that is actually what was taking place at least partly on sunday when she was part of a group of officers that made that traffic stop not too far away from where i'm standing where they pulled over daunte wright. and then saying taser, taser, taser, before pulling that trigger one time and firing that fatal shot that killed him soon after. we have had a chance to hear from the attorney representing wright. benjamin crump who says that the charge of second degree manslaughter is not enough. the family believing that this was clearly an intentional act and should be treated as such. as far as how the situation is playing out outside of the police station. we've had four straight nights of protests. last night about 22 people were
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arrested when that 10:00 p.m. curfew went in effect. and state police and national guard converged on the scene very quickly. we do anticipate another demonstration tonight. and we do know that they're actually reinforcing the perimeter around the police station as we speak, putting up concrete barriers, rising higher fences all in anticipation of what could be to come when the sun goes down tonight. ayman. >> morgan, stay with me, shaq, the prosecution today brought back one of its medical experts to rebut several defense points. including testimony that carbon monoxide poisoning could have played a role in george floyd's death. walk us through the drama today in that trial. >> reporter: yeah, that testimony is what we heard yesterday from dr. fowler, one of the defense witnesses who came up and testified that one of the reasons why george floyd died, or he speculated, i should say, one of the reasons for george floyd's dental is that he
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was being pinned down by the exhaust of that police vehicle. and you heard the prosecution bring back dr. tobin, someone who was a credible witness who played well and really connected with the jury during his original round of testimony last week. and counter that point you that heard from the defense. now, there were a lot of headlines. the first is derek chauvin coming up this morning and saying that he was going to use his fifth amendment protection and he was not going to take the stand in the trial against him. my colleague gabe gutierrez actually saw the family walking out of the courthouse after court broke this afternoon and asked rodney floyd, the brother of george floyd, how he felt of derek chauvin's decision not to take the stand. listen what he told us. >> i've been debating before the trial started. would this guile testify, what would he say and how would he say it. i was hoping to see him get on the stand, but he didn't do it. >> reporter: you wanted to see
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him testify? >> yeah, i wanted to see him accept some accountability. >> reporter: now, and court is out of session tomorrow, but attorneys are going to work through the weekend to craft those jury instructions. we know on monday will be the closing arguments. we expect them to be relatively short. we remember the opening statements were about an hour for the prosecution. about 30 minutes for the defense. and once those closing arguments are delivered then this case will be in the hands of the jury. and the judge told the jury to show up to court on monday with a bag ready to go. they said it could be as long as or as short as an hour long but it could go on as long as a week. ayman. >> all right, morgan chesky, shaquille brewster, thank you for both starting us off. joining us now is mary moriarty prosecutor where the trial is taking place. and sonya cruet, she's also the founder of the black police experience and a member of the
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law enforcement action partnership. great to have both of you with us. mary, i'll begin with you, let's talk about the charges against the former officer there kim potter. what are the next steps in the process after her hearing today? >> she made her first appearance which is really brief. it's just an appearance in front of the judge who will probably keep the case. she's asked if she understands what she's charged with. they talk about bail, any conditions. and that's pretty much it. that's normal for first appearances in minnesota. her next appearance will be what's called a pretrial or probable cause/pretrial. that's an opportunity for parties to sit down and talk about the case. although i'm sure there will be conversations before then. if they do not settle the case at pretrial, they can continue the pretrial or set it for a jury trial. >> we have seen an incredible transformation, kim potter went
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from a training officer overseeing an arrest to second degree manslaughter arrest discharging her gun while calling out taser. are the charges appropriate and how does this police department regain its credibility within the community? >> well, i think that the charges are appropriate under the circumstances. you know, you want to charge this officer with the charge that you know you that can make. and perhaps there is room, after an investigation for adding more charges. you know, that's possible. but you have to prove intent. and i think that's going to be incredibly difficult. now, with that being said, myself and a whole lot of other people out here in the world are wondering how did she draw her gun instead of her taser. and that say huge amount of negligence. if nothing else, which actually speaks to the charge that she has right now. because they're going to have to prove that she was somehow negligent, which obviously she
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was. but i want to make this other point. i want to know why she lost her head like that. this was a traffic stop about some minor charges. you have several officers on the scene. what was all of the escalation and panic about? and if you cannot keep your head after 20 plus years as a law enforcement officer and being a training officer, then i have to question it, i do have to question, why did you pull your gun? >> absolutely valid question there. mary, was it smart today if we switch gears for a moment -- was it smart today for derek chauvin not to testify in his own trial? >> yes, i think it was. as a defense lawyer, you talk to your client about whether they should testify or not. it is their decision. but you talk to them about what they might able to add to the case. and in this particular situation, he would have been
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subject to cross-examination. we've seen that the state is very effective at cross-examination. they would have been asking him about the training he's received. what he's together during that 9 1/2 minutes. and what you talk to your client about is can they bring something in temples of humanizing himself to the jury. what we've seen of him so far, actually today is the first time when we saw him smile when there was a back and forth about how many times he and his lawyer have talked about this. all of us have that image of his face in the video seared in our heads. he's been sitting in court through emotional testimony. he hasn't had a reaction. we heard his voice after charles mcmillian confronted him. it was very cold. if he can't summon emotion, some kind of remorse, if he got up and testified then there was really nothing to add there. i think it was a good decision to not testify. this way, the defense will be attacking whether the state has
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proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt. >> mary, what did you make about a little bit of drama that unfolded today by the attempt by the prosecution to want to perhaps bring in other evidence about carbon monoxide and the test results from the coroner's office. and the fact that they got the last word in with the rebuttal before the closing arguments. how did you see that play out today? >> yeah, i think that was a really good way to end for the state. dr. tobin was one of the best expert witnesses i have ever seen. they were able to call him back to the stand and rebut to say that this had nothing to do with carbon monoxide poisoning. the drama would be if he were able to talk about a particular test for carbon monoxide poisoning that has been discovered. the judge was very clear that would not come in and the judge was very strict. tobin needed to stick within
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those parameters or he would order a mistrial. and he was able to do that. >> captain pruett, with so many law enforcement officials testifying against chauvin could the trial have long-reaching consequences for policing as a whole? this is a situation that comes up time and time again. certainly, we've seen it with the similarity with daunte wright with other officers on the scene. how do you see this going forward when there are multiple police officers but one involved in an alleged crime? >> i'm hoping this will set some precedent, honestly. i don't know if it will, but i'm hopeful. because we've been dealing with the same issues especially surrounding the intersection of policing and race for such a long period of time. and we've had periods in police history where race and policing intersected in such way that caused us to take a look at how police are doing things. such as with rodney king.
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and we had to look at use of force with the death of michael brown. and the use of body-worn cameras at that time. and then here we are again with the murder of george floyd and we're having to take a look at the use of force across police departments. we're looking at systemic racism. and we're looking at, you know, how police are looking at certain members of the community because now we can stop saying, i don't see that. you see it every time you see a police video. a body cam video or you see someone's cell phone camera video where 84 unarmed black person or a black person doing nothing going about the business of living or dying at the hands or thousands at the knees of police we can stop saying we don't see it. the question becomes who is going to be courageous enough in leadership and in politics to do something about it. >> all right, captain sonya pruett and mary moriarty, thank
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you for your insights today. now to breaking news in washington. in the next hour, president 00 biden will deliver sanctions and carrying out a major cyber attack. now, the order black lists six russian technology companies and formally blamed russia for the hack and also sanctioning 32 people and entities over election interference, along with eight others involved in russian actions in crimea. the u.s. is also expelling ten russian embassy employees. joining us now, richard huff, and author of "the world" which comes out on paperback on may 11th. richard, great to have you with us. let's talk about the impact for a moment, impact of the sanctions. are they actually going to have impact on russia and what else should the biden administration
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be looking at as a response to russia's alleged interference and hacking campaigns. >> the best way to answer your question, ayman, if the russians do, that was the price they were going to pay before they did everything they did. would it have deterred them? no. their gain of what they did more than offsets this kind of penalty. probably the most significant penalty is to bar u.s. financial institutions from purchasing russia and so forth that will slightly raise russia from borrowing costs. and even though how small the debt load is. what we really need to do is make it much tougher for russia to influence to get inside our cybersystems. to manipulate our social media. we may need to also think about fighting fire with fire. what can we do to get inside their system. what can we do to influence their social media.
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but this sort of response, in and of itself is not going to change russian view. >> i think you've seen and heard russia is vowing to retaliate for the sanctions. let's talk about what we could expect from moscow. could we potentially see an emboldened russia to take from crimea, there is growing interest in ukraine and could this be the russians lashing out at what america does? >> in terms of russia, for the russians keeping out certain u.s. diplomats. that will be the tit for tat. the buildup against ukraine, it's interesting. i think it's widely separate. why putin is doing this whether it's just a threat or whether he's going to follow through. i don't dismiss it. anytime you build up this degree of troops it seems odd to walk
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it back. i take this seriously, it's one of the things that i'm glad we're doing stuff like reinforcing nato. i think that's an important step on sour part. >> this comes as you are very well aware, and i'm going to talk about this in a moment with the afghanistan ambassador, the biden administration announcing that all u.s. troops will leave afghanistan by september. william burns had this to say about the potential impact about the pulling out during a senate hearing. watch. >> our ability to keep that threat until afghanistan in check from either al qaeda or isis or afghanistan has benefited greatly from the presence of u.s. and coalition militaries on the ground and in the air, fueled by intelligence, provided by the cia and our other intelligence partners. when the time comes for the u.s. military to withdraw, the u.s. government's ability to collect and act on threats will diminish.
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>> a pretty surprising remark there. i don't think it was something that a lot of people didn't know but to hear that assessment from the cia director, i'm curious, your thoughts. what do you make of his comments? and what could that diminished capability mean for efforts to deal with a growing threat coming from that part of the world? >> let's just say first off, it's a real pleasure to see the ahead of the cia, any intelligence official, just speak truth to power. it's been a while since we've seen it. my hunch is bill burns comments were not wildly well received at the white house because, yes, we will pay a price. pull out thousands of u.s. forces and not diminish our ability to collect intelligence and not diminish our ability to act on intelligence. it makes more likely the re-emergence of afghanistan as a place where terrorists operate out of. i think that's the bake truth of the situation. it's part of the cost that president biden seems to be
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willing to accept on behalf of what he sees, obviously, i don't agree with him, as the larger benefit of the united states carrying out a military withdrawal from afghanistan. >> we're certainly going to ask the afghan ambassador in just a moment. richard haass, thank you so much for your insights and analysis. as i announced i'll be speaking to the ambassador, for the withdrawal by september 11 of this year. but first, minutes ago, the capitol police inspector general finished testifying about the security report on the failure to heed security warnings leading up to the january 6th riots. we're live from the hill after the break. you're watching "msnbc reports." just order in the app! ditch the burgers! choose better, be better. subway®. eat fresh.
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♪♪ today slain capitol police officer william billy evans was laid to rest in massachusetts in a private ceremony. evans died in the line of duty earlier this month after a man rammed a car into a barricade outside the u.s. capitol. the body was flown to new england and driven to his hometown of north adams. mourners lined a procession route to pay tribute. on tuesday, evans lay in honor at the rotunda.
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president biden said evans was, quote, defined by his decency, his loyalty and his courage. he's survived by his two children, his their mother and his mother janice. in an internal report that was obtained by nbc news, bolton detailed how capitol police ignored intelligence and in fact overlooked a warning that congress itself is the target. and he gave 26 recommendations, watch. >> we are providing any corresponding recommendations to compel the department to move towards a protective agency as opposed to a traditional law enforcement agency. >> joining me now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent leann caldwell, leann, good to have you with us. obviously, this is not something
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going away for a long time. what did we learn in terms of procedural failures at today's hearing? >> reporter: as you mentioned capitol police overturned and put them in a posture january 6th that left them inadequately prepared for the intentions of the protesters who did breach the capitol. there were also questions about why more use of equipment was not used. let's listen to a question by the chair of the committee chair. >> among the findings in the record is that officers were directed by the capitol police leadership not to use all available equipment. >> it would be very difficult to say it would have absolutely turned the tide, but it certainly would have given them a better chance. >> reporter: the i.g. michael bolton also said it's not just
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the accessibility of the equipment, but those police officers, they need the training to be able to properly use the equipment. he also said that the intelligence gathering of the capitol police is increasingly important and it needs to be streamlined and they need to be better equipped to read that intelligence. and ayman, there was one more interesting thing. there were more than 30 capitol police officers who being investigated right now for, perhaps, aiding or having sympathy for the rioters. well well, bolten said he has found no connection between the rioters and the police. ayman. house and senate democrats introduce a bill to add four justices to the supreme court giving their party the majority but speaker pelosi doesn't support it. we are live at the white house
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♪♪ you're looking at a live picture from the white house where vice president kamala harris is about to speak about what the white house calls a historic investment in child care, part of the covid relief package. and in less than an hour
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president biden will speak about the interference and a massive cyber attack. this comes after president trump confronted three conservative judges swinging it to the right. today, congressional democrats introduced a bill to add four seats to the highest court days after the president named a commission to study the court structure. massachusetts senator edward markey talked about the difference between those efforts. >> president biden is operating on a separate track. we await his commission. but we don't wait for the introduction of the solution. that is what we are doing here today. >> joining us now, nbc news correspondent monica alba covering the white house. and denish. and nancy pelosi said she has no
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plans to bring it to the floor. how is the white house likely to respond to this? >> well, one, you noted there about speaker pelosi is key here, her saying she's not going to put it in the house. therefore, this particular bill is not going to become law. what this means for the white house overall is this is a conversation that democrats want to have. it's been commissioned ted white house to possibly expanding the size but there is real worry here especially for democrats coming toward 2022. this could be a real republican talking point. in some ways it already is, but if republican seize on this issue along with immigration and seize on the idea that democrats are trying to change institutions in order to have justice be in their political favor this could be a complicated factor for the white house. that is why the white house has not thrown any support behind
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expanding the court. while it's a conversation some the base are having i think it's a little early to say whether or not there is a plan going forward in the supreme court to at all change. >> monica, let's look ahead to the next hour or so. what are we expecting to hear from the president when he talks about russia in about an hour from now? >> this is a lit addition to the schedule, ayman. and the president is expected to detail some of the rationale and thinking behind the sanctions that were announced by the treasury department and the biden administration. this is something, of course, as the u.s. is navigating diplomacy with russia while also slapping them with these stiff sanctions they're trying to discuss a path forward. this is something that white house press secretary jen psaki is trying to say. they want to be a safe, stable and predictable one. we know that the presidents
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spoke on the phone where the u.s. president gave a heads-up on the sanctions that were coming and where they also discussed the potential for a summit in a third neutral location. it's unclear the time frame, perhaps it could be in the summer in europe. but it's also something to see if the president has any update on. we know that russia has said they're going to respond decisively to the new sanctions so it's unclear whether president putin will reject it entirely. our league peter alexander helped explain with the sanctions we've seen in the past in the year why should this be different this time, for what reason. and jen psaki said this is not meant to escalate matters further. but at the same time, what russia did when it comes to the solarwinds and the interaction, those are actions deemed unnecessary and necessitated this response so expect the
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president to touch on all of that in his remarks in the east room in just a little bit here, ayman. >> a short time ago, the president met with leaders of the congressional asian pacific caucus, and how there's a lack of asian americans serving in top roles. what are the americans looking for from the administration? >> based on our reporting, the lawmakers here are really looking for a commitment to have focus, to hear out the members of the aaip high community. they're, of course, are these ongoing hate crimes that are going on in the asian american community. but apart from there's real equity gaps. there's real economical gaps there that community. these leaders are coming here talking to the president wanting to make sure there's a top priority for him. and also there's someone in the room who has facetime with the president who can talk to him as a liaison and as a policymaker
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in the asian american community. we saw the white house announce there's going to be a new liaison for the aaip community but that is lawmakers putting pressure on him to say you need to do something and you need to have someone appointed to take on these issues. so, what we see here is the white house responding to that pressure. and this meeting is a result of that pressure. that i think is going to be an ongoing conversation about the aaip community because we are seeing so many horrific racist attacks on hem in the middle of this pandemic. >> thank you to the both of you for joining us this hour. after the break, i'll be joined by afghanistan's ambassador to the united states. her reaction to president biden's plan to withdraw all u.s. troops to afghanistan over the next five months and in his words end the forever war.
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today, secretary of state antony blinken made a surprise visit to afghanistan where he met with president following president biden's announcement missing the deadline that the trump association negotiated with the taliban. the u.s. nato allies will begin to pull out meaning a widespread simultaneous withdrawal of foreign forces. this has raised concern in kabul with the speaker of the parliament saying the vacuum to lead to civil war and or make the country a hot spot for terrorists but the secretary said the country is beyond fighting and ready for diplomacy. >> i don't think that it is in anyone's interest, to say the least, for afghanistan to
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descend into a civil war, into a long war. and even the taliban, as we hear it, has said it has no interest in that. this is a very different country than it was 20 years ago. >> joining me now is afghanistan's ambassador to the united states. ambassador, thank you so much for your time. the united states remaining in germany and korea for decades is this what your country expected to see from the united states? >> well, we expected, and we continue to expect that the long-term protection, because unfortunately, afghanistan has been at the forefront of the fight against global terrorism, as we're grateful for the united states contribution for the past 20 years helping us fight this phenomena in our country, we
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continue to expect to see that partnership going on. >> are you at all confident that the u.s. is going to move the goalpost once again? i mean, america's withdrawal deadline keeps moving. what's to say that this time is really it? is there anything that could derail the process for you? >> well, that decision really solely lies with the united states. we respect the decision that the united states government takes. but we will continue to remain to be a partner, especially in the fight against terrorism. and i really hope that we will not fall into a civil war. and a situation that we would need to continue this for. our hope is to fight a
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supplement, an end to this conflict. >> do you feel, does the afghan government feel that the united states is abandoning afghanistan without a secure peace agreement between the taliban and afghan government that prevents a civil war from happening? >> there is two points. number one, as you heard, both from president biden and secretary blinken as with second austin, they have reiterated their commitment to support afghanistan forces, afghanistan economy, as well as humanitarian assistance which would be very, very important and essential and important moving forward. as well as putting their diplomatic force to hopefully getting the region to deny hopefully sanctuaries to the taliban, which would be the real
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solution to this war. that so would be the second aspect. that if the taiban are willing to peace -- willing to find a solution to this conflict, they are committed to a peaceful afghanistan. this is the time to come and talk to the afghan government, to come to the negotiation table and put an end to this conflict, but the diplomatic force and the region support is absolutely critical to making that happen. >> do you believe that the afghan government, today, with the resources it has today, can defend the territory of afghanistan from the taliban? can protect the gains that have been made for ordinary afghans, including women from the taliban, as it stands today? >> as it stands today, the majority of operation against the ongoing conflict are being
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conducted by our security forces. since six years ago, when the transition of command and fight against terrorism was transferred from the former i.c.e. to the afghan forces, since then the afghan forces have been in charge of carrying this fight. of course, the support we've received from the united states and nato allies have been absolutely critical to that. we have been at the forefront the last six years, it's unfortunately, though, as we're speaking the violence is still ongoing in afghanistan and civilians are really bearing the brunt of this fight and violence. >> you are the first woman to serve as afghanistan's ambassador to the united states. many afghan women, especially
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young girls who grew up post-taliban rule are now facing the concern and the possibility of a drastically different reality come post september 11. how positive are you in the future, you can guarantee women that they will not going to a pre-taliban rule? >> well, i share their concern. i share their worry. i'm a mother of a young daughter. and my biggest hope and desire is that my daughter would be able to grow in an afghanistan where she could live like citizen where she could be able to enjoy her rights and dignities as a citizen of afghanistan. however, i said, i do share their concern. i'm worried because we have not seen much change in the way that
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the taliban have been treating women, especially in areas of their control. so, my primary concern is the future of the situation. because the violence, conflict and its continuation impacts women even in more ways than it does all -- the rest of our citizens. so, women rights, in fact, is a national security issue. an economic issue. as well as a development and humanitarian and a moral issue. so, as i said, the concern is very real. we are worried with the continuation of conflict women will suffer, with the lack of process that women would suffer and should there be any setbacks in the gains that women would suffer. however, i would also want to say that the people of
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afghanistan, and particularly the very brave and courageous women of afghanistan are determined to preserve the gains they have had and move forward. >> all right, ambassador rahmani, thank you for your time. we look forward to having this conversation over the next several months as well. >> thank you for having me. today, the nation's top health officials testified before congress as the johnson & johnson covid vaccine pause is extended another week, feeding into vaccine hesitancy. plus, breaking news, the just released body cam video of a fatal police shooting of a 13-year-old boy in chicago. we're going to bring you all of the details after the break. you're watching msnbc. but they can't be held back. they want to be set free.
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third dose of its covid vaccine will likely be needed with 12 months of getting fully vaccinated. he also says it is possible people will need to get vaccinated annually. now it comes as the cdc announced that of the more than 76 million people who are now fully vaccinated against covid, only about 5800 people have been infected after being fully vaccinated. and earlier today, the nation's leading health experts testified before the house select subcommittee on the coronavirus crisis. joining me now is the chairman of that committee, democratic house majority whip jim clyburn of south carolina. congressman clyburn, great to have you with us back on the program. thank you, sir, for your time. if pfizer's ceo is right about a third dose, the united states prepared to meet the increased demand? >> well, thank you very much for having me. have i absolutely no idea what the answer to that question is. i do know this.
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the president has said within three or four days now, everybody may -- every adult can get vaccinated. and we are assured that there will be enough vaccines for everybody to get there. so if that's the case, it would seem to me that between pfizer and moderna and i think johnson & johnson when all is said and done, i think we'll be able to have the vaccines that are necessary to even get a third one. and as soon as my year is up from next january, if that's what's required, i'm going to get it. >> sir, i appreciate your candidness about that. during today's hearing, as you probably heard, dr. david kessler stressed the need to confront vaccine hesitancy across the country. certainly in some parts of rural america. recent polling shows the numbers have actually improved in the black community, but there are
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still big problems among republican men. do you think your gop colleagues are doing enough to promote the vaccine? >> well, i would think that science ought to dictate what we do. and those of us who find ourselves in leadership positions here in the congress, as i emphasized over and over today, we ought to be getting vaccinated. we want to return to normal, so to speak. so if you want to be normal, then let's do the normal thing that human beings do, and is we listen to the scientists we follow their advice. that's how we got rid of polio. that's how they got shingles under control, and that's how we get covid under control. i took the vaccine when i was a child. i remember polio visited twice. and we virtually eliminated polio with the vaccine thanks to
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two scientists, jonas salk and albert sabine. we ought to listen to the scientists we have today. they will help us get to wherever we need to be as it relates to covid. >> allow me, sir, to change topics for a moment. earlier today, a few leading congressional democrats introduced legislation to expand the size of the supreme court from 9 to 13 justices. speaker pelosi saying she will not bring the bill to the house floor and instead supports president biden's commission to study the issue. this was one of the key issues that a lot of people said galvanized democrats to go to the polls in 2020. do you support the measure? do you believe it should get a vote and be brought to the floor? >> i am going to be guided by the speaker of this, because i am a supporter of president biden's commission to study this. there is no need to rush into
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this. let's let the commission go out. look at what their recommendations might be, and then develop legislation. no, i'm not going to be supportive of that legislation at this time. >> well, let's talk about the other big story today, and that is the derek chauvin trial. nearly one year after george floyd's killing, do you believe we have made progress for racial justice in this country? >> yes, we have, no question about that. all you got to do is look at the makeup of boardrooms around the country, makeup of the legislatures around the country, look at the congress. yes, we've made some significant progress, but we've got a long, long ways to go. and in one of those areas that we have not done well, it has been in law enforcement. and it's time for us to take a hard look at how we conduct
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ourselves as it relates to law enforcement. for instance, qualified immunity is not qualified immunity. and it's become absolute immunity. and for us to say that we will have rules and regulations that will govern lawyers and doctors and hold them accountable when we cannot have rules and regulations to hold police officers accountable, that just doesn't make sense. i tell people all the time, my father was a minister. and one of the first things i remember about his presidencyis defrocking the minister. we have bad ministers. we also have bad police officers. and so for us to have police officers insulated where they do bad things doesn't make a whole lot of sense. >> all right, congressman jim
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clyburn, sir, thank you as always. i appreciate your time and your insights. >> thank you very much for having me. breaking news. chicago's mayor is calling for calm after the release of video in the police shooting of 13-year-old adam toledo. the 7th grader was killed march 29th. prosecutors say officers were responding to a report of shots fired, and toledo fled. the officer who chased toledo said the teen had a gun, refused to put it down, and was shot in the chest when he turned towards the officer. a weapon was recovered at the scene. the officer has not been identified or charged and is on administrative leave. joining me now, nbc news correspondent antonia hylton with more on this. antonia, good to have you with us. what's the latest there? >> hi, ayman. it's great to see you. this video, it just released here from the civilian office of police accountability here in chicago. and earlier today, mayor lightfoot described it as excruciating, and that's exactly
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what it is. what you see is this incident transpire in frankly under a matter of 20 seconds. what you see in the video from the shooting officer's perspective is the officers step out of a car, sprint down an alleyway approaching toledo, and shouting a couple of commands at him including for him to put his hands up. but what you see from the perspective on this video is toledo starting to slow down and turn toward the officer. he does put his hands up. but again, in under 20 seconds, you see this 13-year-old seventh grader shot and fall to the ground. most of the video, frankly, is officers trying to save adam toledo's life. the shooting happened so quickly, it's hard, frankly, to see what actually -- adam may have had in his hands, if he responded to the officer at all. you can't hear much from him. and what people wondered what they might see if it was clear he had a gun on him it was clear he might have been planning to use it.
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from the perspective that i saw on the video just released, that is not clear. you see the voice slow down, the officer approach and the shooting happen in a matter of seconds. the rest of the video is a 13-year-old lying on the ground and nonresponsive as officers try to resuscitate him. it is unbelievably difficult and heartbreaking to watch. and protests are expected to start now in just a matter of a couple of hours, ayman. >> all right, antonia hylton, stay safe out there. we'll continue to follow all the developments around this story. that does it for me. i'll see you right back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. the biden administration today going farther than anyone else has gone in four years, essentially accusing the trump campaign of colluding with russia. the announcement made by the u.s. treasury department in a series of sweeping sanction

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